amen.
Well within its rights, yes. That's not to say that the South didn't have problems, though. Slavery, after all, is a Bad Thing.
What would it take to try again? New Hampshire?
Say IBCP.. when exactly was slavery abolished in the North?
As for doin' it again.. we're workin' on it... It just takes time... and pressure...
Actually, the Free State Project in New Hampshire has no goal or desire to seceed, neither do the Free State West group(Idaho, Montana & Wyoming) The Christian Exodus Group on the other hand want to take over South Carolina and have every intention of seceeding if necessary to insure a free state dedicated to God and Liberty.
well.. The Southern Party claims to not want to secede too... but when you are open to the possibility.. that's all anyone cares about.
No Nate, might doesn't make right, but it does make the rules. As to the Soviet thing - it depends on what side you are on. Secession wasn't okay from their standpoint. It never is okay from the stand point of "parent" country if you will and this is where the question of might comes in. Was the North right no. Did they win - yes. Law of nature applies to men and gov'ts as well in this case.
I see... so please just go tell those folks in the Congo that you're real sorry that they're slaves... but the folks who captured them were stronger... so they really should just give up hope.
"Well within its rights, yes. That's not to say that the South didn't have problems, though. Slavery, after all, is a Bad Thing."
1. At the start of the Civil War [sic], there were more slave states in the Union than in the Confedracy.
2. The Emancipation Proclaimation[sic] only freed slaves in enemy territory. It left slavery alive and well in the Union.
3. While the Confedrate Constitution allowed each state to abolish slavery, at its own time and manner, Abraham Lincoln and the Republican Party were supporting a constitutional amendment that would have prohibited the federal government from ever ending slavery.
The wrong side won the war.
Nate, don't get all emotional. I said it didn't make right, just that they do make the rules. Do you deny this is true? Also, when might does wrong, in time someone mightier will usually come along and put them in their place.
I'm not emotional darlin', I'm just trying to make things clear. People tend to apply thinking differently one a government scale than on an individual scale.
I'm not really the weepy type... Bane's the crier.
The fact that the North won is to me completely irrelevant because I'm making my arguement on legal and moral grounds, and on no others.
Nate, I'm not saying that the South doesn't have the right (or even extremely legitimate reasons) to secede) I absolutely believe that they do. You know I favor small gov't. Question for you. If by some act of God (I can't see it happening any other way short of war) the US went back to truly being a constitutional republic with a very small federal gov't and states rights we recognized, would you still favor secession?
Nate, you know I would never accuse you of being a crier!
Well, at least not in public.
"The fact that the North won is to me completely irrelevant because I'm making my arguement on legal and moral grounds, and on no others."
I believe the wrong side won, because of my moral convictions. The law really has nothing to do with it since it is the realm of the victors, and is frequently used to attack liberty.
I was initially countering IBCPs ascertion that the south was the major slave trader.
English Law exists apart from individual countries. It is the adherence to that system of law that defines Western Culture vs. Eastern.
Secession is part of traditional English Law. To deny this is simply ignoring reality.
DG,
I didn' mean to imply that you were denying it... I was just statin' the fact.
When matters are settled by force, they will eventually raise their head again. Pale example, was the Jesusland thing in the last national election. I can assure you that a seperation is in the cards, no matter who makes the rules.
So,
Lets divide up the nukes and put those spikey things you see at drive-ins across the southbound lanes of all ohio river bridges on the north end since KY owns the ohio river.
We'll impose massive tarrifs on all substandard yankee goods and sell them the chinese stuff we bring in through New Orleans while SF and NY docks wither from lack of use.
Fortifications and gunbost along the ohio, too. We can't have Mexicans coming up from the south nor yankees from the north.
I guess we'll have to keep a few in museums so wour children never forget what a trial we had to endure for them.
ARRGH!
Sorry... no tarrifs... none. Not even on yankee goods... though I am down with the spike strips.
But then again... if we don't let the buckeyes come visit.. who are the bears in our touristy state parks gonna eat?
Just tariffs on yankee stuff. We'll call it "reparations for reconstruction". I'm not flexible on this.
ARRGH!
Does anyone else find the idea of a farrier Pirate amusing or is it just me?
Nate, you are forgetting one thing with all this talk of secession: I believe that if you look at all of the state Constitutions of all the states that were formerly in the Confederacy (except Tennessee), you will find a nice little section declaring that secession is very illegal and will never be attempted again. It's just one of those nice little presents that the Union forced upon the defeated states when they had to "readmit" them into the union.
So, how can the South secede if they all "admit" that it is illegal? (this question should chum the waters real nice!)
grip, if you're a legalist, amend the constitution.
If you believe, as I do, that articles ratfied under coercion are invalid, just secede anyway.
Spacebunny: "Does anyone else find the idea of a farrier Pirate amusing or is it just me?"
EVERYBODY RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!
IT'S BLACKSMITH, THE PIRATE!!!
GtW,
If we amended the US Constitution, and removed the 1st Amendment... would that mean that the right of Free Speech no longer exists?
SB!,
You need to see the last scene in "Pirates of the Caribbean", actually the last line. Just don't swoon in Vox's presence on my account.
ARRGH!
Now JAC... she fell for Vox's brain...
When its Rugged Good Looks she's lookin' for.. she always finds her way over here.
Lord knows it ain't the haircut!
I've seen PotC, but I can't remember the last line. Some help please.
Sorry, SB,
That would ruin it for ya'. Context is everything.
But I've SEEN the movie.
I was just trolling, and it looks like I got Nate and Ian to bite!
I think it's an idiotic thing that they made them put it in their constitutions, kind of like making a little kid apologize for punching someone in the face even though he is still burning to do it again.
Also notice how Tennessee doesn't have that provision in their constitution. It's because they rolled over for the North when they wanted to ratify the 14th Amendment. The other southern states didn't like the 14th Amendment so they nixed it, the North got upset, declared martial law in the South, and coerced the states into ratifying the 14th Amendement (along with saying slavery is illegal and wrong, and secession is illegal and wrong). Gracious victors, huh?
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