I don't know maybe we need a bit more substance here something is just lacking
but I just can't put my finger on it
tim-The Dyslexic Blogger | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 12:24 pm | #

Please let me know when you discover the gaping hole in my analysis. The always constructive criticism of the Minions is one of the many joys I get from this wonderful blog.
Il Duce' | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 1:11 pm | #

Well done.

Agreed.

Please forward to Pawlenty and Rybak.
bud jr | 03.26.08 - 1:18 pm | #

Il Duce, he was referring to the initial post, which only said "The Minn" and was entirely blank. I saw the same thing...
Jim W | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 1:18 pm | #

"people like me invest hundreds of thousands (most likely millions) of dollars in Minneapolis (and greater Minnesota) every year." Wow -- do you have a hard time getting that head thru doorways?

So again, lots of "sky is falling" rhetoric but no solutions. Blaming it on immigrants and boomers is pretty ridiculous. Maybe we should deport them as well and build a wall? Walls always seem to be the answer for you guys. Or, declare them terrorists and round them up.

Again, need help moving, let me know.
Al Gore | 03.26.08 - 1:24 pm | #

So, the tipping point was when Gov. Wendell Anderson graced the cover of Time Magazine in his flannel shirt holding the fish. We Minnesotans love to think of ourselves as savvy as New Yorkers and the first at many things; most recently electing a Muslim to congress. We love watching our city on the Mary Tyler Moore show and we waited with great anticipation for Howard Cosell to show Viking highlights at halftime of Monday Night Football. We want the national spotlight to show how smart and really innovative we are; we have arrived.

The problem with the great insulator of homogenous people and home grown fortune 500 companies is that our Minnesota Nice will not be taken advantage of. We are either naive or our legislators are taking advantage of our Minnesota Nice and float the notions of being all things to all people.

That might work in a homogenous society, but we are now paying the price of trying to use that thinking in the world we have created; build a great welfare system and they will come. Someone has to pay for it. Now we are paying for the problems we have created by our vanity and our governmental self-righteousness.
Magpie | 03.26.08 - 1:27 pm | #

Al
defend the high taxes for the "quality of life" we get here in MN.
Stop snarking, and start defending your position.
Sequel | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 1:28 pm | #

Now it works; hit the refresh button.

Solutions? For starters, downsize the meaning of being a state rep. It's not a job, not a replacement for your career as a community organizer in Minneapolis. Shit, this year isn't even a budget year, but look what is happening to the state budget. Problems mentioned in the post are only being increased upon.

The second is a change in our mentality, away from the Lori Sturdevant-type described well by El Douche. Minnesota cant substain this business model fashioned in the 60s and 70s.
JW of minnesota | 03.26.08 - 1:36 pm | #

Hay boss I was making a joke about the original post as Jim mentioned it was a big white page o nothing grin
tim-The Dyslexic Blogger | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 1:59 pm | #

Wow -- do you have a hard time getting that head thru doorways?

He isn’t referring to just himself doing that every year…he is talking about the group of people who invest, like him…and he could also have been referring to the multiplying affect.

Blaming it on immigrants and boomers is pretty ridiculous.

Well…if you were new to this blog I would recommend that you go back and read more of our blog and you will learn that it is not the immigrants and baby-boomers who are ruining the system, it is the ones who are living off of the government through the government’s flawed systems. They ask themselves, “If government is just going to give me this money/service for free, why support myself?”

Yes, I know in the case of the baby-boomers that many DID contribute to the system, but the system doesn’t show the returns that they could have received if they had the money to invest themselves.

But...since you are not new to the blog, you already know this all of these points from us. So you must be trying to just be your usual ass and try to pretend conservatives are really that evil.

Whatever you need to get your pathetic ass through the day dude.

Again, need help moving, let me know.

Same for you and your multiple personalities.
Brent | 03.26.08 - 2:06 pm | #

Homogeneousness I think, is more class than culture although I am sure some people would disagree. I think you were on to something with your takers and earners post about Ohio. I have more in common with the average Somali cabdriver who is trying to earn a living (and as Kathy Kersten pointed out was NOT interested in limiting the number of fares he could take with that system of indicating no booze or dogs) than I do with somebody who is living off of welfare, no matter what their religious or ethnic background. The problem consists in not teaching people how it's much easier to give up and get on welfare. There is a whole class of people now whose job consists in doing exactly that.
Margaret Martin | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 2:15 pm | #

The "health care" bill being moved through our Legislature right now (and NOT supported by TPaw) would add 47,000 people to the giveaway. The Comrades would include families earning $83,000 per year.
Kermit | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 2:17 pm | #

"people like me invest hundreds of thousands (most likely millions) of dollars in Minneapolis (and greater Minnesota) every year."

I was responding to your assinine "hate the rich" attitude. I was also trying to generalize the activities that myself and a few friends have done in the last few years. My buddy just flipped a $400K house for $990K; he invested $300 and worked on it for 8 months. Brent is correct, by telling me and my friends to leave you will not only lose our taxable income, but also the jobs and the real wealth we create. Stagnant and falling house values will hurt city and county budgets. Without remodelers like myself and many, many others, the tax receipts for Minneapolis and Minnesota would be lower.

What do you do that voluntarily increases tax receipts?
Il Duce' | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 2:22 pm | #

Sick Bird, Ill Ducky, Acey Ducey, Il Duce wrote, "Our liberal, revolving door justice system has made every street in MN less safe."

Minnesota has ten thousand in prison now. How many more do you want?
Ed Salden | 03.26.08 - 2:49 pm | #

"defend the high taxes for the "quality of life" we get here in MN.
Stop snarking, and start defending your position."

Ok Sequel, here it is. I have been very lucky in life, worked hard and made lots of money. Not Mark Dayton rich but at least as wealthy as Il Duce, based on what I read, and maybe more. I am in that highest taxed group of citizens and while I dont like paying them anymore than you do, I recognize it is a part of living in both a civilized society and in a place as great as Minnesota.

I think the diversity has made Minnesota a better place. Having lived in a number of places both here and abroad, I welcome diversity and the contributions it makes to our society.

Does government have a spending problem? You bet. Is cutting spending on the backs of the least fortunate the answer? Hell no. Spend what is minimally necessary for national defense -- any more takes away from bolstering our economy. If indeed the Iraq war does cost the US 3 trillion $, what a horrendus waste of capital for a minimal return. Do you honestly think we will ever destroy terrorism totally? Protect our homeland yes but building a wall around the country is folly.
Al Gore | 03.26.08 - 3:01 pm | #

Thank you Al.
Sequel | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 3:14 pm | #

Is cutting spending on the backs of the least fortunate the answer?
My family is right smack dab in the middle of the middle class. I will think about this lame-ass platitude when I write the sizable check to Minnesota dictated by the tax return I just completed.
Friggin joke.
Kermit | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 3:16 pm | #

Kermie

Guaranteed my check to the state and feds is many multiples of yours. Quit whining. Dont like it? -- move to Texas

What do you propose we do with the less fortunate -- ship them out of state? Maybe we should build a compound for them in your neighborhood.
Al Gore | 03.26.08 - 3:19 pm | #

So what are you doing to voluntarily increase tax receipts Al?

We could stop paying people to breed. We could stop paying for them to live in homes much nicer than what I lived in when I was in college. We could stop funding things that the private sector could and should fund. Just how does the millions of $$ wasted on the Guthrie, the Twins and the Gophers really help us?

Iraq funding isn't a MN issue, Billion dollar trolleys are.
Il Duce' | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 3:22 pm | #

As for the prisons, as many as it takes Ed. How about we stop putting guys with a DWI in jail and save room for real criminals?

Our soft on crime attitude just assures that criminals keep escalating their crimes until they feel real punishment.

A question for Ed is how many MN prisoners were born in MN? How many came here for the welfare and our "no 3-strikes" criminal haven? How many are illegal aliens?

Reduce welfare and you'll reduce the subsidies for criminals.
Il Duce' | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 3:27 pm | #

Minnesota has ten thousand in prison now. How many more do you want?

Keep filling them until crime begins to drop. This would be an equilibrium of sorts.

I would also recommend non violent drug use crimes be far less severely punished.
I also recommend more severe punishment for violent crimes, like muggings that involve beating old ladies. those types should be spending Loooong prison terms.
Sequel | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 3:31 pm | #

Al

Add in all the money that has been flushed down the toilet by giving people that were on welfare in there state that moved here to take advantage of our higher rate.

Stop this joke of work ready program. Ever one that comes out of high school is ready for a job. We all have started at the bottom and worked our way up. Why do we have to expect any different of others?

Require people on welfare keep the same records that the state requires of recipients of unemployment benefits make them prove they are looking for a job. Welfare is designed to be a short term assistance for the less fortunate we have made it to easy to get on and stay on with very little effort.

Under age children that get pregnant do not get a home and money to live on they stay with there parents. Any out of wedlock births are required to revel name of father and dna matching done to prove paternity. With support requirements laid down by law.

End the welfare for life embraced at the state capitol.

If you request support from the state you will have it for one year after that one year you are required to have a job or a job will be assigned to you by the state. I sure know of a lot of streets that need to be cleaned and pot holes filled.

Do not pay welfare to non residents just as in an election you have to prove residency and having lived here for a time before you can vote same goes for welfare you must have lived here for a set time before you can receive support from the state.
tim-The Dyslexic Blogger | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 3:48 pm | #

* I think the diversity has made Minnesota a better place

*Is cutting spending on the backs of the least fortunate the answer? Hell no.

*then it's complaining about Iraq.

Thanks for at least trying.
But none of that has anything to do with the "quality of life" that makes this such a special place stuff you listed earlier.

****
"cutting spending on the backs of the least fortunate"
Oh man oh man, that right there is it's own post. I don't feel like taking this thread off onto that tangent.
Sequel | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 3:50 pm | #

"What do you propose we do with the less fortunate -- ship them out of state?"

Why not? It seems Gary, IN and Chicago have been pretty successful sending them up here.
baba-phooey | 03.26.08 - 3:55 pm | #

Hey, I'll chip in a few bucks to feed the moving crew.
Doug | 03.26.08 - 3:59 pm | #

Quit whining. Dont like it? -- move to Texas
I'm not whining you fraud. I answered your idiotic assertion.
I was born here and have watched fools like you run this state into the ground. I will continue to do what I can to contradict the destructive liberal policies promoted by people who are clueless. Like you.
Kermit | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 4:07 pm | #

As usual, not one liberal was able to post anything that refuted my thesis that the MN Quality of life meme is complete BS.

Not even Al can come up with examples of where our excessive taxes help the average working, tax paying Minnesotan.
Il Duce' | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 4:07 pm | #

Maybe one of Al's other personalities can.
Kermit | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 4:23 pm | #

52% of the Federal budget is slated for SS, medicare and other entitlements. Minnesota's largest expenditure is on Health and human services.

Why has govenrment set itself up as caretaker of the people? This is not government's responsibility nor was it enumerated in the constitution.

We found that the pool of SS money was so tempting that instead of keeping it seperate, it was to juicy to leave alone and now we see insolvency in its future.

Why has local welfare increased? I thought the population was decreasing. Does it matter that statictically there is an 80 % out of wedlock birth rate in the African American community? The federal government throws money at schools to pay for reduced or free lunch programs. Is that helping the situation? Do we see greater problems arising from creating a need for a school to get more federal money so they need to go out and find students who fulfill the criteria. This is the kind of behavior that is learned within government, so why should it be any different between govenment and its citizens.

Who will say enough is enough?
Magpie | 03.26.08 - 4:32 pm | #

Al Gore,
Just curious - what kind of diversity are you valuing here, and which specific contributions by these diverse people do you value?
PaulC | 03.26.08 - 4:39 pm | #

Diversity is great. I work with an Engineer from Europe. He built a home here, purchased a car here, but is not a US citizen. He is legally in this country, but had to return to his home in Europe because of paperwork. He still paid for his home, in two locations. Paid for his car which he was not using and of course the utilities on the home, that he was not using.

Here is a tax paying, highly educated, legal resident who was forced back to his home country because of paperwork technicalities; which are now resolved.

The additional costs and personal expense was great.

That is the diversity that I can respect. I'm sorry our country takes them for granted while millions are here illegally and taking resources that we as taxpayers are funding.
Magpie | 03.26.08 - 5:17 pm | #

Tracy might not be aware of Al and his bot friends/imaginary buddies.
Or would that be butties? NTTAWT!
Supposedly there are 5 Al Gores who post here and then use the answers they get in discussions in some classroom where the sun always shines and diversity reigns. Or something.
maxx | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 5:48 pm | #

"Not even Al can come up with examples of where our excessive taxes help the average working, tax paying Minnesota" Public schools. In St Paul, and I am sure Minneapolis as well, there are public schools where kids excel and go on to top tier colleges.
Al Gore | 03.26.08 - 6:18 pm | #

MN as a state will not be as competitive in the future because of the liberal nanny state social programs paid for with higher taxes each year that will lead to slow but eventual decay as younger workers as well as retirees will move to more tax friendly states with job opportunities and more pleasant cities.
I don't know about MN as a whole but I have seen it in my little town starting in the late 90s when all of a sudden so many people on welfare showed up from out of nowhere. And we aren't talking about people from Beverly Hills but straight out of some of the worst crime filled neighborhoods of the lower Midwest.
See the thing is libbies, hardworking people like to come home to crime free places and clean streets after work and don't like their tax dollars going towards programs that just cause environments to decline.
socialistparadise | 03.26.08 - 6:19 pm | #

Tracy, please quit whining and leave already if you'd prefer to live in a low tax paradise like Mississippi or Arkansas.
some made up name | 03.26.08 - 8:16 pm | #

SMUN Doug and I will all help you and the rest of the whiners pack.
Al Gore | 03.26.08 - 8:58 pm | #

Ooh, one of Al's less literate alter-egos gives voice. A tribute to the less intellectually gifted among us.
Kermit | Homepage | 03.26.08 - 9:57 pm | #

Why they don't "get" it:

Income:
Al $40.00 milk $4 cost= 10%
Kermit $20 milk $4 cost= 20%

Bonus question:
Should we take $2 from Al or,
make Al pay $8 for milk?
The correct answer is neither.

Al, you may be able to afford the cost of bad government,
but what if Kermit can not?
This is all covered under "The law of diminishing returns".
SteveOfTheNorth | 03.26.08 - 10:18 pm | #

"what if Kermit can not?" Then Kermit needs to do what any good conservative capitalist should do -- get a better job, work harder and save and invest his money.

What if he cannot? Then I would guess that would make him one of the lazy shiftless welfare criminals you all hate.
Al Gore | 03.26.08 - 10:31 pm | #

"what if Kermit can not?" Then Kermit needs to do what any good conservative capitalist should do -- get a better job, work harder and save and invest his money.

Are those the same jobs that the high taxes and high crime have driven out of the state? And with the progressive tax rates, what incentive does he have to work harder if a greater percentage goes to taxes? With those higher taxes gobbling up his income, what is he supposed to invest after he's covered the basics?

What if he cannot? Then I would guess that would make him one of the lazy shiftless welfare criminals you all hate.
Al Gore | 03.26.08 - 10:31 pm | #

Al, I try not to hate people, but I have no qualms about despising the irresponsible choices they make. I had a neighbor who lived in Section-8 housing, invited 12 family members with felony convictions to live with her (her name was of course the only one on the lease), and showed no respect to the neighbors, what with loud music, disregard for private property, and repeated incidents that required police involvement. What frustrates me is the people who collect welfare, go to the grocery/department stores, and while in line in front of me, whip out their EBT card to pay for food stuffs, and then blow their remaining cash on cigarettes, booze, new sneakers, designer clothes, etc. They have no shame about their situation because they feel they are "entitled". Would that not fit the definition of a lazy, shiftless welfare criminal?

I'm sure there are people who are down on their luck, and my heart (and sometimes my cash) goes out to them. But what I see much more commonly are the professional abusers of the system.
Ian | 03.27.08 - 1:10 am | #

Yes,Al....
The easy answer.
So,you would support removing ALL
people from Gov't aid>?
What a wonderful idea, turning a debt
inti a cash-stream!

But:
Then I would guess that would make him one of the lazy shiftless welfare criminals you all hate.

Is a poor argument. I'll make the same
now:
How many Gov't contracts and kick-
backs do ALL of you rich people
get? Too easy to paint w/ a broad
brush.

Eventually MN will be just rich-white
libs in their own playground with
ready made (welfare) slaves.
Could this be what they wanted all
along?
SteveOfTheNorth | 03.27.08 - 5:52 am | #

"Are those the same jobs that the high taxes and high crime have driven out of the state? " I know a number of people at companies here in town who have high paying jobs they want to fill. They cannot find the right candidates locally so are recruiting from out of state and bringing those people in.

"So,you would support removing ALL
people from Gov't aid>? " Do you people have any idea what removing all people from government aid would do to the economy? Do you seriously think Americans would allow their fellow citizens to starve to death?

Are there cheats in the system? Yes -- get rid of them. But to paint all people on government aid as worthless, lazy, criminals not only shows a complete lack of compassion but ignores the fact that the vast majority on aid need it to survive.

And Kermit really should show some god dam humility as a recent recipient of government aid.
Al Gore | 03.27.08 - 8:03 am | #

They cannot find the right candidates locally so are recruiting from out of state and bringing those people in.

Have you ever thought about why s/he can't find the right people?

Could it be because educated people, who want to keep more of what they earn, are leaving?

I was in a seminar yesterday where I was talking to a number of different purchasing managers from many different companies, and there were a few who said they are looking for places OUTSIDE MN to produce their goods because of the increasing costs that MN is seeing that other states are not.


...complete lack of compassion but ignores the fact that the vast majority on aid need it to survive.

While I agree that the broad stroke of the brush isn't proper, there are two problems with what you have said. First of all, we CAN'T get rid of the cheats in the system because we can't seem to get any meaningful welfare reform done in this state. Secondly, aid needed to survive should have a limit. You should never be allowed to be dependent on government to survive for longer than a couple of years during your entire life.
Brent | 03.27.08 - 8:29 am | #

I think those who could fill those jobs have gone to other states where they don't subsidize the riff raff. I say riff raff because welfare doesn't discriminate; truly needed and scammers alike can get it. But just like what some say there are wealthy people who take advantage of tax breaks to shelter their money, the riff raff take advantage of what is offered by the state.

Eduacation is there for the taking.
The problem doesn't lie within the resources; those resources are there. Getting those students to the school house door is the challenge and once they are there, it is trying to keep the riff raff appeased at the expense of those who want to learn.
Magpie | 03.27.08 - 8:35 am | #

And Kermit really should show some god dam humility as a recent recipient of government aid.
You know the five of you combined don't quite manage a complete intellect? We have explained (repeatedly) and you have failed to understand (repeatedly) that unemployment is insurance funded by work the recipient did based on the wage he was earning.
Comparing it to food stamps is idiotic.
Kermit | Homepage | 03.27.08 - 8:51 am | #

When I was about eight, my parents divorced. The old man was a drunk and mostly worthless. My mom applied for AFDC. We got help with the rent and recieved surplus foodstuff like peanut butter, cheese etc. My mom, being a woman with some pride took advantage of the school assistance offered. She worked a fairly low paying job during the day and went to school at night. She worked her ass off to become self sufficient. There were four of us still at home then. She continued her education even after getting off the welfare and did pretty well for herself. See, she was ashamed to take what she considered charity and refused to sit on her ass and whine about her problems. She resolved to deal with the realities before her. She did what she needed to do to take care of us on a short term basis by taking the welfare but saw that long term she needed to do more to improve her lot in life. That's the way the system should work. A person, willing to help themselves, gets a hand up and in turn becomes a taxpaying worker. Dependency on gov't subsistance for life is nothing short of slavery and advocating it is an evil and despicable thing. I've seen with my own eyes what a person can do if they have the pride and ambition to improve themselves.
pig/dog | 03.27.08 - 10:09 am | #

"Do you people have any idea what removing all people from government aid would do to the economy? Do you seriously think Americans would allow their fellow citizens to starve to death?"

Nope, we wouldn't. That is why this country has a long history of supporting charities to help those in need... Well Obama would let them starve, & so would the real Al Gore, both of whom have long standing records of giving less than 2% of their large incomes to charities. Charitable deductions include money put into the church basket passed around on Sundays too. For all the crap we hear about these men being generous men of faith, the evidence for that case just doesn't play out.

Private charity is the best mechanism for sorting out the cheats, and ensuring that the worthy recipient has the tools they need to better their situation. Private charity benefits when donators see how effective the charity is in putting people back on their feet, and donate more money to the worthy cause.

A large government bureaucracy benefits from keeping people dependent on their services, & cheaters only add to that number. There is no incentive in the government welfare program to remove the cheaters, or improve the status of the needy; only incentive to put as many people as possible on the welfare rolls to justify the existence of the program that employs & empowers the bureaucrat.

There is no compassion in government, only power, corruption & lies.
Dennis | Homepage | 03.27.08 - 11:28 am | #

"that unemployment is insurance funded by work the recipient did based on the wage he was earning." Kermie you need a basic lesson in how insurance works.

Insurance is a contract in which the insured (employers) pay a small amount (premiums) in return for the insurer (the state/insurance companies) paying a larger amount in the form of unemployment benefits. If the insurance company cannot pay out all the benefits it owes (and this happens), the state steps in as guarantor.

So, all the companies that pay unemployment premiums and never lay anyone off subsidize those who do. Premiums never equal the potential benefits paid out. And the state guarantees those benefits.

And pig/dog -- no one, including liberals disagree with that premise. Welfare is supposed to be a safety net only. But there are a lot of people who, despite their best efforts, never rise above poverty -- they are uneducated, disabled, you name it. They need the help. Get rid of the cheats but the cheats, despite the picture you all paint, are a minority in the system.
Al Gore | 03.27.08 - 11:39 am | #

But there are a lot of people who, despite their best efforts, never rise above poverty -- they are uneducated, disabled, you name it.

I simply don't buy this. I think that there are way more cheaters in the system than you think that there are...probably because I don't believe that because you have chosen to be uneducated that you are entitled to my money.

Education is out there for those who what to take advantage of it...just like jobs. The fact that you make the choice to be a leach on society should not be mine, nor society's problem.
Brent | 03.27.08 - 11:48 am | #

Welfare has become a way of life for many, passed on to the next generation. This must be stopped. The culture that thinks they are owed by society must be changed, and it will be a painful thing to do.
pig/dog | 03.27.08 - 11:52 am | #

Premiums never equal the potential benefits paid out.

The unemployment fund is running a surplus. The premius are weighed by industry and company record. I pay a very low rate while construction companies pay a much higher rate.
Il Duce' | Homepage | 03.27.08 - 11:54 am | #

But there are a lot of people who, despite their best efforts, never rise above poverty -- they are uneducated, disabled, you name it. depends on how you define "a lot".

One study looked at people in poverty and then checked on them 10 years later. Only 5% were still in poverty. The other 95% moved up the income ladder.

Poverty is usually a temporary state. Welfare seeks to make it permanent, along with an army of social workers and non-profit loser who make thier living off of the poor.
Il Duce' | Homepage | 03.27.08 - 11:58 am | #

"The unemployment fund is running a surplus. The premius are weighed by industry and company record. I pay a very low rate while construction companies pay a much higher rate." And that is the way it should be, assuming layoffs are not wide spread. If companies in Minnesota start laying people off en masse, that surplus will quickly dissapear.
Al Gore | 03.27.08 - 12:12 pm | #

Kermie you need a basic lesson in how insurance works.
And you need a basic lesson in how arrogance works.
Kermit | Homepage | 03.27.08 - 1:07 pm | #

Who you kiddin'?
The shmuck has arrogance down pat.
maxx | Homepage | 03.27.08 - 3:47 pm | #

"And you need a basic lesson in how arrogance works." You're a god teacher.
Al Gore | 03.27.08 - 8:33 pm | #

Okay, the article "The Minnesota Quality of Life" is honestly very poorly writen, as in it's super biased. Obviously, I do live in Minnesota, but it is one of the most beautiful places I have ever been too. (I have been to 39 states) and i chose to move to Minnesota from Texas because i was really impressed how well everyone treated to each other. For example, random strangers smile at you as your walking down the street. That tiny smile gives you a sense of purpose. Also, there is a lot of different colored races, but it does depend on what town or area your in. Some towns are about 98% white, and others is an equal mixed amount of verity.

Plus the winter is freezing cold and unbearble, but the summer is honesly worth it all
marissa | 01.17.09 - 7:31 pm | #

Ahhhhh, the Al-Viathan has finished licking the sleep out of each of the heads eyes after the Bama-Buzz started to wear off, multiple posts under multiple names in a flurry of rapid fire nerf darts...how long before the veiled and not-so-veiled threats come out of the bad-medicine bag?
harlan k. | 01.17.09 - 8:28 pm | #

Read the timestamps, H.
Kermit | Homepage | 01.17.09 - 9:04 pm | #

marissa, couldn't agree more from what I've read, the only problem is that with Minnesota "Nice" comes the backstabbing issues. People talk shit behind peoples back way past high school. Sometimes there is something to be said for telling someone to fuck off and leave you alone or that you just don't like them (I just did, great sense of self-satisfaction, I'll give you all one hint on who it was, think about it) it does a body good, seriously I read it in a medical journal somewhere.
Ben | Homepage | 01.17.09 - 9:09 pm | #

Rapid comparative to the post election span, Kermit. They must be warming for a volley in the near future. A teat offensive as it may be...
harlan k. | 01.17.09 - 9:27 pm | #