This is what I don't get about the liberal "hate america" crowd. Plenty of less tolerant nations are waiting in the wings to fill superpower status. I don't think some of these nations have or would give as much equality to women.
"It's a dog eat dog world and I'm wearing Milk Bone under wear."
Norm from Cheers.
I too am amazed that the liberals excuse Islamists, yet Islamists open hate everything liberals hold dear. If the West (that the left seems to despise) loses, there will be no gay rights, women's rights and, worst of all no, Canine Rights!
No, worst of all NO BOOZE!
Fewer sheepdog, more sheep. Wolves are gonna love it!
As to your question re: liberal apologists for Muslims:
Muslims hate Bush and Republicans.
Democrats hate Bush.
Any enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Feminizing and/or drugging them. Ritalin is used between 2 and 3 times more often on boys than girls. If 25% of school children are using ritalin and twice as many boys as girls are being drugged there is a significant number of psycotropicly drugged boys.
This post has to be satire, it just has to be.
Is your comment supposed to pass for analysis, SMUN?
My brother called it "The Oprahfication of America".
"Ego sentio et affectus ergo ego sum rectus et excellens" The cry of the Oprah Acolytes. Oprah railed against men in her early years. And the price is now being paid: Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind. Now we have "men" who cower, who can't even have a picture of their wife on their desk without a sexual harassment complaint or lawsuit. Listen to all the women who applauded with great vigor Rosie when she spoke whatever she spoke.
The book "The War Against Boys" by Christina Hoff Summers is a must read: bend and break them early and you'll own them for decades.
Want comic relief: a shot to the nuts always brings a laugh. Ever see a shot to the vulva? Ever? Men are idiots and they and the family need to be saved by Mom. Just look at the ads. I'm surprised Dad can even find his mouth to feed himself without Mom. His children all agree: "Dad? Ya mean the family dolt. He's here cowering somewhere. I'll ask Mom if he can come out and talk. But he'll need my permission too." Ever seen Mom as the idiot who can't balance a checkbook or understand fuel injection? "I'm a feminist!" Ever hear any man say "Well, I'm a masculinist!"? Soccer is for girls...all girls of all ages and hormones.
Give me SEALS, Marines, Rangers and rugby players. Black coffee. No lattes. Not machismo. Masculinity. Handguns with a caliber that starts with a "4".
For you "New age sensitive guys"-don't count on me when you need a pair to defend yourselves with superior, or any, firepower. I may not want to offend your assailant.
"When the wolves can't tell the difference between the lions and the sheep, the sheep are safe." I may not be there when your wolf appears.
Good luck girls!
That's all it deserves. Glen Greenwald has done an excellent series of posts on the supposedly manly conservatives who harp on the supposed "womanly" liberal. Most of these conservatives have never served in the military and range from chubby to morbidly obese.
For eff sake, SMUN... then provide a link, quote from the guy, do something!
SMUN-
All those conservatives who wish for their sons to be men and not some Alan Alda semi male pansies are fat and were never in the military.
Therefor it's OK for you to be a pussy.
Pretty much sum up your argument?
SMUN:
Even your favorite liberal news magazine (Newsweek) has covered this. It is a fact that needs addressing if we are to survive beyond this century.
Check it out:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/1096.../site/newsweek/
Sequel! It's refreshing to see you cut straight to the name calling.
Realist, newsflash: high school sucks. I doubt getting into some boys will be boys fist fights is the answer, but maybe growing up to type insults on the internet is, it sure worked for sequel.
Ah, I see we have no response from SMUN regarding my comment.
How about another insult... you're always good for one. Or, maybe not good for it, but you'll clearly do it at the drop of a hat.
Typical argument style of the left from SMUN:
Do not address the merits of the argument.
Attempt to discredit the person making the argument, in this case conservatives are often middle aged overweight Americans, and like most Americans are not veterans. Because of this the conservatives have no right to wish for a return of traditional masculine roles for the subsequent generations.
We should just shut up.
Wish for whatever you want, say whatever you want, but this Conservatives are Manly and libruls and pansies idea needs to be smacked down every time it comes up because it's flat out wrong. If Kermit is going to start calling people candy-ass, we need to take a look at who the real candy asses are and many of the them are overweight columnists who can't wait to for other people not them to go invade Iran, to show how manly they are.
How about some substance.
Women are entering and graduating college more than men.
Many black women can't find a sutiable mate as most black men are permanently infantilized.
The drugging of our youth has some nasty unwanted side effects. not only have we dumbed them down ,we may have removed all their motivation.
Finally, we are confronting a hyper macho culture that is much more comfortable with the concepts of honor, war, victory and death; will our men be able to deal with that?
SMUN did you not start off by attempting to discredit the argument with:
supposedly manly conservatives?
Clearly your are not supposedly manly, what's left but to assume your non supposedly manlyness?
Dude, all I'm trying to do is figure out where your're coming from.
No one argued that fistfights were a desired thing. Rather that the response to them was feminized. They've changed schoolground scuffles into opportunities to teach boys that being boys is bad, or if the boy refuses to be pussified they'll make a school fight criminal.
From Time, a liberal magazine:
By almost every benchmark, boys across the nation and in every demographic group are falling behind. In elementary school, boys are two times more likely than girls to be diagnosed with learning disabilities and twice as likely to be placed in special-education classes. High-school boys are losing ground to girls on standardized writing tests. The number of boys who said they didn't like school rose 71 percent between 1980 and 2001, according to a University of Michigan study. Nowhere is the shift more evident than on college campuses. Thirty years ago men represented 58 percent of the undergraduate student body. Now they're a minority at 44 percent. This widening achievement gap, says Margaret Spellings, U.S. secretary of Education, "has profound implications for the economy, society, families and democracy."
overweight columnists who can't wait to for other people not them to go invade Iran, to show how manly they are.
Is it unconcievable to you that maybe the physical stature of a conservative is not relevant to the belief system?
A fat non-vet is not allowed to have masculine ideas?
How does being overweight disqualify someone from beleiving Iran is a mortal threat to the US?
What does being a fat guy have to do with thinking an Iranian nuke will be used by crazy Ayatolloahs against the Jews?
This whole non argument is complete BS.
To reverse it, if SMUN was not an officer in the military, and does not look like a profesional athlete then he should shut up.
What a load of hogwash.
to show how manly they are
Could it possibly be because they really believe something and it's not some liberal style overcompensation?
Project much?
Sequel, that's my point exactly, all this talk of feminizing and womanlyness and pansies should be dropped altogether which is why this is such a BS post. There may be an issue worth looking at with boys education, but drop all of the loaded language because it can cut both ways, and it looks like BS when it's coming at you doesn't it.
Analysis, pally... provide some substance.
Did I once call anyone a "candy-ass"? Did I call anyone anything? Iwas reflecting on our culture and it's lack of preparedness to confront cultures that are retaining their masculinity.
SMUN seems to be a bit self conscious on the subject.
"all this talk of feminizing and womanlyness and pansies should be dropped altogether"
No it should be confronted head on. That's what a Man would do.
Great point Kermit. The only one to bring candy asses into the equation was, well, SMUN.
Are you suggesting that SMUN is a candy-ass?
Bad point Kermit and JimW. The post says...
"When we have a bunch of candy-ass Senators trying to tell..." 2nd para from the bottom of the post.
Badda, do you have anything to contribute?
Must have missed that. But how does calling some senators candy asses (which isnt' far from the mark, considering this weeks antics) translate to YOU or anyone else? How are those antics NOT candy-assed? YOu're barking up the wrong tree SMUN when you defend those tactics by those candyasses.
Typing insults is so second nature for Kermit he can't even keep track.
How is not candy ass for some obese conservative writers who refuse to serve in the military, yet call for war at every chance?
See my point? Those kinds of loaded terms are meaningless insults. Candy-ass, pansy, feminized? Meaningless drivel.
I have always thought SMUN and P&L were women. Of course I thought that of tracy as well.
SMUN,
I figured if you don't then I ought to at least call you out on it.
Now, once again... where's your substance? I'm the one asking YOU to contribute.
AmendmentX, I think we better add that soccer isn't really a girl-sport.
If you think it is, please tell that to Vinnie Jones.
Yeah, Kermit should have used pusilanimous instead of candy=assed. It fits so much better, and it's a desriptive, not namecalling. 
SMUN came in here and said coneservatives can't be allowed to have these ideas that boys need to return the the masculine roles of yesteryear because we're fat assed lazy slobs who ewre never in the military, then wines like the candy assed liberal he is when I note what a pussy he/she/it is.
SMUN started this whole thing off by his attempt to discredit all conservatives as fat non vets who only want manliness and war as overcompensation for our overwhelming pussness.
Fuck that. I call bullshit here.
Argue the merits of whether we have pansified our boys and lay off the blanket condemnations of our beliefs as empty overcompensation.
Good luck with that, Sequel... I've been asking SMUN to do that very thing ever since 8:14 am this morning:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...2353746/
#177119
"Argue the merits of whether we have pansified our boys..."
That is a meaningless empty statement. pansified? meaningless drivel.
Very well then, argue the merits of whether we have softened our boys, whether we have de-emphasised competition. Argue whether a lack of ambition is a problem... or drugging boys who are assertive. Avoiding confrontation in most circumstances... is that a problem?
Could you do something here, SMUN?
Uh, meaningless drivil...um...
is this a statement of disagreement?
Just a disagreemnt with my manly descriptive prowess?
Perhaps it's just snark in place of actual argument.
Perhaps I need to use soothing terms for the more sensitive nature of SMUN.
Do you disagree my dear fellow that todays culture is less than enthusiastic toward masculine behavior, and if this is the case is it a good thing?
Is that better Nancy?
"Yeah, Kermit should have used pusilanimous instead of candy=assed."
Ecsellent critique. I will edit as soon as I get home. I really should be fair to all the candy-asses out there. Comparing them to people like Dick Durbin and Lindsey Graham is just so unfair.
"Is that better Nancy?"
Are you 12?
Greenwald says it perfectly:
"Virtually the entire top layer of Republican leaders, both political and media figures, are the very opposite of the virtues this movement claims to embody. From Fred Thompson, Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and the rest of the right-wing noise machine, along with our brave neoconservative warmongers -- to say nothing of the likes of George Bush and Dick Cheney -- it is virtually impossible to locate genuine acts of strength, bravery, regular-guy wholesomeness, or any of the warrior attributes and virtues of traditional masculinity they claim to exude. "
Claim to exude? Where? They appriciate and uphold those virtues... not exactly the same thing SMUN.
What's more... show us WHY you (or Greewald) believes they do not those qualities. Surely you must believe they have the opposite qualities.
However, as I have noted, that is not exactly a good arguement to begin with.
Please continue... as we have asked for the first four hours of the day.
All this damn shilly-shallying is so effing typical.
Badda, I don't answer to you.
You don't answer period.
Nancy
I see you continue to fail in our request that you debate the righness or wrongness of the post or for that matter the
the virtues of this movement
But rather continue with your personal attacks on Bush Limbaugh, Rudy etc as a means to discredit the ideas.
As usual you do not attempt to debate the merits of the ideas.
When ones beliefs cannot withstand intelctual scrutiny, simply call the debate opponents fat pigs.
Nice work.
This guy doesn't put forth any arguement until hounded for four hours... then he refuses to continue when questioned.
What is this guy, a woman?
"Nancy"
"What is this guy, a woman?"
priceless.
As priceless as your responses. (Don't you understand satire?)
C'mon... we've asked questions. Are you going to answer and discuss or are you going to go do that voodoo that you do so well?
I'll make you a deal badda-question for question. You get one, I get one to you. You go first.
Nancy-
Hey, what about me!?!
Here:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...2353746/
#177179
...it takes you to the relevant post.
Sequel, you get no deals.
Badda, the where is everywhere. Everytime someone says John Edwards and haircut/breck girl in the same sentence. Or John Kerry is kind of French. These statements, which are everywhere in the conservative media are designed to create the image that liberals are feminine and conservatives are masculine, when in fact the opposite it true.*
I've got a busy day, so I'm done for a while, I'll reserve my question for you until later.
*I answered your question, I really don't care if you don't like the answer.
Perhaps I need to use soothing terms for the more sensitive nature of SMUN.
Sequel, I wouldn't if I were you...otherwise Komrade Nicky will write a piece about it!!!
You wanna talk manly, read the Chinese post. Thats some manly shit right there.
I don't know how much nicer I can ask for your thoughts on the relevant topic as regards to this post.
Copy and past previous question:
"Do you disagree my dear fellow that today’s culture is less than enthusiastic toward masculine behavior, and if this is the case is it a good thing?"
Pretty strait forward question. You can answer that no it not true, culture is fine with masculinity.
Or perhaps yes society does have a problem and it’s a good thing because men are Neanderthals.
Or perhaps you can say you refuse to accept the premise at all and explain why.
Or you can dissemble and call republicans fat pigs and hypocrites explaining that their opinions are invalid because of their perceived personal failings, and need to shut up as you have been since about 8:30.
At the point that you answer I will be happy to answer a question from you in good faith. In fact I will give you your own thread topic of your choosing if you engage in honest debate with multiple back and forth, you know real debate on the topic at hand.
SMUN:
"I'll make you a deal badda-question for question. You get one, I get one to you. You go first."
We're waiting,SMUN.
John Edwards and haircut/breck girl.
He is.. uh,
he does come off as less than masculine even you have to admit. Those weekly $400 haircuts do make him seem rather vain.
As far as the Kerry looks French thing that was never (IMHO) about his being masculine but rather that he is elitist and arrogant like the French. Believe me he did nothing to dispel this notion during the last campaign.
See that's answering a point.
*****HIJACKED POST*****
Sorry, but I found this on the economist web-site and couldn't think of a better place to share it:
THE costliest place in the world to get high is Japan, according to the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime's annual World Drug Report. The street price of a gram of cannabis weed was $58.30 in 2005, over twice as much as in the next most expensive nation, Australia. Americans pay nearly twice as much as Canadians. Similar disparities occur in Europe. Although the Netherlands is the only Western country where cannabis can be bought legally, punters pay more there than in Germany or France. Prices are cheapest in developing countries, where enforcement is less strict.
http://www.economist.com/daily/
c...tory_id=9788419
On a semi-related note:
What do we need to battle jihadis?
Ji-hotties!!!
*groan*
Badda, I guess you can't read, I've got a busy day and will post my question to you later, maybe tomorrow. See above.
Yeah, I didn't see it... so don't claim I don't like the answer. Howeer, I don't like the fact that your answer isn't much of an answer.
"Badda, the where is everywhere. Everytime someone says John Edwards and haircut/breck girl in the same sentence. Or John Kerry is kind of French. These statements, which are everywhere in the conservative media are designed to create the image that liberals are feminine and conservatives are masculine, when in fact the opposite it true."
Those statements do not do what you (or the other guy) claim... you said that Fred Thompson, Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity claim to exude masculinity.
Where do they claim it? What is their actual claim?
What's more, where is your substance that the opposite is true?
Wait... wait... wait.
By they way... if you are busy, why did you come back.
(He didn't leave.)
Funniest thing I've read all day:
"...liberals are feminine and conservatives are masculine, when in fact the opposite it true."
I'm thinking Leonardo DiCaprio. Unless SMUN was talking Rosie O'Donnell, in which case he has a point.
SMUN essentially says:
We liberals are not feminine! You conservatives are not masculine! Where's your proof? Besides, it is the other way around. I can't stay and chat... see you later!
"...liberals are feminine and conservatives are masculine, when in fact the opposite it true."
I'm thinking of this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k...h?
v=kHmvkRoEowc
Yes, you read it correctly...GUY!!!
I'm not saying that this guy is a lilberal for certain...I'm just saying...
Demcrat tough guy: John Edwards.
Republican sissy: Rudy Guliani.
Democrat tough guy: Grey (yhey look at this hair!) Davis
Republican sissy: The governator.
Democrat tough guy: Tim Robbins.
Republican sissy: Bruce Willis
Democrat tough guy: the whole cast of MASH Alda etc.
Republican sissy: Charlton Heston.
Hell even Sen. Craig in the middle of washroom BJ looks tougher than Harry (I surrender!) Reid.
I can't imagine why I was so misinformed about the impression that the lefties seem like they are less than masculine.
The fact that the general public views the right as tougher and more masculine than the left seems to get under SMUN's skin: no?
SMUN's argument may have been more convincing if Liberals hadn't spent the last 30 years claiming that men and women are essentially the same.
I think the issue that this discussion and thread is having is the definition of Masculine being equal to aggressive user of force and is ignoring the fact becoming top dog has little to do with being aggressive but being smart and aggressive and being able to tell when to use each.
The caveman didn't succeed because he was the strongest but because he could utilize tools like fire and the atlatl. With the atlatl he could throw a spear much farther and with more impact than the strongest man.
Are American boys doing worse? Likely. Is the reason liberals or smothering mommies? Unlikely. In fact I don't think masculinity has much of a correlation to political stance other than the artificial imposition by people that are either smart and weak or dumb and strong.
Nice reference to the atlatl!
I wonder if the cave woman supported atlatl control?
Hold it, Kermit... the atlatl shouldn't be illegal or controlled, but the spears or spearheads should!
I think both sides should respect each other for their differences and strengths.
Or is respect just for pantywaists?
Badda, thanks for your patience.
My question to you is:
Do you think it is helpful and constructive, or divisive, immature, and counterproductive to use such terms as pansy, candy-assed, and feminized (in a perjorative way towards men), when discussing important issues?
Nancy-
Yes
Feminized? No. It is very sensible to use that word.
Pansy and candy-assed is probably devisive... but to whom?
You seem wholeheartedly against any jabs, yet you've been known to sling them. Keep in mind, Tracy set this blog up to have a South Park Conservative sense of humor. We, the contributors, also try to keep ourselves a little humble... we give each other a number of shots.
Now, perhaps you're taking some of the comments too personally. I suspect Tracy would say, "Get over yourself." Sequel and Jim W might say, "Go eff yourself." Brent would probably tell you to "Go get your effing shinebox." (I might too... however in these circumstances I prefer, "Lighten up, Francis.")
Counterproductive? No. Not at all. Considering how you've been dancing around this topic without saying much for most of the day... you earned the name Nancy. It was pretty funny, too. Now, that doesn't mean Sequel or Brent wouldn't discuss this with you... I bet they would, however, you've not shown yourself to be a guy willing to discuss. (At least in this topic... I can't speak for the others.)
Candy-assed isn't divisive, it's derision, richly deserved in this application.
I'm sorry I don't have a sensitive, effeminate nature that wants everyone to just get along. I tend to be blunt. One reason for this is I am a man.
There is a time for reasoned, articulate discourse, and there is a time for brickbats.
So then maybe it's a lack of maturity that is making boys fall behind in school.
As for sequel, you were a rude bully from the first comment I made on this blog and you have proven consistent since then. Name calling suits you perfectly.
SMUN,
That is certainly something to consider... boys in school, though, have lacked maturity in America for the last 200+ years, and probably very far beyond that... so if that is part of the equation, it probably isn't a big part of the equation.
Besides, you're comment is off topic.
Brent would probably tell you to...
Normally, when I'm really irked..I'll tell someone to "Go outside and play hide-and-go-fuck-yourself" but when I'm more just being a prick, then I use the shinebox comment...but that's also because my wife helped make that killer Anti-Strib Shinebox for us. 
So then maybe it's a lack of maturity that is making boys fall behind in school.
First off, Badda, I think that this is on topic. We are talking here about the Feminizing Men is a Threat to Our Survival and I think that understanding the cause is necessary to understand how to fix it (if needed) and try not to let it happen again.
But Badda is also very correct when he says that girls have matured faster than boys, and been more mature than boys for a VERY long time...so I don't think that's the whole answer.
I think it's a combination of things and it starts with the fact that develop slower than girls growing up.
Add into that a two working parent family where there really isn't a "father figure" or a "mother figure" roles solidly defined. So we don’t get the whole Bill Cosby routine:
When your father gets home, he’s going to shoot you in the face with a bazooka, and I’m not going to stop him either. Oh he’s always wanted to kill you. The day you were born he said, “Kill it!” I stopped him from killing you for 11 YEARS…and this is the thanks I get for saving your life?
Now the working parents stop and pick up their children from the "day-time parents" at the Petri dish we call daycare, we go home, cook some pre-packaged meal, or we stop at the drive-thru (no wonder we're getting fatter)...maybe after dinner you might mow the law or do laundry, etc, etc, etc. And we are just TIRED. We don't have time any more to discipline our children.
Girls, being more mature, understand that they need to do well in school, and when they do they are not teased about it. Boy, on the other hand, will take advantage of the system and do as little as possible. And if boys, Heaven forbid, do well in school, their peers tease them for it.
Maybe, if the kid is lucky, one of the parents will loose the rock-paper-scissors game and have to take Little Johnny to T-Ball. But once there, there's no keeping score so there are no winners and no losers so there is no incentive to give you 110%. But at least after the game we get Hi-C!
And don't get me started on TV programs!!!
My son watches this show called Drake and Josh and all of the men main characters are bumbling idiots while the girls are all smart and cunning.
You add all of this up…and you get what we have today.
Is it a bad thing? Probably not…but I also don’t think it’s a good thing.
Cut taxes, let them keep more of the one income that they earn so once can stay home with the kids and all of this will go away.
(There is one big assumption in here however…we need to stop being suck big consumers of goods and services and learn to SAVE for this to work.)
"Is it a bad thing? Probably not…"
Go with your first instinct. Yes, it is bad. Very bad. Your's are still young, so there's still time. Time and hope. It's a lot easier to direct this out of the starting gate than it is to try and fix it after the fact. I know, because I'm in that particular Hell right now Bren- I mean Shark.
I hope and pray that you can avoid this sick, fucked up system better than I did. It failed both me and my son. I have to hope I can guide my daughter through it somehow.
Public education is an oxymoron.
Speaking of public education - (warning - traffic whoring and post pimping ahead)
look for a post in the next few days on "things I learn from my kids". Once I have my call with their US HISTORY Teacher tomorrow, I'll have all the elements to the post I need.
P.E. is definately an oxymoron.
Brent,
SMUN's comment about maturity was tied to the question he put to me regarding folks in this comment section using the words pussy, pansy, candy-ass, and so on... in that respect, he's off topic.
More importantly, I mentioned that the boys and immaturity observation is hardly new. I suspect young lads in Judea during the time of the Romans pulled many of the same types of stunts and were immature, too.
I suspect young lads in Judea during the time of the Romans pulled many of the same types of stunts and were immature, too.
Yeah...you're probably right...but a Chinese Fire Drill on a donkey would a lot harder than out of the 1973 Impala.
Nancy-
As for sequel, you were a rude bully from the first comment I made on this blog and you have proven consistent since then.
This is possibly the first time in my life I've ever been called a bully.
It really hurts... I'm just a big teddy bear, I think I might cry.
See now this is just the kind of stuff I'm talking about with the pansification of our culture: Should I just stop in my tracks and seek anger managemnet counseling when the charge of bully gets tossed up here?
You have been Snarky McSnarklson, full of broad attacks on conservatives and showing a complete unwillingness to engage in honest debate, and now whine that I'm a bully.
Sweet chocolate Mohamed! Grow a set eh?
Sequel, you are not allowed to say things that SMUN doesn't like. He only allows freedom of speech to apply to those with whom he agrees. Everyone else must shut up becuase they are in the minority and therefore have no voice.
SMUN... Sequel's post is tough, but fair.
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