Didn't the Sierra club just join forces with the anti-American George Soros group Move-On.org? These kooks are harming America and need to be exposed.
dare2sayit.com | Homepage | 06.23.08 - 8:31 pm | #

This is the same fence that is cutting across poor people's land but stops at the boundaries of the Rivers Bend Gated Community and at other properties owned by wealthy individuals?

http://www.texasobserver.org/art...le.php? aid=2688

The same fence where Homeland Security spent millions for electronic surveillance equipment that apparently does not work?

Total hypocrisy.
Al Gore | 06.23.08 - 9:32 pm | #

It's just complete election season nonsense. It's not about security. It's about raising fear, pandering for votes and blaming Democrats and liberals.
Doug | 06.23.08 - 10:19 pm | #

Doug have you ever been to Texas and at the boarder line?

Have you ever tried to stop the mass of illegals crossing the boarder?

I spent six months there in 1980 as a scout observer. Counting how many came across the boarder then and it was a staggering number even then.

It's just complete election season nonsense. It's not about security. It's about raising fear, pandering for votes and blaming Democrats and liberals.

Doug
you really have drank the kool aid and are totally in Denial (and im not talking about the river)

What is the first constitutional irresponsibility of our government?

and don't respond with your usual snark just be straight for a change

The same fence where Homeland Security spent millions for electronic surveillance equipment that apparently does not work?

Total hypocrisy.

Al
After the test bed on the electronic fence proved it would not work it was changed. What should they do keep pumping money into it? How do you think military weapons contracts are done (small hint) the same way the test of the electronic fence was done you build a section or a prototype then test it. If it fails or does not do what you want of it you change it.
tim-The Dyslexic Blogger | Homepage | 06.23.08 - 11:18 pm | #

Tim

What about the fact that wall is not contiguous. Some people down there have seen to it that the wall does not go thru their property which means there are gaps. Guess who owns at least one piece of that property? The Texas Hunts. What political party do you think they contribute to? Hint -- its not the Democrats.

The wall is being built to appease one part of the conservative base. Its a symbol of hypocrisy at the largest scale. It does nothing about the 12 million people here illegally now and since its not contiguous, people will still get thru.
Al Gore | 06.24.08 - 7:22 am | #

Any day that the Sierra Club loses is a good day for our nation!
Il Duce' | Homepage | 06.24.08 - 7:38 am | #

It does nothing about the 12 million people here illegally now
No one said it does, and this is an idiotic statement. It's intent is to stop the next 12 million, and the 12 million after that.

The claim that it's not contiguous is irrelevant. It's part of a strategy that includes multiple facets. But with single minded defeatism the liberal says "It's not enough, so don't do anything".

You might want to stick your head back in the sand. The dark is so comforting.
Kermit | 06.24.08 - 8:09 am | #

"The claim that it's not contiguous is irrelevant" Its a wall Kermie. Isn't it being contiguous the whole point.

Oops, sorry, I forgot the "facets". Are the facets replacing the gaps in the wall? Are they sharp and pointy like your head?
Al Gore | 06.24.08 - 8:16 am | #

Thanks for showing the audience (yet again) how vapid and pointless you are, Al.
Kermit | 06.24.08 - 8:38 am | #

What complete BS.
Absurd on the face of it.

There are no golf courses or gated communities that sit astride the border. They would need to be on one side or the other.

It is a border.
People need passports and permission to cross. It is the rule, world wide.
The US southern border has a problem with control of movement.
A barrier is needed to control the flow people and rampant smugging.

Doug will assert racism in 3..2..1
Sequel | Homepage | 06.24.08 - 10:55 am | #

Sequel, apparently you did not see the link I posted. And apparently you also forgot that Homeland Security actually built part of the Wall in Mexico.

Much of what is marked as border are fencelines that date back to the 1800's.
Al Gore | 06.24.08 - 11:28 am | #

Algore is evidently not up to speed on the concept that a "gated community" already is surrounded by a fence, and thus needs no fence.

And how does the Sierra Club figure that it's worse for wildlife for there to be a fence, than for there to be thousands of people passing through each year, dropping garbage and so on there? Somebody's having trouble with logic there, it seems.
Bike Bubba | Homepage | 06.24.08 - 11:31 am | #

Yeah Al, I went clicky on your linkey thingy and found your malcontent.
She seems to keep "losing" more land.
funny how it just sorta evaporates, poof!
Obviously Bushes fault.
Barry will make all this countries bitchers and whiner happy.
Sequel | Homepage | 06.24.08 - 11:39 am | #

"Algore is evidently not up to speed on the concept that a "gated community" already is surrounded by a fence, and thus needs no fence." Apparently BB has never seen the fence around a gated community. Highly unlikely the folks living there want a 50 foot fence topped with concertina wire around them
Al Gore | 06.24.08 - 11:39 am | #

Sequel -- read the whole piece. The Hunts are getting a break on their land. Unfortunately, thats the way the system works. But to call the wall anything but a symbol of pandering to the wingnuts when it has huge gaps, is not sufficiently monitored favors certain landowners over another is a lie.
Al Gore | 06.24.08 - 11:46 am | #

Al
That evil fence would not go "around them. Only one side. See borders tend to be straight lines generally.

See border fences are not live monsters eating hapless victims. The don't travel along and find some houses and attack and surround them. They don't later on find communities zero in on them, seek the center and split them with zeal.

It's a farqin fence on the border.
People who own land that butts up against Mexico may lose a strip at the edge for a fence. Kinda like losing some land to a new freeway.
Sequel | Homepage | 06.24.08 - 11:50 am | #

And so friggin what if it has gaps right now? That means we just need to keep building it. But to a lib it means it never should have been started. There's that chimera of liberal logic again.
Ya see we got these guys called the Border patrol. There's a lot more of them than there used to be. They have sensors, and unmanned drones and all kinds of technology to augment the wall.
Kermit | 06.24.08 - 12:14 pm | #

May I suggest you look at a map of the border in the area in question. It generally follows a river and resembles a coiled snake.

Kermit -- Bushco wanted 700 miles of wall -- he got 350. The border in question is about 2000. Given the economy and other issues facing Americans, do you seriously think it is going to be a hot topic to spend billions on a wall when infrastructure, schools and healthcare all need attention.

Of course, raising taxes could solve that problem. I'm not suggesting it but start twisting now.
Al Gore | 06.24.08 - 1:01 pm | #

Like I said, it's a start. Your phumphering changes nothing.
Kermit | 06.24.08 - 1:20 pm | #

Apparently "Algore" is full of prunes, as usual. I've seen gated communities here and elsewhere, and quite frankly, quite a few of them (especially in the LA area) DO have razor wire on top of them. Even the walls around private homes near Torrance were topped with this.

So I'd have to guess that the Hunt property is also guarded by something more substantial than is needed for, say, "Bear Path." Moreover, if they're selling homes for close to a million apiece, I'd have to guess that the subdivision has some natural topography that makes access difficult as well--you need a hill for a view, after all.

And finally, I'd have to guess that Hunt and his men informed ICE that THEY would much prefer to be the ones building their own fences--in other words, they'd been part of the solution for a long time already, and thank you very much, they'd like to control the style and such.
Bike Bubba | Homepage | 06.24.08 - 1:52 pm | #

Oh,and by the way; I looked up River Bend on Mapquest, and you can take a look here.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?cit...sville& state=TX

The club is a little bit west of Villa Nueva, and its position illustrates brilliantly why it's not going to have a fence going through it. It's already surrounded by at least two rings of trees, at least one road, and I'd have to presume one fence. Moreover, those who would emigrate from Mexico through the golf course would risk being caught through about an extra mile of roads and security than if they simply went about a mile to the west. It's simply not a good route.

Yes, "Algore's" source couldn't figure this out; that's why we call them "liberals."
Bike Bubba | Homepage | 06.24.08 - 2:09 pm | #

wow that's the answer. Let's make the wall out of trees - then even the Sierra Club could buy that one
Al Gore | 06.24.08 - 2:16 pm | #

They made you ride the short bus in school, didn't they, Al?
Kermit | 06.24.08 - 2:21 pm | #

Even if the line follows a river Al.
It is still a border. That side of the river is Mexico; this side is the United States.
Having a fence still does not have said fence jumping onto golf courses and scaring golfers into double bogeys, or accosting gated communities and surrounding them like some medieval siege.
Sequel | Homepage | 06.24.08 - 3:27 pm | #

I'll give ya one thing 5Al, and this is not what you had in mind but...
That fence should go in, all the way, no gaps. No excuses.

And when the Canadians start flooding across the northern frontier taking low paying jobs and depressing the wages and job markets I'll be the first to call for a barricade there too.
Sequel | Homepage | 06.24.08 - 4:15 pm | #

Al Gore is still appparently not up on the concept that gated communities do not prosper when they allow every Juan, Ricardo, and Geraldo to walk through, and that maybe, just maybe, the combination of topology, existing fences, and proximity of U.S. roads to the border might make this particular resort an unlikely spot for crossing.

And that maybe, just maybe, they've presented evidence that demonstrates this, and their neighbors cannot.
Bike Bubba | Homepage | 06.24.08 - 4:21 pm | #

"And when the Canadians start flooding across the northern frontier taking low paying jobs and depressing the wages and job markets I'll be the first to call for a barricade there too." Now that is funny. Why in sam hell would Canadians want to come here? Worse economy, currency worth less or maybe its our fabulous health care scheme?
Al Gore | 06.24.08 - 8:20 pm | #

Hey Al, did they let you sit in the front of the short bus?
Kermit | Homepage | 06.24.08 - 9:20 pm | #

maybe its our fabulous health care scheme?

BINGO!

The attempt at snarky sarcasm backfires!
Sequel | Homepage | 06.25.08 - 10:04 am | #

maybe its our fabulous health care scheme?

How many Americans are streaming over the border for Canadian health care?

That's HEALTH CARE, not prescription drugs.
Bill C | Homepage | 06.25.08 - 12:17 pm | #

"Algore" is apparently unaware that any significant healthcare in Canada involves months of waiting, and that patients are routinely sent, or come of their own volition, to get health care in a timely manner here.
Bike Bubba | Homepage | 06.25.08 - 12:27 pm | #

Gosh Bill, for many Americans, prescription drugs is their healthcare.
Al Gore | 06.25.08 - 1:28 pm | #