We have the president of the country (Zelaya) in the Brazilian embassy surrounded by tanks and army sent by the fascist junta. (BW)
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The elected Honduran President (Manuel Zelaya) was forced out by a military Junta?
That’s not at all true.
What actually happened is that, “He...was bundled out of the country on June 28 by the Honduran military, acting under the instructions of the supreme court and legislature, for his efforts to seek an unconstitutional second term.
“Since then, negotiations backed by the United States and led by Costa Rica's president, Oscar Arias, have sought resolution between the de facto and the deposed governments. Those have stalled...”
Christian Science Monitor: http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/09...09s02-
coop.html
And here I thought you had respect for the “rule of law” and upholding a nation’s Constitution.
Was I wrong in assuming that?
Because that appears to be exactly what the Honduran Supreme Court and its legislature (their Congress) both did.
I have some interest in this crisis because Manuel Zelaya is a kindred spirit of a very real “fascist,” Hugo Chavez, the tyrannical despot of Venezuela, who claims he wants to re-install Zelaya as “President for Life” in Honduras.
Zelaya was ousted by his country’s own Supreme Court, together with its Legislature (Congress) because he violated the Honduran Constitution in seeking another term.
This is far from a cut and dried issue.
JMK,
I should not have expected better from you. You seem to love fascist regimes and hate democracy. After all you also thought that Allende was appropriately deposed by the monsterous Pinochet.
Zelaya is democratically elected and all he wanted was to have a referendum to change the idiotic rule that Honduras has in their constitution.
Constitutions are made to change as things evolve. Otherwise, we would still live in the ancient times.
Actually what I support is "the rule of law."
I support the CONSTITUIONAL Republic, and I OPPOSE any kind of pure democracy....every attempt at pure democracy ALWAYS devolves into the worst kinds of tyranny. The only people I've ever me who laud pure democracy, have been either woefully politically naive or malignantly evil....usually the latter.
Honduras' Supreme Court and their Legislature (their Congress) removed Zelaya from power for VIOLATING that nation's Constitution.
That's an extreme measure, but I'm confident our Congress and Supreme Court would support the same thing IF any sitting President sought to openly violate our Constitution.
As I noted, it's a complex situation, and the Judicial (the Supreme Court) and the Legislative Branches DID take an extreme measure, but a sitting President chose to violate the Constitution of that nation.
Zelaya's connection to Hugo Chavez a vile tyrant is also troubling to say the least.
The fact that you have no problem with a politician violating his basic oath of office and that nation's LAWS (its Constitution) is also very troubling.....no wonder you defended Chavez for as long as you did!
JMK,
You are a Bush and Cheney apologist and a supporter of people like Pinochet and Mussolini. You should be the last to criticize others.
Actually I'm NONE of those things.
I support the same economic model that Milton Friedman, Friedrich Hayek, Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin all did.
Sukarno and Pinochet took Professor Friedman's economic advice, much to the benefit of those economies, while the former USSR did not......at least not until AFTER it became the "former-Soviet Union. Now Russia has a flat tax and has enjoyed more prosperity and growth since the fall of the USSR than it did over the entire 70+ years of existence in socialist slavery.
G W Bush, very much like Barack Obama, was a mixed bag.
The across-the-board income tax rate cuts drastically INCREASED federal revenues and cut the deficit in half by 2006. Their engaging in the global war against jihadist Islam was also right, just and necessary.
Their reckless social spending (Bush spent MORE, even adjusted for inflation on social spending than even LBJ did) and Keynesian (big government) policies were horrific.
Obama is the same, a very mixed bag.
He did GREAT in maintaining the NSA Surveillance program and going to court twice to keep it secret. He's done well in ratcheting UP Afghanistan and all the while maintaining our troop levels in Iraq. He also INCREASED the use of rendition (sending terror suspects to foreign locales for more intensive interrogations. Obama's done very well in adhering to the Bush doctrine in the war on terror.
He has been very poor economically, by following up Bush's Keynesian overspending with even MORE reckless overspending - quadrupling the DEFICIT in just 8 short months, although that's to be expected when you follow up a Keynesian disaster with....even MORE Keynesianism. President Obama’s backing away from preventing nuclear proliferation among rogue states with, "No nation should be able to tell another nation whether it should have nuclear weapons or not."
On another positive front, the healthcare overhaul that Obama supports is one that would CUT COSTS by offering an "expanded public option" and then strictly rationing and tightly restricting care on the "free public options." He obviously recognizes that America's healthcare costs have gone out of control because we simply give too much free advanced care away. His statement, "...it's saying that no one's going to carry your burdens for you any more..." last Sunday, was positively Reaganesque!
I correctly question the all too real link between Zelaya and Chavez and THAT'S your response? Your response (NONE) to my proving that Karl Marx was a vile racial bigot, was better than that.
ADDENDUM: "President Obama’s backing away from preventing nuclear proliferation among rogue states with, "No nation should be able to tell another nation whether it should have nuclear weapons or not," at the UN has been roundly criticized by both Conservatives and liberals, like Michael Goodwin, among others. On the other hand, I'm sure A Q Khan was happy to hear those words.
A little post-script on all this.
“Sometimes I ask myself if Hitler wasn’t right to finish with that race, through the famous holocaust, because if there are people who are harmful to this country, they are the Jews, the Isaelites.” (David Romero Ellner, Executive Director of Radio Globo, Honduras Sept 25, 2009)
Those were the words of one of Honduras' leading Zelaya supporters, who began his political career as a radical activist and one of the founders of the far-Left People’s Revolutionary Union.
He’s also a convicted incest-pedophile, who did some jail time for sexually molesting his own daughter - a penchant, for whatever reasons, not at all atypical of the Leftist persona.
Mr. Romero Ellner’s comments merely followed up Manuel Zelaya’s own charge that he was being “subjected to high-frequency radiation” from outside the Brazilian Embassy where he was staying, and blaming “Israeli mercenaries” for his travails.
Worse still, for America’s Zelaya supporters, is the facts laid out by New York District Attorney General, Robert Morgenthau, who recently spoke at the Brookings Institute acknowledging that, “Iran and Venezuela are beyond the courtship phase. We know they are creating a cozy financial, political and military partnership and that BOTH countries have strong ties to Hezzbolah and Hamas.”
Why do you support so many rabid Jew-haters BW? You supported Chavez, at least until the evidence of his Jew-hating became too evident to ignore, and now you support Zelaya, who holds to the SAME views.
You know why the Left reviles the Jews? Why Hitler, Stalin and ALL leading Leftists to this day despise the Jews?
Because the Jews represent the commercial and merchant class...from their ranks have sprung the most ardent Capitalists. The Jews are, as more than one Leftist has lamented, “incorrigibly Capitalistic.” That’s the reason Hitler hated them and it’s the same reason ALL Leftists hate the Jews. Ironically enough, it can be said without any exaggeration that “the Left is incorrigibly anti-Semitic.”
I'm sure you mean well, but as they say, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." It would certainly seem so.
JMK,
You are such an idiot. My family is Jewish. You are totally illiterate politically. Just be careful not to say overly idiotic things like the post above.
Your family's religious background is immaterial.
YOU lauded Hugo Chavez until very recently, only after apparently becoming convinced of his rabid hatred of the Jews.
YOU'VE supported a deposed President (Manuel Zelaya) who'd violated his country's Constitution.
Now, you're confronted with evidence of HIS and his right-hand man's virulent anti-Semitism as well.
Their hatred of all things Jewish makes sense on two fronts, (1) the Left has always hated the Jewish merchant class and (2) it currys favor with Iran at this critical juncture.
It seems like you don't understand the meaning of the term "political illiteracy," given the FACT that I've schooled you on so many political and economic issues.
You apparently didn't know anything about Hugo Chavez' anti-Semitism until I referenced a few articles chronicling it. Apparently you didn't know about Zelaya's and his key supporter's anti-Semitism either...until I referenced it above....nor Karl Marx's virulent racism....or why the far-Left has always reviled Jews.
How many other people have shown you so much that you hadn't known before? How many others have been able to patiently explain why market-based economics works and hy command/government run economies don't/can't?
I've helped turn you from a naive Chavez supporter into someone who sees him for the bigot he really is.
I'm betting I've helped turn you against Zelaya as well.
AND, if you consider those marx quotes with an open mind, I think you'll turn away from that hater as well.
From my end, you're welcome BW. I'm always glad to help.
JMK,
You are a total idiot. You hold the world record in idiocy, slightly ahead of Sarah Palin. You make George Bush seem like a genius.
G W Bush was indeed "a genius" on engaging in the global war against state-sponsored jihadist terror. Today, even France is disgusted with the current administration's capitulation and appeasement on Iran's nuclear ambitions...and France has hardly been in the forefront of that fight previously. At their last meeting, Sarkozy wouldn't even stand next to Obama.
Bush's "idiocy" was his inane stance on illegal immigration, "A pathway to citizenship for those already here"....in other words, "let's just legalize them," (SAME as the liberal Dem stance) and his Keynesian spendthrift ways.
G W Bush spent MORE (even adj for inflation) on reckless social spending than even LBJ did, and increased the National Debt from $5.3 TRILLION to an incredible $9.8 TRILLION! Of course, nearly $3.6 TRILLION of that increase came over the last two years, when he cooperated with the Pelosi-Reid Congress on an ill-fated "stimulus Bill" that doled out $600 checks to millions of Americans and to major BAILOUT Bills.
Palin, only negotiated an incredible $1200 annual payout to EVERY Alaskan citizen directly from the energy companies, for the use of their resources. She actually made big business work for the people of her state.
Apparently you prefer the kind of "idiot" Chris Dodd is, a man who pushed to get Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to buy all those subprime mortgages the government had pressured banks to make, in exchange for a sweetheart "VIP mortgage" for himself.
Palin got Alaskans money from the big energy companies, while Dodd was one of the main culprits behind the global credit failure, and he sold out the interest of his fellow Americans (the vast majority of American oppose mortgages being given to their poor and low income neighbors) for his own personal gain.
Why do you hate your fellow Americans so much? Why do you oppose policies that would benefit them, as Palin's did and support those who deliberately do them harm for their own personal gain, like Chris Dodd's actions did?
I support those who want to help more Americans by incentivizing work, spurring investment and cutting taxes and most importantly government expenditures. The fact that you despise that viewpoint is very troubling.
But then again, so is your high comofrt level with Left-wing bigots and Jew-haters.
Ok, per you Bush was a "genius". That summarizes your case. What an idiot.
Ok, per you Bush was a "genius"..."
Actually, I said nothing of the sort, I clearly said that "Bush's "idiocy" was his inane stance on illegal immigration, "A pathway to citizenship for those already here"....in other words, "let's just legalize them," (SAME as the liberal Dem stance) and his Keynesian spendthrift ways. G W Bush spent MORE (even adj for inflation) on reckless social spending than even LBJ did, and increased the National Debt from $5.3 TRILLION to an incredible $9.8 TRILLION! Of course, nearly $3.6 TRILLION of that increase came over the last two years, when he cooperated with the Pelosi-Reid Congress on an ill-fated "stimulus Bill" that doled out $600 checks to millions of Americans and to major BAILOUT Bills."
It is now undeniable that the Bush Doctrine on the WoT was not only right and just, but the ONLY path we could take.
Otherwise, the Obama administration wouldn't have reversed course on their campaign promises on that score, to embrace the Bush Doctrine.
The NSA Surveillance Program, which folks like you, Barry and I rightly supported from the start, while real "political idiots" called them "shredding the Constitution," are not only ongoing, but Barack Obama has gone to court at least twice to protect their secrecy.
Contrary to their campaign promises, not a single U.S. troop has been drawn down in Iraq, while Afghanistan has been ratcheted UP by this administration.
The rendition program, where the U.S. sends detainees to foreign portals for more "intensive interrogations," has also been increased!
The current administration has recently admitted that Gitmo won't be closed this year, as promised and that "Don't Ask..." won't be repealed any time soon.
The Obama administration has continued the Bush WoT the same way it continued, even ratcheted UP Bush's FAILED Keynesian economic policies!
To date, Barack Obama and G W Bush are following pretty much the SAME economic and foreign policies. That set of foreign policies IS right, just and necessary (you seem to call that "genius"), while their Keynesian economic and immigration policies have been disastrous ("idiocy" in your terms).
Both Bush and Obama seem like perfectly nice guys to me, BOTH have been a little naive at times, BOTH seem to overestimate government's ability to improve conditions and fix problems, BOTH have followed an aggressive foreign policy especially regarding the WoT and BOTH have followed a Keynesian economic policy path that resulted in disaster the last time a Republican Keynesian (Nixon) was followed by an even more Keynesian Democrat (Carter). You're being way too simplistic here in calling the things we agree with "genius" and the things we disagree with "idiocy."
Not surprising, but then again, neither has your support for Chavez and other far-Left anti-Semites been very surprising.
What is not surprising is that you are such an idiot.
A Fitting and Final Post-Script....
The Obama Administration Caves on Honduras!
In exchange for current President Micheletti’s agreeing to merely submit Manuel Zelaya’s request for reinstatement before that country’s Supreme Court, the U.S. has agreed to withdraw all sanctions, recognize the elections (next month) they did not want held, agreed that there will be no amnesty for Zelaya should he be charged with any crimes AND the Zelay-supporters or “zelayaistas” have agreed to renounce their plans to call for a constituent assembly to rewrite the constitution!
That’s as close to an unconditional surrender on the part of the Obama administration and the other Zelaya-supporters (most notably Hugo Chavez) as you can get.
Why? Because Micheletti’s submitting Mr. Zelaya’s request is a mere formality, as there’s little chance the Honduran Supreme Court will reinstate Mr. Zelaya, given that the same court has twice ruled against his right to remain in office.
As the WSJ has stated, “this is a win for Honduras!”
SEE:
“Current President Roberto Micheletti agreed yesterday to submit Mr. Zelaya's request for reinstatement as president to the Supreme Court and Congress, and in return the U.S. will withdraw its sanctions and recognize next month's presidential elections.
“Mr. Zelaya, whose term would have expired in January, isn't likely to be reinstated, given that the court has twice ruled against his right to remain in office...
“... There is a risk that Venezeula's Hugo Chávez and other Zelaya allies will try to buy support for their man and stir other trouble. But Hondurans who have rightly stood up to enormous U.S. pressure to reinstate Mr. Zelaya aren't likely to be intimidated now...
“... . Hondurans had deposed Mr. Zelaya on entirely legal grounds for threatening violence and violating the country's constitution in an attempt to run for a second term. The U.S. nonetheless meddled and demanded that Mr. Zelaya be reinstated.
“But Hondurans refused to bend, and the State Department apparently decided at last that Honduras was going to go ahead with its election whether the U.S. agreed or not. The Honduran compromise provided Mrs. Clinton with an elegant diplomatic exit.
“Washington and the Organization of American States have now promised to send observers and recognize the elections; there will be no amnesty for Mr. Zelaya if he is charged with a crime; and the zelayistas will renounce their plans to call for a constituent assembly to rewrite the constitution. If Mrs. Clinton wants to call this a victory, it is — for Honduras.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/
SB...1545624488.html
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