Spoiled brat and meth addict boyfriend. This is just my hunch. Nothing but pure speculation. They didn't get what they wanted for Christmas. Only a meth head would kill their own sibling's little children. Not to mention their own parents and siblings.
Mike Schuler | 12.27.07 - 2:54 am | #

Sadly, you're probably right, Mike Schuler. I'm curious as to why the police didn't investigate further the 911 call. Although they're saying it wouldn't have made a difference?

Where I live, the police must make contact with someone at the residence before leaving. We have two phone lines in our house and a few years back the ofc phone called 911 on its own. Dispatch tried to call us back, but we don't pay attention to that line on the weekends. The police showed up . . . and even asked if they could come in to make sure there wasn't anything weird going on.
Andie | 12.27.07 - 7:41 am | #

Here too, Andie. I also had phone line problems once and the police came knocking.

Al
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Al ias Always In Flyover Country
AlwaysInFlyoverCountry | 12.27.07 - 9:01 am | #

I doubt the murders occurring on Christmas Eve was a coincidence. Could be that the stresses of the holiday acted as a catalyst, but most likely, the daughter was making a statement with the date chosen.

Like Mike speculates, drugs probably played a huge factor. Sounds at first glance like a "misunderstood" wayward child scenario. Once a good girl, she fell in with the wrong crowd. Probably started dabbling in drugs at a very early age and by high school, had definitely chosen her own path (following the wrong types of influences, like her boyfriend.).

Yet, her parents hung on to hope, hoping that the daughter they knew wasn't gone forever. They tried to help her with her addiction, even a possible mental illness. She didn't see THAT as love, only her parents' desire to control her.

This heinous murder was probably motivated by resentment and greed. It was either drug fueled or simply a calculated crime executed by callous individuals who couldn't care less that two innocent children would be among the casualties. (Then again, if it was money motivated, leaving survivors means less "cake" for Michele and Joseph.)

It's always tricky though, cause you can never be certain of what type of home life a person who commits such horrible acts experienced, especially during the formative years. While this is never an excuse for such actions, it does help you understand the "whys", at least from the killer's perspective.
Luke | 12.27.07 - 10:48 am | #

For those into judging a book by its cover, I present to you, the boyfriend.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/ da...27_suspect1.jpg

Also read that the two lovebirds met through an online dating site.
Luke | 12.27.07 - 11:01 am | #

The following is my perspective: There aren't too many 29 yr old Michele Andersons in that small town - I grew up there and I'm certain I went to school with her. If she's the Michele Anderson I think she is, I don't believe she was into drugs during high school. She was a bit of a social outcast - a little insecure and introverted but otherwise nice and friendly with an infectious, goofy laugh. Very good with a pencil and paint brush, I remember she'd draw dragons and such with great, intricate detail in our senior year drawing and painting class. She was very imaginative and we'd compare projects often in that class. A lot can change in the 10 years after high school but this is a change you wouldn't expect anyone to take. While the sad end result is the same, I'm hoping this isn't the Michele Anderson that I'm almost positive it is. Her living situation was the Carnation-rut some people there never avoided - sometimes you gotta get out of that town for a while, find yourself, and then come back and enjoy it with a different perspective. A very sad time for Carnation.
BD | 12.27.07 - 12:54 pm | #

Thank you for the inside scoop, BD!

I feel terribly for the people of your town.

Yes, A LOT can change in ten years, but the possibility that drugs weren't involved makes this all the more sickening. There had to be a lot more going on with these individuals than just materialistic greed. There would seemingly have to be something at least slightly off kilter about the family dynamics.... I mean, how does such rage manifest, that someone could kill two little tiny children? For money???

I know people have killed for less, but I get the vibe that there's more to this.... Jesus, three generations... gone, just like that...
Luke | 12.27.07 - 7:16 pm | #

They have a picture of Michele Anderson posted at Crime Rant.
Mike Schuler | 12.27.07 - 10:20 pm | #

As Mike Schuler said, pictures are circulating the internet and it's confirmed that it is the Michele Anderson I thought it was. It's very strange - knowing how this person was in high school. Sure, everyone says that the suspect is nice and wouldn't do such a thing... from all the school shootings to even Gary Ridgeway. But from people who know the perpetrators, it creates a strange feeling. Michele and I were in a group of seniors in that art class that worked on a mural in the Cedarcrest High School cafeteria. If I remember correctly and if the mural is still there, her name is signed there along with mine and the rest of the group's names. We were a group comprised of the art teacher's "favorites;" chosen because we would do a good job with the creation. Sure, there was a sense of pride with it but it was also an opportunity to get out of class and goof off! Thinking back on these memories and then knowing the cold-blooded act that had occurred is very unsettling. I want to believe that my perception of people is true and genuine - that people are good. But reality is always bound to set in and, as one year-book's slogan said: "It Takes All Kinds."
BD | 12.27.07 - 11:23 pm | #

Michele and her boyfriend had a business called "Pure Evil Customs." The MSM reported that they didn't know what kind of business it is, but a check with the Washington State Department of Revenue business records showed it was an automotive painting and body repair business.

They had a web site that is now closed at www.pureevilcustoms.com, but you can still see it via the Wayback Machine. Michelle Gray posted some links to the picture gallery of their work over at Crime Rant.

They were doing body and paint in a back yard garage. Their "paint booth" was just some plastic sheets stapled to the sheet rock in a garage. The only ventilation I could see from the pictures was the door. The door has to stay closed while the paint is sprayed so that dust does not land on the wet paint. Make shift operations don't have fresh-air oxygen resperator systems. They were probably just using a face mask filter which is cheap, but not safe.

Before, I figured meth had to be involved, but now I think brain damage from paint fumes is also involved. Modern automotive paint systems are extremely poisonious. Breathing the fumes in a make-shift paint booth like they had would make a person very high, and cause permenant brain damage.

I've met a few back-yard car painters in my day, and some of them had visible and easily apparent signs of brain damage from breathing the paint fumes.
Mike Schuler | 12.28.07 - 3:29 am | #

Sounds like it was a long simmering "poor me" complex held by Michele.

I read an article that spoke of an abusive childhood yet every other article I've read quotes nothing but good things about Michele's family.

It sounds like they had been nothing but helpful to her.

The latest article I read says that after Michele's sister-in-law was shot, she survived that intitial shot, crawled to the phone, and attempted to call 911. McEnroe instead came and grabbed the phone out of her hand...thus the hang up call to 911.

I hope I never have to make a 911 call in that county. It's inexplicable to me how anybody responding to a 911 call can just turn around and not proceed to find out if there is an emergency. That's what people call 911 for...and to find a locked gate and silence after hearing from the dispatcher that there were loud noises...says that OF COURSE it should have been checked out. That's my biggest nightmare. That I'll be attacked in my own home, call 911, and have the police at my door, "see no need to investigate" and then leave.

It sounds like the sister-in-law and children were shot a few moments later, but, if law enforcement had went to the house, the bodies would have at least been discovered earlier and the coworker would not have had the trauma of discovering them.

Also, Michele and her boyfriend could have been apprehended sooner.

Thank goodness the improper response to that 911 call didn't result in a further crime spree by these two. What if Michele had decided to target the surviving sister and her family??
Darby | 12.28.07 - 7:49 pm | #

Pure Evil wasn't a business with her boyfriend. It was a business with the brother that she murdered.
Sheila | 12.28.07 - 7:57 pm | #

That's in the blog post, in an update made today. Please, everyone -- read the blog entry before you comment.
Steve Huff | Homepage | 12.28.07 - 8:11 pm | #

After reading this article, it sounds to me that both of these people had mental issues, that festered when together.

I'd like to know what kind of anxiety problem she was diagnoised with. She sounds like a loon.

Still can't get past shooting a 6 and 3 year old point blank. Evil.

http:// seattletimes.nwsource.com...uspects28m.html
thefirstdiane | 12.28.07 - 9:23 pm | #

Evil is not a mental desease. Evil is evil.

Oh, my lord.. you shoot a three year old point blanck? That's pure evil!

Evil is. Evil is what THIS is. The rest of us will never understand.., but evil is evil, and it does exist.

Mental issuses? Oh, give me a break!!I have mental issues sometimes,and what do I do??? I talk to my cat...

God have mercy: Let these 29-years olds go to their death before anybody else gets to them.

How in the h%ll could anybody do this?

All from the Norwegian troll, Kirsti!
kirsti | 12.28.07 - 10:49 pm | #

does anyone know who the family member(Ben) commenting is? Is there another sibling besides Michele and the brother that she murdered?
This story is just so sickening and depressing, that anyone has the capacity to shoot two children in the head ON CHRISTMAS EVE, let alone children that he had to have on some level thought of as his niece and nephew since he had been with Michele long enough to be around when both children were born, is so upsetting.
Brandi | 12.28.07 - 11:01 pm | #

I agree with the meth addict assumption after reading an artical about how they had black plastic over their windows because they knew their neighbors were spying on them. Classic dope head paranoia.
Brandi | 12.28.07 - 11:05 pm | #

One of the luxuries of blogging independently on a given subject is this: I can choose to stop blogging about it. No one is paying me at the moment to blog about the Anderson murders. After hearing the prosecutor's account today of what he thinks happened, especially the part where the children were killed, I realized I can't go any further with blogging about this. It's like the Harvey murders in Richmond in 2006 -- too horrible for me to want to look at, anymore. This blog entry has had its last update. I know my limits, and the deaths of Olivia and Nathan raise this one beyond this crime blogger's limits.

I have enough nightmares to contend with already.
Steve Huff | Homepage | 12.28.07 - 11:09 pm | #

Michele had an older sister. Her son is named Ben Anderson. They are the only surviving family-memebers.

This is not like the Harvey murders.

This is about an aunt who kills her little niese and nephew, a daughter who kills her parents, her brother and his wife.

And it was all planned. Why? Nobody knows.
kirsti | 12.28.07 - 11:22 pm | #

Sorry, forgot to mention: Killers had no signs of drugs or alcohol in their bodies. So stop the meth-speculations! Wasn't there! Pure evil, that's all! Goodnight!
kirsti | 12.28.07 - 11:25 pm | #

Kirsti, you didn't read my comment closely if you thought I was comparing this to the Harvey murders in that way. I was speaking from a subjective viewpoint. I am completely clear on the differences in the actual stories of what happened. Arguably clearer on those differences than just about anyone who might leave a comment here.

It is like the Harvey murders in that complete innocents were murdered for no discernible reason. For me, personally, reading about the senseless executions of children is the same, no matter the makeup of the overall story. It is, as I said, my limit. I blogged about the Harvey murders too. I wrote about them professionally for Court TV's Crime Library. I'd gone so far as to obtain my own sources in the case and begin some real in-depth work. Then I learned some details about the deaths of the Harvey children and it was too nightmarish, too awful. An internal wall went up.

I have a 6-year-old daughter and a 4-year-old son, too. If the Harvey mention didn't make it clear as to why I have to stay away from this one, then that should do it.
Steve Huff | Homepage | 12.28.07 - 11:36 pm | #

BTW -- while nothing you've written seems all that trolly, Kirsti, you may want to stay away from calling yourself that in the future. Most bloggers are like me and will happily delete every word from a troll and ban their IPs and any messages that sound like that person in the future.
Steve Huff | Homepage | 12.28.07 - 11:39 pm | #

Steve, I thoroughly understand. The Harvey's murders were horrendous. I never knew how horrible, till I watched a documentary on MSNBC one night. It gave me nightmares.
thefirstdiane | 12.28.07 - 11:48 pm | #

Sorry, Steve.. I didn't mean to call myself a troll.

I come from another culture. We love to debate. Where I come from, we mostly debate with our hands. Hard to do in writing...

I do understand your reaction to the Harvey murders. So horrible.

Every summer I go back to my homeland for one reason: to get close to my nieces and nephews and to be close to my family in general.

Harvey's was attacked by strangers. Thiefs. Harveys experienced the worst of nightmares: Crazy strangers invading their home.

We all fear them. We double-lock our doors, because we know they are out there.

Anderson family was attacked by one of their own. It makes it so much harder to understand. And I can't even imagine why.

They came with their two kids to celebrate Christmas eve with family. Like we all do. They didn't run in to a crazy guy. It was their aunt.

The person you would always let into your home. A person you loved and trusted.

I'll respect your rules. I'll never call myself a troll again, even though where i come from the biggest entertainment is to provoke and debate... kind of "get the conversation going thing." I have to admit I love it, especially when all those arms start swinging. (Up in the air, not at each other.)

Sorry for that..

More sorry I am for the Andersons..
kirsti | 12.29.07 - 2:34 am | #

Horrific! Drugs, alcohol, nor 'he made me' - 'she made me' will do! They both need to be erased!!!

I have a 2 yr. old, 5 yr. old, and 16 yr. old. I, too, am feeling like I cannot research and/or speak as I want too, in that I would probably be banned from any blog I read (this is the only one I post too, fyi). I cannot get any closer to this than to read here!

Innocent eyes looking at a familiar face, yet to be murdered by that family member is just awful, but the innocent eyes of a child looking at the face of their aunt and aunt's boyfriend, having witnessed whatever they did, and then being murdered is the WORST OF THE WORST!!!

They need to serve forever (hopefully not for long), and "survive" within the "general population". No protection afforded! I've read the court's charges, and if I hear of a "deal" I actually may have a meltdown!!!

Bless those passed, bless THOSE INNOCENT BABIES, and I hope and pray that they are all together!
RockyMtnMom | 12.29.07 - 4:48 am | #

This has made headlines in the UK it is such a horrific story. The murders of the family and particularly the children is just so abhorrent...inexplicable and evil. It's reported over here that McEnroe said 'sorry' to the little ones before he shot them. Words cannot express.
blimeyhecks | 12.29.07 - 7:41 am | #

I'm going to continue to speculate that they were meth users, even if it was only occasionally. Kirsti, how do you know the killers had no drugs in their systems? Was a search warrant issued for blood tests or hair samples? I haven't seen anything like that in any of the news stories, and I've read them all and I'm only 250 miles away, so I get all of the local news as well.

Even if they did take samples for drug testing, it takes longer than 2 days for the tests to come back.

Also, Meth can only be detected withing 48 hours of its use. If they hadn't used any because they were broke and couldn't buy any or their connection wasn't available, it wouldn't show in their systems, but they would still be suffering from the speed freak urge to get more.

They were unusually paranoid, blacking out the windows on their trailer so people can't peek in. That is typical meth-head behavior.

Why were they having money problems? With free rent and the job at Target, they could have made ends meet fairly easily if they weren't spending on vices.

And finally, the jailhouse picture posted by the Seattle paper that you can see at Crime Rant shows a guy who just turned 29 about 8 weeks ago, but he already has the under eye bags developing that shouldn't happen for another 10 years.

We have a meth epidemic in Washington State. McEnroe looks and fits the typical meth-head profile. The lifestyle and actions of both Anderson and McEnroe are typical for brain damaged meth users.
Mike Schuler | 12.29.07 - 12:54 pm | #

While I believe there is a history of drug use of all kinds here, the mental illnesses are what I'm looking for.
Not an excuse, that's just what it looks like to me.
Of course, I'm one who thinks that mental illness is no argument for escaping the DP.
Also, I think this is a one-in-a-million meetings of 2 somewhat benign entities becoming greater than the sum of their parts.
Like Bonnie and Clyde, or Karla and Paul.
Fire and Gasoline.
lisafer the unholy | 12.29.07 - 8:22 pm | #

I wonder how the 2 of them became so greedy?
The whole thing was methodically planned, I also wonder why they came back.
Yes, definitely planned on Christmas Eve, as if to make even more evil the deed.
I bet they're into all kinds of "dark" stuff cause it's so cool.
lisafer the unholy | 12.29.07 - 8:29 pm | #

Lisafer wrote: "I think this is a one-in-a-million meetings of 2 somewhat benign entities becoming greater than the sum of their parts."

My thoughts exactly. Two people that as individuals might be fairly harmless come together and spark a horrific kind of chemistry that creates truly ruthless, evil criminality.
Steve Huff | Homepage | 12.29.07 - 8:32 pm | #

Oh, and Kirsti -- I understood you, and actually, I've welcomed your commentary. I basically agree with you. Some things are just... evil.

The word "troll" in this setting is just a trigger, that's all. But most of my blog's trolls are usually family members of accused criminals, their friends, people who think they know them, or the occasional a-hole who wants to be a criminal defense attorney when they grow up. You don't fit any of those troll definitions and are most certainly welcome, as far as I'm concerned.
Steve Huff | Homepage | 12.29.07 - 8:43 pm | #

OK, Steve.. What really is a troll? Coming from Norway, trolls are just a part of our folklore. When you are 3 and you have a tantrum, your mother will call you a troll, tantrum goes on.. no 3 year old is afraid of trolls.

But you Americans are!

I think a troll is like a republican posting huffington post or something..

Well.. so you are only allowed to debate with people you allready agree with?

I'm asking this because I need to know. I love to write and I love to belong. I don't want to be shunned or banned.

Hope you understand that this is an honest question.

My anger when it comes to what happened to the Anderson-family is still so raw. I better don't say no more until I cool down.

I moved to Seattle because of the incredible lutefisk. Now my neighbor's dauther is jailed in Italy.

I was going to buy my friend a bottle of Absolute for Christmas, but the liquer-store was closed. There had been a shooting in the parking-lot.



My computer is only 5 days old. I got it for Christmas. I'm so amazed. I'm so new. Please have patience.
kirsti | 12.30.07 - 3:52 am | #

Lisafer's quote IS a good summation, true crime history is littered with these strange combinations of people who apart are relatively harmless and together become malevolent. (I'm not sure Paul Bernardo fits into that category though, coz I think that evil b8stard would've been the same with or without Karla Homolka at his side - perhaps she pushed his boundaries though).
blimeyhecks | 12.30.07 - 6:16 am | #

Kirst, I understand now -- read this, and the "troll" thing should make sense:

Internet Troll

A quote from the article linked above:

"An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial messages in an on-line community such as an on-line discussion forum with the intention of baiting other users into responding emotionally..."

A commentator who disagrees with others is not always a troll -- not at all. So don't get that idea. Trolling as defined above is essentially harassment, which is a far cry from healthy debate.

Hope that helps.
Steve Huff | Homepage | 12.30.07 - 10:50 am | #

They were unusually paranoid, blacking out the windows on their trailer so people can't peek in. That is typical meth-head behavior.

We have a possibility of drug usage but a confirmed unapproved "spray booth" that lacked proper ventilation and exposed the user to inordinately high levels of organic solvents. I would expect the spray booth (so-called) is what fried their brains. I am not completely discounting the possibility of drug abuse, though I believe any drug abuse that the couple indulged in was only a secondary or tertiary factor in their mental deterioration.

Al
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Al ias Always In Flyover Country
AlwaysInFlyoverCountry | 12.30.07 - 11:32 am | #

Somebody asked above why Michele and her boyfriend went back to the scene of the crime...I had read yesterday that they went back under the guise of pretending that they had discovered the bodies.

But, when they were on the road to the parent's house, the police were already there, and stopping cars.

When the police stopped Michele and her boyfriend, the policeman became suspicious because of Michele's demeanor and the fact that they didn't ask the policemen what had happened or what was going on.

So. Looks like they had planned to go back to the scene of the crime, "discover" the bodies, and call the police.

A part of that shows lucidity and deception but I feel that they were really just a couple of "poor me" bumbling murderers, who went off to show the parents a thing or two about a thing or two and they were probably high as a kite and mad about some perceived wrong...when it does seem, based on what accounts I have read from the local papers there in Seattle, that the parents were nothing but helpful to Michele. Seriously, to let your 29-year-old live rent free on your property is nicer than most parents could ever be.

I agree with Steve and Lisafer - on their own, Michele and boyfriend were probably just a couple of harmless junkies but together...kaboom.
Darby | 12.30.07 - 6:19 pm | #

I've read again some of McEnroe's statements. There are a couple that irritate me more than the rest of the idiocy he's been spouting. They are the statements that he makes about having more respect for life now and not knowing how much it means "until something like this happens."

Excuse me!???! He only has "more respect" because his life is now on the line. He had plenty of time to ponder reverence for life before he and the she-beast pre-planned the cold-blooded slaughter of six innocent people. I'm sure his feeble mind cannot even begin to comprehend the permanent and far-reaching effects on those who loved them and the rest of the human race who has heard of these heinous acts.

And then he says "when something like this happens." This is another ignorant criminal statement that makes my blood boil. He makes this statement as if he's innocent, as if it's something THAT HAPPENED TO HIM, not the savage behavior he perpetrated on others. HE MADE THIS HAPPEN. It didn't just happen. This is his way of distancing himself from his actions and denying responsibility. In his mind he's the victim.

"Waaa! Waaa! Where's my mommy? Where's my family that I dumped years ago? I love them. I need them especially now. Waaa! Waaa! I need them to come save me and get me out of this mess. You know it's all their fault I am how I am. They owe me."

And beastly Michele, well, I'm certain she's remorseless, too. After all, her brother owed her money according to her and her parents wouldn't back her up. They made her do this. What choice did she have? An entitled beast. They come no worse than her.

This kind of criminal thinking is what makes criminals so dangerous. They blame the victim(s)and feel justified in their actions. Everyone else is responsible for their behavior instead of them. "If only people would do what I want" then the world would be a perfect place, "for me, anyway. Damn others. It's all about me and what I want. They made me do it."

"They made me do it" is one of the most absurd and contradictory criminal thinking errors. No one, and I mean no one, can get them to do anything they don't want to do. Ah, but when they commit a crime, it was someone else's fault.
Sam3080 | 12.30.07 - 9:01 pm | #

Manipulated into shooting babies, grandma/grandpa? The brother and his wife?

Nobody can manipulate any reasonable person to do such thing.

Did they have too many dixie-bars? Did they sleepwalk? Did they lose a pair of pants at the dry-cleaners? Maybe that drove them over the edge?

My point is: there is now valid excueses for either of them.

If God has mercy.. These two people need to be eliminated.

I say so with tears in my eyes, cause i'm so against the death-penalty. I just want these two to go to the hinterland.

This is my honest statement.Killings like this have to end. No more excuses.
kirsti | 12.31.07 - 1:35 am | #

As Steve says above I think there must be elements (if not totally) of psychopathy in their personalities.
blimeyhecks | 12.31.07 - 6:42 am | #

Here is a little background on the surviving daughter, Mary, who lives in Northbend, WA.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/lo...tml? source=mypi
Sam3080 | 12.31.07 - 11:30 am | #

Darby, I don't think junkies are ever "harmless".
Raven | Homepage | 12.31.07 - 11:32 am | #

Hi Raven - I know that there really isn't a "harmless" junkie...

I think that what I meant was more along the lines of a "stoner loner", somebody who gets high on their own and is for the most part "harmless" when it comes to law breaking behavior, versus these two, who were paranoid stoners who together, decided it was a good idea to right whatever wrong they thought there was.

Either way, whether the dad was stern or not, or favored Scott or not, of course that was no justification for what Michele did. McEnroe and Michele will more than likely rot in prison, and my thought is that Michele won't care much.

I agree with Sam3080 - things are getting weird lately - seems like the way some people want to deal with things is to shoot it out, instead of doing it the old fashionied way, which was to just move away and not speak to your family.
Darby | 12.31.07 - 1:32 pm | #

Let me be straight: I grew up as a middle child in a big family. I got myself a university edu with no help from my parents.

I loaned the money. I paid back as fast as i could to avoid the extra interest-costs.

By the time I was 23 I was a well-educated grown women.

What else is there to do? Sit in your parents parking lot until the give you something? Kill them if they don't?

OK.. just me.. I say no more. I know mu English is not that good, but it's my forth language.

Guests are coming. Glad to get this off my chest. New year will be here in 4 and a half hour. God bless!
kirsti | 12.31.07 - 10:38 pm | #

Hi Kirsti - you are a success story and it is unfortunate that in this case, Michele could not understand that it seemed like her parents did nothing but help her.

I think that she had some kind of chip on her shoulder and didn't get exactly what she felt was "owed" to her, and her way of dealing with it was to kill her family.

It is something that you or I cannot fathom and I don't even want to begin to delve into her mind to see what on earth she was thinking.

Again, some people I know, when faced with Michele's "problem" with her parents, would have simply moved away and lost contact. It is too bad that she didn't choose that route rather than kill, but, I have a good feeling that her warped mind couldn't find any other way to cope.

Thank God she was stupid enough to try to come back to the scene of the crime and she was apprehended before her and her boyfriend killed other people. What a terrible, terrible situation. There is nothing she can say that can explain this and I hope that they are sentenced to death.
Darby | 12.31.07 - 11:49 pm | #

Not only me. My younger sister did it, too. Her edu iS better than mine. Ok, I no longer want death-penalty for these two... I just want to understand: WHY????
kirsti | 01.01.08 - 12:12 am | #

I know I sound like NANCY GRACE, or my granny, having to ski 350 miles, 350 minus degrees, just to get to school. Wellwell. Sory!
kirsti | 01.01.08 - 12:30 am | #

People are lining up to pull the switch and I'm sure Satan is waiting to welcome them home.

Death is too kind for Scum and Scummier. I don't want their punishment at the hands of humans to be over yet. I would feel cheated.

Savor that their true suffering has begun. Whatever problems they imagined they had before jail and impending prison are nothing as to what they are going through now. Why let them out so soon through death?

Correctional officers are charged by law with keeping them alive, no matter how badly the Corrections Officers would rather see them dead.

My saying from old, "They can dish it out, but they can't take it."

I feel very sorry for the wrongly imprisoned and those kill themselves because of true despair, yet innocent of true malice. Not so in McEnroe's and Anderson's case. They've hung themselves by their own words and deeds.

Let's sentence Scum and Scummier to death but make them wait for years under deplorable prison conditions. Being under the sentence of death will add to their torture and misery and I support torture and misery for these two slime-covered fools.

Ask Jeffery Dahmer. Oh. Forgot someone beat his skull in before he served many years. Never did find Dahmer's killer. Inmates know where the cameras aren't.

Stinking Gaping Mouth and Huge Stank Skin deserve to die horrendous deaths for sure. But a quick and painless death that is no more painful than getting an anesthetic for an operation and going to sleep? The Goth will make Giant Filled Skin a martyr. Let her die at her own hand or languish for years in a small stinking prison cell with no escape, forced to think about what she's brought upon herself.

If we, as a society, decide to put them out of our misery quicker, please let me have a few whacks at them first.
Sam3080 | 01.01.08 - 3:57 am | #

Steve, special request, please. Can you let Gregg know over on Crimerant that I can't blog on his site 75-90% of the time? I don't get accepted although I get accepted here 100% of the time so I know it's not my connections.

It must be their service. I tried to send a personal email to Gregg, but I couldn't get through that either.

Thx in advance.

Take care and be safe,

Sam
Sam3080 | 01.01.08 - 4:05 am | #

I gotta get this off my chest: Nothing justifies this kind of act and both Michele and Joseph need to be accountable for their actions. However, I can only wish that people knew Michele. Just like most of us, Michele went to school and was a normal person. I knew her since I was 7. I explained my thoughts earlier in this thread of comments so there's no need for me to reiterate. I just want people to remember that she wasn't always like this... something happened to her. Be it the paint fumes, drugs, or other influences; something happened and it's unfortunate in every aspect. To me, the Michele I knew also died that night.

There will always be facts and issues that will never be known to the public. Only Michele and her family know the kind of relationship they really had. Again, nothing justifies what happened but there is always more underneath the surface. We can only relate as far as our own experiences, logic, and sense of reality allow us to. In the end, all I choose to remember is the Michele I went to school with and I wish other people had seen that Michele as well.

I went to the candlelight vigil this evening in my home town, Carnation. It was overwhelmingly heartwarming. There were several hundred people there. The air was ice cold but I did not shiver. Next door, we went to have a drink at Pete's. Out the window, I saw Ben Anderson and his mother walk by a couple times. She looked so lost and panicked and he was constantly at her side. What a strange new years eve, I must say.
BD | 01.01.08 - 4:15 am | #

Thanks for your post, BD. So sorry to hear. So surreal and beyond sadness for Ben and his mother. They must both be lost and stunned by it all. My heart breaks for them.

BTW, I know that Ben is a grandson. Is he Mary's child? Just asking, don't mean to offend in any way.

Thank God for healing vigils like you did tonight. Everyone in Carnation and beyond needed it. I wish I could have been there.

It's easy to demonize now from the outside the Michele you knew. I don't know how or why she got there, but she must have been in a state of rage most don't get to.

Sorry for you and those who once cared for her. Everyone who knew her must be in shock....and everyone who knew her must have known her family and is grieving.

The press is probably still hanging out. That property will be haunted for years. My heart breaks as I write this.

Thanks for sharing.

Take care of yourself.

What do you think of the deputies not going in? No law they had to, I guess. How are they doing?

Sam
Sam3080 | 01.01.08 - 4:31 am | #

There are only two possible sentences. Life without the possibility of release, and death. If they get life, they will be allowed to go to school, get jobs, get married, have visitors, and other than being allowed to leave, live a normal life. They can have T.V., music, electronic games in their housing unit. They can eat in a cafeteria that's just like a Golden Corral Buffet.

If they get the death sentence, it's not like they will actually be put to death any time soon. Washington State has only executed 4 people in over 30 years since the DP was reinstated. Only with the DP will they sit on death row in a cell, 23 hours a day. 23 hours a day to sit and think about what they did, for the next 20 years. 20 years from now there probably won't be a death penalty anymore anyway.

Some people think that a life sentence would be more of a punighment, but it wouldn't. Giving them life in prison would be the same as giving them a reward. And if the Supreme Court decides that lethal injection is cruel and unusual, but keeps the DP under old forms of execution, than maybe 25 or 30 years from now, after they've had time to think about what they did, they will be hung by the neck with a rope until dead.
Mike Schuler | 01.01.08 - 4:56 am | #

You r wrong on several counts, Mike. The Golden Corral it is not. They get milk once a day, at breakfast. And for many years until a lawsuit, that milk was sour.

The meals are made of mystery meat, if they get meat at all. The fruit is rotten and the vegetables are too, if they get vegetables or fruit at a meal. Maybe for those who have been homeless it looks good. It is not a buffet. It is slopped on a plate. Take it or leave it....or have it stolen by another inmate when you sit down....if you're allowed to sit down at a table by other inmates.

They get TV if they can afford one. If they can't, they fight in a small dayroom with all colors of antisocials to watch a program. The person with the biggest fist or most associates wins, whether it's BET or football.

A cheap TV for their cell costs them about 300 bucks, something on the outside would be less than 100. No remotes. They live in a 6 x 8 concrete and steel cell with another person or two, someone(s) they would run from on the outside.

Some of these people stink, are violent, are a different race or culture, and some are murderers like themselves doing life without parole. Some cellies like to rape their cellmates every night or beat them or pimp them out. Everytime they leave their cell, their cellmate(s) go through and steal what little they have. They also often break their TVs and use their stuff, what little they can have.

There are no electronic games in the cells.

They are told when to get up and when to go to sleep. The screams and crying at night make sleeping difficult. So do the lights left constantly on outside the uncovered windows....if they are lucky enough to have a window. Otherwise, the light comes in from the hallways. Always.

Officers pat you down at will and always look at you with suspicion. Sometimes the guards taunt and insult you.

Inmates rape or beat you at will. Your medical care is minimal. If you need certain medications, if they are too expensive, too bad. You die. Diagnoses are often wrong or too late in coming. You wait weeks to see a physician's assistant (not a doctor) or a dentist. No teeth cleaning. If you are really sick, you may be told you are faking and get back to your cell before you are infracted and thrown in segregation, The Hole.

You are never safe at any time or anywhere. You can trust no one. Not staff, not other inmates.

Go to a prison, Mike. You obviously haven't been in one in WA state. It's not the pretty place you describe. Better yet, check out a jail. You can get in to look around if you're brave enough to do so.

And any money they have sent in, a large percent of it is taken to pay for victim restitution, fines, and housing (yes, their own prison housing).

There are many more restrictions and rules you cannot fathom and are too numerous to go into here.

I know you want them dead. I'm not saying I don't, they certainly deserve it. What I'm saying is that prison is not the picnic you described. Don't make up fantasies about what you have never seen or experienced.

Call one up. Go visit one. Living in prison is worse than dying.

After you've visited one or two, come back here and tell me what you think. Until you do, don't tell me how much better prison is than dying.

I, too, want them to suffer. Dying quickly is too good for them. That's why I suggest prison until they die and Satan comes to get them.

Don't argue with anything but facts. And before you talk to me about how much it costs to house a prisoner for life, it actually costs more to execute them because of appeals, court costs, etc.

Have an opionion, yes, but say it is your opinion and not portray it as fact.


I don't care if you scream at the top of your lungs that you want them dead. I can understand that, even agree with it. What I can't condone is what you made up to try to convince people to agree with you.

And if you r brave enough to step foot in one, step up to my challenge, please tell me where you went and who you talked to to get in. BTw, you will have to give your SSN and BD so they can run a check on you to prove you have no outstanding warrents before you can take a tour.

Jail and prison are not a reward. They are a punishment. A very severe and cruel punishment. I'm worse than you. You want them dead. I want them to suffer before they die.
Sam3080 | 01.01.08 - 6:19 am | #

Sam! Wow....what a sobering, chillingly written essay on prison life. My son is in school for LE, and I truly hope he never becomes a prison guard. He has gone on field trips to Attica Prison and told me somewhat of what he saw there. The thought of him spending even PART of his life in such a place is too much for me to to bear. Your post sure shook me, and that is not easy to do! Sort of reminds me of that old program "Scared Straight." I agree, death is the easy way out, let those two human waste products languish and suffer for what they have done.
RaVen | Homepage | 01.01.08 - 10:31 am | #

Sam,

Just thought I'd point out that Dahmer's killer is a man named Christopher Scarver.

http://www.nndb.com/people/957/0.../957/000031864/
Luke | 01.01.08 - 12:58 pm | #

My thinking is: The worst fear I have in my life is to go to jail for something I didn't do.

The other worst fear I have is that in jail I will not be protected.

The third fear I have is that a jury will convict me for something I didn't do, just because I have two pimples on my left chin.
kirsti | 01.02.08 - 2:44 am | #

Sam3080, have you been to a Washington State Prison recently? What you describe is how prisons may have been 40 years ago. Today, for the well behaved inmate, they are more like a college campus only with a big fence with razor wire, no beer, and you can't leave.

We have a state prison facility in my town called Airway Heights Correctional Facility. It's right next to the race track, so I've seen the outside of it plenty of times. Our local television news stations have done plenty of stories about it over the years, so I know what the inside of it looks like. The inmates have keys to the doors on their "housing units" (they can't really be called 'cells,' they're more like a dorm room). They do indeed have T.V.'s, Stereos, and video games. I have looked at the plans for new prisons when I wondered what it was that was making them so damn expensive. 10% of a prison's building budget has to be spent on art for the interior.

Most of the prison food is grown by the prison system itself at their farm in Monroe Washington. Inmates are given jobs in the cafeteria, and the food is prepared in a commercial kitchen which looks just exactly the same and has all the same stuff as a commercial kitchen at Golden Corral Buffet. The inmates stand in a line with a tray in their hands, and they pick which items they want to eat as they go through the line, just like you do at the Golden Corral Buffet.

You accuse me of painting a false picture, when it is you yourself that have done that. Check out this page here: Life As An Offender, from the Washington State Department of Corrections.
Mike Schuler | 01.02.08 - 9:20 am | #

They organize holiday celebrations -- Cinco de Mayo and Juneteenth? Why in the world does a prison in Washington State organize a celebration for Juneteenth? This is really stretching political correctness.

Somewhere between Sam's scenario and Mike's there should be some way to incarserate prisoners without the abuse or the camplike setting.

It would seem obvious, but does the level of the prison influence the activities and security?
Compassrose | 01.02.08 - 1:06 pm | #

Great emphasis is placed on the food served in our institutions. A Food Service Program Manager oversees the statewide Food Service Program and a full-time Registered Dietitian certifies a standard menu that is followed by all Washington State institutions. All food products used in the preparation of meals are USDA inspected and are of high quality. Offenders are served three nutritional, appetizing and varied meals each day. Special meals are prepared and served on traditional holidays (i.e., Thanksgiving and Christmas) and for various cultural celebrations throughout the year.

Give us your tired, your poor...your murderers and rapists.......
TIM | 01.02.08 - 2:15 pm | #

Goodness Sam - you portrayed those in prison as if they were in a concentration camp due to no fault of their own and not criminals whose own fault it is that they are even there!

I say that if the milk is rotten - good! If the meat is a mystery, even better! That's what they get for committing a crime!
Darby | 01.02.08 - 5:08 pm | #

I have never been to jail. But from what I read it is like this: If you have to go for something you didn't do, you still will be raped, cause there is nobody there to protect you.

The other day I learned that the US had more people in jail compared to any other nation in the world, including China and Iran. US execute more people than any other nation.(Per capita)

It's not right.

And I still have those two pimples on my left cheek. Luckily I don't have cauliflower-ears.. Not dead meat yet, but close. I'll kill myself before I let any jury judge me. (Not literally, more like poetic)

I know that I had a moment when I wanted these killers (of the Anderson family)dead. No more.

Lv't'yall.

I still havn't foud out how the spell-check works.. pls. fgiv.
kirsti | 01.03.08 - 12:33 am | #

I know that if you are found guilty of a crime that you did not commit, it would suck.

BUT, we as a country, for whatever reason, have decided to focus on those who may or may not be in prison for crimes that they did not commit and I'm not sure why.

I feel that we have more people in jail than any other country because our citizens choose to commit more crimes more than those in other countries. For whatever reason, some of our citizens choose to rape and kill, or murder entire families, rather than deal with their lives in a productive way.

In this case, Michele did commit this crime. When I said that I wanted them to get the death penalty, I was actually saying what Mike Schuler said...that being sentenced to death certainly doesn't mean that they will die anytime soon.

It just means that their prison stay will be lengthy AND miserable, on death row, rather than in a general population environment.
Darby | 01.03.08 - 10:38 am | #

http:// seattletimes.nwsource.com...sixdead28m.html
non | 01.03.08 - 1:23 pm | #

http:// seattletimes.nwsource.com...sixdead28m.html
non | 01.03.08 - 1:57 pm | #

I didn't mean to dupe that. Sorry Steve.
I'm posting from my phone & when I clicked "Back;" the comment reposted.
non | 01.03.08 - 1:59 pm | #

I made a mistake: There is more people on deathrow in US than in Iran, China or anywhere else, not more people executed.

But still US has more people in jail, than any other country in the world, not counting people on death-row.

All per capita.

I'm going to check in to where I got this numbers from, but I think it was something called "human rights research."
kirsti | 01.05.08 - 3:25 am | #

I guess I am not sure why the concern over how many people, per capita, are in jail in the US??

I am not so sure that it has much to do with "human rights" and I would bet the farm that the majority of those in prison truly deserve to be there.

Like Michele and her boyfriend.

Like Edwin Hall who abducted Kelsey Smith as she walked out of Target and then raped and killed her. Like Matt Gretz who had an argument with his wife that escalated to the point that he killed her so much that she could have died three different ways. Like the "person of interest" who appears to have abducted and killed Meredith, a young hiker from Georgia, just this past week.

I say that if there are more people in jail, per capita, here in the US, it is because some of our citizens are disgraceful criminals.
Darby | 01.05.08 - 8:19 pm | #

Comparing US per capita prison populations with that of other countries is looking at apples to judge an orange. The US has much greater wealth, abundance, opportunity, and freedom than any other country on Earth. Almost everybody in the world wants to be like the US or come to the US.

To reduce the prison population in the US, you would have to do things that would tend to prevent people from commiting crimes, and that would lead to the further restriction of freedom.

In most European counties, the cops can walk up to anybody in public and beat the living crap out of them, and it's considered perfectly okay. You can be arrested and held for years in jail on little evidence and not see a judge, or if you do see a judge, they don't have the same high standards that authorities have to meet in order to take a person's freedom away in the US.

In the US, as long as I don't commit any crimes, I don't have to worry about how high the prison population is. And I don't have to live without any rights and freedoms that only exist fully in the United States of America.
Mike Schuler | 01.06.08 - 12:14 am | #

Mike Shuler:
first of all I'll say USA have more people on death row than any other country because USA keep the convicted longer there. Executions in other countries, like China is quite swift.

Your second paragraph I don't really get. But I do think I understand what you mean: Only a police-state can catch all the law-breakers. I remind you that I was talking people already in jail.

Third paragraph: What European countries are you talking about?

Last paragraph: Have you ever hear about the Innocent project?
kirsti | 01.06.08 - 10:01 pm | #

Darby! I agree with you that Michele and her boyfriend should get death, if any. Duncan too. My worry is that there is innocent persons on death row. That's why I think we shouldn't' execute anybody at all. I other words: Abolish the death-penalty, as recently done in N.J.
kirsti | 01.07.08 - 8:54 pm | #

I remember one case from UK. The husband was hanged for killing his wife. Main witness against him was his next door neighbor, a tiny accountant. Long after the accused was hanged, it became clear that that the main witness (the neighbor) had done it. They dug up his yard, and it was full of bones. The accountant was a serial-killer.
kirsti | 01.08.08 - 9:57 pm | #

Well, they pleaded not guilty in court the other day. I don't know what their defense is going to be. Obviously they did it.

Hopefully not the bi-polar-defense, cause I know bi-polars and they are not known to kill.

Except from that I'll say that this holiday season has been terrible.

You have the mother in DC who killed her four daughters.

Dad throwing 4 babies over a bridge, a marine killing a 8 month pregnant woman, and a father in Irving, Texas, killing his two teenage daughters.

Now there is a story about a father killing his wife and 4 children, stabbing his wife and then putting the house on fire. All except him died.

I have no words..
kirsti | 01.13.08 - 11:43 pm | #

I understand what you mean. It isn't just that these people kill their loved ones but level of cruelty they use on their family especailly the helpless and innocent children.

I don't even know why we have a guilty plea anymore. NO ONE in the USA pleads guilty even when caught in the act or if they confess.

We reap what we sow.
Compassrose | 01.14.08 - 8:20 am | #

Might be if you plead "not guilty" you get in to a position of plea bargaining later. This way the killer can avoid death.

I'm a little bit fed up with the insanity-defense. There is so many people with mental deceases, who never harm a fly. Killers give them a bad rep.

I'm surprised, though, how much killers care about their own lives. Greenriver-killer would do anything to avoid death. He killed about 40 women.

Another serial-killer, Yates, from Spokane, I think, who got death, complained that he shouldn't have to die since Gary Ridgeway (green-river killer) didn't have to. He did not succeed, as far as I know.

How come people, who so easily takes others lives, is so protective of their own life?
kirsti | 01.14.08 - 7:59 pm | #

kirsti that's just basic survival instinct that each of us has if we aren't totally depressed and/or in despair. Our deepest brain layers, the reptillian and the limbic over it, "know" that Being is better than Non-being. Only with the cortical over layers do we get what we call altruism and other behavior controls. All 3 levels interact in ways that we can both (1) depend on and (2) not be sure about--that's what makes us individuals. And all 3 levels ae subject to malformations, damages, disease, etc.
Robert M. | 01.14.08 - 8:22 pm | #

Being is better than non-being. Goes for everbody. Everybody wants to live!
Nobody wants to be killed.

Killing is not a disease. Killing is evil!

You MEAN killing is a disease?
kirsti | 01.14.08 - 9:19 pm | #

Living in pa, 25 years ago, naturally I read a book about the killing of a family in the area. Merion High-school. I think the writer of the book was a man call Waughbaum or something like that. The principal of the school had so-called reptile-eyes. His name was Smith. Does the unfortunate reptile like eyes make you a killer?

He was convicted, but released later. Because there was no real evidence against him.

Just the reptile eyes.
kirsti | 01.14.08 - 9:49 pm | #

PI today. Funerals, Deaths an in Memoriam: About the parents: (they) "had three children whom they loved." (They) "are survived by daughter Mary Victoria Anderson." The other surviving daughter, aunt, sister and sister in law, Michele, was not mentioned at all.

In 2-3 weeks DA will decide whether to go for death or not.
kirsti | 01.18.08 - 11:40 pm | #

Funeral was last Saturday. For all six. Michele was not mentioned. 600 people attended.

Amongst them another little grand-child who wanted to go to Carnation on Christmas Eve, to see his cousins, grandma amd grandpa. He was staying with his dad in Burien instead. Mary Anderson's youngest child, this is. Luckily he is still alive and well.

If he had gone to Carnation that night, he would probably have been dead too.
kirsti | 01.25.08 - 1:41 am | #

As you probably already know: May 2 is the date King County Prosecutor Dan Satterberg is going to decide on the death penalty issue. Tracy Jonhson writes in Seattle PI that this will give "defense attorneys more time to offer information about the suspects, a process that typically includes detailing: troubled childhoods, mental health issues, detailing troubled childhoods, mental health issuse or other mitigatig evidence."

I don't think the children has any part of any injustice to Michele an Joe.
kirsti | 01.26.08 - 8:53 pm | #