Gravatar He's back!!!!!!!!!!!!

Runnin' home now.....will catch up on my Natenick reading later this weekend.

Man, I need me a good soda. No liquids in the office, right now.


Gravatar "Pour ol' JAC's old lady won't let him drink at home... so he's probly sneakin' off to the barn to sip a little Turkey."

It's not my fault your inlaws like Russel's Reserve better than that swill you've been spamming.
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Gravatar "14) Shinedown: Simple Man"

Great song.


Gravatar Nate, I am emailing you a pic I took from my latest trip, thought you might appreciate it.


Gravatar Good playlist, needs more Metallica:

15) One
16) Enter Sandman
17) Devil's Dance
1 Master of Puppets
19) King Nothing
20) Fuel

There are others.


Gravatar Where the funky chicken dance did that smiley come from?

Oh the shame.


Gravatar Nate, your email is full, clean it out. Fun on a dial-up.

For those serious drinkers I give you the... Shooter Buddy.

"Shooter Buddy products reproduce 10 years of slow aging in seconds by exposing beverages to a powerful replication of the Earth's magnetic field."

http://www.sylves.com/shooterbud...buddy/ index.htm

Yeah, riiiiiight.


Gravatar hey now! i was walking home with pizza for you!!! then we kicked ass at Xbox...so you ain't that bad off!


Gravatar Believe it or not... it's 7:00pm on a Friday and I am not yet drunk.

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Pro 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
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Isa 5:22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
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Isa 56:11-12 Yea, they are greedy dogs [which] can never have enough, and they [are] shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter. Come ye, say they, I will fetch wine, and we will fill ourselves with strong drink; and to morrow shall be as this day, and much more abundant.
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I've never been drunk a day in my life. I'm not bragging but I just wanted to point out that it's possible and even probable that you could be causing a weak Christian brother or sister to stumble in sin by advocating drunkeness the way you do.

Sure, we're responsible for our own sins but...well, I'll just let you check the Bible yourself on that one.

All Hail Nate! Mighty man of Jesus!

...no wait.

All Hail Nate! Mighty man of booze!


Gravatar Killing in the Name Of is the only RATM song I'll listen to anymore. I got tired of those Latino pinko assholes about two years ago.


Gravatar Alrighty then, time for the Digger to chime in. This whole big ride thing is killin' me. I reckon' I'll be puffin' on a Carlos Torano Exodus 1959 and sippin' on some coffee from my new glass percolator tonight. Gotta work and all.

First off what happened to the stogies I sent with ya ?
Second you should add:
The Kidney Thieves - Black Bullet
to that playlist.
http:// kidney_thieves.letras.hos...ack_Bullet.html


Gravatar 'then we kicked ass at Xbox.'

Darlin Joy, I call that 'beatin' up dudes!'

Always an excellent finish to the day..*grins*...

Halo -

'where are you?'
'I'm beatin up dudes!'
'But I told you to cover my ass'
'These dudes need killing!'
'Ah, what are you doing? Quit shooting me!'

hahahaha...I love it! Joy, you should get Halo 2 (I think it is using the Playstation console, though)..you can choose a map, and have a jolly time killing each other! Three player is even better. Two of you can team up after one person, but then one of you could stab the other in the back! My brother did that to me once! I should have known the little sneak would do that. Never trust anyone. Rocks....and I just love going on a tank or a banshee. HEHEHEHE

I enjoy those vid games way too much.

Nate, you're cool.


Gravatar Difster... you're really startin' to bore the hell outta me.


Gravatar Difster - Book of Jamie, Verse 1:

"And then Jamie turned water into beer with his home-brew kit, and from it he did drinketh until he had dranketh enough, which was quite a few."


Gravatar Crystal, Halo 2 is xbox through and through - and the best reason to ever buy a microsoft product!


Long Live Master Chief!

btw nate, I'm hanging out for photo's of the King, post if u please.

laters..


Gravatar Post a pick of King? Yeah... we can do that.


Gravatar it's possible and even probable that you could be causing a weak Christian brother or sister to stumble in sin

Difster, I think you're misinterpreting what Paul's saying in Romans. Paul makes three main points;
1) We're not to bully or tease people into actually sinning (drinking is not sinning, eating food sacrificed to idols was a sin).
2) We are to be sensitive to other Christian's weaknesses.
3) We should not limit our actions based on what we think might offend someone or cause them to sin (contrary to what you said).

If someone thinks they're sinning by drinking, we should follow the example in Timothy and educate our Christian brothers and sisters about the Biblical stance on drinking. Namely, drinking is not only condoned, but commanded. There are more verses saying good things about drinking than bad things.

Read the instructions on tithing in Deuteronomy chapter 14 verses 22-27. Also note Psalms 104:15; "And wine that makes glad the heart of man, Oil to make his face shine, And bread which strengthens man's heart."

And why do you suppose Christ picked turning water into wine as his first miracle? Do you think it's significant?

Also, how are we supposed to perform the Holy Sacrament of Communion without wine?


Gravatar Bill:
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Namely, drinking is not only condoned, but commanded.
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I'm facinated to see where in the bible that is given? I teetotaled all the way through High School, but I do truly love a cold beer, and do indulge in the odd one now I'm at college.

My rule of thumb now is,
drink... but never get drunk!
and it seems to work fairly well, though i would appreciate some further education on the subject.


Gravatar I'm facinated to see where in the bible that is given?

I mentioned two instances; the Tithe in Deuteronomy 14:22-27, and Holy Communion.


Gravatar Bill and Nate, Since both of you seem to be experts on the subject maybe you would enjoy reading this.

http://www2.andrews.edu/~samuele...ooks/ wine_in_th


Gravatar Farmer Tom,
I've had many discussions with folks that try to make many of the same points that book tries to make. It's fiction. There was no such thing as grape juice until the mid 1800's. Grape juice turns into wine just sitting in a jar, there's nothing you can do to stop it, except cause it to turn into vinegar. Besides, note in the Tithe example that "strong drink" is specified. Scripture uses the exact same word to indicate wine that causes drunkenness and the wine used in offerings, tithes, and what Jesus commanded us to drink for Communion.

There is no where in Scripture where we are told to not drink. Ephesians says don't get drunk, it does not say don't drink.


Gravatar Bill, in light of your post, what was the first thing Nate said?


Gravatar what was the first thing Nate said?


That he was posting at 7:00pm on Friday.


Gravatar AND?


Gravatar And what? That's the first thing he said.

If you're referring to Nate's offhandedness about being "drunk", I'd suggest that Nate is probably rarely "drunk" by the Biblical standard, just a little tipsy and employs the aphorism "drunk" out of convenience and since it's meaning is fairly widly known in our common parlance. The Biblical standard, that employed by the Puritans and early Reformed church fathers, is that if you're too drunk to either remain seated on a bar-stool, or cannot intelligibly order another drink, then you're drunk. From Nate's wandering musings on this site, I'd say Nate very rarely gets drunk, but drinks fairly regularly.


Gravatar Way to justify drunkeness people.

I never said I had a problem with anyone drinking. I do it once in a while myself (I just don't get drunk).

Getting drunk is clearly a sin. Does the Bible specify what exactly drunk is? No.

Do you know if you're drunk? Of course you do.

There is also "avoiding the appearance of evil" that is to be considered, but that is highly subjective and difficult to apply.


Gravatar "Do you know if you're drunk? Of course you do."

Or at least you know you were drunk the next day.


Gravatar And if you're not sure your wife will be sure to tell you.


Gravatar or your new parole officer.


Gravatar What about dancin', what about watching movies in movie houses, what about women wearin' pants, what about men wearin' pink shirts, what about workin' on the Sabbath, what about women teachin' (adults) in church?

So many questions, too many answers.


Gravatar No problems w/ drinkin', here, though I don't do it myself. But I agree that getting drunk is wrong. The Bible's pretty clear on the subject.


Gravatar http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp...2400746_pf.html


Gravatar Nate, where are ya, buddy? We ain't seen enuff of ya aroun' here, lately.


Gravatar Well then let's all use the holy breathalyzer. What's the Bible's legal BAC? "If any man bloweth more than a .08 he shall be stoned unto death."


Gravatar What's the Bible's legal BAC?

Seems to be around .144, if my Hebrew is any good.


Gravatar Skillet, I aprreciate the humor of your remark. But have you actually read the scriptural references to intoxication? I'm just curious. They're crystal clear on the subject.

I think the short explanation, biblically speaking, is that drinking--in & of itself--is not sinful; but becoming drunk is.


Gravatar There are reasons for drunkeness being a sin. It simply is a method of avoiding foolishness and sloth. I'm not talkin' about foolishness like being silly but drinkin' so much that you can't walk or can't speak. It is simply a pragmatic answer to a problem.
I just love it when holier than thou types that feel a need to have a more and more constricted lifestyle try to make their own will God's.




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