Thank goodness, I fear I was gettin' the vapours...
Nate, he's one of those "early adapters" seduced by shiny things.
The english language lacks the the utility to describe the atrocity.
His prediction:
There's a change coming in the next day or so that should please a few of you.
I wonder who he was talking about?
I haven't seen one person comment favourably on the stupid new system.
Hell, I can't even get a comment on it....first of all, it won't let me register as "Clay". It says "username taken". So, I register as Clayton. It SAYS I'm logged in, but I try & comment, and *poof*.nada.
Yeah, someone else had already registered as "Josh." How inconsiderate.
It also seems that cococomment or whatever more easily facilitates Big Brother data-mining.
Where did you see him say that Josh?
and am I the only one that thinks its a bit daft for a libertarian to have a commenting system that requires some sort of registration to access all the features???
FASCIST!!!!
I hate it. If he keeps it up, his hit count will start to tumble.
There are some things I'd like to see.
1. The registration system. It would be nice to be able to ignore some of the trolls even if they don't get banned. Maybe this causes more trouble than it is worth with one guy trying to talk to someone who is ignoring them.
2. It would nice to have a page set up to keep track of where you commented. The page on the new site lists all your conversations on one page, you can see if anybody answered you, you don't leave comments that you forget about. This is probably a better feature. If you only comment on one or two blogs it probably wont matter to you.
The new system must have something to do with haloscan, because my co-comment ID is on here.
Go ahead and email him all of your issues so he can pass them on to the PTB that are in charge of this debacle.
mjb, that quite possibly may be the ultimate goal.
When you consider how much chaff his comments now contain, this may have been aimed to chase away the trolls and gadflys.
Of course, it could also backfire -- the trolls and gadflys remain, but everyone else withdraws in frustration.
Heck, I would if I could, SB!
Then again, the comment tracking feature I was just talking about is available using haloscab. Just click the cocomment box on the bottom.
Doh!
Oh. I guess I CAN email him.......(stoopid me)
Surely he doesn't need our emails. All he has to do is look at the page... and try to read the comments or try to comment himself.
And dude... hello...
SOMEONE IS REGISTERED AS NATE!!!!
I'm fucking Nate dude!
ME!
I am not changing my name.
Dammit.
Seriously, email him all of the problems you see. He's been in constant contact with them today and they are very much want to hear what you don't like and why and what changes you would prefer to see.
Dude... he should've beta tested it on a private... small test blog. He could've emailed a few of us the address and let us work the kinks out.
As is... I am forced to imagine him watching this...and throwing his head back and cackling with glee.
Seriously... what White Bufalo somehow involved? I'm suspicious.
BTW, I can't believe you haven't noticed my comment on the previous post, very disappointing.
I like what he's trying to do, but yeah, at a minimum, it needs to be off the main page, not in the body of posts, something that is easily refreshable and is at least a wee bit intuitive.
Navigating that thing is like trying to solve a rubik's cube with your fingers chopped off...
SB:
nice.
I didn't even try to use it. Nor will I ever use it as it exists now.
I don't like using beta software. I hate using alpha even more.
I've done QA for a living in the past. I didn't like it. I disliked the chinese programmers even more.
Much of the software I use at work now requires numerous work-arounds to make it do what needs doing.
Because of these things I have a very low threshold for user interface or application function pain and annoyance.
And if a guy like Athor won't bother with it.. how many others won't as well?
Its about as intuitive as a russian helicopter.
I am willing to try new things from time to time. But once I figure that odd flavor is too much fennel(you know what I mean), I stop right there and go back to tried and true.
Let's hope VD does as well.
Sadly he's got a weakness for Shiney.
I'm worried. First Voxonomics, then Voxiversity, now Vox...? Our internet superintelligence has gone viral... VD has gone viral.
Go ahead and email him all of your issues so he can pass them on to the PTB that are in charge of this debacle.
Isn't Vox the Power in charge of his own blog?
Oh, it sucks big time.
Please, Nate, JAC, etc. Please don't change.
All those people that bitched about haloscan, I hope you are happy now.
Yea, I'm a luddite.
Well, now it doesn't work for me at all over there.
Josh, I tried five times to post an answer to your question in the Drinking the Russian Tea thread with no success. So, with Nate's indulgence, I will do so here:
Josh: "Please give us the specifics, h20boy"
Fifth time submitting this, so forgive me if it shows up again...
The reasons are numerous, Josh, but in deference to the subsequent admonition to not list minor glitches that 12 other luddites have already bitched about, I will just post my #1 major dislike:
1. The embedded comments take up too much real estate, to save a single key stroke. Not only does it present bar codes and initially expanded entries for the last few comments, but it also contains empty username and comment boxes for each and every post, whether you intend to use them or not. This detracts from a more simplistic approach to web design, whereby you only present in toto essential information (ie, the posts) and relegate to hyperlinks the less important stuff (ie, comments, etc).
I concede this may be more of a personal preference, but it makes the entire system too cumbersome if it cannot be implemented in a similar manner.
Its with great amusement that I note that the term "ludite" has been adopted with pride by those that dislike the system.
"Isn't Vox the Power in charge of his own blog?"
AJW308
I always thought it was Spacebunny .
Here are some issues...
1) It doesn't work. More than half the time I can't see the newest comments on a given post.
2) Its ugly.
3) You have to register.
4) You have to login and logout.. otherwise it interfere's with other commenting software... like Haloscan. Fucking commies.
Ok... so when using haloscan... you can refresh the comments by clicking "publish" with the comment section blank. We've all done this a billion times.
Except now that I've registered on ComiComents... it doesn't work. If I press "publish" with a blank haloscan screen.. some damned ComiComent update window pops up.
WTF???
How very Microsoft of you.
I think maybe if you disable the Co-comment add-in or log out of Cocomment it might fix that. Maybe. Or not.
And you could use the name Der Hausfrauhrer.
Debacle.
Once again, Spacebunny hits the nail on the head.
I could use Der Hausfrauer... except its not my name. My name is Nate.
Dammit.
Yeah, You would think that Nate would have dibs on his own name.
I second that Dammit.
...except that the registration is not restricted to just Vox' blog.
Such is the price of progress.
Nate, you could use Sammy Albania or whatever your Ron Mexico name was.
Perhaps... but if its not even in beta testing... then the names should've been available... unless a coder was named Nate... and I doubt that. These coders most likely have names like Xian.
"Such is the price of progress"
WaterBoy
If that's progress.........
Like hell it is.
Yeah, I want to be "Josh" again, not "joshonjosh" and certainly not "joshonjosh as Josh".
Think of the positives Nate, everyone is agreeing with you.
That's never happened.
Josh... think back to how many times you've read "I'm with Nate on this."
But like everybody agrees with you Nate, even Pretty Lady.
It's like universal or something.
I also dislike the social networking aspect of the cocomment site.
Where did you see him say that Josh?
The post where he mentioned moving to a new commenting system, I think it was the discuss amongst yourself post that was all shot to hell by FHM and Miley Cyrus.
Also the system takes too damn long to refresh. I post a comment and it takes 5 min before it shows up, if it even shows up.
Nothing brings people together more than something stinkin' the place up, Josh.
Whoever designed that comments crapulence needs to be working at Burger King instead. To say i'm a mite peturbed is a understatement.
It does seem to be working a little better, though.
But that's kinda like saying, "look, that zombie's gettin' up!"
I do like the comment tracking. I wonder if they have some way to disable tracking by others though. I can click on anybody who is registered and see wherever they have commented.
like I said, big brother data-mining.
That does not please me at all, especially given all the gun and anti-gov't talk.
I had not thought of that. I was thinking more like cyberstalking. Whatever the hell that is. I sure felt like I was invading someone's privacy. Panty Raid!!!
They have us all in the database by now anyways.
Also, the dammed cocomment crap pops up if you search Vox's archives, taking it several seconds longer to load.
cyberstalking too, I can see that, I bet Bane's already cyber-fondling any user that sounds like a fat chick.
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2007/...w-
template.html
quote Vox:
Thus we shall stick with the tried and true for the nonce.
What happened to that notion?
Josh... or Nate... could call yourself the One True Josh/Nate, or real Josh/Nate.
I remember Cocomment from before. I don't remember downloding the plugin. Maybe it was automatic when I switched to Firefox. Anyways, it quit working after a couple days, I suppose I deleted the cookies or something, and I forgot about it till now.
This is my hobby, not my job, and I'm not interested in doing anything that looks remotely like work. I understand that Blogger and Haloscan are suboptimal in the eyes of many, but they work for me with a minimum of effort.
I wonder how many hours he's devoted to this mad experiment today?
I say we all send Vox a cocomment friend request as a little payback.
VD didn't register.
Quick, register VD so he can't use it. Then laugh at him. Register Vox too just in case he wants to use that.
VD didn't register.
yes he did
http://www.cocomment.com/comments/VD
I registered VoxDay just be a prick.
Josh, I'd go for that if I knew others were going to join me!
So that's who it was, Nate.
I thought Vox was just registering all variations of his handle just so that wouldn't happen.
Nate, have "Vox Day" send "VD" a friend request...
Yes we complained about Haloscan, it has some genuine usability issues. Nothing built by man is perfect and you can't please everybody at the same time no matter how hard you try.
But,
that thing sitting in the middle of every post at Vox's isn't something I want to even look at.
That's right, I don't even want to look at it. If the eyes don't want to look then the hand doesn't click the link.
Actually it's a little more than mere aesthetic repulsion.
If I want to make a comment in response to a post I then find that the comment system actively discourages the act of commenting. Which means I won't comment. I know, it's such a huge loss to everybody but I'm sure you'll all march on without me.
I also find in reading the comments here that the required registration process makes you trackable beyond just the comments at Vox's blog. I don't like being tracked.
This state of affairs is more than annoying, it generates genuine anger.
Yeah... that shite blows donkey balls.
Very non-intuitive and apparently my cursory evaluation didn't pick up all of the suck.
I don't know if that's good or bad...
AP: "I also find in reading the comments here that the required registration process makes you trackable beyond just the comments at Vox's blog. I don't like being tracked."
While I largely concur with your opinion on the matter, I should clarify that registration is not required to comment.
It still is a more complicated commenting system than HaloScan, but you need not be tracked if you do not wish it.
But if you don't register, you have to type your name every time, which is really annoying.
Waterboy,
Your comments are still easily tracked even though you don't register.
dig?
and it's pretty easy to dig up the stuff using google.
Nate: "Your comments are still easily tracked even though you don't register. dig?"
True enough, but that particular situation is the same regardless of what or how you are communicating: blog comments, email, IM...it's all "trackable" at the lowest level. And the information is not generally available to just anyone. Your best option to stay under the radar there is simply not to communicate at all.
But systems like the coco registration make it easier for any John or Jane Doe to track your online presence. Just click on any of the comments made by any registered user, and see all the details of other places they've visited under this system; the same cannot be said for unregistered commenters.
Correct.
Unfortunately if someone wants to track unregistered user comments with comicoment... they can... very easily.
For example I can track everything you said at VD's today even though you aren't registered.
I cannot track what you said at other blogs.
Josh: " and it's pretty easy to dig up the stuff using google"
Again, true. But it isn't all cross-referenced for easy tracking there.
As always, it depends on how much or how little exposure you desire. I'm not so paranoid that I won't use coco at all, but I don't see enough benefit in registering to offset the privacy loss.
Nate: "For example I can track everything you said at VD's today even though you aren't registered."
How so? Only incidentally as it shows up in other people's "conversations". But I found nothing when I searched the coco site for my own name.
For example, when I pull up your profile, I see my comments in several of the conversations linked to you on both the coco site and the HaloScan site. But when I search for our respective handles under the coco site commenter search, nothing shows up for me but does for you.
Did I miss something?
registered users have access to more powerful searches from their user page.
Again.. nothing has demonstrated any consistancy... but was able to find all your comments today when I perfermed a search from my comicomment user page. I don't remember exactly which tool or widget I used...
Nate you aren't just trying to scare him, are you? "Register like I did... we have access to more powerful searches. One of us. One of us. One of..." Then can laugh at him cause he's in the same boat as you? The one going down river...
Polishing a turd, that's what he's doing. Haloscan is fine. I've never had a problem with it . And Commiecomments ability to root around, that's not cool.
And I'm sober, which makes it worse.
Dammit.
Sober eh? I could say I feel your pain.. but I'd be lieing.
Drink one for me. If I would have known Vox was going to pull that whack-assed crap, I would have got some , for damn sure.
Gone and got some? WTF? you don't keep an emergency stash!?!?
Ben-El, that exact thought had crossed my mind. Not in the "gooble gobble" kinda way, though.
Paybacks are hell, after all...
Vox's blog is dead to me. I have made it quite clear, over the years, that I register for nothing, unless I am banking or buying bullets.
I shall read him still, maybe. But I lose interest when I cannot easily interact. And by 'easily', I mean effortless. The Lazy Force is strong in this one.
I've enjoyed batting his commenters around like cat toys, but I have gone through so many blogs over the years, I am not confused that they need me, nor I them.
Do the employees in those positions have sufficient interpersonal contact with coworkers? ,
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