This has nothing to do with the merits of Universal Health care. While I can understand you would be defensive about how overweight people are treated, isn't this more of an immigration policy question? Don't we make economic factors relevant in immigration decisions like H1Bs?
some made up name | 11.19.07 - 12:34 pm | #

So it's open borders for Mexicans, but closed for fat people?

Nice.
Tracy Eberly | Homepage | 11.19.07 - 12:46 pm | #

SMUN...I think you need to read it again.

The immigration policy is based on their socialized medicine.

If they didn't have socialized medicine, would this woman still be denied access because she's fat?

And I just love your backhanded calling of Tracy "fat"...that was a really nice touch and really helped win me over with your argument.
Brent | Homepage | 11.19.07 - 1:02 pm | #

The policy makes sense in a socialized medicine setting. I wonder what the policy is in regards to diabetes, Crones, heart disease, etc?

If socialized medicine takes hold here we'll have to amend the Statue of Liberty to wit
"except, fat smoking diabetics and other burdens to our health system"
pig/dog | 11.19.07 - 1:25 pm | #

Smun is in tip top physical condidtion, and a socialist.
This makes him a superior human being.

Thanks so much for sharing your wisdom, oh perfect one.
Sequel | Homepage | 11.19.07 - 1:29 pm | #

Diabetes is easy to figure out. You will be required to lose weight or lose coverage.

See how Socialized medicine is cheaper, you just shit can those that don't fall into line.
Tracy Eberly | Homepage | 11.19.07 - 1:29 pm | #

SMUN is a weight-ist. It is very fashionable on the left right now to discriminate against over weight people, yet drug and alcohol addictions are "diseases".

They hand out pamphlets on who it's OK to hate this month, Rush Limbaugh always makes the list right next to GW.
Tracy Eberly | Homepage | 11.19.07 - 1:32 pm | #

Diabetes is easy to figure out. You will be required to lose weight or lose coverage.

Will the same sort of discrimination follow those with Type 1 diabetes around?

How about those with asthma?
Brent | Homepage | 11.19.07 - 1:35 pm | #

Yes once the government has taken over control of the health care system, all diseases will be viewed as personal failings.
It makes it easier to withold care.
Sequel | Homepage | 11.19.07 - 1:38 pm | #

or Type II diabetic that are insulin dependent because they pancreases is dead losing wight will not cure mine
tim | Homepage | 11.19.07 - 3:18 pm | #

Diabetes isn't quite so easy; it's not just weight, but also sugar intake and such.

Ironically, we could do more for it by stopping corn subsidies than just about anything else. Sigh.
Bike Bubba | Homepage | 11.19.07 - 4:03 pm | #

New Zealand just wants to make sure that prospective residents live long enough to make a significant contribution (in taxes) to socialized health care before reaping the sub-standard benefits.
Ian | 11.19.07 - 4:07 pm | #

Whatever happened to "personal responsibility?" I thought that was the creed of the Radical Right. If you are a lard ass, it's only fair you should have to pay more for your health insurance than if you take care of yourself. Likewise, if you smoke, don't make ME subsidize your stupid self-destructive behavior. How very amusing it is to see a callous a-hole turn all touchy-feely when it hits close to home.
Jake | 11.19.07 - 9:51 pm | #

And another liberal misses the point.
Jake, are you related to Harold?
maxx | 11.20.07 - 5:38 am | #

Jake...did you even BOTHER to read the posts or the threads?

Let me spell it out for your small, simple mind.

WHAT IS SOMEONE WHO WAS BORN WITH A DISEASE, LIKE TYPE I DIABETES TO DO?

Type one you are BORN with...it has NOTHING to do with being fat...in fact, being fat is a BYPRODUCT of the TREATMENT for TYPE I.
Brent | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 7:56 am | #

If it's private insurance then EVERTHING must be covered until the system is overloaded and ready to colapse.
Then we can have the government take over and then ration services, and jutify it with statements like it's your own fault for being a fats ass.
You ate Mcdonalds for lunch, no health sevices for you.
You drove to work. You should have moved into the sustainable urban core and rode your bike. Now you're fat. For this affront no healthcare for you.
Sequel | Homepage | 11.20.07 - 10:21 am | #

"You drove to work. You should have moved into the sustainable urban core and rode your bike. Now you're fat. For this affront no healthcare for you."

I like it!! If you're stupid enough to raise your stress level by living in the burbs and driving thru rush hour, we won't provide coverage. It thins out the gene pool, we get less cars on the road and we can turn the freeways into bike lanes and LRT tracks.

And Jake -- you did not miss a thing. The personal responsibility thing only applies to the poor and less fortunate. Certainly not to the people who post here. They want it all for themselves -- no taxes, pave over everything, let the schools implode.

They had a good run, mucked up just about everything both here and abroad and will hopefully be swept into the dustbin of history.
Al Gore | 11.20.07 - 10:01 pm | #

I like it!! If you're stupid enough to raise your stress level by living in the burbs and driving thru rush hour, we won't provide coverage. It thins out the gene pool, we get less cars on the road and we can turn the freeways into bike lanes and LRT tracks.

Does this mean that we can stop giving welfare to the lazy too then?

I mean, if you are stupid enough not to be able to find a job, the we won't provide coverage.
Brent | Homepage | 11.21.07 - 7:21 am | #

How about if you're stupid enough to live in the city and get shot by some degenerate? Can we just leave you in a pool of your own blood, thereby thinning out the gene pool?
Kermit | 11.21.07 - 7:28 am | #

"Can we just leave you in a pool of your own blood, thereby thinning out the gene pool?" We have plenty of school monitors around that can take me to the hospital. Or maybe Marines -- either one.
Al Gore | 11.21.07 - 8:19 am | #

Kermit...as much as I don't like Al...I think that's a tad over the line.
Brent | Homepage | 11.21.07 - 9:22 am | #

How about "if someone's stupid enough"?
I was just illustrating how ridiculas his rhetoric is.
Kermit | 11.21.07 - 9:37 am | #

As long as private health care remains an option what's the problem if the state wants to run a fascist system? If you have private health care you can live your life, if you want me to pay for it you have to live the "Utopian" life.

Right now we don't turn anyone away & I end up indirectly paying for every "diseased" junkie who chooses to live like an asshole. Why shouldn't I have the option of not paying if he doesn't want to shape up?
Goldie | 11.21.07 - 11:11 am | #