Crap, I clean forgot. Read that quote a number of times.
"No woman should be authorized to stay at home to raise her children. Society should be totally different. Women should not have that choice, precisely because if there is such a choice, too many women will make that one."
Simone de Beauvoir? I just went to a father's rights website here:
http://www.fathers.bc.ca/
feminis...nist_quotes.htm
http://www.fathers.bc.ca/
I'm looking up Simone de Beauvoir - I'm sorry, Nate...
http://www.trincoll.edu/depts/ph...s/
beauvoir.html
'No doubt born of the confusion and madness of WWII, De Beauvoir included in her Ethics Sartre's ontology of being-for-itself and being-in-itself. She also draws heavily on his conception of human beings as creatures who are free. Freedom of choice, humanity's utmost value, is the criterion for morality and immorality in one's acts. Good acts increase one's freedom, while bad ones limit that freedom.
No doubt, her linkage to Sartre was the reason that she received the unwanted title of existentialist. Among other things, she also was an anti-colonialist, publicly criticising France's position in Algiers, a pro-abortionist and a socialist with Marxist sympathies.'
Rock on darlin'. I knew I could count on ya.
How dare women make the choice to be wives and mothers!
What fools. Do they not see how this crap leads to the death of society? We're seeing it now, in the demographics numbers in western Europe, the US, Canada, Japan...we're not having as many children as the rest of the world, and many of those children are not getting enough parenting b/c both parents work...
argh!
And both parents wouldn't *have to* work if so many women hadn't joined the workforce in the first place...it completely screwed our economy up.
I'm playing devil's advocate here:
What does the non-working spouse contribute to the household if she doesn't work? Do they become moochers? Does housework count? And child rearing (since both parents should be responsible for that)?
I don't think anyone here is saying, or would say, that the person not working outside the home is not contributing. Housework and child rearing both count a big deal. Both parents are responsible for child rearing, but obviously the one parent who is with the children on his/her own will have a bigger role in this. (Bigger as in more time consuming, not bigger as in more important...my dad traveled a lot when I was young and was gone from home 5 days out of 7 but his role was just as important as my mother's.)
Hey, does anyone else ever notice BlogSpot's targeted banner ads for Nate's and Vox's pages? Today on this one there is one to "Catch Your Husband...install a GPS device on his car!"...I just think it's funny.
Speaking from my own experience, my stay-at-home wife supports me, much like a pit crew.
Even though she doesn't bring in any green money (spends it like water she does), her domestic efforts allow me to work a fierce schedule sometimes. I can then come home to a hot homemade meal and clean clothes and paid bills and good kids -- all things that might slip otherwise. (They'd slip all to hell if it was my responsibility and she worked, that's for sure.)
I could never do what I do w/o a stay-at-home wife and mom on my team, never. True home-makers are today's unsung heroes, I'm proud of them all. (That means you too Nate. )
Well, wouldn't society be better if it was illegal for women to enter the workforce, vote, etc.?
Isn't that the main reason our society is as screwed up as it is these days? Women having too much freedom? And not being mothers and wives only like they were intended to be?
Women also tend to vote for left wing politicans and we get these huge social programs and higher taxes as well.
That may be an oversimplification of course.
Anon...
Nothing ever get's better by surrendering great power to a central authority other than God.
I think maybe you're going a bit far there. If you oppress a group, they will rise up and revolt...I'm sure most of the men here whose wives are homemakers would say that their wives CHOSE that role. Do you really think if women were forced to do it without any other alternatives, they would be as happy?
Anon -
If you want to look at a society that does that currently, try looking at Saudi Arabia, or Afganistan under the Taliban, or Iran, or....you get the idea. Now, do you really wanna go down that road??
In my post, I meant "work outside the home" not just "work". Of course at-home mothers/wives work! Duh! So do at-home dads/husbands like Nate.
The term Feminazi is an insult to the national socialist party.
How to channel gifts and talents not being used in child-rearing and managing household? Guys, in what ways and which avenues do you prefer your wives or future wives to use her gifts and talents? Freelance, part-time, volunteer? Are your wives or girlfriends open to your guiding of the stewardship of the resources (money, time, talents, skills, energies, interests, ministry callings)?
Any additional suggestions for us future wives in training?
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