Not that I completely disagree, but how does that divert these suicidal freaks who are aimless and non-prejudiced in who they take out? It seems to me that the ultimate goal is suicide but in an utterly chaotic fashion that takes out as many others as possible in the process.
I don't know the answer. I do understand the argument that a person willing to pull out a gun might be less willing if he knows others are carrying as well, but in this case that doesn't seem like it would be much of a deterrent. It's like the Americanized version of the suicide bomber.
What about students and visitors with concealed carry permits? Let them carry on campus, as they do elsewhere, and the odds against would-be spree-killers increases a lot more.
I wish you would consider amending this to include students over 21 who have a vaild handgun permit. There are many permit holders enrolled at Tennessee Colleges and Universities.
How do you know students aren't allowed to carry firearms on the N. Illinois campus? Even assuming that your questionable assumption that if they were allowed to carry them that a) they would and b) that this would have prevented this giy from shooting people?
Why is House Bill 3014 limited to full time faculty and staff? Aren't students and visitors also at risk?
'How do you know students aren't allowed to carry firearms on the N. Illinois campus?'
Concealed carry is illegal in Illinois. The Rep knows that because he can read.
This bill is a good first step to eliminate criminal safe zones. It should include all HCP.
Will it ensure that no one is ever shot on a campus? No, but as it is now the killers know that there will not be any armed resistance from the potential victims.
Again, I understand the reasoning. But it seems that even if that room had been littered with cops, a guy entering from behind the teacher and immediately opening fire would have easily succeeded in taking out several people before somebody could have taken him down. And somebody retaliating with fire would have the difficult job of taking cover and engaging this guy while avoiding bystanders. Either way, a lone suicidal nut has the advantage in that he's self-destructive so it's tough to see him being deterred by the possibility of returning fire.
Maybe it's just one of those things that can't be prevented. I don't know. I wish I did.
This is a great start. Maybe next year you could introduce a bill that would allow all HCP holders to carry on campus. That would be ideal. But again, this is a very good start. I will call my representative and encourage their support. Full disclosure: I am a student at a TN university.
One possible drawback might be that at many universities, the anti-gun sentiment might be so high among staff that the law would have little positive end result. As someone noted previously, why not allow any student over 21 with a valid carry permit to pack heat?
Certainly, a guy who surprises the crowd with a semi-automatic can get off several rounds before he can be stopped, but which is better--allow a few people to be hit or let some nut shoot and kill until he runs out of ammo? I think the answer to that is evident.
Again, why do these idiots not attack a police station?
They don't attack police stations for the same reason they don't attack where handgun carry is legal. They don't want to get taken out before they achieve their goal (shoot as many as needed to sate their desire to inflict harm). I'm not psychic, but I bet if shooter were taken down early in the course of some of these mass shootings, the number would decline.
Let's simply put guns everywhere with a childproof trigger...leave them on street corners, put them in parks, football stadiums, etc. These should preferably be fully-automatic then let everyone have a gun without a permit. Simply because other countries do the opposite and have far fewer deaths by guns is meaningless. I'm tired of these mamby-pamby crybabies. You go rep!
And yet, it's where guns are "against the rules" that the killings are taking place. I hope you don't have to hear "well, the police can't be everywhere all the time" as an excuse for your victimization one day.
JJ, look into SSRI medications. They are prominent in a vast majority of these mass school shootings. It's what Teenscreen/Columbia Univ/Big Pharma are doping K-12 students with in the name of suicide prevention.
Stopping the SSRI's will hedge a lot of these incidents.
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