Yep - I would not willing allow anyone to inject my infant with poison which is basically what you're doing. Ours only have two vaccines apiece (tetanus and polio ) and those not until they were 4 or 5 and spaced very far apart. The only reason we went with the polio is because of the immigration issue where we live.
Its not exactly a disertation... more like the tip of the iceberg. But I hope its enough to kick start a discussion and answer a few questions.
There are areas in the world where, yes, the conditions are so bad that the risk is worth it. The US and most of the rest of the western world it is not worth it.
Both me and my brother had severe allergic reactions to our vaccinations as children, and I was always told it was specifically DPT, but I'm wonderin' now if it was just a reaction to mercury or aluminum. Our boosters were halted after my brother's reaction and our immunization records aren't even a third complete, yet neither of us has been seriously ill hardly a day in our lives. In fact, aside from chicken pox, I can count on my hands every time I've ever even had even a cold, with fingers to spare, despite being "unprotected."
My hands seem tied at this point. We may have to seek a nanny so that we can avoid giving my daughter more vaccines.
I guess if that is the case, I have to trust God to help us out. It is no secret that where I live is expensive. The cost of a daycare is cheaper than a nanny.
This sucks.
i've never understood requiring vacinations for school.
Why is it a big deal?
If the other little bastards are all vaccinated... and all vaccinations work... what does it matter if they are exposed?
oh... maybe its because they know damned well that 20% to 50% of vaccinated kids are not protected at all.
My hands seem tied at this point. We may have to seek a nanny so that we can avoid giving my daughter more vaccines.
I guess if that is the case, I have to trust God to help us out. It is no secret that where I live is expensive. The cost of a daycare is cheaper than a nanny.
This sucks.
Umm... why can't you move?
Sorry about the double-post. Stupid caching...
Good point. We just moved from Cali back to Jersey and bought a house. I'm just establishing my career (or so it seems...) so my money is enough to pay for the mortgage...blah, blah, blah.
The wife works 2 days a week for her pharma company (gasp!). She's been with them since she was barely 21 years old (now 27).
Anyway, long story short: We can't move because we are stuck with a mortgage in a falling housing market. We also believe that God called us to our home church.
If I could, I'd move to the Austin area.
so ya have to vaccinate because of day care 2 days a week?
Yeah... I do believe I'd find a nanny. And Cali to New Jersy??? Are you just attracted to totalitarian shitholes or what?
thanks for this post Nate.
SB and Nate, I know I remember this was discussed before, it is good information.
Are there any vaccines that don't have mercury or aluminum?
Also, My wife says she bit a thermometer off and swallowed it when she was a kid. Explains a lot.
Explain to your wife that mercury's effects are cummulative. As long as she stays away from fish and other mercury sources.. she should be fine. Try to make sure you don't live near any coal burning power plants.
I am sending You an email about this, please watch for it.
my kids when we lived in germany 13 years ago got no piggy backed vaccines and very far apart. when i suggested the same in nj in 200, i was greeted w derision and opposition.
No vaccines for my girl. The more I researched it, the more like I felt I would be a bad parent if I allowed my child to be injected with that crap. Our ped gave us a bit of a speech about it at first, but nothing has been said about it since. We're lucky, though--she's old fashioned.
My boy got the Polio vax but it was spaced out quite a bit. He is 21 months now and very healthy, smart and as big as kids a full year older despite both his mother and I not being very big people. The other kids we know aren't as advanced in many areas and while I KNOW my kid is special I realize that in part they have been hurt by all the crap they inject.
they even try to inject the Hep B vax into kids on their first day out of the womb! but what no one could explain was just how a disease that is spread via sex and needles is going to be a problem for an infant.
Nate,
I guess I like to complain about the local government. Here's a list of places I lived:
CT
MA
NY (Long Island)
NJ
CA
Damn, I'm a Yankee.
Well I was joking about the thermometer Nate. She got some really bad chills, and bit it in half, and swallowed it. I don't think it is hurting anything this many years later.
I live about 50 miles from a coal power plant but the prevailing winds are working in my favor.
Is this form of mercury different from that in fish, which is said to be excreted rather rapidly (over a period of a few months)?
My kids have their vaccines, and they're healthy, for whatever use anecdotes are. Of course, we have lots of kin over there, where all those nasties not only haven't been irradicated, but plenty of others with unknown resevoir species lurk. Also, given the influx of people from elsewhere, where these diseases are still common, into this country, I question if you can protect your children by avoidence. I guess our theory is protect against what you can by vaccination, and hope you don't get unlucky and encounter Ebola or Mayinga or any of the others when you're visiting the family.
By the way, if you aren't having your kids get chicken pox vaccine, make sure they get chicken pox when they're little. It's a nothing disease in a toddler, pretty bad in a teen, and can be deadly in an adult.
Eric, Hep B can be spread pretty easily in a daycare enviornment.
Hep B rarely spreads in a daycare. If a care provider doesn't wash their hands and is infected, then there is a slight chance of infecting others.
The diseases might not be nearly as common in other countries as you think, also if the vaccines have a 50% failure rate then the lack of epidemics shows that avoidance works fine (or that there is no danger).
In addition, young kids in America are much healthier now than they were 100 years ago and modern medicine has also improved (in some areas).
I think I'd rather risk the slight chance of my kid getting the mumps etc than possibly giving him/her permanent brain damage.
And, following the link, I especially enjoyed the blurb about how 20% of autopsied brains contain live mutated measles viruses in them. I wonder if carrying live viruses in your brain for your entire life has any negative impact...
I wonder if carrying live viruses in your brain for your entire life has any negative impact...
Invid
Do you think that might explain "reality TV"? Sounds as plausible an explanation as any other to me.
Hmm... this might warrant a special press release on the MaGoodn News Network.
There's really no way I'd let my kids get vaccinated. Any time I see the govt and big business both pushing something, I run.
Out of all the people who have commented on this thread, how many of you got the "standard" vaccinations? I know I did, and I'm 46. Do you think those vacs hurt you?
I guess the vacs I got in those earlier days must have been worse that those given today.
Now, I'm not defending the vacs, but maybe I'm worse off today for the vacs I got. Quite possibly, I could have been more intelligent? Hasn't there always been autistic children, or was that a modern-day result brought on by the vacs?
I must admit, I cringed when I had to sign those disclaimer statements for my now 23 year old daughter, but she's smart as a whip, and in perfect health.
Just asking: can anyone here say they were the worse for getting them?
The rise in autism, and many other diseases, directly correlated with the increase in vaccinations.
Correlation does not necessarily equal causation, but boy do the graphs ever look similar.
The vacs they give nowadays are much higher in quantity than they were in days past: I'm not sure of the numbers, but I think the amount of vaccine they want to pump into an infant is the equivalent of 33 shots for an adult (by weight).
www.mercola.com has quite a bit of info on the whole vaccine thing.
Clay,
We all received three different vaccines, plus some boosters. The schedule now is insane. Could you have been more intelligent? possibly. No real way to know because it hit everyone at the same time and there are no real control groups besides the amish.
As for autism, that wasn't even known until after vaccinations came out. So the first diagnoses were in, IIRC, the 30s. Also one can look to China where autism was also unknown until the 90s when they started to receive vaccinations.
Thanks for the comments, guys.
I just thought that autistic children, in the olden days, we referred to as "special" children. I didn't think the term "autistic" even appeared until about the 60's. I wonder if some of the priestesess of the Oracle weren't such people. Heck, epilepsy was once considered a favor from the "gods". Julius Caeser for example. ( seems like I read somewhere, sometime, that his name could be correlated with "seizure)
As far as China goes, I wouldn't even think they would admit to any abberations now, much less in the past.
But, again: "Just asking: can anyone here say they were the worse for getting them?" Anything you can point to?
Clay - it depends on what you mean by worse and since there are no long term studies on the subject, much less of the double blind with a real control group it's impossible to say. BUT as has been already pointed out in the 70's we got far fewer vaccines and usually at an later date than the absolutely insane schedule now. In fact, I remember getting the polio vaccine (I'm pretty sure it was the oral polio at any rate) at school - a very different thing getting it as a 6 or 7 year old and getting it as a two month old - the brains are developing at much different rate and the immune system is also at a different level of maturity.
But even if no one here can point to anything specifically amiss, literally millions of people today will give you the same argument - "my kids had all the shots and are perfectly fine". Great- tell it to the parents and doctors who have filed at VAERS I suggest you peruse those records - frankly autism was the least of my concerns - some people/kids/babies die from vaccinations.
Clay... a few things need to be pointed out...
1) The vaccines given today and throughout the 90s are not the same as the vaccines you were given. For one thing there are more of them, for another, thimerosal wasn't used until the Clinton administration.
2) The cooralation between the negative outcomes and the vaccinations is statisticly significant, and its linear.
3) Its stupid to make this more complicated than it is. We know mercury's effects. We know aluminum's effects. When we see those exact effects showing up, and we know mercury and aluminum are being dosed... then it is completely assinine to think that mercury and aluminum are not the cause.
Think about in automotive terms. You know your car has a dead battery. You know cars with dead batteries don't start. So when car doesn't start when you turn the key... are you going to check and make sure it has gas in it before you assume the DEAD BATTERY is the culprit?
No. Before you do anything else.. you're going to change the battery.
"my kids had all the shots and are perfectly fine".
No one can make that arguement because the consequences are usually soft. The brain's development was hindered but how much? maybe you just lost a few IQ points. If your IQ was gonna be 140 and instead its 130... no biggie. But if it was gonna be 100 and its 80... well that IS a big deal. And as SB said... autism and speach impediments are by no means the worst worries.
See Gulf War Syndrome for details.
Not to mention many vaccines are cultured in cells taken from aborted babies.
Still, it seems most vaccines are pretty safe, with less to worry about now that most childhood vaccines do not have thimerosal. Some vaccines are simply not necessary.
The crazy thing is the dosages and schedules. Pumping all those recommended shots full of aluminum adjuvents and whatever other preservatives into infant and toddler bloodstreams is wacko. We allowed the DTaP combo shot at around 2.5 years but that was it. Actually only did two doses. Be aware of the wee little ones risk of Pertussis if they are put right into daycare or similar situations. It probably won't kill them, but it can be rough. Girls should get Rubella vaccine before they are in childbearing years. There's a time and place for most vaccines. The CDC puts out a one size fits all approach to cover the parent who can hardly teach a kid to tie his own shoe. I say as long as there's no consistent contact with recent immigrant groups or snotty masses of daycare kids, begin vaccination at 3 yrs.
As an aside, the first vaccination turned out to be a proud moment for a new father. The staff was in awe of how confident the kids were in us. No anxiety or fear, no more than a spontaneous twitch when they stabbed 'em with that needle, then back to whatever they were doing, safe in mom and dad's arms. Rather offset the implicit suspicion of bad parenting directed at any family not toeing the official CDC/FDA/Pharma line.
"This has really, really been a difficult time for us," said Betty Despenza-Green, the school system's chief of student services. "It hurts us when any child is out of school because he needs to be immunized...We need those students immunized. We need them in schools."
Wow, what compassion! She hurts for the poor souls. Oh wait a minute here...they don't get as much MONEY when the little beasts aren't in school do they...
The big thing is to watch for adverse reactions when you do decide to give your child a vaccine (or get one yourself for that matter). My criteria for the kids was very mild redness/bruise at injection site and maybe being sleepy that same day. That's it. Anything else is a red flag.
So many of the VAERS cases involve parents continuing to give vaccines to the child, even after obvious adverse reactions, usually on the insistence of the doc or public authority.
So, would anybody here take a smallpox vaccine today? From what I've read, mine would have long worn off today. But I hear it would devastate the population today, if it were to be released. Biological warfare is the way I think we'll really begin to see the end.
And, I really appreciate all the replies you have given me so far in this thread
many vaccines are cultured in cells taken from aborted babies.
WTF??!!
Clay, if there was a credible threat of small pox I would get the vaccine. Another thing to keep in mind is that with few exceptions most of these diseases are not deadly (the common cold can be deadly to the wrong person), but some have potentially life altering side effects (mumps can make some men sterile for instance although my brother had it and has two healthy children...)to a small percentage of people, for most though it is simply unpleasant and in my opinion the risk of the vaccine in most cases is greater than the risk of the disease, many of which can be treated.
http://www.vaccinetruth.org/
feta...etal_tissue.htm
Here's just one place - even the CDC has info on it Bill.
bill,
All sorts of crap in them
Human embryo, chicken embryo, vesicle fluid from calf skin, monkey kidney cells, rhesus monkey fetal lung cells, aluminum potassium, formaldehyde, thimerosal, aluminum hydroxide...
Just a bunch of goodness, really. No need to worry.
"Biological warfare is the way I think we'll really begin to see the end."
Biological weapons are a ton more complicated than nuclear weapons. That's what people don't realize. The delivery mechinisms are simple in fiction... but in reality they are nearly impossible.
if there was a credible threat of small pox I would get the vaccine.
Ditto.
Good work here, Nate et. al.
Like jrl we did DTaP at around 2.5 years for our son. That's it until he's older.
I've been vaccinated against just about everything... but that was after I was 20 years old. No ill effects to report, but I'm on the down hill slope in terms of brain development anyway.
Clay, it is different these days... there is an air of desperation in the way that vaccination is pushed by the authorities (school/medical). I don't know if they're attempting to inoculate themselves against lawsuits or just sell more shots...
They can go to hell, as far as I'm concerned. If my kids are denied any right or privilege due to their lack of vaccinations, I'll make sure that decision costs them a lot more than the authority thought it would.
Here's a question: Why take the MMR vaccine? Neither of the diseases are fatal. When I was a kid, they were just part of being a kid.
The vaccine is mandated to attend the public schools via paid off politicians. Merck makes billions from the vaccines and lobbies for them to be required via any means they can.
Look at the HPV vaccine that is new. They are trying to force this additional vaccine on the public so they can make their $2 Billion, annually.
The downside is there are something like 21 strains of HPV and the vaccine only protects against 4 of them. One could vaccinate the entire population of young women and they are still at risk of HPV.
Also the link between HPV and cervical cancer is vague. Some women with HPV don't get cervical cancer, some women HPV free do get cervical cancer. Their literature states something like "the vaccine may protect women from the virus that may cause cervical cancer". Multiple use of the word "may" should raise suspicions.
My last point against the HPV vaccine, and I received this verbally, is that young women face a greater risk of death from the vaccine than they do from cervical cancer. Not only is it not needed at the young age that they want to administer it, it's actually a serious risk compared to the option of not taking it.
All I see is billion dollar industry, big enough that it can purchase legislation to make it a requirement, targeting a population that is apathetic (if the parents really cared, would they send their kids to public schools?).
Neither of the diseases are fatal. When I was a kid, they were just part of being a kid.
Actually AJW - it's three disease, measles, mumps and rubella. I completely agree with you about it being a generally nonfatal childhood disease, the only caveat I would add is that it is important for women of childbearing age to get the rubella vaccine because if they get this disease while pregnant the effects are devastating for the baby.
I think my mom had most of the childhood disease and yes, some of them do have potential side effects and yes, some of them can be fatal - for a certain segment of the population that already has health issues. My nephew got the DTP vaccine as in infant and it was important because he was a premmie to whom a lung infection would be extremely dangerous. In that case the risk of the disease out weighs the risk of the vaccine.
Don't even get me started on the HPV vaccine.
- The WHO states there is no safe dosage of mercury. Trace elements are to much.
Sort of unrelated:
but that brings to mind amalgam fillings. I have nine. Guess I'll have to look into it.
the only caveat I would add is that it is important for women of childbearing age to get the rubella vaccine because if they get this disease while pregnant the effects are devastating for the baby.
Then vaccinate women against rubella, but only if Merck will accept the loss in revenue.
Also I knew that MMR is for three diseases. Just misuse of the word. I tried stretching it beyond it's denotation, but you had to call me on it.
Sorry.
This is known as "don't look, don't find."
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