Nate, I think that unlike Bush, Cheney is a Patriot. He is just confused. He wants to secure our energy needs for the future, and wants that as his legacy.
I kinda feel sorry for him that he cannot see that it is immoral to do what he has done. Oh well, Life goes on.
I'm not sure I understand your point. We're not fighting for Iraq.
Since the war started, over 160,000 Americans have died in automobile accidents, many of the dead include children. Hundreds of thousands more were maimed and suffer terribly as a result. Tens of thousands of children lost a parent to this needless slaughter. Americans should not drive cars, the cost in innocent lives is not worth it.
Since the war started, over 13,000 Americans have died from drowning, most of them innocent children, over 20% of these deaths occurred in public swimming pools while a lifeguard was present, 70% of these deaths occurred when a parent was present. An additional 4,000 suffer severe neurological injuries as a result of near-drowning. Americans should not swim, the cost in innocent lives is not worth it.
hate to be the one to break the news to you Nate; people die.
Bill there is a subtle difference between a person drowning and a person being shot because he is invading a foreign country. Unless you are arguing that soliers being blown up by IEDs or shot are merely the victims of accidents (in which case I'd recommend you lay off the crack pipe for a while).
All for a simple lack of will.
In years past this was referred to as having a feminine mind.
Example: An beloved pet is obviously in pain due to injury, debilitating advanced age, whatever... - A woman cannot bring herself to put it down. The realization that some pain in inevitable prevents the decision to quickly apply needed violence to prevent extended suffering.
Bill,
We're not fighting for anything. We're standing around on street corners getting shot.
I don't know what you call a fight, but when one side is doing the punching, and the other side is taking all the punches... we call that a beating.
Let me see if I can apply Bill's logic a little more clearly...
"I want joe's shoes. I like them. Joe is going to die anyway... and he may even die in a car wreck today... so I'll just kill him myself and take his shoes."
I completely agree JAC. Its about pussing out.
We don't have the will to assert the level of force necessary to get the job done.
These people only respond to brutality. They see mercy as weakness. So every time we refuse to bomb a mosque, we're seen as cowards.
And that's exactly what we are.
We're to chickenshit to fight the war the way it should be fought.
The US uses over 20 million barrels of oil per day. If oils prices are held down by 20 bucks/barrel = $400million/day, $146 billion/year, $731billion/5 years.
So by rough calculation, each life is worth $182 million (if you actually count 4000 dead as combat and they're not).
Lives are cheap when there is so much money to be made, and we all hold Bechtel, Haliburton, GE etc. in our portfolios. These are the glasses it must be viewed through.
For that to be relevant you'd have to be able to demonstrate that prices have in fact been held down.
I don't think that's a case you can reasonably make.
There have been a lot of juicy construction contracts plus we have expended tremendous amounts of ordinance so those industries have benefited.
Correct Nate, but the point is that 4,000 lives are cheap next to profits on this war or the expected stabilizing effect it should have on securing an oil source.
You and I, or any of the 1.7million servicemen amount to much value wise to these people, otherwise we would have won this a long time ago.
A comparison to profit/per life, or debt interest/life would have been more appropriate and probably more staggering.
don't amount to much
4,000 lives are cheap next to profits on this war
Not this shit again!
If it were about oil, or about money, the thing to do would have been to cut a deal with Sodamn to relieve the sanctions. He would have paid us to take his oil if we'd have supported opening trade again.
War is the opposite of profit. Anybody that made money from the war would have made more money during peace.
Bill:
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/
...risaracket.html
"War is the opposite of profit. Anybody that made money from the war would have made more money during peace."
Blackwater being the first notable exception that comes to mind.
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