Nothing wrong with a good .303 British.
I know I have mentioned it before, but when I considered buying my rifle, I didn't know much about the .303, so I asked my local gun shop owner. This is a paraphrase of the conversation:
ME: I am considering buying a .303 British. It is a dependable rifle?
HIM: It has been killing people for a lots of years
So I bought it.
a better recommendation is hard to come by.
A blunderbuss.
I was gonna say FAL, but you stole it. So.... Colt Single Action Army, and the venerable Springfield 45-70.
The wench keeps the theme going! Well done lass! now bring us some ale.
Feel free to expand on my statement bill. I just said it. I didn't much back it up.
I, too, was thinking FAL. I have one, though it's a Century Arms, and not very accurate.
Remington 700
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Agree on the FAL... the only real deficiencies in it in my estimation are the dismal, wobly, non-elevation-adjustable (except the fixed range adjustment) rear sight, and the issue trigger tends to be on the heavy side.
JM, send your lower off to Denny Williams for a set-trigger conversion. Have you tightened up your rear sight? You can take out a lot of the wobble.
Ya know, after a couple beers and some cogitating, I think I might have to nominate the Springfield 45-70 as the most under-appreciated firearm. I mean, the original trap-door versions are truly beautiful guns, extremely historically significant (being the direct fore-barer of the famous Lee-Enfield 45-70), and the box-mag Springfield would probably be considered overpowered but otherwise suitable even today as a military or sporting firearm - few modern rounds pack the punch of a 45-70. In fact, the round is still popular for big game, but the rifle that made it a household name a century ago is forgotten.
So. Can anyone come up with a more significant, yet more forgotten, firearm than the Springfield 45-70?
Henry rifles are popular in lots of movies, as are any of the lever action Colts, Marlins, and their umpteen variants, Mausers and whatnot are widely admired, and number of re-enactors walk around with Sharps, but I can't think of anywhere that the Springfield is showcased.
Springfield "Trapdoor";
http://www.uberti.com/firearms/
s...ld_trapdoor.php
I've got one.
It was/is called the Apache. It was only a 7 mm caliber...but this was not just a revolver.
It was a revolver, knife, AND knuckle-duster. It could probably be called the Swiss Army weapon.
http://www.gizmowatch.com/entry/...rpose-revolver/
By the by, have you seen the battle flag Borak's flying on his blog?
I know it's a ripoff of the tommy gun, and it had problems with misfeeding, but the Russian PPSh-41 was cheap, durable and highly effective.
I gotta go along with Bill. The 45-70 and the other variants 50-90 etc are a important stepping stone in American gun making as well as in firearms development.
The Krag line deserves similar recognition too.
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Okay everybody relax, I'm here.
Hey Res, you wanna get personal? Get on Facebook you bitch. They roped me in, so you're gullible. Do it.
If you're serious about getting a FAL then look at DSA.
http://www.dsarms.com/
They make em right here in the USA. None of this Century Arms parts-bin basket case crap.
As for an original offering to this thread I got the Beretta 8000 series. They use a different method for breech lockup, the barrel rotates as the slide cycles. Surprisingly accurate.
I got one more. A single shot rifle springs to mind. It's called the Werder. Late 1800's Bavarian.
http://www.militaryrifles.com/
Ba...rousWerder.html
I found out about them from reading the S.M. Stirling Nantucket series of novels.
http://www.amazon.com/Island-
Sea...pd_bxgy_b_img_c
With the right cartridge these guns could have served Germany well but the Mauser model 98 came along.
I would love to get my hands on a Werder.
I'm thinking my next purchase will be a vz-58 from this group:
http://www.czechpoint-usa.com/pr...s/vz-58-rifles/
Luke: My FAL is simply not very well made. I doubt a reasonable amount of money would make it a worthy firearm. I wanted a FAL, and bought it cheap. It's just not very accurate.
Athor Pel: I've been drooling for a FAL from DS Arms for a long time. Finances prohibit such a purchase, and every time I pick up an AR-10 carbine I fall in love. AR-10s just fit me so well, and (for me) the FALs just feel somewhat awkward (I'm 5'9" or so). I believe the FAL is a better gun, reliability-wise, but I love the way the AR-10 feels.
I became a FAL/LIAI fan after reading "SAS: Secret War in Southeast Asia" by Peter Dickins (decendant of Charles).
The four man SAS teams in the book always consisted of 3 guys with FALs and one guy (radio operator / medic) with an AR. The AR man's job was to "spray" at the first sign of contact while the 3 other fellows fell back, took cover and started picking off the persuers.
At any rate, the .308's ability to sink canoes, stop engines, and shoot through trees was a good compliment to the ARs ability to keep heads down.
To me, though, the most intresting details in the book involved the SAS's diabolical creativity with Claymore mines. Brilliant, sneaky bastards, the Brits.
(Oh, and the Aussies too. There were more than proportionately represented in the book).
New Castle really isn't a premier lager.
I'm going to nominate the M1 Garand. Although it's appreciated as a great historical battle rifle, most people seem to discount it as a modern defense weapon. Yes, it's heavy, and semiauto, but in a civilian setting it's still very effective. Not the least of its virtues is that standard ball 30-06 ammo will reliably punch through almost all body armor at reasonable engagement ranges, and AP will penetrate anything less robust than EOD blast protection. It kicks, but the weight of the gun mitigates the recoil, and if things get up close and personal, it can be used effectively in CQC without worrying if the stock will break when you buttstroke someone.
As I understand it possession of a concealed carry permit and membership in a state rifle association fulfills the requirements to purchase a surplus M1 from the CMP, so they can also be acquired for a very reasonable price (guess what I'm buying as soon as my wife's job situation gets straightened out).
Newcastle is awesome. What would you recommend, though, Spacebunny?
New Castle really isn't a premier lager
This is true.
It is, however, a premium ale...
Remington nylon 66, chrome.
The wench keeps the theme going! Well done lass! now bring us some ale.
I'm not Nancy.
Newcastle is awesome. What would you recommend, though, Spacebunny?
Duh. Guinness.
I also love Newcastle.
Damn. I should have got some Piraat Ale when at the liquor store tonight. It's spendy, but very potent and very tasty.
Y'all pirate wannabes should get some for yourself. Better than grog, it is.
Hmmmm... Nate, you been peeking into my safe?
Savage 99 - agreed. Have it in .308. Sweet is an understatement.
FN - enough said. Not afraid to be the hammer, or to drop the hammer when needed.
HR 999. nice little backpack .22. Snakekiller, can take a beating, and will not disappoint.
That's all off the top of my head.
I got another one. It's a revolver.
Remington 1858 Army in .44 or .36 caliber.
As far as I know it was the first mass produced revolver with a strap going over the top of the cylinder, thereby greatly increasing frame strength and the pistol's ability to handle larger powder charges as well as larger calibers.
The shooter could quickly, quick being relative in the days of cap and ball, change out the cylinder, thereby effecting a full reload. I've read of cavalry doing this even while on horse back.
A group of horsemen armed with a brace of Remingtons each were a force to be reckoned with if each horseman could shoot pistols well even while on the move. Numerous eye witness accounts exist of groups in the war of northen aggresion doing just that.
Pistol wielding cavalry going up against saber wielding cavalry was not something the saber wielders would live through.
Sig Sauer P-210
A: A trendy, expensive single malt scotch that I will just stare at all evening since I don't drink. But I will look cool doing it.
T: Tobacco releases CO2 and smokers will make Obama's super awesome health plan expensive, so I say tobacco should be banned.
F: How many times does a firearm have to get up off a table on its own volition and shoot an innocent victim? Guns must be banned.
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