but nate...the government told us we made it to the moon!
This, btw, was sent on my pre...which kicks ass!
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Ya know what I love? I love how these same people that defend the moon landings also rail against government incompetence in every single other instance.
So...
The government is completely incompetent... except when it comes to putting man on the moon.
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\"The government is completely incompetent... except when it comes to putting man on the moon.\"
Not completely, just mostly.
The landings were real, Nate. Why would they fake going to the moon six times?
The government didn't do it. Honeywell, Rockwell, Northrup, GE, Martin Marietta (or its pre-cursors), many others, did it.
Something else to keep in mind is that you can't prove a negative. Cracks in what may, or may not, be an actual 40 year old single use space capsule are not really proof of the negative. Maybe it was a publicity mock up from the start. Maybe somebody dropped it 30 years ago when nobody cared. Who knows?
There are much more pressing things than whether lunar landings were faked 40 years ago. It convinced the Russians, either way, and that's what it was all about, really.
I'm more concerned about the monkey business with blocking H.R.1207, and even who killed JFK and why.
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Well the Saturn V that they had laid out at the front entrance of JSC was far from flight worthy when I worked there several years ago, yet it was a real Saturn V. There's another one at Huntsville, I believe.
Yeah they do Astro. Looking at that thing up close is another extremely convincing experience.
I'm certain it went into space. But no way they went to the moon in them.
Just remember... The Department of Energy screws up energy production.
The Department of Education screws up education nationwide.
The wellfare system gives money to those who shouldn't get it and refuses those who should.
Every single government agency you can name is utterly incompetent.
But you want to believe NASA is somehow different?
Right.
In the 60's? Yes, NASA was different. Since then? No.
That's why I didn't work down there for too long.
To be fair, the caulking was probably recently applied in an attempt to preserve the module. Same for the paint we see in the photos. I doubt that house paint or plain old silicone window caulk went to the moon.
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I'm not sure NASA made this with the intention of lasting for decades.
I'm not a moon landing skeptic, as the arguments purported by the detractors is not convincing enough.
I see no reason for them to fake the moon landings. If so, then they've pulled off the greatest hoax in history.
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Don't forget that with 1920's technology we built a few nuclear bombs in about 3 years. I'd bet rivets and caulk were used on them too.
Nate: \"I'm certain it went into space. But no way they went to the moon in them.\"
Fine, you agree that it could have survived the trip into space.
Now tell me, what is the difference between making it into space, and going to the moon? The vacuum is not significantly different between here and there, is it? And once it makes it into orbit, boosting trajectory toward the moon inflicts less stress on the structural components than the original launch did. So what is it exactly that you feel would cause it to fail between Earth orbit and lunar orbit?
AP: \"To be fair, the caulking was probably recently applied in an attempt to preserve the module.\"
Bingo! We have a winner!
Now that I see the photos of what Nate was talking about, it's pretty obvious all the external caulk was applied as weatherproofing to preserve it.
Those command modules were built in the 1960's (IIRC, they made about 50-100 of them) and there is NO WAY they would have used welds. Welding aluminum is something that was not really possible until the mid to late 70's, the welds were too brittle prior to that. Heck, shielded metal arc welding wasn't even developed until the early 60's - so everything was riveted; airplanes, missiles, everything made of aluminum was riveted together. Even today rivets have superior strength, deal better with vibration, and have a more forgiving failure mode, but welding is cheaper (for easy to weld alloys, there are many aluminum alloys that are extremely difficult/expensive to weld).
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Nate, you're at the Grand Canyon. What are you doing here?
Sure, posting, all right. But commenting?
Coincidence? Or is The Telegraph following Nate's blog?
Enquiring minds, etc.
Bill: \"Those command modules were built in the 1960's...and there is NO WAY they would have used welds. \"
The inner skin of the CM was made from aluminum panels which were welded together, according to the information here. Fascinating look at the manufacturing processes used in building these things, including induction brazing using RF-induced magnetic fields.
\"IIRC, they made about 50-100 of them\"
At least 99 of them, according to the list here.
I don't know if they actually went to the moon, but NASA has IT problems. A friend of mine is a contractor there and he said that there are close to a dozen IT companies who have changed things over the years. Since nobody knows what the guy before them did, they always install new cabling when putting in a new system. The result? The walls in certain areas are packed with cables going nowhere.
this is only a mockup used for floatation tests, it is capsule # bp-29. nate exposed
Drop tests. And it was built to the same \"rigid\" specs.
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I worked with a guy who escaped NASA for GM (some escape plan, eh?). He was telling me the story of a test he had for a module for the ISS that would have cost $750K. \"Why, that's too expensive!\" Of course, he when on to explain that the 3 missions to correct the errors his team's test would have discovered cost the taxpayers about $500M each.
Yeah, I'm beginning to be real critical of ANYTHING from Washington or the demented minions.
I cannot help but note that you people defending the power of the rivet ignore the fact that there is a picture of a hole where a rivet used to be right on this very post.
A good 5 to 10% of the rivets on this particular rig had fallen out.
Yeah, Nate, it makes PLENTY of sense to think that that vessel was in said condition back in the 60s, rather than it simply having fallen apart in 40+ years of inactivity and lack of routine maintenance.
Nate: \"I cannot help but note that you people defending the power of the rivet ignore the fact that there is a picture of a hole where a rivet used to be right on this very post.\"
Nothing to ignore. It's to be expected, after 40+ years.
In all types of weather.
After being moved numerous times, without vibration-dampened gurneys.
And after being dropped any number of times in testing (the actual mission CMs only did it once).
Seems normal to me, given those conditions; frankly, I'm surprised there aren't more of them missing. I've seen what old junked cars left out in the elements do after only 20 years.
Now you please explain how, if rivets are so poor...that after 40+ years in the elements...after being dropped and moved and shaken and everything else...there are still other solid rivets holding it together!
No, they just couldn't work for the week or so required for a trip to the moon...
...and you still haven't answered my email.
Men are generally killed for one or more of three reasons:
Money
Power
Women
Who was behind the JFK assassination ?
Pretty obvious to me. Aristotle Onasis.
no, was not built to same specs. go to the nasa web nate. complete list is there,geez nate why do you undermine your cred. with things like this?
Hey Nate,
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090...HBKCgOWq3MEtbAF
They \"lost\" the video. What does that mean?
well at any rate you cannot say that the moon was not orbited, simple physics. the apollo missions were not in earth orbit after launch and then returned many days later. the only way for there return would be the use of another celestial body. better think about it before anyone tries to disagree
Jeff, I think you misunderstand me.
Personally, I think they did go to the moon, and it was the last, great accomplishment of this people (I do not say nation, because it was people outside the gov that made this happen, the only way it could have happened). I had the privilege of watching it on my folks B&W TV live as a young boy. I'll never forget it.
It's possible it was a fake (but I doubt it), and I'm biased by being there.It was the final work of greatness to come from here, and I'm sticking with it.
The link was just to get Nate all worked up.
What's up with cocomment, anyway? It's not seeing posts here.
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