Au contraire, it does work.
I get the flu every time I take it...
I also saw something recently that said it is now possible that people who have taken the flu shot 5 years in a row are now significantly at higher risk for alzheimers due to the aluminum deposited in the brain. Or was that you that posted that? I can't remember, sorry for the rehash if it was you.
Also had the same experience as Huckleberry the first time I tried the flu shot. Felt like a 6 month case of morning sickness. Never ever again will I take that shot. Haven't had a bad case of the flu in all those years of not taking it either.
Nate, OT
We got a brooha going on here in Texas over this guy who shoots two crooks.
Listen to the 911 call here.
http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/stor...ocal&
id=5538780
forced Vaccines.
http://www.truthnews.us/?p=884
I never understood why we vaccinate for the flu. I myself have never had it, but I still don't understand the rational for it.
This only places the nail in the coffin on that "vaccine". Good find, Nate.
I'm sure they'll argue that they'll pick the right flu next time (since they only looked at 03-04) plus they did mention that they think the flu shot they gave may have provided some protection blah blah blah (with absolutely no evidence to back up that assertion).
Everyone at work who gets the flu shot seems to be miserable for the next week, some get sick. I never got the flu and I never took a flu shot (sample size of 1 really doesn't prove anything but I'm happy with it)
Susan... it wouldn't suprise me about you reading that somewhere.. since I wrote here a couple days ago.
why aren't there similar studies posted for other vaccines?
For the same reasons alternative treatments for cancer aren't studied as fairly - -
it would be unethical to "risk" the health of children by purposely keeping some of them unvaccinated for a study to determine the efficacy of the vaccine.
It's a vicious circle, really. The status quo remains because of these flimsy excuses. Excuses - makes me wonder whether there's another agenda at work.
I took the flu vaccine once, but never again after that. I never got sick from it, but you know what? I *never* get sick from infectious diseases (unless you count those few days when I was inexplicably feeling experiencing chills, a fever, tingling and weakness - but I don't know what that was.)It's been years since I've had a cold, and I don't even remember what it was like to throw up, let alone have a real flu.
So..what's the point? Why would otherwise healthy adults with no immune problems get the vaccine? What's the hype about?
I've had the flu a few times. The last times were my first two years teaching elementary school. Those places are germ factories. I still didn't get the vaccine though. I'd rather be sick for a week than be vaccinated.
...Besides, the flu is a good way to lose some weight!
Well, I have to be totally transparent here..hahaha..I've been pretty much a self-imposed recluse for years!
But really, even as a child, I would be the only girl in class that the flu bug or the cold virus never hit. As I got older - it just happened even less and less often.
The reclusiveness was prob. a factor, but it started way before I withdrew from human..society.
Also, I heard an interesting theory about overweight people on one of those science channels - the health network, maybe?
There's this dude studying the effect of a particular cold virus on human metabolism. He studied twins, for example. One was overweight (not obese, just..more chunky), and the other was..I guess, skinny. Not super skinny, but she wasn't...chunky. He found there were antibodies in the overweight girl that indicated the cold virus he was studying for. The other girl didn't have the antibodies.
And he found these results consistently.
And of course, the fat people are loving this...because they would like to think that their weight isn't really their fault.
I don't know about all this...hmm..maybe I'll look for a link about this guy's research.
Nah. Y'all can google if you care to.
...Besides, the flu is a good way to lose some weight!
Darlin' Joy | Homepage | 11.19.07 - 8:19 pm | #
Ah, the silver lining to the otherwise unpleasent few days.
What's wrong with the friking Refs toni9ght. Two Blown calls against Tennessee.
There have been some awful calls EP... but its the drops from our WR's that have killed us. VY played an freakin' awesome game.
EP,
I listened to that tape, and I cant say as it sounds too good for the guy. I guess one would have to look at the area and see the layout of the homes and whether or not they were shot on his property or were coming after him. And as always it depends greatly on who the grand jury is.
At the very least it isn't a clear cut case.
Nate,
thanks for posting this study. I was under the impression that the Flu vax was at least marginally effective, but quite obviously not. There isnt a statistical hairs difference between the vaccinated and unvaccinated rates.
they still recommend that you get it. I wonder why.
A government agency backtracking and saying "oh no ... we did the math and carried the one; don't need flu vacs. We'll send you all a refund for the moneys we don't need, and let go of about such-and-such number of county, state, and federal workers."
That would make me wonder.
I listened to that tape too EP, and I think Erik's take is right.
He is probably gonna get in trouble and I'd bet the prosecution will focus on one phrase: "Move, and you're dead."
Also, the fact that he was protecting his neighbor's property and not his own will play right into the prosecution portrayal of vigilantism. This guy is going to the big house.
Thim,
I've not heard the tape..but hearing your critisms... I'd say the guy would've been fine if it happened in TN.
The biggest trouble you get into is when you say you're trying to kill someone then don't... because they go for manslaughter on ya.
I think it's gonna come down to who has a better lawyer. The guy says, very clearly on tape; "They came on my front lawn with me, they came at me, I had no choice!"
Problems; he went outside with a gun, when the perps were not on his property. He said ahead of time that he was going to shoot them. The cops got there seconds after the shooting. Unless he's got two dead guys well inside his lawn, he's in trouble. The good news is that it would appear that he had no time to drag the bodies over to his lawn.
I don't understand this property aspect.
The right to defend yourself is not limited by property ownership.
There are all kinds of legit defenses for his actions... citizens arrest for example.
few realize that civilians have the same rights as police... therefore if a cop can make a threat so a perp won't run... so can you.
Yes, and po-leese can't randomly shoot people either. Police need to prove clear and present danger. If the perps were not armed, there's a problem. The citizen has more rights to protect himself than police do, that's why it's critical that the altercation occurred on his property. You can use deadly force to protect YOUR life or property, you cannot use deadly force whenever you think the situation warrants.
I listened to the tape. I think he might have sunk himself when he told the 911 operator "I'm gonna kill 'em"
And that's exactly what he did.
Bill,
I don't know where this occured, but in TN you CAN use deadly force to protect another's life or property.
You can use deadly force to protect someone's life just about anywhere (in the US). I don't know about property. Everywhere I've lived it's been OK to protect the inside of your own house, but not your neighbors.
Bill
In many, if not most states, arson is grounds for the use of deadly force. In Texas and Alaska you can kill someone simply for tresspassing. In Kentucky you can kill someone for attempting to set fire to any structure on your property.. from a house to a barn to a dog house... that also applies to your neighbor's land.
9.43. PROTECTION OF THIRD PERSON'S PROPERTY. A person is justified in using force or deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property of a third person if, under the circumstances as he reasonably believes them to be, the actor would be justified under Section 9.41 or 9.42 in using force or deadly force to protect his own land or property and:
(1) the actor reasonably believes the unlawful interference constitutes attempted or consummated theft of or
criminal mischief to the tangible, movable property; or
(2) the actor reasonably believes that:
(A) the third person has requested his protection of the land or property;
(B) he has a legal duty to protect the third person's land or property; or
(C) the third person whose land or property he uses force or deadly force to protect is the actor's spouse, parent, or child, resides with the actor, or is under the actor's care.
From:
http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/
stat...0.000009.00.htm
If his neighbor asked him to keep an eye on the place, he skates. Otherwise.... oops.
Use of deadly force is only part of the problem. Skillet says it right above, as I tried to indicate in my first comment here:
He states an intention to kill the intruder. This is a big no-no.
The intent should be to stop the intruder from using deadly force on you. If they die while you're doing that, shit happens. But if you state that you intended to kill them, enjoy the mystery meat in prison.
I don't doubt that the variance in state laws will affect the probability of it going as I predict... so will the composition of the jury. But the principle stands, and should be stated:
Your job is to protect yourself and others, with lethal force only if you felt that you or others could be in danger. Protecting property throws this in doubt, but it isn't a deal breaker. Saying "I'm gonna kill him." or "Move, and you're dead!" right into the mic is just asking for the DA to make a career move.
Am I wrong?
He indicated several times that his intention was to stop the robbery, and only kill them if necessary. That was his first question; "Should I stop them?" He then said "I'm not gonna let 'em go." This does not mean kill them. He also indicates that they're armed with at least a crowbar. The operator said "This is not worth shooting someone" and the reply was "I don't want to." Also, he called 911 and waited for at least seven minutes before confronting them. These all mitigate in his favor. And notice when the 911 operator says "You're going to get yourself shot if you go outside that house!" and he replies with "You wanna bet? I'm gonna kill 'em!" This exchange indicates that he did not intend to kill them. He was simply indicating his ability to use lethal force in self-defense if the situation arose.
I think he'll be OK, just get him in front of a jury of Texas rednecks. Heck, I'd be surprised if a Texas grand jury indites him.
Bill, I'd definitely want you on my defense/counter-offense team.
But, leaving aside this poor sap and his potential fate, I'm asking what you think of what I said above. Is this not the right approach to home defense?
He states an intention to kill the intruder. This is a big no-no.
Abso-effing-lutely!
The intent should be to stop the intruder from using deadly force on you. If they die while you're doing that, shit happens.
Yup.
Thim,
After a shooting... your first words to the cops should be, "Give me a few minutes to calm down."
THis is critical because you'll still be geeked up on adreneline and God knows what you might say.
After you calm down... you say this and only this... over and over again:
"I fired until he stopped coming at me."
You say that.. no matter what they ask you.
How many times did you pull the trigger?
"I fired until he stopped coming at me."
How many times did the gun go off?
"I fired until he stopped coming at me."
Did you want to kill him?
"I fired until he stopped coming at me."
ect. ect. ect.
Y'all:
Here in Denver a few days ago, they held a little "event" in which the "first responders" practiced giving out flu shots in an "emergency situation". People were told to drive to several locations, including the parking lot at Coors Field, to get free flu shots. This was supposed to simulate the situation where we got attacked with a biological weapon.
I don't know why we're being conditioned to accept these shots all the damn time but that's what it is.
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