Gravatar Preach it brother! When I tell people how few colonists were actually pro-independence they scoff. They can’t seem to believe it wasn’t a majority.


Gravatar People see California as the world's fifth biggest economy, and that place is so far in debt and drowning in so much socialism it's a joke. Even Schwarzenegger refuses to peddle to the hispanic voters because he clearly sees how much damage Mexican illegals are doing to the state's finances. You know he doesn't see much hope for turning that debt mountain around when he doesn't play the games the Feds play with hispanic voters, or seeing an advantage in promoting better ties with the Mexican government through a more tolerant approach to illegals.

So imagine what the South could do with its own self-determination... it'd become the centre of responsible economic management and limited government. Eventually attracting the best businesses and becoming THE economic powerhouse of the world.

Shit, I'd move there.


Gravatar I'm still tryin' to figure wht you DON'T live here Jamie.
I know that you'd miss the sharks, crocodiles, and slthery things that are ALL capable of killing on a whim. But sheeesh you know more about the facts of the states than most of tyhe folks I know that DO live here.
Also knowing your political views are you not in danger of bein' imprisoned as a subversive by the lovely people of Sydney ?


Gravatar That was actually Lincoln's biggest fear. He knew we'd abolish tarriffs immediately, and he knew that that would send the harbors of the North to instant ruin. He knew that our lower taxes would bring business south, and he knew he'd be left with no tax base.


Gravatar He stays for the beer.


Gravatar Welldigger, more worried about that happening by the powers that be from Melbourne.

Sydney used to be the original colony of free-trade advocates, they were against the protectionism and socialism of the Victorian colony (the Victorians had a superiority complex, still do, seeing that it wasn't settled by convicts), but the Victorians won out and that's why Melbourne became the capital of Australia from 1901 to 1927 (the Sydney-siders never gave up, they still hate Melbourners with a passion to this day).

These days Sydney has become a cess-pool of 'multi-culturalism', and even the state government of NSW and the federal government see an urgent need to get new settlers to settle some place else. They all seem to want to settle in bloody Sydney. It's getting real bad there.


Gravatar 'These days Sydney has become a cess-pool of 'multi-culturalism','

Sounds like Canada...


Gravatar Nate,
I am with you 100% on this one.

This Texan is ready for it.


Gravatar I knew the number in favor of Independence was low, but I was under the impression that it was closer to 1/3 against, 1/3 for and 1/3 neutral.


Gravatar Actually VQ, it was pretty hard to find anyone who was neutral on the matter. It was 3/4 against.


Gravatar Better idea: kick the Left Coast and the northeastern states out and get on with life.


Gravatar Unfortunatly, Nate...you are right.
Like the rest of the country, the south of today has been talked out of its God-given right to self-determination and liberty, in exchange for collectivist socialism, via the government indoctrination machine and it's willing accomplices in the press. The more I read about it, the more convinced I grow the CSA was all that was left of the colonial federation of 1776...and the same forces that destroyed it from within are rotting the whole nation now!


Gravatar Ahhh yes ... multicultuarlism the popular terminology for NO culture.


Gravatar Okay, all this begs the question: what can we do to get from where we are to where we want to be?


Gravatar Ian,
We wait until it's time to start shootin', then we start shootin'. Shootin' early will result in a WACO like event that will only spawn more problems.


Gravatar Watch that Hillary when she gets power though Nate, she'll try and set up an incident like Waco so she can continue targetting the strongholds of bible-belt Southrons.


Gravatar God bless ya, Nate, another great non-pc post!




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