a 9mm? JAC, you should be ashamed!
I can't say much about the booze, but my general rule with the firearms is it's better too have too much and not need it, than not enough and wishing you brought along the bigger gun.
What would a 9mm do to a bear other than annoy it anyway?
Unless JAC intends to shoot himself if he's in need of a firearm then there's no sense in bringing a 9mm.
JAC: If you shoot someone, or something, with a 9mm, and they happen to find out about it, they're going to be pissed. 9mm is for soda cans and introducing twelve year old girls to the shooting sports.
Nate: What the heck are you doing leaving the .45 at home? Your .357s are nice, but what do you need two of them for? One .45, like a (flame war incitement coming) Kimber Ultra Carry, will do the job nicely.
Certainly would go with the .357 for bear and piglets (the latter are an overrated threat. most people simply don't shoot them in their vitals since they're further forward than in a deer) over the effeminate European dandy of cartridges. As for the .40, fragmenting rounds won't do much good for nature's toothy wrath but would be fine medicine for feral meth cookers.
And I'd think such an event would call for Wild Turkey 101 rather than watered-down 80 proof from Tennessee. No sense in packing along unnecessary water.
With pigs it's about shot placement, almost regardless of caliber. They don't call feral hogs bullet traps for nothing.
You guys can bad mouth 9mm all day but weaker rounds have killed lions. It's been at bad breath close range but they've still done it.
Fully jacketed 9mm bullets have a surprising amount of penetration. And on a tough skinned fattened up pig a 9mm will get through to vital organs, provided you place your shots well.
I have plenty of other guns fellas, including a 1911. My options range from a .22mag deringer (it'll probably go too) to a handloaded .454 Casull (I have on accasion refrained from using it at close range on deer due to the damage it does.)
The CZ100 in 9mm is coming with me along with two mags with damned near equates to a box of ammo. First round in the pipe is hydrashock, then two FMJ, then back to Hydrashock and alternating one for one.
I bring it because I lke te gun. I like the way it carries, points, shoots, I can kill things rapidly with it. 'Nuff said.
actually the jack I'm bringing isn't the watered down stuff. Its the 90 proof gold medal jack.
That's why I'm bringing two boys... one for 2 legged critters. One for 4.
On the booze, Nate and I have a difference in philosophy.
Nate's a whore in everything. Even the important things. Booze, smokes, trucks, boots, dogs, bikes, pistols, rifle loads. Always something new around the corner. Fickle.
Me? I find what I like and I stick with it. I will try new things, but not if they are similar to something I have tried in the past. Over the years I have settled on Wild Turkey 101, Russel' Reserve, and Rare Breed. I've tried 'em all, as UO is my witness.
Suffice it to say I will not be trying to match bourbon to activities like some namby pamby wine drinkin' pinky floatin' starbuck's drinkin' birkenstock wearing uncalloused college boy.
That Jack is the stuff you've been tryin' to dump on everybody comin' and goin' for the last year.
I understand you are bringin' the .357 for the timber. So, there's no sense in me bringin' the .454. You got it covered.
There's no reason for you to bring the Steyr as I am bringin' the CZ for critters what walks on their hind legs. It's your new girlfriend we can all see that.
moonshine and .44 mag hydroshocks
There are few things more reliable in a tight spot than a good .357 revolver. You can get a lot of stuff done with one of those and a couple of speedloaders. Two legs, four legs - if it bleeds, a .357 will kill it.
I'd say Woodford Reserve for the flasks, but every man's got his preference.
What about the tobacco, boys? It's not camping without that, just sleeping near a fire.
For wilderness critters in the woods I carry a Webley MkVI in .455, double action with low recoil for quick doubletaps and the cartridge hits like a truck.
Speaking of motorcycles, can anyone picture country "boy" band Rascal Flatts and their woodchuck-looking singer belting out "we live to ride/we ride to live" at a Sturgis Rally performance?
If you need bear and pig protection (I wouldn’t worry about the pig, he moved to New York) I’d have something throwing over 200 grains of hard lead. My personal bear/wolf/cougar handgun load is a 44mag, 250 grain partition gold HG hollow point behind 24 grains of win 296. 9mm says to the bear, “I’m too cheap to buy pepper spray”.
Shot placement is something you have time for if you’re hunting; defensive handgun shooting is about making hits and stopping the attack. The 22 will kill a grizzly with good shot placement too, but why risk your life? Hit it hard till it stops. Jac’s 454 with 260 grain solids (or the HG Gold Partitions) at a min of 1500 fps would be my black bear choice.
a 454 will one shot stop a 500 pound pig. The .357 is not in its league, but I think 7 shots are enough to convince the critter that pain and suffering are in my direction.
Pepper spray? I won't depend on an aerosol can of anything. Hopped up deodorant.
I say the .357 of course.
I'd still bring the Bookers though! ha
A little off topic. I'm in the market for a good home defense shotgun. Any recommendation? I've been looking at the Winchester 1300 Defense model. Thanks.
Ack. I mean Defender model.
Defender is a nice gun, but there isn't an objective reason to prefer it to the Mossberg or the Remington. The only one with an advantage is the Mossberg, and its just price.
Plus the Mossy actually has the safety in a useable position for the left of handed.
Jack and the .357. The 9mm will just piss a bear off.
What's a New York reload? You cuss while you do it?
A new york reload is not a reload. Its dropping your empty weapon, and pulling out fresh one.
Because come on... who'd go to New York with just one gun?
What model Mossberg and Remington do you recommend Nate? Thx.
I think a trip like that deserves a drink like this.
God I hate that sight.
Hey, Recipe, the question you need to be asking Nate is about Project 870.
Never saw it before. I saw the bottle in my local liquor store a few weeks ago, and googled it to find a picture; the review came up from that.
What's wrong with the site, overall? I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess they typically rate scotch higher than bourbon?
Oh yeah, I searche the blog the other day for "shotgun", and that Project 870 shotgun came up.
Did you ask yourself, "Boy, it sure would be nice to see that thing completed - I wonder how that turned out?"
hehehe
I'm all tied up with this trip boys... as soon as I get back and get the trip report done, I'll see if I can't get y'all a significant update on Project 870.
'Preciate it. Have a fine time.
I'm still in shock that Nate didn't go for the 8 shot Taurus in .357.
8-shot?
I've had the tracker for about 6 years dude.
9mm? That would just piss off a bear! My choice is my Ruger Super Redhawk @ .44 Rem Mag. That will stop a bear (or a wild pig for that matter) in his tracks, and he wouldn't have a chance to get pissed off. As for the Whiskey ... Jack is my choice for the trail. Always has been. (Ya mean some folks bring something else?)
JAC does... but you know.. he's.... gay.
Y'all, does it HAVE to be a pistol?? What's wrong with a Marlin lever-action 1895G in .45-70? It'll drop ANYTHING that walks. You can fire up to 540 grain ammo through that thing. Short 18.5" barrel too. Sweet toy. The best all-round heavy-brush gun around.
As for the 9mm, I think it is what you carry when what you're defending against weighs less than 50 lbs. If you want to take down a grouse, turkey or some other such type critter, be my guest. When you're being charged by an overprotective Grizzly sow who's hell-bent on making you one with the rock face she's caught you against, she won't even notice that you're armed if you pull a 9mm out. One shot from the Marlin though will drop her like a stone. See http://www.garrettcartridges.com...om/
grizzly1.asp for details.
shadowDancer... it really does have to be a hand gun. I mean... have you ever tried to ride a motorcycle with a rifle?
I also have a Marlin Model 1894 lever action saddle carbine (round barrel, not the hexagonal one) chambered for .44 Rem Mag as well, which is what I carry when I want both a hand gun and a rifle. The good news is that I only have to carry one kind of ammo since both my Ruger and my Marlin use one and the same. When I backpack out here in the foothills of Arizona, that's an important weight consideration.
I'd say go with the .357 of course. Plus being a revolver there is no worries of it getting too dirty out on the trail. And .357 would be a good caliber as fatter slugs might kick too much while on a bike (I've never tried so I wouldnt know)
And Wild Turkey is the way to go. Fishing hunting camping partying socializing and getting drunk, Wild Turkey does great for all of 'em
I'd have my .45LC, and perhaps the Marlin .45-70
Then again, the Marlin should suffice for just about anything.
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