I loved the story this week about the school that wouldn't let the kids celebrate Halloween because it might offend the witches. WTF?
Don't tell Bane, but on Christmas we have a birthday cake for Jesus.
Of course.. bane will point out that the witches weren't REALLY offended...
because you know...the KNOW... they know that they are secretly getting their claws into our children!
It's the plan!!!
MWAHAHAHA!!!
Like my dad says, "It's all just another excuse ta get drunk 'n' watch football."
I don't like my daughter trick or treating because it is teaching her to beg and ask for handouts, IMHO.
hrmm... yet the democrats and liberals seek to limit trick or treating by placing various regulations on it at the city level..
Cutting off their nose to spite thier face.
yet the democrats and liberals seek to limit trick or treating by placing various regulations on it at the city level
Oh come on Nate, we can't have individuals giving stuff to other individuals! Just think if it spreads! OMG!! The horror!
Next thing you know people will be giving hungry people food and stuff, then what would we do!
heheehe
well said.
Halloween is the perfect liberal holiday. You teach kids that begging for what they want entitles them to take goodies from anyone living near them, and they get to employ scare tactics to do it. It is perfect training for the young up and coming democrat.
Halloween was fun when I was a kid and its fun for kids now. The candy manufactures haven’t found a way to put fairy dust into the candy and turn kids into real life hedonistic devil worshipers. That’s the job of your local public school.
Xmas is and always was a shopping holiday. It was dreamed up as a way to increase sales in the winter by London shop keepers. The mass part of it was never that big of a deal b/c it was just part of the church calendar.
"Don't tell Bane, but on Christmas we have a birthday cake for Jesus."
That's pretty cool SB, never thought about that one. Might take that idea...
As much as I love Peeps they really should not appear at Halloween, only Easter. Halloween belongs to candy corn and bite size snickers!
Further Mentioning of the Satan Peep will be dealt with harshly.
I'll probably get all shot up over this post. This argument on Halloween reminds me of Paul's passage on eating meat offered to idols in I Cor. 8:7-13. Nate, since Bane hates the whole Halloween experience, why annoy your christian brother about it?
Of course, I'll let you and Bane settle on who's the weaker one in Christ.
Welcome Bfriend13... thanks for stoppin' by.
As for you question...
well... Why does a fish swim in water? Because that's what it was made to do.
I'll start complaining about Christmas only if they take my two days off away. 
As for Halloween, I give Satan a LOT more credit than to accuse him of using this silly, commercialized evening to steal souls. I mean, the whole thing is about a sneaky as a hammer in the head. I think he does his best work late at night, when you can't sleep and you're worrying about money or the kids or your job.
he's good then....
but I think he saves his best work for European Parliments.
And, the customer service staff at any wireless telephone provider.
That's the biggest problem Christians have is, they don't know how to choose their battles.
Lets not focus solely on cleaning up one or two aspects we think are hurting society, we'll go after everything at once, and we'll put holidays we don't like at the front.
I don't understand what the religious context of this holiday is. If there's no religious context, how could it even be satanic if we wanted it to be? How is it different than going to a costume party or whatever? Or are those evil too?
Can someone explain this to me?
Since you have invoked me, I will comment. I have not read the other comments, and probably won't.
Nate, you ignorant slut. You posit that Christ was born on the solstice holiday that the papists turned into Christmas. You are wrong. Christ was born in the Spring, during lambing time.
You state that the worship and practice of the occult among children and teens is minimal. You are blind, stupid, and wrong.
You infer that spending large amounts of money, and that the majority does it, makes it right. Unbelievable.
You, bizzarrly equate Santa with Christianity.
I give up. You are beyond logic, beyond belief, and even if I cared to, beyond my help.
God, I love to watch grown men fight... getting all sweaty and righteously indignant and stuff.
Bane..
I said none of those things. Clearly the fruit flies have gone to your head.
Nate, it wasn't the fruit flies. I think Bane has been mistaking Potter's Gin for holy water again.
No Satan uses pretty little gothic girls in mini skirts with red tales that fall about a foot below the skirt and cute little horns on their heads, and go after guys named christopher. while sitting at the computer, you nincompoops.
Christ was born in the Spring, during lambing time.
While I hate to jump in the middle of a fight between armed men, this begs to be answered.
Bane, while I agree with your basic premise, you're wrong on this one small point. Christ's birthday celebration should be held on Dec 25th. To begin with, the Joos kept lambs in the field all year long for their sacrifices. But, anyway, here's the short version (since Nate is too cheap to pay for long posts);
When the temple was destroyed in 70 A.D. the course of Jehoiarib was serving. The priestly service was unbroken from Zecharias to the destruction of the temple, thus, the course of Abijah served in the first week of October. Early Christian writers (John Chrysostom, 347-407) taught that Zecharias received the message about John’s birth on Atonement, which falls in September or October. This would place John the Baptist’s birth in June or July, and the birth of Jesus six months later, in late December.
Thanks Bill... but I'm not going to bother with Bane's retort. I mean... I'm not even sure he read what I wrote... because he certainly didn't address it.. he just addressed what he thought I wrote.
I think as Christians we are to hold our brothers and sisters accountable for their actions. Bane believes these things to be wrong so he is correct in pointing them out, which he has done. He doesn't require anyone to believe as he does. He's just pointing out something he sees as wrong. We are all allowed our opinions and at least Bane is consistant with his distaste for the holidays, which is more than I can say for many Christians who object to Halloween, but happily put up a Christmas tree and dye Easter eggs.
Bill,
"John Chrysostom, 347-407) taught that Zecharias received the message about John’s birth on Atonement, which falls in September or October. This would place John the Baptist’s birth in June or July, and the birth of Jesus six months later, in late December."
While thats interesting, it doesn't prove anything other than what that person believed. Since the Bible doesn't speak to the date, it could be anytime.
It doesn't bother me that folks use dec 25, but its more a tradition than a historic fact.
Bah. there are plenty of real problems to worry about.
Like Peeps for example.
“Bane believes these things to be wrong so he is correct in pointing them out,”
Maybe.
In the time I’ve known Bane he has:
Come out in favor of porn
Been caught lying
Likes to degrade and insult people
Shows himself as anything except moral
Given his character I think I’ll hold off on believing that claim to be Christian and not worry too much about his views on holidays keeping Christians from being righteous.
Please pass the candy corn.
You've never 'known me', and you've never 'caught me lying'. What does it take to be the only person who remains on my banned list?
Excellent...
I can always count on VHRPF to have my back.
I'm still shocked that my Colonization post didn't enlist rabid praise from Bane...
I figured at the very least a broken clock reference was in the bag...
It doesn't bother me that folks use dec 25, but its more a tradition than a historic fact.
Dec 25th became tradition because it's historic fact.
Reading the first few chapters of Luke, we see that everything is timed from when Zacharias was in the temple, as indicated above, this was in early October. That would place the likely time of John the Baptist's conception toward the end of October or early November. This is based on his week of service, his ritual cleansing time, and assuming he got right down to business with Elisabeth (if an angle told me I was going to have a kid, I'd expect things to move right along).
So, Elisabeth then hid herself for five months. In the beginning of April, the angel appeared to Mary. Let's call the date April 1. A normal gestation period of 270 days puts the birth of Jesus on Dec. 25, right in accord with all the dates and "tradition".
The Mishnah says each course served a week during the first half of the year, the three festival weeks, and a week during the last half of the year, - a total of five weeks for a normal year.
Count weeks from the first Sabbath of Nisan (approx. March), Zacharias would have served;
Week 3 Feast of the Unleavened
Week 9 Pentecost (65 days after Nisan 14)
Week 10 (2 festivals + 8 courses)
Week 29 Tishri festival of booths
Week 35 (24 courses + 3 feasts + 8 courses)
Week 35 is sometime in October or November. However, there are problems with the calendar translation with extra months getting thrown in, arguments about when exactly new moons happen, etc etc. Fortunately, Zacharias was serving during the Day of Atonement, which is easier to peg to a date. The Day of Atonement is the nineteenth day of Tischri, which falls in September/October. After the dust settles, you get the first week in October as the most likely date that Zacharias had his visit.
Looking at Scripture (Sola Scriptura!) indicates that Zechariah was in the Holy of Holies as he was alone. Thumbing through relevant Scripture says Zechariah had his visit during the Day of Atonement. The only time someone was in his particular situation, as described in Luke, was during the Day of Atonement.
Luke 1:9 "he was chosen by lot, according to the custom of the priesthood, to go into the temple of the Lord and burn incense."
Luke 1:21 "Meanwhile, the people were waiting for Zechariah and wondering why he stayed so long in the temple."
Looking at what happens during the Day of Atonement;
Leviticus 16:12-13 "He is to take a censer full of burning coals from the altar before the LORD and two handfuls of finely ground fragrant incense and take them behind the curtain. He is to put the incense on the fire before the LORD, and the smoke of the incense will conceal the atonement cover above the Testimony, so that he will not die."
“You've never 'known me', and you've never 'caught me lying'. What does it take to be the only person who remains on my banned list?
True, I don’t know you personally. I’ve just read your posts and some of your blog.
As far as being banned go back and read your reasons why. You lied, I gave you plenty of opportunity to prove yourself and you accused me of being boring and you claimed to have had sex with my mother. Please Bane show me the error of my ways.
Getting banned from “Bane Rants” is like getting banned from Gay Pride Day at Disney World because you’re straight. Some how I’ll get over it.
Well, this is much more exciting than watching the news.
Bill...
Nicely done.
Bill,
This may surprise you, but I have read several theories on the date of Christ’s birth and why some think it’s on Dec 25. Like I said, I’ve got no problem with folks who want to believe that.
I don’t believe it because the Bible gives no date and you’re dating theory, while interesting, depends on assumptions not in evidence in the Gospels. I don’t see this as a salvation or any other type of issue, other than some Christians want to celebrate Christ’s birth as an event. While I may have a reputation for arguing about religion, I have no desire to chew this apart. If you have Xmas as a religious holiday, ok by me, same if just do the Santa thing or if you don’t celebrate it at all.
Boys play nice. I'm not saying I believe Bane is correct in his attitude about the holidays, but he is entitled to his opinion. I pointed out what I saw as hypocrisy regarding demons and whatnot and his being a fan of horror movies with said demons and whatnot. We all have our own issues.
You know in the good ol' days they could just shoot at each other...
Now that would be more fun than watchin' the news!
While I certainly enjoy celebrating Christmas (I like that we are now entering into the part of the year I refer to as the eating holidays), I'm not a Christian who only goes to church two sundays a year or think about Christ one day a week so it's largely irrelevant to my belief system, but certainly a nice time to spend with family and another good excuse for me to buy things and do nice things for people I care about.
Now, to that end I have some knitting to do so I will check back on you all later. Do try to play nice.
SB,
Yes mom.
knitting... She's off to knit... Unbelievable.
Echo what SB just said. I stop in to see what's up with everyone, and there's fighting among the locals!
As for Christmas, Halloween, etc., I was raised to not celebrate them because my father thinks they go against the teachings of Christ; however, I was never sure how I felt personally. Now, I participate in them because Chris's family does, and I really don't see anything wrong with it. I'm with Res that Dec 25th probably isn't the date - none of the evidence I've seen to this point ensures me of it one way or another.
CONT
Besides, it's when the Romans celebrated the Winter Solstice, which is where we get the Xmas tree tradition. Anyway, as I understand it, the Romans that became Christians didn't want to give up their big holiday, so they incorporated it into their Christianity. But I think that whether you celebrate it or not doesn't make or break you as a Christian.
But don't skip Thanksgiving, NAte. We need to have lots of good bloggin' about the food - another thing I agree with SB about, I love these eating holidays!
Oh... don't you fret over Thanksgiving...
I shall address the bird in most carefull and complete manner. Though I'm liable to leave the other fixin's to you girls.
RKJ, I mean no offense, but saying that the early Christians adopted the winter solstice makes no sense. It would be like the Jews adopting Reichkristallnacht as one of their main religious days just so any Nazis they were trying to convert wouldn't feel bad. (BTW, winter solstice is not Dec 25th, and it's not likely they'd make a mistake of that magnitude, I mean, for crying out loud it's off by almost a week)
you’re dating theory, while interesting, depends on assumptions not in evidence in the Gospels.
Such as???
It's based on extraordinarily well documented historical events (the destruction of the Temple) and Gospel accounts, which are all in agreement. What more do you want?
I love the holidays. Halloween- no big deal, but the kids love to dress up. But Thanksgiving and Christmas are divine. They also give us a chance to express our gratitude. For everything. I love Christmas. I wouldn't say the gift-giving is biblical, but the wise men did give gifts to Jesus.
I would have to go with RJK- the food is the next best thing about the holidays. It's not quite as fun when you don't have any family around, but still-- the Kahlua cheesecake, pies, sage stuffing-- it's a good thing I detest Atkins. Giving up carbs is for the birds!
Evil is felt not seen, you can go to all the haunted houses in the world and see the gore and fake blood. That is not evil. However, evil can appear anywhere at any time, and what better place than at a haunted house, I personally don't recomend them.
If you have ever felt pure evil around you know what i'm talking about. A big burly guy in a dark alley holding a knife to your throat can't even come close to the feeling of pure evil. Now that is Hell and for whom it awaits, they have not known fear.
Now
Off to do my knitting. I'm knitting a noose for my neighbors cat.
Bill, I misspoke, or mistyped. It was the celebration of the Sun God that took place on December 25th. His name was Sol, I think, which is why I got it confused in my little girl pea brain.
And before I get jumped on by any lurking fems for saying that, chill. I've had a lingering migraine for over a week, so I'm a little off.
Anyone here ever looked into the seven feasts of Israel? They were all prophetic of Christ. Passover was his death, the feast of Unleavened bread was his Burial, First Fruits was his ressurection, etc. They were always celebrated on the same day (in advance) of the event they prohphesied.
the feast that celebrates his birth is the feast of Tabernacles, which takes place in late September.
Of course the Jews didn't/don't realise this.
Also, Mary & Joseph went to Bethlehem for a census, which the Romans would never do in the middle of winter because people had to travel for it. There's no way you'll convince me Christ was born at the end of December.
As for Halloween, let your kids go trick-or-treating if you want, my kids will stay home. If they want candy, I'll go to Target and buy some.
I did two posts on my blog about Halloween yesterday here and here and another a year ago here.
Bill,
I tried to play nice and let it go with a simple “I disagree”. I’ll type up a rebuttal that will be too long for the post. If this really that important to you email me and I’ll send it to you.
I see Satan's hand far more in this one thread - full of name-calling, verbal punches and general nastiness - than I do in a holiday that has been reduced to kids begging for candy and adults drinking too much.
RJK,
Is everything OK? Not to suggest anything, but I got those at the beginning of every pregnancy.....
RJK, I hope you are feeling better. I get migraines too. Some are more bearable than others - the worst are the ones that cause you to puke and you can't really focus on a coherent thought for at least three days.
bufelda - too funny! I got them much more often in the first trimester, but only with the girlies.
Nate, What on earth is wrong with knitting?!?! I thought you of all people would appreciate a woman doing that sort of thing.
I will now toddle off to get more ice for my eye in hopes that it won't swell too much. Stupid vizsla.
OK RES
Christs birth and death the text from Rome, See if Vox can translate this one. hehehe:
He gar prote parousia tou kyriou hemon he ensarkos [en he gegennetai] en Bethleem, egeneto [pro okto kalandon ianouarion hemera tetradi] Basileuontos Augoustou [tessarakoston kai deuteron etos, apo de Adam] pentakischiliosto kai pentakosiosto etei epathen de triakosto trito [pro okto kalandon aprilion, hemera paraskeun, oktokaidekato etei Tiberiou Kaisaros, hypateuontos Hrouphou kai Hroubellionos.
SB,
What did your dog do? I wish I could knit, but only learned to crochet, which I never use. Maybe someday....
bufelda - I leaned over to pet him at the exact same moment he decided to toss his head up and caught perfectly under the eye, right on the bone. I'm just thankful it wasn't the Ridgeback or I'd likely be on my way to the hospital for x-rays - she has a head like a tank.
I love knitting. I'm in the process of some funky scarves for a couple of friends and some baby hats for some new babies in my circle - those are the most fun.
does it really matter when Christ's birthday was? can't we just celebrate it whenever? the fact that it is most commonly done on dec. 25 seems irrelevant to me. celebrating the birth of the Savior seems more important that quarreling over the actual date.
Joy, I like to celebrate our Saviour's birth and all, but do I feel it is important? Not in the least. Was it miraculous, certainly, but there are many miracles in the Bible we don't celebrate. Easter, now there is an event to celebrate since our salvation is depentant on its having taken place. I'm with you on the date. Completely irrelevant. My family "celebrates" Christmas, on day when we can all be together. Last year it was in March, because that was when we could all be home together.
does it really matter when Christ's birthday was?
Yes and no. Of course it makes no difference to our salvation, the important thing is to realize that Christ was in fact born, actually lived, died, and rose again.
The point of discussing the date is that it's often used as an oblique attack on Christianity, that is, saying that Christianity has such-and-such a pagan tie, it's really just an outgrowth of paganism, or Christians were going for political power, so they co-opted various pagan/local religions, etc etc. There are good reasons for being able to defend the date of Dec 25th, and the sad thing is that most Christians just blithely assume that we (Christians) really did co-opt a pagan holiday. The truth of the matter is that the Dec 25th date really seems to be accurate.
SB, i took it to mean that nate thinks you are amazing....you even knit!
Bill, no matter how much you want to deny, but there are corrupt "Christians" who have used the religion to gain. To me, when you start debating things like this it turns Christianity into a religion rather than a belief for salvation and whatnot.
Gregg,
I realize that the RCC is primarily responsible for the tradition of Dec 25. That doesn’t bother me at all. I also don’t care if folks celebrate Christmas, my family does. I just think that the Bible doesn’t teach us which day it is, or that we have to do it as a religious observation.
On the Latin I could only make some of it out, care to translate it for us?
I don't think God cares if you have a 'celebration' or what day you celebrate it on. Obviously celebrating Christmas and Easter isn't pertinent to your salvation. We celebrate them both, because we are grateful for Christ's birth. It allowed for his death and resurrection, whereby our salvation was afforded. I would certainly hope that no one would be so Pharisaical as to say "I'm glad I celebrate on the right day, unlike those pagans." God rejoices in our praises, regardless of the day.
Joy, et al, I am like the widow, or the little drummer boy. I don't have much to sacrifice to Him, but this I do. It was difficult for me to give up Halloween, and satanic metal music, but my heart was troubled to do so, so I do. I think my reasoning is sound. Sorry if you felt like I was guilt-tripping you.
Bill and Res:
Both of you provided some inerrsting info. Food for thought.
Personally, I believe the holidays are what you make them. I'm not a big fan of Halloween, but I like Christmas and Easter. And my family celebrates these two holidays as times for worshipping God. Are they commercialized? Absolutely. Too materialistic? Yep. But whether they are bad or good, depends upon the reasoning behind observing them. Not trying to be relativistic, here.
As for Bane's and others' views who disagree, I respect their opinions. If they feel that celebrating those holidays is giving in to paganistic practices, then I salute them for going against the grain and standing on principle, even if I don't entirely agree.
On a side note: SB and Gregg, good luck w/ your knitting endeavors.
Bane,
I think we all respect a person's own convictions. If you are convicted, then you should follow your conscience. Regardless of others' opinions.
care to translate it for us?
RES I would if I could, but here is the translation, not mine.
"For the first coming of Our Lord in the flesh [in which He has been begotten], in Bethlehem, took place [25 December, the fourth day] in the reign of Augustus [the forty-second year, and] in the year 5500 [from Adam]. And He suffered in His thirty-third year [25 March, the parasceve, in the eighteenth year of Tiberius Cæsar, during the consulate of Rufus and Rubellio]."
i don't feel guilt-tripped, believe me, i know what one feels like. i just didn't see a point.
Bane Opines "Sorry if you felt like I was guilt-tripping you."
I feel guilty for correcting your foul language, I feel guilty for not admonishing you when you wish someone dead, but Your relegious beliefs will never be a cause of my guilt, no offence bud. Paul was once Sol. I wouldn't worry about the details as much as the principals, but that's just me guy. And if you don't go to church because of of all the self righteous people, by all means stay away from the mall and politicians.
I feel guilty for correcting your foul language should read
I feel guilty for not correcting your foul language
offence = offense
Res. that's not Latin, its Greek. Maybe you will have better luck translating it now. Of course it's not a Biblical text, and Gregg doesn't tell us the author or the date so it doesn't mean too much.
Bill has at least one big flaw in his analysis. There is no way that Zacharias went into the Holy of Holies. While he was a priest, he was not the High Priest. Only the High Priest could go into the Holy of Holies, and only once a year (see Hebrews). Without that the rest of his dating scheme kind of falls apart. It was pretty tenuous anyway.
SB,
Joy's right darlin'. I meant it as a compliment.
Larry
You are briliant, it is neither Latin not italian, why do you think the hehehe was in orfer. Do you really want an author, would that satisfy you scepticism, of course not. Bah!
He gar prote parousia tou kyriou hemon he ensarkos [en he gegennetai] en Bethleem, egeneto [pro okto kalandon ianouarion hemera tetradi] Basileuontos Augoustou [tessarakoston kai deuteron etos, apo de Adam] pentakischiliosto kai pentakosiosto etei epathen de triakosto trito [pro okto kalandon aprilion, hemera paraskeun, oktokaidekato etei Tiberiou Kaisaros, hypateuontos Hrouphou kai Hroubellionos. -- (Comm. In Dan., iv, 23; Brotke; 19)
There's tour author, try to figurew that one out in your modern interpretation of biblical text. You have no idea what you just read, just as most og you takr for granted what you read in english. What a beautoful example Larry.
Larry
I apologize, no offense, please take none, I was proving a point, and I must say it worked quite well. I take the birth of Christ on 25 Dec. and his Crucifxion on 25 march. I have more reason than this text for blieing that. Don't take it personally, I have without doubt studied many things about Christ that have absolutly nothing to do with our salvation. They are just facts, and facts do not save us faith does. God bless you, and I do not wish to argue with you if it will cause contention among the breteren about this nonsense.
Go in peace
Gregg, no apology needed, "as iron sharpens iron to strength in the end, so one man strengthens another", and I might add the sharpening process does generate an occasional spark. As long the parties involved don't let the spark grow to a fire all is well.
I would guess you got your guote here . (about a third of the way down the page). It's actually a very good discussion on the date of the Nativity. It does not offer much support for the Dec. 25th date, however. The "good" parts in your guote above (the material in brackets) apparently dates from around the 10th century. The base quote is 3rd century, but it does not have the dates in it. The page also a nice discussion and critique of Bill's argument.
Res, sorry, I didn't mean for my comment above to be as smart-assed as it looks to me now. I guess I should have put in a smiley. 
(Does Nate even have them on?) Again, my apologies.
Larry,
No big deal, I dish it out, so I should take it. I recognized about 6 words out of the whole text, most of which were cognates. I’ve studied a little Greek, Hebrew and Latin but I can’t read the stuff. Mostly I can look the words up in Thayer’s or Strong’s and compare usage.
I raised one of my concerns with Bill’s explanation for the Dec 25 date privately in an email. Bill is trying to defend Christmas as a legitimate event and his apologetics are towards that end as much as towards establishing a specific date. Don’t hold it against him he’s a good guy explaining his faith as he sees it. I admire that.
I raised EX 30:1-8 as a rebuttal for the Yom Kipper based timeline to show that incense was burned daily as required by law. No other Biblical evidence exists (that I know of) to support Zachariah as high priest or that he was inside the Holy of Holies.
Stepping out on a limb here, Bane I don't think you particularly made anyone feel guilty and blogging is a great way to get one's ideas out there and test the strength of your argument. My personal opinion is that because this was such a stronghold in your previous life it is important for you to stay away from any aspects of celebrating Christianity that you percieve (rightly or wrongly which is what this whole thread is trying to figure out) as pagan or having pagan ties. Much the same way that some alcoholics preach against anyone drinking. And I also applaud you for going against the grain as it were, for your beliefs. Not an easy thing to do in this particular culture.
Classy SB. I still think he's a prick though.
Buffy - No! I actually used to get migraines a lot more often than I do now, when I was younger...this is my first in probably 5 years. It was debilitating for a couple of days and then I went to the doctor and got a shot which didn't help and some pills which have made it bearable. I'm taking less pills now than I was earlier in the week, so hopefully in a day or two it will be all gone. Thankfully, it has NOT been one of the ones with the puking, etc.
I'm sorry Rebekah... that sucks darlin'.
RJK,
Do you ever take Imitrex? My brother takes it for his migraines and says it works well. I know there are different kinds, but that's nasty. Hope you feel better!
bufelda - my mom takes Imitrex and it works for her too. It doesn't make them go away entirely, but it makes them bearable for her.
I feel terrible for people who have to deal with this on a regular basis. Just bad headaches let alone migraines are nearly debilitating to me.
There's just too much stress in everybody's lives.
I've never tried it but it's because I don't have them often enough (thankfully) to need it...usually people who take it suffer from them regularly, or at least a lot more often than I do.
The best thing for a bad headache, including most migraines, to me anyway, is a dark room, a cold, wet cloth on your forehead, and quiet.
Also, if you have any back or neck problems, or spend all day in one position, get thee to a chiropractor. (But make sure he or she is a good one.)
But anyway, thanks for the concern, and I feel pretty good today, so it should be gone completely within a day or two.
With all this talk of commercialized holidays no one has mentioned Valentine's Day.
JohnR, we like to pretend it doesn't exist.
JohnR, we like to pretend it doesn't exist.
You got that right!
[grumble] hall-mark holidays [grumble]
Like I need a reason to take Mrs Bill out to dinner, stupid made-up days just crowd up the restaurants.
Girls get V-Day... seems to me the men folk are missing out...
Why don't we get "Steak and a BJ Day"?
Rebekah, my wife gets migraines when she doesn't get enough sleep or is under stress (of course in the ER she never has either of those), and she uses Imitrex and swears by it. There are several other meds in the same family if it doesn't work for you. Check with your family doc and see if he has a sample for you to try. If it works, it's worth keeping a couple doses on hand just in case. It can reduce severity and duration of migraines. There's no need to suffer unnecessarily.
True enough. I'll ask him next time I see him.
Speaking of awful V-day: last year we went to Gatlinburg for weekend, simply because we had the time and wanted to go, not really thinking about Valentine's - the whole place was overcharging for hotels, etc. because it was a 'holiday weekend.' Certainly learned from that mistake.
ER papa? Shift work! That's a good way to go.
Pat your girl on the head for me.
I make it a point never to go out to dinner on Vday. Like Bill said, the restraunts are overcrowded, the waitstaff overworked and cranky. Who needs it. Besides, what are warm fires and good wine for if not a romantic evening with your sweetie?
The thing about taking Imitrex and most of the migraine meds are you really need to take them at the first sign of a migraine (for me it would be that terrible "aura" I see which basically blinds me for a about twenty minutes, for others it's a funny smell, whatever) for them to work at their best. I don't take them because I only get them a few times a year so I just suck it up and try to do the quiet, dark, sleep thing if possible.
Nate, she works small town ERs. It's nice because she can leave it behind when she leaves. No call, no rounds, and 12 12-hr shifts a month is full time. The commute sucks, but she's working for people who truly appreciate her.
BTW Nate, take it from someone who's been in bad work situations before. Pay CLOSE attention to the interpersonal relationships wherever Dr. Who considers for a practice. All it takes is one butthead in a practice to make it miserable for everyone. It doesn't even have to be a doc. A bad office manager can screw things up badly.
Point Taken Papa. Appreciate it.
SB...
We never go out on V-Day. I tend to buy julie a spa day, then make her dinner while she's gone... then it's wine in front of the fire...
Migraines?
You know, you could take white raisins and soak them in gin...hic!...
Nate, also watch the office staff. If they are dispirited, sullen, just going through the motions, if no one is smiling or happy, watch out. Dr. Who doesn't want to be there, and neither will you, no matter what the financial package.
Papa,
I've also been warned to steer clear of places where the wife of a staff member happens to be the office manager.
That kinda seems like common sense to me though....
Nice to have someone who's gone through it before though...
I'm more than a little shocked that the Steak and a BJ comment got no response.
My husband's a big fan of the Steak and a BJ Day proposal.
Finally! I get some support here! It's about time!
Though I admit... associating you with such things makes me a little uncomfortable....
I suppose I still think of you as that prudish highschool girl....
Guess ya got over that huh?
Steak and a BJ Day
Now THAT'S a Hallmark card I don't want to see.
Prudish? Really? Me?
Well... considering that I was probably judging you based on standards set by Bethany... who I'll grant you at times made Jenna Jameson seem prudish.
What IS it about girls named Bethany?
The reason I hate V-day is because it's the day that sucky men decide to make all their assinine behavior up to their wives or girlfriends by giving them flowers, chocolate, or whatever. And it is a total chick day, so I think it's unfair anyway, even if I am a girl.
I don't want to set aside this one day to be romantic - it should be more personal and spontaneous. And one day a year of candy and flowers does not a good relationship make. (Or one steak and bj day either). Those days should be as often as possible. And romance is in the little things anyway, more than grand gestures. A good foot rub during late night tv beats chocolate anyday. (Unless it's that time, and then bring on the chocolate.)
i'm single, so i don't really care for either holiday
Nate: "Girls get V-Day... seems to me the men folk are missing out...
Why don't we get 'Steak and a BJ Day'?"
Ehhhhh...isn't that almost any day? I mean, I would certainly hate to restrict it to just one day a year, hey?
Nate, one more thing about job hunting. ALWAYS get everything in writing. It doesn't matter what they say, if it isn't down on paper, it didn't happen. And have a lawyer who specialises in medical contracts vet the contract before you sign. It's worth the few hundred bucks it will cost.
>Steak and a BJ Day
Now THAT'S a Hallmark card I don't want to see.
It depends, if it's addressed to me I wouldn't mind seeing it. Provided it's er, tastefully written.
Nate's foolin us. He loves celebrating Kwaanza more than anything!
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