What if you "volunteer" one or more of your guns so you appear to be cooperative, but you hold some in reserve that are not as easily traced? Would that work?
Joy
I turn in my guns. Max out all the credit offers I have for cash and find a slow boat out of here.
Bury them on federal land in sealed pvc tubes. That's what a GPS is for.
An edict like that given on Nov. 14 would cause a rebellion. The U.P. would secede and no one would notice.
If I had any guns, my house would conveniently be broken into and all guns and other valuables would be missing with only a box or two of ammo left which I would immediately surrender. Broken windows/forced entry and mess just to make it convincing. That or move to the U.P.
Fourth generation warfare on U.S. soil is gonna be a b.i.t.c.h.
I'm with Wendy.
"I don't know sergeant, someone just broke into my house and took everything. Damnedest thing."
If they don't incarcerate me anyway, it's off to Mexico and beyond.
I could be there in a couple of hours.
On second thought, I'd probably turn in whatever I had with a papertrail, take what doesn't with me and bury it, and then head to Mexico and beyond.
Not the border checkpoints, of course, just the thousands of miles of open border with no fence and little tracking and Huck disappears.
As of right now, I don't have any guns, so if this did happen in the near future, it wouldn't affect me.
That being said, I'd be looking for the nearest exit out of this place...or the nearest black market dealer.
I'm going to sell all mine to get what I can for them before it happens. I can still hunt with my bow.
The U.P. would secede and no one would notice.
And A Country Boy Can Survive will be their new national anthem, if it's not already.
Jamaica, 1972?
Ahh yes... that would be exactly the year my wife's well-to-do family decided it was time to vacate for a few years. As I recall, my father-in-law's house did temporary duty as the Korean embassy.
Various family members filtered back to Jamaica in succeeding years, as the political situation settled down.
FWIW, my father-in-law carries a pistol with him everywhere he goes in Jamaica these days. Politics is still brutal, but as long as you stay apolitical, not too many people mess with you on that level. Crime is pretty bad, though.
I still crack up thinking about the billboard I saw as you leave my father-in-law's posh neighborhood: it was for a home security service, but looked more like it could be a movie poster for Commando II; muscular guards with AK-47s, posed around a jeep with a heavy-duty swivel mount... LOL. That's home security in Jamaica.
Ask me no questions regarding my actions in a nascent rebellion in the indeterminate future, and I'll tell you no lies.
I aim to misbehave.
I'm also guessing the first thing to come crashing down following martial law is the internets...
Jamaica is a turd world country. If it happens here, I think there will be a bit more refinement to the whole process. Fat cats will get to keep there's as long as they can match up with a predetermined federal reason for it. Hunters will get to keep their hunting equipment as long as they pay the federal licensing.
Po folks will have to go illegal or underground or turn in anything known to the gov.
If it happens here, I think there will be a bit more refinement to the whole process.
In New Orleans, they just went door to door, in law abiding neighborhoods, knocking on doors, and confiscated guns.
The tendency is to say "oh, but that was different" but I'm hard pressed to figure out how.
Lastly, theft of private property is theft of private property. Refinement shouldn't make it any more acceptable to anyone.
Keep it up with the relevant posts. 
I mean, unless you wanted to discuss Disney line tactics. 
Never be part of any gun organization, never advertise, keep your pro-gun comments to yourself unless you are among very close friends and maybe not even talk about it then. Teach your children to do the same. Leave the bumper stickers off the bumper. In fact, err on the side of being slightly anti-gun / pro-government control for all us helpless people, at least that is what you show "them". Let it be known that if such "gun-control" measures were ever put in place you think any resistance would utterly fail.
If you do have any guns give up the gun (singular) (and some ammo) to the police / military, that they have the paper trail on.
Keep the rest locked up / hidden that they do not have the paper trail on.
They can not take what they can not find. They can not "prosecute" what they do not know (your thoughts).
But by then the rules of engagement would have changed. But my public sop would not.
Heck, I am even breaking my own opsec even talking about this crap on the Net.
Heck, I am even breaking my own opsec even talking about this crap on the Net.
Oh, I'm sure there's a few federal dossiers collected on some of the Ilk.
I'd be a little disappointed if there wasn't.
So you are going to bury your guns. Why? When are we going to be stronger than we are now. After five, ten , or fifteen years? Gun skills are perishable. The longer you go without using them and training the less effective you will be. That is why the army and police agencies train relentlessly.
The other thing to remember is that it will be almost impossible to organize more than a two or three man cell without being infiltrated. The most effective way would be to single out individuals for assasination. If you know any feds or state police or politicians in your area take them out. As you all know this is simply a mental exercise. In no way am I advocating anything illegal.
Some interesting reading would be the books Unintended Consequences, Patriots, and Molon Labe.
Under this scenario the most important thing is to have a plan in place before the announcement. Everything has been thought out beforehand and all is left is to execute.
Passinthrough...
Exactly. That's why I posted this today.
I think the most relevent thing to this scenario is to not even be in this scenario. If things got so out-of-control that the government believed it had the authority/abilty to confiscate law-abiding citizens' guns, then there were indicators of this before it actually happens. That is when you act, BEFORE it happens. You high tail it out of Dodge before things get out-of-control. Correct me if I'm wrong, Nate.
One place were Nate and I might disagree is, I would do what I could to ensure I could return when things recovered a bit.
DJ
One place were Nate and I might disagree is, I would do what I could to ensure I could return when things recovered a bit.
The reality is that if things "recover" then coming back is not an truly a problem.
Speaking of "What Would You Do?"
Woman Wakes During Surgery
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,2...5-
17001,00.html
"Doctors said the heart machine was going crazy, my oxygen levels were really low and my blood pressure was high."
Don't sound like she was dreaming.
Funny Bill... note the machines were going crazy. Exactly as I said.
Also note that the woman is certain that the anesthesiologist knew she was awake.
She pissed someone off.... OR... she was in such bad shape they simply couldn't keep her deep enough.
It reads like it was done deliberately.
Note the second anesthesiologist pointing out the fuck up.
What happened to Claire Wolfe anyway. Her site went down. Does she still write?
3%, You'll never have a easier time to get next to a bunch of gun grabbers with your firearms than the one just descirbed. You'll never be in the presents of more pissed Americans with guns in their hands.Sounds like an opportunitity to me.Remember, once they disarm you. their going to do all that other stuff anyway. besides, their's just not that many of them. America is the Concord bridge of the world. And were the nastiest fighters in the world. You'all sound half-beat already. Nows when you get mad-dog mean!
Clair probly decided America was no longer in such an awkward stage.
Let me see, your actually going to go stand in line to hand in 1000's of dollars & hard work to a bunch of ass-wipes that got beat-up on the school yard as kids? Oh, goodness me. There'll probably be 8 or 10 of them standing there. While 100s of you with guns& ammo in hand wait to get checked-in like so Jews to a cattle car? I'll bet a 100 to a horseturd,god thinks you get what you paid for. Stand- up for yourselves!( and your family.). You'all think their going to play nice after you do what your told? That just emboldens the bully!
Right.
Like they're just gonna have a few twerps with clipboards there doing the processing.
More than likely any such turn-in point will be held at your local military armory, on highest alert, with heavy weapons and air support (martial law declared, remember?).
But you just keep thinking it'll work out for you.
I'll be slipping out the back door.
And for all you,(off the grid, types). Did it ever occur to you that the more these butt-heads hear from you right now, the more they'll realize they don't have enough to do the job? Hell, it's just a propoganda war right now.Start fight'in back. Show'em it just ain't in the cards. Or the numbers. Let'em know if they bring it, Your going to lock the door, and not let them out!
Damn huck. Why not sew a yellow star on your coat and walk around with the rest of the sheep. Or you can go sleep in the cold for a week. waiting for your friends........ Who's wife's talked them into the yellow star.
Damn. I got to go to work. Be back tommorrow this time.(unless the feds pick me up.) But why would they bother. Sounds like they already won.
What part of my leaving the bloody country gives you the impression that I intend to "walk around with the rest of the sheep"?
The first sign of this bullshit and I'm gone.
Hell, the way things are going, I may be gone beforehand.
It's certainly a much better plan than showing up locked and loaded and hoping a few others join you, just to be mowed down because that's exactly what they were expecting.
"Clair probly decided America was no longer in such an awkward stage."
I remember the day she stopped writing and said "goodbye". It was a sad day.
And that ... is that.
The idea, mthead, dkan, passinthrough, is not to meet greater force with force, but to appear to acquiesce. Any "plan" put waiting to be put into motion by the soon to be oppressed will be thoroughly countered as there will be many federal agents in the loop from the get go and our military is nothing if not capable of planning.
The idea is to lay low and when they relax do what a man can do. With stealth and anonymity,
mthead doesn't quite understand the principles of 4th generation warfare. That's ok... neither does our military.
This is why I've been a little concerned with Obama's choice of his chief counsel. The man is a criminal lawyer who has repped some huge cases in the past 15 years. If anyone can put us on that slippery slope, I figure he can.
Wendy, I love your plan. Why Nov 14?
"...doesn't quite understand the principles of 4th generation warfare. That's ok... neither does our military."
Ha!
Honestly though... we need all types to stand up and shout from the rooftops, march in demonstrations, give 'em the (hypothetical) now illegal lead... barrel end first, from their (hypothetical) cold dead hands. Force against force.... reasons being:
1) The state will need to have their proverbial Nuts to roast, so the masses can watch the news clips of the "terrorists" being hogtied and everyone can talk about the crazies.
2) And the main reason... It will make others smarter, if they were not already smart in the first place.
But all this talk... pshaw! We will all just sit back down and turn the telly back on... Ooo-ooo, there is a new episode of Dancing Idol with the American Survivor on!!!1
Wendy, I love your plan. Why Nov 14?
Kiwi the Geek | 11.18.08 - 9:52 pm | #
Nov. 15 is practically a holiday around here. I had that day off of bio classes in college. It is the first day of rifle season.
"Guns? Heavens no... we just have a little air rifle to keep vermin out of the garden."
rycamor,
Thanks, you just caused me to burn up two hours.....
Go here first to learn a little about fourth generation warfare.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lind/...nd/
lind146.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lind/...nd/
lind106.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lind/...ind/
lind96.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lind/...ind/
lind94.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lind/...ind/
lind26.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lind/...ind/
lind85.html
Here's the archives of William Lind at LewRockwell.com
http://www.lewrockwell.com/lind/.../lind-
arch.html
William Lind is, apparently, an idiot. Did you post those links as an example of who to avoid?
I read the first link, the guy makes so many errors of fact and logic that I can scarcely catalog them. To demolish his entire point, all you need to do is point out that;
1) Hezbollah has state backing. (this alone kills his point)
2) The territory which Hezbollah disputes does not have a functioning military to counter and suppress Hezbollah.
3) First world countries do not truly rely on the government for food distribution - with the possible exception of China.
4) His casual conflation of first and third world countries is simply dishonest.
5) His claim that "the state" in Germany and Italy was not challenged is stunningly wrong. Not only were the states there challenged, they were overthrown.
You folks are daft, you Just Don't Get It.
There will never be massive gun seizing in the United States during our lifetime, or rather, there will never be any more massive gun seizing - it's already happened, it happened during the 1970's.
Guns are outlawed in most cities, which is where they need to be outlawed to take over the country. Nobody is cares about some squirrel hunter in North Carolina having a rifle, they're concerned about people in dense population centers viewing the government as their means of protection.
People view the government as "running the country" and they've viewed it this way for 50 years. The battle is over, freedom lost. If you want freedom back, you need a revolution, either the violent kind or the ballot box kind. Get politically active. Homeschool your kids, attend a non-dispensational church (I'd recommend PCA or OPC) and give the church lots of money, and really get a handle on how the world works. That is; stop reading empty-headed poison like Lew Rockwell and start reading Martin Luther's Commentaries, or Gary DeMar if you prefer modern authors.
http://eword.gospelcom.net/
comme...euteronomy1.htm
http://freebooks.commentary.net/...a_pdfs/
gdrn.pdf
http://www.entrewave.com/freebooks/
Bill,
Most of the criticismshave of Lind's articles you listed I also share.
But there are nuggets of truth in his message.
Namely,
The only way to beat the state is to demonstrate what it really is, in effect to destroy people's faith in it. There may be violent conflict involved in the process but it is not required. But you can be sure the state will do everything in it's power, violence included, to forestall it's death.
As time goes on and more people see the true weakness of the state, the limits to it's reach, they will hopefully stop using the state, just stop appealing to the state to solve their problems. As each service offered is ignored the justification for taking the taxes to pay for those services simply disappears.
The only people with the moral authority to carry it off ultimately are Christians. Well, Christians are one of the few groups that will die happily for what they believe. And that is what it will take to destroy the love of the state in the minds and hearts of men.
How will they get the firearms that are currently in the hands of the Bloods, Crips, MS13, etc.? My hometown, a small midwestern hole, is currently experiencing almost one death per day due to the gun violence that is precipitated by the drug trade.
I've mentioned it before, and others have discounted it simply because of its author, but Che Guevera wrote a book on 4th gen warfare. Che lived revolution and the lessons learned in Cuba would not be wasted for those interested in the subject.
He writes on logistics and organization and providing for medical care. Medicine becomes VERY important and very scarce. Even in the warm climes of Cuba they lost men to injury and disease for lack of proper care. Even things like shoes become critical in a long term rebellion. Your shoes might last you 5 years now, but out in the field they wont last near that long.
Anyways, its worth looking into.
Bill sez: Guns are outlawed in most cities
Ummm ... when I lived just outside of Atlanta a few years ago, I had Zee-Roh trouble getting a CCW and buying a pistol and carrying it around the city. Nobody told me my long guns were "outlawed" either.
I don't suppose there's any problem doing that very same thing in Dallas, or Miami, or even Seattle.
Those aren't "cities" I guess?
Now, there are admittedly a number of pest-holes that make it very difficult for somebody to have a firearm, but even in Chicago and San Fran you'd be able to have a shotgun or some kind of rifle stashed away -- legally, even. Of course, I think most folks who live in places like that pretty much get what they deserve, too.
Perhaps "outlawed" doesn't mean what I think it does anymore...
No i've never read about 4th gen.war. What i do know is that the longer it goes on the harder it will be to change. There's never a time like the present in a situtation like that. Where 1000s of armed people are standing around pissed-off.Air-cover Huck? Ya, their going to turn the mini-guns on the crowd! That would play good on the 5'o'clock news. Oh. if your going to get out, you should be checking your lap-top thru customs about now!
That is; stop reading empty-headed poison like Lew Rockwell
Um, how is the head of the Mises institute "empty-headed" and what is his "poison"?
At the point martial law is declared, mthead, it won't really matter what is seen on the 5 o clock news.
And yes, air cover, what part of MARTIAL LAW escapes your pea brain here? Do you really imagine that if the were ever going to do this, in this fashion, that they wouldn't make damn sure to have overwhelming firepower on hand?
And do you really expect "thousands" at every single place to show up ready to start shooting?
And even if they did, that they would get any farther than a a few dozen feet?
And what kind of a retard would try to go through customs? Did you actually read anything I wrote, or are you just being an emotional ass?
Something else i'm sure of is they don't have enough boots on the ground to pull it off. Not with the amount of people owning guns that there is in this counrty.Let's face it. we all watch the government screw up just about everything it does. And we think they got this planned to the letter? The last thing the government can afford is to get into a donnybrook on a semi-massive scale. These people are commies! Their not the smartest people to walk the earth. And they count on you doing what your told everytime. They count on the troops to follow orders.Things never go as planned. In government and war. But, God gave us freedom. because our forefathers trusted him. I'm going to trust him. I'm going to defend that which he gave me with my last breath. Jesus told us it's better to be cold and be armed, than not.He said that for a reason. When i get up off my knees,I use the things god gave me to find an answer to those prayers. He gave me freedom. he gave me a way to defend it.In this day & age,my jobs getting clear.Run if you want, you'll only die tired. They get passed America,the rest of the world is doomed anyway.This is our Concord bridge friends. Will you answer the call?
Emotional ass? O.K.Their just talking and your already whipped. Who cares how you get out. You think everyone should stand around watching your backside disappear? Discussing the finer points of your dust trail?Fare thee well,and get ye lost!Ya, it's scary. You think i wouldn't rather just be left alone to live my little live and worship god? But those don't seem to be the cards being dealt does it? And god has and will provide the things we need to win.If we have the courage to stand up for the freedoms he gave us!
Hey you're the one who's brilliant plan was to just show and start shooting, and if everyone else does that too, with no planning or coordination whatsoever, no worries, we'll simply overrun the stupid commies! Cause we're pissed!
Just because you don't like me telling you how silly a plan that is, doesn't mean you have to get all huffy about it.
I was asked what I would do.
I said I'd leave.
Then you went on about me "walking with sheep" with "yellow stars" pinned to my jacket and urging everyone on to the next Bunker Hill, yeah, you're being an emotional ass.
Will you answer the call?
Nope.
And do you really expect "thousands" at every single place to show up ready to start shooting?
Do you really expect govnernment to list all the pertainent information on every firearm being turned in, along with your information to track all these guns.Without 1000's of pissed off citizens standing around for hours at a time waiting to do so? You got more faith in government ability than i've ever seen deplayed! You truly can't see the nightmare that would be creating for them? You can't see the opportunity that would creat? BYE!
F'in holoscan dropped my reply! It ain't your fight anymore Huck. why would you care what kind of ass i am? That skull and bones you got, thats where it all ends anyway. Getting there thru defence of the libertys god gave us just seems like a fun way to go. off to work now.Bye Huck.
Do you really expect govnernment to list all the pertainent information on every firearm being turned in, along with your information to track all these guns.Without 1000's of pissed off citizens standing around for hours at a time waiting to do so?
And do you really think they'll just let you and everyone else stand there with your guns and seethe?
Hell no.
Upon arrival, you'll be parted from your weapons, and then held for clearance and paperwork. And some mean and itchy trigger fingers are gonna be locked on you in the meantime, just looking for someone stupid enough to have loaded or be loading a weapon as an excuse to take down the whole lot of ya.
Have fun with that.
It ain't your fight anymore Huck.
It never was to begin with...
why would you care what kind of ass i am?
I don't really, just killing some time by pointing out the zealous and shortsighted nature of your brilliant plan. If the revolution is going to have strategists like you on hand, it should be a short affair indeed.
That skull and bones you got, thats where it all ends anyway. Getting there thru defence of the libertys god gave us just seems like a fun way to go.
So that means you refuse to put even a modicum of forethought into it?
Brilliant.
Really.
off to work now. Bye Huck.
Good luck.
Guns? What guns? I do not know of what any of you speak.
1 man vs 300 Million?
It ain't worth fighting, there's nothing here worth defending or left to conserve:
JUST LEAVE
And do you really think they'll just let you and everyone else stand there with your guns and seethe?
Hell no.
Upon arrival, you'll be parted from your weapons, and then held for clearance and paperwork. And some mean and itchy trigger fingers are gonna be locked on you in the meantime, just looking for someone stupid enough to have loaded or be loading a weapon as an excuse to take down the whole lot of ya.
Have fun with that.
So the Govs. going to process 85 million guns in 24 hrs. with all the information,(who&where). And you don't see that as problematic for the government? If they have big turn-in centers, theres going to be long lines. Thats just government. If it has numerous small centers, it has less control. Less personal. Your scared. Its O.K..Run. Your right about the mean and itchy trigger fingers. Going to be alot of those.
why would you care what kind of ass i am?
I don't really, just killing some time by pointing out the zealous and shortsighted nature of your brilliant plan. If the revolution is going to have strategists like you on hand, it should be a short affair indeed.------------------------------------------
You must not fight much. If you did you would know that when things go according to plan & strategy ,its not a fight, it's a video game. Revolution? What revolution? Most people are burying their guns.(so they can fight when it gets really bad.) Or their "dust-trail strategists" like yourself. Somehow following a logic trail that leads too....Someplace the global communist haven't found yet? Run, the same itchy trigger fingers will be there to. Good luck with that.
That skull and bones you got, thats where it all ends anyway. Getting there thru defence of the libertys god gave us just seems like a fun way to go.
So that means you refuse to put even a modicum of forethought into it?
Brilliant.
Really.
No,i've just been around long enough to know whats important and what ain't. And by forethought you mean worrying about weather the giant is twelve or fifteen foot tall? No i really don't. Stick to the basics. Food, guns, ammo, train. Know your A.O..Thats about all you can do.If you get a chance to kick-ass,great.If not,i guess it ain't your day. Enjoy the trip,Huck, Truly.
On second thought, I'd probably turn in whatever I had with a papertrail, take what doesn't with me and bury it, and then head to Mexico and beyond.
Not the border checkpoints, of course, just the thousands of miles of open border with no fence and little tracking and Huck disappears.
Huckleberry | Homepage | 11.18.08 - 12:03 pm | # --------------------------------------------------
--------------You call that a plan? You going to disappear till,.................Some mex spots you and turns your gringo ass in to the military for the reward. You would be better off getting caught in America. The foods better.
*sigh*
Could the people "rise up" and "revolt", break free of their "shackles", so to speak, in the manner you are putting forth mthead?
Sure.
Will they?
No.
Why not?
Because they don't want to be bothered, to put it simply.
You going to disappear till,.................Some mex spots you and turns your gringo ass in to the military for the reward. You would be better off getting caught in America. The foods better.
Except for the part where I'm half-mexican and have a bunch of family, you know, IN mexico.
But keep it up, watching you be wrong on every single thing is a hoot...
You must not fight much. If you did you would know that when things go according to plan & strategy ,its not a fight, it's a video game.
So it's best then to just not bother with a plan, show up, start shooting and hope for the best?
That hilarious.
So the Govs. going to process 85 million guns in 24 hrs. with all the information,(who&where). And you don't see that as problematic for the government?
Of course it's problematic. But it's not going to be run by the same folks that run the DMV, and they don't have to process everything in 24 hours, they just have to get the guns out of your hands in that amount of time.
If they have big turn-in centers, theres going to be long lines.
Yep. But you won't be standing around holding your shotgun or rifle the whole while. Have you ever seen one of those "guns for toys" programs that they sometimes operate around the holidays? You'd be surprised at how efficient they are in getting the guns first. Then you wait.
It's not brain surgery.
"Could the people "rise up" and "revolt", break free of their "shackles", so to speak, in the manner you are putting forth mthead?
Sure.
Will they?
No.
Why not?
Because they don't want to be bothered, to put it simply.
RM | 11.20.08 - 10:56 am"
Have you ever been really hungry? As in gone a few days without food.
Now imagine everybody hungry, real hungry, as in eat the rats kind of hungry, eat their dog kind of hungry. And their electric service is unreliable and the gas station doesn't always have gas and they can't get disposible diapers anymore and the next town over has a cholera epidemic. and on and on and on.
Now imagine what the people will do.
You going to disappear till,.................Some mex spots you and turns your gringo ass in to the military for the reward. You would be better off getting caught in America. The foods better.
Except for the part where I'm half-mexican and have a bunch of family, you know, IN mexico.
But keep it up, watching you be wrong on every single thing is a hoot...
Huckleberry | Homepage | 11.20.08 - 12:06 pm | #
Half-mex. I'll say that does give you good cover in the border country. Also explains alot about your attutude.
I'll say that does give you good cover in the border country. Also explains alot about your attutude.
Well played.
I'm just gonna start calling you cannon fodder.
Because you haven't really shown a capacity for much more.
So it's best then to just not bother with a plan, show up, start shooting and hope for the best?
That hilarious.
Who said anything about showing up and starting shooting? All i said is: it sounds like an opportunity. And for how it goes at the collection sites. were just going to have to disagree. You seem to have the same amount of confidence in govt. ability that Diane Feinstein has. And if thats the case. Are they really going to have a hard time tracking you down? Folks, expect gun-control to go off on the sloppy side of prohabition. We all know how that and the war on drugs is going. Hey, maybe our young Huck here will be one of the top gun-runners? Hey Huck. Got any friends at Aguila?
Well played.
I'm just gonna start calling you cannon fodder.
Because you haven't really shown a capacity for much more.
Huckleberry | Homepage | 11.20.08 - 1:17 pm | # ----------------------------------Ya, I know. Pa, told me that if i wanted to go in the Marines, he'd have more fun shooting me himself!
I think there'd be a little trouble with the one police officer in this town. If they're gonna search the membership of the NRA, I mean, how're they gonna work that one out in rural America where the police belong to the NRA? Have him search his own house or what?
I mean, how're they gonna work that one out in rural America where the police belong to the NRA? Have him search his own house or what?
It won't be local police force doing this, it'll either be one of the federal acronyms, military or Obama's brand spankin' new Civilian Defense Force. If it's the latter, mthead and his friends actually stand a good chance to do some damage and live another day...
...or Obama's brand spankin' new Civilian Defense Force...
And O will brag it up how he single handedly reduced unemployment.
Bill, we're about to run an experiment. You stick with Jorge and the Republican party and I'll stick with Lind's assertion that the state is declining, or as recent events are showing, done. This doesn't mean that it's finished for all time or even finished tomorrow. But the US can't even control it's own borders, let alone the two countries we occupy. I'll even go further and say Lind's correct about Hezballah and we're losing in Iraq as well. Now all we have to do is wait two years and see who's correct.
And Mexico is the model we're following. It won't be long before "The One" is mayor of DC. I'm not worried about a gun grab. No one will enforce it.
"Now imagine what the people will do."
The people will turn from the rats and dogs and the disposable diapers and eat each other. In more ways then one.
No, they won't have the brains or the wherewithal to form any sort of substantial resistance as a group. You think you are going to get a town of 5k (much less anything larger) to march to their state capital and do what? Starve some more?
If it got as bad as you say... then they won't be worried about any government they would be worried about just surviving.
People, we as a society, freak out if the electricity is off for more then 24 hours. Take away people's food for a couple days, as soon as the serious hunger pains hit they will be robbing and killing to get something to eat.
"Have you ever been really hungry? As in gone a few days without food."
Yes, as a matter of fact I have been... and yes, I did go "a few days" without food. Five days to be exact. That was the longest.
I will admit I had all the water I could drink.
IMO, day 2-3 are the worst. Day 4 and 5, were not so bad. Once the initial hunger pains in your stomach stop it is just a matter of keeping your mind occupied.
I will say it gives you a true appreciation of / for food. Even the smell... walking into some place where something is cooking, you are content to just sit there and soak in the smell for awhile before taking a small bite and chewing it for at least a minute.
Anyways... what exactly are you arguing?
I was saying don't expect any "Resistance" because people have their TV / Internet / Starbucks.
I didn't say anything about food... but that is a different "argument" where government resistance in my opinion is not so much a part of.
RM,
You're right that the current complacent population doesn't have any incentive to demand change or implement it themselves.
Thing is, times change. And if those times get hard enough so will the people.
If our government messes up enough or things just go haywire bad enough and it happens several times in a row, as in large groups of people go hungry for days at a time several months in a row and/or the electricity stops being reliable at all, then people will stop seeing the almighty state as the answer to their problems.
They could even begin to see it as the enemy. Since the state can only provide resources that already exist, they can't create food out of thin air, they have to get those supplies from somewhere. Say hello to your neighborhood tax collector, he takes payment in bags of rice now as well as Mastercard and Visa.
In this situation things get desperate and they get real. Society at large still functions but just not well.
Hard times radicalize people. Radicalized people make decisions from a completely different starting point than fat and happy people. Those decisions will not be conducive to the status quo.
This move to socialism is kind of good. The more our government promises it can fix, the more it takes responsibility for, the more of the economy that it nationalizes, the more it will be on the hook for if things go wrong. And they will go wrong.
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