"I want ya to know that every time someone buys a Springfield I put another notch on my belt."
A quick note before I bail for the weekend. Nothing's final yet, but I plan on buyin' one of those in a .40 as soon as possible. I got the wife's ok some time ago, I just need to scrape together the cash and find a private party seller to keep it off the state's rolls. I'll let you know when it's ok to notch your belt again, and if you're interested, I'll even send you pictures (I'd need an email address though.)
Which XD ya like EZ? I dig that tactical model myself.
Not specifically ATF related, but in the vein of interests...
I'm finally going to be looking at motorcycles, probably in the spring. I know your preference for bike type, Nate, but I'm going in a different direction. I want one that can be ridden to work in the city (lights, signals, etc) but also ridden up in the mountains on the trails (heavier suspension, etc).
Back in the day, it was the Yamaha Enduro we'd use for this. Don't know what's good nowadays...any suggestions?
Oh.. HELL YEAH WB.. ya came to the right place.
The market is soaked with awesome examples of these bikes.
I have to ask though... Do you want a good streetbike, that is ok on trails? Or do you want a good dirt bike that is ok on the street?
Well, it would be a concealed-carry gun, so probably not the tactical. I'm liking the 3" sub-compact.
Sounds like I may not get it as soon as I'd hoped. I have to fill my wife's ear holes with diamond studs first. That will likely be a Christmas or 1st Anniversary (New Years Day) Gift.
This looks like the one. 
Shiner Bock rules. Can you get that where you live? Love love love it.
Drinking wine at the moment....downed margaritas earlier. Preparing for the hurricane you know.
Red Wine
Shrimp Cocktail
Garden Fresh Veggies
Rib Eye on the grill
And…
Kimber
KIMBER
KIMBER!!!
Fag
FAG
FAG!!!
EZ,
I carry a full-sized weapon. Sissy.
I've been lookin at the XD's for awhile, went by this mornin, didn't get totally satisfactory answers, maybe you can add to.
I like the .45GAP 4", but, the dang GAP ammo is $16.95/50, they don't sell it in 1000-round boxes.
Another odd thing is they couldn't find any extra magazines online or in-stock. Is GAP that new and hard-to-get?
The .45GAP also comes in a 5" - any advantage to that?
Is color important at all? I think black-olive-silver/black (bit-tone) are the options.
What is your opinion(s) of this gun, and is there any comparable .45ACP that's worth considerin - I'll probably purchase next weekend, assumin the rain leaves by then.
thanks.
45.GAP is new, and therefore availability is an issue. The upside to it, is mag capacity.
It absolutely performs as well as .45ACP.
I like the tactical model, because the longer barrel means more oomph, and more accuracy. I don't mind the extra weight. Color doesn't matter, except that black or that green are easier to hide than shiny metal. Armory Cote is badass. Holds up great.
As far as comparible guns... In .45?
The Taurus 24/7 is one I'd look at. High Tech gun right there. NRA semi auto of the year.
Other than that you're talking HK and Glock... I think CZ is making a semi .45 too... maybe a Baby Eagle?
Lots of options.
The XD and 24/7 would be at the top of my list though.
Nate: "Do you want a good streetbike, that is ok on trails? Or do you want a good dirt bike that is ok on the street?"
Most of it will be on the street, as a commuter conveyance. Occasional off-road use, as time and opportunity permits. I doubt I will be doing any long-distance travel with it.
You got a lot of options WB.
If you want to be able to take it along when your friends get out their dirt bikes, you want a Kawasaki KLR 650. The Swamp Thing as we call it. Great commuter. Handles great. Good on the big roads... And you can jump over most cars with it.
If you're looking for something more civilized, it would be really hard to pass up the Suzuki V-strom. I'd go with the 650. But JAC would call me a fag for it... Still, if ya hadn't ridden in a while, the insurance will be a lot less, and it's plenty of motor.
Beemer, Aprilia, and Triumph also all make bikes in this catagory, if you're looking for more whistles and bells for more money.
The beemer... holy cow... sweet sweet ride. NAV system... heated seat.. heated grips... unbelievable.
Buell is also coming out with one called the Ulysses.
Y'all Keep Safe Blondage.
I already have a .40 full sized pistol of a make that isn't too popular with the Pan-Gargler. I need an excuse to buy another gun, and the compactness of the 3" XD is my excuse. Nothin Sissy about that.
I could make it a Kimber if you like
hrm...
Glock?
Hey.. I'm not gonna give ya to much shit about it, if you are good with it. That's what's important.
Did you guess that, or did you remember me saying something about it in the past?
Yeah, Glock. I don't get enough practice to be great with it, but I'm working on it. Getting shit about it is fine with me, it's incentive to practice. I think I'll try to talk my wife into going to a range tomorrow!
I've gotten pretty good with a Glock 9mm. I've been studying and all the opinions I've read, NRA mag, etc. say a 9mm just doesn't have the stopping power of a .45. Of course, if you hit 'em in the right spot, I I 'magine a BB would do.
WB,
SwampThing: Been there done that. How long's your commute? More than 30 miles of superslab and you'll grow to hate the Thing. It'll get you where you wanna go offroad wise, but you can't get in a hurry. Think tractor more than dirtbike.
It's tall and heavy. Just how big a boy are ya'?
If yer lookin' for better offroad capability try the Honda and the Suzuki like Gregg's. The SwampThing is the King of true enduro types on slab , though.
The beers are chilled, the AFL Grand Final starts in one hour. It's that one day in September down here folks.
A little late, but oh well.
Was gonna post this in the below thread but decided to post it here instead since it deals with killin'... seems somebody, a lady no less, has actually declared war on some folks in the .gov. Including but not limited to the California Highway Patrol, TSA, Blackwater Security Mayor Ray Nagin (almost made her list) and Animal Abusers (???).
http://www.lizmichael.com/shooting.htm
Went to the range tonight... burned through 100 rnds of 9mm, 100 rnds of .38 and 50 rnds of .357.
I also got to shoot one of these, had a nice scope on it, didn't check to see what brand but it was at least a 6x.
http://firearms.smith-wesson.com...531&
item=831462
It didn't kick as much as I thought it would.
The guy told me he bought it to hunt with.
I asked him, "Here in the US?"
He said, "Yeah".
I said, "Bear?"
He said, "No deer."
I said, "Huh. Thanks for letting me shoot it."
Maybe he knows of some new breed of deer or something.
Getting ready for BR's b-day party tomorrow... gonna go do our annual ritual of goign in and waking him up to wish him a happy birthday.
By deer.. I can only assume dude means Moose.
JAC,
I get the feeling WB is lookin' for something more civilized.
I haven't fired the XD in .45 GAP, but I handled a couple, and I just don't like the way it feels in my hand. It doesn't fit me. If you want a .45 ACP with a high-cap mag, look at the Kimber polymer hicaps. Don't buy the Kimber mags though. Buy the Para-Ordinance 13-rounders.
After shooting my Kimber BP Pro 10 II, shooting my friend's Springfield singlestack .45 was a letdown. Even the Kimber TLE doesn't feel as good. Maybe it's just getting used to one gun, but I've found the .45 I'm satisfied with.
MR,
Pistols in the correct calibers have been used to take every major large game animal in the world. Well, at least the animals the gun magazines talk about anyway. I do mean every animal, elephants included.
I do not like the Glock grip angle. It's all wrong. They go bang every time though and that is what counts for the people that carry them.
I'm horrible at hitting anything with a pistol. But I take some comfort in the very high likelihood that if I do use a pistol in self defense I will be shooting at a target less than 10 yards away.
Even I can put a pistol bullet in a torso at that range.
"Pistols in the correct calibers have been used to take every major large game animal in the world."
I don't doubt it, but I was just sorta curious as to what he would do with the bits of deer that were left once he shot it. Or what he was gonna use as his backstop, after hitting the deer.
It's not like there is a rabid bunch of deer out there running down hunters that he would need that kind of stopping power. Oh well.
Now, Boar I would hunt with it. Or Moose or Elk or Bear.
He had fit that scope on and had four rings holding it on and it still moved when he fired it. He even had these little aluminum adjusters between the scope and the gun and after firing a few rounds the adjusters were shear off. She he got some steel ones and was trying those.
To each his own.
Speaking of gun ranges, SR and I are going tomorrow after BR's party. That will be the start of a wonderful date night. :D
EZ - you have to talk your wife into going to the range?! I have to beg my husband to take me! Well, maybe not beg, but I'm usually the one to bring up a trip there. Here's a question for you hunters out there - yes I could probably look it up on the web, but that's not much fun and I get so little time on my computer these days with school in full swing. During my absence last week I was touring a couple of castles in England and saw some of the hugest racks I've ever personally laid eyes on and my uncles hunt moose. What were they? Did the local deer get that big there back in the day (these racks were likely a couple of hundred years old at least)? They were amazing.
Eco Zoe,
As a former big Springfield man myself, I’m telling ya there is nothing finer than the Kimber PRO CDP II for a commander sized gun. I had decided before I bought it that I wanted a top of the line gun and price wouldn’t hold me back. I checked out major custom houses, Wilson etc and I kept coming back to Kimber. Best carry gun I every bought. I’ve been shooting IDPA with it all summer and have around 2000 to 2500 rounds through it and its perfect. It’s about a $1,000 bucks but its worth every penny.
You should check it out, and buy one, heck JAC will probably post pics just to piss Nate off.
Follow up on Papa Pete’s comment. As a former Para shooter, I’ve never had good luck with Para mag springs they go bad even when they are stored empty. One P-14 mag of mine was used 4 times on the same day and stored for about 10 years failed to feed due to bad spring. I hate all things Para Ordnance, although since I still own one I’m thinking of turning it into a pin gun.
Queenslanders and Sydney-Siders suck arse. They have no credibility in the Aussie South - Victoria, South Australia, Western Australia, Tasmania - even in the Northern Territory... Those cunts have NO influence with their rugby and never will.
Barry Hall was a Kingmaker today.
Big Bazza is a legend! Did any of y'all see that take down of Wirripunda with the clothesline? And that didn't even draw blood - it was a bloodbath out there today.
And Adam Goodes, all class, what a player! If O'Loughlin kicked straight in the last two quarters Sydney woulda won easily.
But Sydney had it sealed anyhow.
"it's amazing but ...not my thang."
I really feel sorry for the NSW blogger who said this. There's some fucked up shit that happens being raised in the North. I pity those cunts. The South of Australia is where real cunts are raised.
Jamie's Loaded!
Bah.
For a grand Res coulda gotta Springfield Commander outta the custom shop that woulda smoked that nancy boy kimber.
SB -
"EZ - you have to talk your wife into going to the range?!"
She has never fired a gun before. I want to break her in. Once I do, I hope she'll be more like you in regards to wanting to go more. She's a stressed out Lawyer, so hopefully she'll see it as a huge stress reliever
You two are Twin Cities Metro folks. Have you ever been to Armored Fire (now Bill's Gun Range I think)? They have a wild Cervil in there running free. Pretty cool!
You know Nate. But that's cause you're a legend.
"I do not like the Glock grip angle. It's all wrong. They go bang every time though and that is what counts for the people that carry them."
Guess it depends on the user. I know there's a few different types of Glock generations: different grips, different sights, with/without rails. I prefer the kind models with rails that have the little notches for each finger in the grip. They fit like a glove in my hand. The other models (newer ones?) are too blocky, though.
My only love/hate feature on the Glock is the trigger-safety. Since it's built into the trigger, it's as if you have no redundant safety at all. I like the 1911-style safety on the back, wish the Glocks had both.
I agree that the XD grip doesn't feel right - it's kinda cramped - the dealer was telling me that was a feature. hrmmm
Once Nate talked about the Taurus 24/7, I forgot I had a Taurus catalog I had bookmarked to it, that is a fine-lookin gun with great specs. Will have to go see.
The XD has a grip saftey. As for it feeling cramped... I don't know. Maybe the baby compact... but I've not handled one of them since way back when, before the gun was contracted to Springfield.
I tried the 4 and 5" models - same grip. I 'magine it depends on hand-breadth. I tried other guns to compare, and it definitely has a smaller grip - like I said, the dealer said the smaller grip was a feature - more control, comfort, etc etc - he described the other grips I tried as too big and uncomfortable, but I liked 'em better. Need to try 'em out to judge for sure.
I have two Springfields. An M1 (serial number in the 300,000's - built before Pearl Harbor), and a recently built M1A - Both from the Springfield Armory. I love 'em both dearly.
So you're talking about the distance from the backstrap to the front of the grip? Or the width of the grip?
45.GAP is going to feel smaller than .45ACP. They designed it to.
I've been to Bill's on numerous occasions. I'll have to check out the wildlife next time I'm in!
So no one is going to hazard a guess as to what those giant racks were from? You all are going to make me go search for the answer?! I have to say I'm disappointed in the lot of you.
Sorry darlin' but I'm gonna need more of a description. Racks get pretty huge though. The big deer today in most states would be considered to small to take 100 years ago.
http://espn.go.com/outdoors/tv/c...on/
1199838.html
That link shows a picture of what is considered to be the largest deer in the world.
These were definitely not white tailed deer racks. Plus they were in England from hunderds of years ago so presumably hunted either in England or possibly France....
Well, having done my research I believe they were fallow deer racks. Probably larger than what you would find today, but the shape looked right. The antlers were flattened more like a moose, but I knew they were moose antlers.
by the way...
We missed ya darlin'.
SB -
It's the one in Circle Pines, not the one in Robbinsdale
EZ- then, no, I haven't been to that one. Going to have to make the trip.
Not twin pines eh? About the bloke who dreamed of breeding ...pines.
It was a Hart, SB. Red deer stag past five years.
They are similar to our elk. Big sumbitches.
I like my Glock's trigger and the half-cock single action. The only accidents I've heard from it are two LE officers who, after foot chases and following SOP to keep their weapon drawn, kept their fingers in the guard and fired it when reholsering. Any DA pistol would have fired though.
Anyways, I sat and played with and fondled my trigger enough to know it well. I don't even notice the half-cock now.
Only accidents???
Are you shittin' me boy? Cops were shooting their feet off for almost 5 years when all those departments first switched to Glocks. Still happens all the time.
Morons draw the weapon with their fingers on the trigger... dipshits.
Anyone fired the Taurus Total Titanium in .357? It looks interesting, but I'm not sure if it's too light to be comfortable. I like the Crimson Trace in the grip though.
I'm looking for a small .357 snubbie to fill that hole in my collection, and I've read good things about the Taurus.
I don't see how it's possible unless they just lose all motor functions. It's a whole quarter inch of trigger movement before it's even ready to fire. They were obviously just rattled and had no control of what they were doing. Drawing with their fingers inside the guard or not, they were all morons to begin with.
Wow. Quite a lot of mileage from the ATF this week....
Nate: "You got a lot of options WB."
So it would seem. And thanks to both you and JAC for the info. It seems I have a fun winter ahead of me, checking out your recommendations.
JAC: "How long's your commute? More than 30 miles of superslab and you'll grow to hate the Thing."
The normal commute's only 20 miles round trip. But there are occasional trips to another site, about 50 miles round, and less occasional trips to Denver, about 100 miles round. If the problem with the KLR is patchable with aftermarket shocks or something, I'll keep it on the list.
JAC: "It's tall and heavy. Just how big a boy are ya'?"
6'1" and 2-too-much. I'll not have much difficulty with most bikes, methinks. Especially as I won't be layin' any over. *cough*cough*
Nate: "I get the feeling WB is lookin' for something more civilized."
Yeah, you pegged it. I'll definitely see more pavement than dirt, so those dual-sport types are just the ticket. But a straight street bike doesn't let me take advantage of my locale.
JAC - it may well have been a hart - which is a male deer past 5 years, usually used in reference to red deer, but not limited to them. These racks definitely were not red deer, but fallow deer. The antlers of the two are very different.
I know it's technically Sunday morning, but - finished off a bottle of the Glenlivet, with a cup of Earl Grey to chase and then moved on to a bottle of McLelland's...
Damn, ER looks funny at this hour.
Beware!!! Beware!!!
Scotch Drinker!! Scotch Drinker!!!
INVASION!!!
Jacobite!
Hehe, SB schoolin' JAC on deer, wonders never cease.
"I'm looking for a small .357 snubbie to fill that hole in my collection, and I've read good things about the Taurus."
Papa, I have a Taurus 605 Stainless.
It is a nice gun, fun to shoot .38s, .357 on the other hand are rough but fine for the personal protection role.
I think the only thing I would like on it is another shot (6 shot instead of 5) and I should have gotten the ported model. Definately would go with ported if I had gotten the Titanium model.
SB, I assume you went over to the old country for a visit. Someone mentioned that you broke your hip, but figured that Vox would have mentioned THAT so just assumed you were out and about.
http://www.taurususa.com/
product...tegory=Revolver
MR - yeah I was just out and about. I did break my hip a while back but it seems like it's finally getting back to normal.
Papa,
The Total Titanium's have grips that you would not believe. They make shooting the gun a lot more bearable.
I've got a .357 tracker in stainless. It's bigger, and heavier, but shooting heavy loads out of it, feel like shooting 38's out of a snubby.
The grips are these ribbed rubber deals. Very Very cusioned. Plus the little gun is ported.
I strongly.. STRONGLY suggest you check one out.
SB, I must have missed when you broke your hip. Glad you are getting back to normal.
"Normal", by the way is a setting on the washing machine.
Ooooh, ribbed cushioned grips for your comfort!
I would not mind buying another .357, though the next one would have at least a 4" barrel, maybe 6" (if Taurus has 'em).
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