Here is a photo of the bunker. (Inside and outside)
http://forums.facepunchstudios.c...ad.php?
t=480999
Thanks Lori. There is also a picture of the victims over at your link. Has anyone seen a picture of the POS that did this?
http://tinyurl.com/3atn8a
Pictures of the suspects at this new story site.
Says both suspects father's are in LE.
Wow. Collin Lee's apparent racism makes you wonder about the dad. That's a little scary.
" Collin Lee's apparent racism makes you wonder about the dad. That's a little scary"
I'm not sure that is fair. Unless there is evidence that the father is racist, you have to know that teens/young adults make their own minds up about things. Just because he's a racist, doesn't mean he was raised that way.
You're probably right. My father, as much as I love him, wouldn't have discouraged racism in his children, and I'm no racist. So it didn't pass on to me, or to my sisters, I think.
Okay, let me say right up front that my husband and I have only one child and she is 8 y.o. I admit that I have a lot to learn when it comes to the teenage years. However, I have to ask, is it normal for teenagers to be out until the wee hours of the morning? The article says that the suspects were shot sometime around 4:00a.m. When I was this age, I had a curfew of midnight. Are curfews no longer the norm? I have to think that if these two had been home at what I consider a decent hour, they may still be alive. I am in no way blaming the parents for a lack of judgment etc.... I just can't imagine my daughter being 16y.o.and staying out with her friends / boyfriend until 4:00 a.m.
Lori, you are spot on. I would also forbid my daughter or son to be out at that hour when they were that young. In defense of the parents, however, the teens could have lied to them about where they were. Happens all the time. It doesn't necessarily make teens who stretch the truth to their parents bad teens. My daughter is really pretty much a saint. I still follow her sometimes to make sure she is going where she says, and I go thru her purse now and then to make sure there is no contraband. I spy on her in cyberspace. I don't do any of these things because I don't "trust" her, I do them because I don't "trust" the rest of the world. I need to see what is coming at her, and guide her as to how to handle it. Thus far, I have always been pleased with the way she handles it herself. I also go thru her closet and her room on occasion. Once, I found a half-empty vodka bottle in her closet. She was 16 years old and a friend had spent the night the previous weekend. I didn't say anything to her at all - I simply took it downstairs and put it in the cabinet. A few days latter, I could tell when she was acting funny around me, that she had figured out what I had done. I then took that opportunity to give her the lecture about responsible drinking....yet again. The weekend they had the vodka bottle, they slept in a bit late, but were out cheerleading latter in the day; so they weren't totally wasted. I have stressed to her, that I don't expect her to go to parties and not have a drink (when she is older and it is legal). But I sure as heck expect her to NEVER, NEVER, EVER drink and drive - or get in the car with someone who has been. It isn't easy, but I keep trying. I really wonder how involved Collin Lee's parents were with him. If my child's MySpace bragged about hatred and killing like his did, I would have my son signed up for counseling, and either the millitary, or one of those places you can find in the back of Southern Living magazine. I actually threaten the Southern Living punishment all the time with my kids. 
Reannan~
Thanks for the response. I am totally aware that the teen years are unchartered territory for me. I am glad to hear that my thoughts are not totally outdated. My daughter already has an e-mail. (Mostly for her grandparents to send her 'hellos') and I will not let her open her e-mail w/out me being in the room and looking over her shoulder while she opens it. I'd rather be safe than sorry....
Lori, great job as a parent thus far! After you and she gain some trust, with the email, I suggest sneaking down and reading it yourself. I also highly recommend the simple act of "searching for files that have been altered or deleted" within the last few days. Amazing what you can find. As I said before, it isn't HER that I am spying on - I need to know what the world is saying to her, and how she is handling it!!! It would be much easier to arm her with full automatic weapons, tazers, and shoulder-fired missels, but those things are illegal! :>
Well I did my best and could find nothing new other than a 2006 Collin Mcglaughlin in West Covina with a different zodiac sign. Nothing to see, other than the myspace addy of shamrockconnections1. Fits with his myspace group of irish teens in cali.
When did the Irish become Native Americans anyway? I'm seeing lots of delusional thinking from Collin's writings. Hell, the guy was born in Los Angeles county and has never been south of the Mason Dixon line and he's pro confederate?
I was wondering the same thing about both teens being out so late. My almost 19 year old lives with me still and if she hung out till 4am, she would be finding her own place to live. When she was 16, latest she stayed out was 11 and that was with my knowing where and how to reach her.
The banshees come out to roam after midnight.
I remember my Mom telling me "nothing good happens after midnight" and "nothing good happens under the covers with a boyfriend". Amazing how smart she was.
Unfortunately not all parents are as alert and/or concerned as they need to be about raising their children. When my husband was as young as 13 he would go home from school on Friday with his friend and spend the weekend at the friends house. He would return home sometime on Sunday and he usually wasn't even missed. His parents had a hands off approach to raising kids and as the youngest he was completely out of any radar. It was purely a miracle he hooked up with friends with families who were a good influence and who gave him solid role models.
Maybe I missed it somewhere, but this is the first time I've seen the
pics from CLM's myspace site. Scroll down for the 2 pics:
http://tinyurl.com/2nygbu
I like the comments that follow on that thread. One questions what the meds are in the big bottle in one of his pics. Another member says that it's probably his "get out of jail free card". Heh. I think not....
Any idea what kind of guns those are? I wonder if they belong to his father, Wayne?
It is really hard to tell what kind of weapons he is holding in those pictures. The handgun looks to be at least a 45 caliber to me. Perhaps it is an Ruger P345 because of the silver and black combination?? Here is a link:
http://www.gunweek.com/2004/
feat...eature0710.html
The shotgun is a pistol grip with a top folding stock and a heat shield. That is about all I can tell about it, however. Here is a link to one that is similar with some of the same features:
http://tinyurl.com/ypbsa8
I believe I read that the two victims had snuck out of the house and the parents were unaware that they left until they found that they were missing in the morning.
The handgun looks to be at least a 45 caliber to me.
It's a 1911 pattern, Reannan; beyond that I can't say. The profile of the muzzle is unmistakeable, as is the breech face shape. It's good to see that if he is going to violate Rule Three that the pistol is indeed unloaded.
The shotgun is a pistol grip with a top folding stock and a heat shield.
It looks like a Mossberg 500.
Al
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Al ias Always In Flyover Country
Lets make this clear, most of the facts that you have said are incorrect. I know this because I know of this situation personally. The boy who was killed was 18, so he was able to do what he wanted. Was ut right that he was out at the time? No? But he was an adult. The parents are very active in his life. This was purely being in the wrong place at the wrong time. The girl was suppose to be at a brothers house, but instead snuck out with a friend(Not the boyfriend) to go to the party, because the mom would not allow him to go down an pick her up. Both parents are good people, but being a teenager you tend to not think things out. It is okay for us to point the finger, but when it happens to you or your family, you change your tune. Also when we were kids/teens things were different in society. If anyone is to blame it is the killers, because they chose to do this. Their parents may have done their best, maybe they are racist too, but if you know the difference between right and wrong, there is no one to blame but the person who chose to commit the crime. Don't point the finger unless you know everything, because if we scrutinized your life(s), than I bet there would be plenty of things to say "hey your not a good parent."
Mike,
No one was pointing the finger at the parents for causing the deaths of the victims. My condolences for the loss of both teenagers.
My earlier post about some parents not paying attention to their children was a general comment not a statement directed at the parents of these two children. The loss of a child must be horrible enough without anyone second guessing why their children were out late or overnight. The only people responsible for these deaths are the two who pulled the trigger. My thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the victims.
Mike, you have my deepest condolences. I have seen the ripple effect a crime like this has one has on multiple layers of people who knew the victims and the perpetrators. I also wish to affirm that we are not pointing the finger at any set of parents involved in this case. We can't - we don't know the people involved. This is, however, a crime blog and we therefore, discuss crimes. You cannot discuss a crime involving teenagers without discussing the parents. I study true crime because it fascinates me from a human psychology point of view, but also because I wish to learn how not to be a victim. When my oldest daughter, who is now a teenager, was only 5 years old, we had a local case where a 15 year old snuck out of her home to go to a party that she had been forbidden to go to. She had too much to drink, and accepted a ride from three boys who were only a year or two older. She knew them because they went to school with her. They ended up strangling her to the point of being unconscious in the car. They then placed her along the side of a rural road with a homemade pipe bomb in her mouth. The detonation of this pipe bomb is what ultimately killed her. I kept the newspaper articles to discuss with my 5 year old when she became a teenager. There is danger out in the world, and having to lie to your parents is generally a good sign that the activity you are involved with is probably a bad, and unsafe choice.
From reading the macdaddy66677 xanga page, what was described did actually happen to this Collin, so it is him. By the way, his parents did have him in therapy and he was on meds. some people make choices that no one else can take credit or blame for
what the fuck were a 18 year old and a 16 year old doing at 4:00 in the morning
and why the fuck did a kid have guns on a camping trip and why the fuck did the other two not turn around when the dumb ass kid pulled some guns out .... .... the parents are to blame for this one .... think about it.........im not trying to be a dick but im just saing what every person wants to
sincerely yours
......anonymous
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