I hope it's something substantial.
This is a good week for crime solving though. Gary Michael Hilton peads guilty and Michael Devlin has been moved to a new prison where he will remain in solitary confinement for the rest of his life.
I hope it's substantial too. At one point I was writing long, detailed entries about the Holloway case, but by August, 2005 (this was in another blog entirely) I could sense how things were going to fade in this case. But I'm jaded at this point -- hence this short blurb, as opposed to my going into detail.
Can't wait to listen to his public statement made by Peter. I think once these guys are convicted, her soul will rest in peace. A tribute page for her has been created for her at http://www.respectance.com/
Natal...NataleeHolloway
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k...h?
v=kBSR8g75aw4
All I have to say is those 3 boys had "adult" help in disposing of poor Natalee's body. A night of fun ended with a dead girl. I believe Joran's dad helped with her disposal. Meanwhile her mother and father relives the nightmare day after day. If only they could bring her home for a proper burial.
What the hell did he throw in the reporter's face? Judging by his reaction, it wasn't water. (Vodka? Schnaaps?)
Looked it up. It was white wine. Oww.
And he waited until de Vries wasn't paying attention, not in the heat of the moment. What a sociopathic little prick.
There's a version on YouTube with English subtitles so you can understand the interview that took place leading to this incident. (I can't locate it right now but will try later.) The interviewer Peter didn't take it easy on Joran during his questioning and Joran took offense to it, which is why he threw the wine.
I'm at beginner level Dutch over here (NL) but read enough of the Dutch YouTube comments to know they aren't happy with Joran's wine throwing either. Someone said if he couldn't hold his temper during an interview how well could he handle his impulses with Natalee? Good point, I thought.
I think seeing is believing on this "revelation". Smacks more of a publicity stunt than real news to me. I find it hard to believe that with all the investigators on the case over the past couple of years that P. de Vries waltzed into Aruba and suddenly solved the case. But it's possible someone had their guard down and revealed something.
Nancy said, "What a sociopathic little prick."
My thoughts exactly, when I saw that.
Yesterday evening, in Peter de Vries' website, for a moment, there was a statement claiming that de Vries' had caught van der Sloot on camera admiting that he did it.
A few minutes later, the statement was removed.
I live in The Netherlands, so, this Sunday, I'll be watching the show and will try and post real time here on what is being said.
Promo video for the show with English subtitles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z...h?
v=ZyVXCg3dTQc
Edna, that'd be great. Thank you.
Sorry if it seems I am spamming with several comments in a row (Steve, please delete anything you don't consider relevant), but I am just starting to read all of the related info in the Dutch press and I thought I could share some of the details I come across.
On de Vries' website there are now some links with video related to the show that will air this Sunday.
Fragments of the interview with the mother:
http://www.peterrdevries.com/quo.../quote-
beth.htm
She came to The Netherlands yesterday and, apparently, she was shown the evidence and the hidden camera material and the fragment above is part of her reaction.
Also, on the main page, more info and video fragments with the Aruban Police reaction to the alleged new evidence:
http://www.peterrdevries.com/
The EyesforLies site has a lot of good stuff on this. Thanks for posting all your info Edna! By what I see at EyesforLies comments, the brothers are innocent, only Joran is guilty. Very interesting. I hope that her parents can have some peace finally.
http://eyesforlies.blogspot.com/
I've put a little update at the bottom of the entry. Please check it before you comment, everyone.
Wow, thanks for the update Steve. It feels like some sort of a miracle that this case may actually be solved. Amazing. Peter devries did a great job and so did the Arubian who befriended Joran.
Do you all think that maybe this current info was presented in some form when they recently arrested and then released the suspects? I remember there was something about a confession on their phones that were tapped.
Chris, I'm so jaded where this case is concerned. If it is solved, that's incredible... but I'll believe it when I see it. I still think Aruban authorities butchered it hopelessly, and the Dutch got involved too late to really fix any problems.
Steve,
I'm with you on the botched investigation. Until we see the facts, we don't know anything for sure. I am wondering why they haven't arrested Joran until now...if they knew all of this stuff for multiple days...
Let's hope de Vries got it right, and it is enough.
On Greta last night it sounds like someone (peer aged) befriended Joran over a long period of time and got some sort of details on what happened to Natalee on tape.
I'm personally sitting back and taking these news with a huge dose of skepticism, alleged arrest claim included, in light of past experience.
I find it a little suspect that we have to wait until Sunday to hear the *shocking* revelations.
It is sad to observe how the disappearance of this young woman has devolved into a money/ratings game.
That said, I also think JVDS is a sociopathic little prick. Even if the tape provides some sort of closure, I still think he's going to get away with murder, quite literally.
John List thought he got away with it all too, didn't he? And more recently, OJ and Dennis Potts time to face the consequenses has arrived. As Alfred Hitchcock used to say "Murder will out."
It ain't over til it's over, and it doesn't look like it's really over YET.
Arrested again? Well, maybe that does give some credence to Sunday's upcoming "shocking" revelations. I like the rest of you will only believe it when I see it.
Has any other news outlet (other than MSNBC) reported the re-arrest? As a matter of fact, they don't even have it in print on the MSNBC site (unless I've missed it).
That's why I'm skeptical and I await confirmation from multiple sources before I believe an MSNBC on-air report.
RaVen, I once thought like you, but in this case, although 'murder may out' it may not be enough to prosecute the guilty parties, especially with the ridiculously short statutes of limitations in Aruban/Dutch law.
I really hope they can make the charges STICK this time (if they have re-arrested him). Something about that guy has never sat well with me and I can only imagine the anguish Natalie's parents must go through everytime they take him in only to release him.
Everyone -- this is a very small pet peeve, but let me get it out of the way: While the most typical spelling of this missing young woman's first name would indeed be "Natalie," Ms. Holloway's truly was spelled "Natalee." It's a very small detail, but can be important if you are seeking decent information about the case online. And I'm kind of a freak for proper spelling, so I wouldn't screw something like that up too often 
Thanks Steve for reminding us of the correct way to spell Natalee's name. I do love though when talking heads pronounce Joran as urine, it cracks me up every time. Rod Wheeler just did it on Fox News and it is just so apropo 
As far as I can tell, Natalee's mom may have said that Joran was being arrested, but he hasn't, maybe she just meant that the investigation was officially open again. Besides that, the latest
http://tinyurl.com/2ugxm5
Aruba reopens Natalee Holloway case
Published: Friday 01 February 2008 21:54 UTC
Last updated: Friday 01 February 2008 22:05 UTC
Oranjestad - Prosecuting authorities in Aruba have reopened the case of Natalee Holloway and are again investigating the role played by Dutch citizen Joran van der Sloot. Ms Holloway, a US citizen, disappeared in May 2005 during a holiday on Aruba, an autonomous part of the Netherlands.
The latest move follows the news that Dutch television crime reporter, Peter R de Vries, has been filming with a hidden camera on the Caribbean island. Footage is said to include a confession by Mr van der Sloot. However, Mr de Vries says he will only disclose his evidence during a television programme to be shown in the Netherlands on Sunday.
There has been intense speculation in the Dutch media about the recording. The Dutch public service news says the footage reveals that Mr van der Sloot did not kill Ms Holloway, but was involved in the disappearance of her body.
It is said that Ms Holloway became unwell while having sex with him on a beach. He subsequently phoned a friend and together they used a boat to dump the young woman's body in the sea.
Thanks, chris. Beth ain't the best source of news in this case, sometimes -- though I think it's understandable, considering the fact that there's no way she'd ever be able to look at it objectively. I wouldn't be able to, if I was her.
Joran says he was lying...again!
THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) - Dutch student Joran van der Sloot said in a television interview Friday that he had told a friend privately he was involved in Natalee Holloway's disappearance, but that he was lying.
Van der Sloot's comments on Dutch television show «Pauw & Witteman» came after reports that a crime reporter had captured him in an apparent confession. He was reported to have been caught by a hidden cameras saying Holloway had died after having sex with him, and that he then dumped her body at sea with the help of a friend.
http://www.pr-inside.com/dutch-s...-in-
r417958.htm
It will be interesting to see if Liar Joran named his boating pal. I vaguely remember some scuttle about a friend with a boat. Not the big party boat but another.
thefirstdiane | 02.01.08 - 7:15 pm | #
I would hope that this response was anticipated, and thus in this investigation, made completely uncredible.
The Sr. Producer of the Nancy Grace shows says her sources tell her, that the Aruba prosecutor has filed to have Joran re-arrested.
Geraldo just said on O'Reilly that the camera was worn by a guy who met Joran at a casino (the friend?). The short story is: He was having sex with her and she had a coke od or heart attack or and he took the body in to the water to dispose of it.
Consider the source though.
If his lying story is true, it sure blows the hell out of the ctv psychic show. That psychic did a flip out on the beach as if Natalee was experiencing a horrible gang bang or beating.
She cut it short because the feelings were so intense, yeah right.
"Consider the source though."
Seriously. That story is pretty plausible, on its face, but again... the source. I have always believed that her death was probably an accident, but the cover-up was anything but.
I have a feeling Joran drugged her with GHB and she died as a result of that and a high level of alcohol- so i'm not sure if that qualifies as an accident. In an interview Joran said he was buying Natalee shots of Bacardi 151 rum. 151 is high proof and makes even the most hardcore of drinkers wince; obviously the older, more experienced Joran knew what he was doing by giving her that. My impression of Joran is that he's a spoiled, arrogant, scumbag either way.
I too have always thought that it was a date rape drug, mixed with whatever she did on her own gone bad.
In any case, I believe he is responsible for her death, and absolutely guilty of the cover up. Why cover up if you didnt do anything?
The thing that still kills me is the FIRST lie.
In a previous comment I mentioned that, for a brief moment, a couple of days ago, I had seen some info that had been removed from Peter de Vries' website. It seems a Dutch on line magazine managed to save it and has posted a screen capture in their website.
http://content.vkmag.com/gallery...idit/
index.html
I just don't know how any of the accused can live with themselves, if they did dispose of her body. How do they cope with the guilt? Perhaps they don't feel any.
Below is a link of Joran stating it was all a lie ( english subtitles).
Joran says he just met the guy he claims helped him dispose of the body, so that is proof he was lying.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i...h?v=ik5an-
r3LmI
I've added another update today, 2/02/08. It's just a link to CNN -- they clarify the 'Joran being arrested' thing. His arrest has been requested.
His Lawyers and parents are mad that Joran called radio show
http://ap.google.com/article/
ALe...oCO6FwD8UHVESG0
Appears the freind who helped was not named, and that de Vries was not impressed by Joran recent explanation.
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/c...olloway-
devries
Here’s the transcript and translation of yesterdays telephone-call of P&W-Joran. (You can see a clip of that here at “FILMPJE ROFL”: http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/
archi...1.html#comments )
Pauw: Good evening Joran.
Joran: Good evening.
Pauw: How are you doing?
Joran: I’m allright, okay.
Pauw: Well, actually you are the targetpoint of all kinds of remarks… ?
Joran: Yes, that’s a petty.
Witteman: How did it come about with this so called confession?
Joran: Y-Y-Yes, n-n-no, it-it-it is indeed true… I have told someone something that I shouldn’t have told… in a story… Someone I knew some time…
Witteman: How long did you know him?
Joran: Some six months or so.
Pauw: What did you say?
Joran: Yes.., yes… Everybody will see it Sunday… (litlle laugh) But it is really not…. It’s easilly provable that what I told is not the truth. Actually.., actually there’s a lot of fuzz about nothing… And actually that’s very petty because… that they flew in this mother… and all they told her… But we’ll see…
cont'd
Pauw: But is it not a good idea to tell us what you all have said and explain to us why it isn’t all true what you’ve said?
Joran: Yes.., I don’t know. I have discussed it with my parents and lawyers. And they told me how it all is… And they said I’ld better not say anything.
Witteman: The “Journaal” tonight reported that it all was about the report that you, after you had had sex/kissed with her she suddenly, well not suddenly, but in any case, passed out, became lifeless… And you called a friend, who came with a boat… And that the two of you got on that boat with her… And slipped her into the water…?
Joran: Well… (nervous little laughs) That is indeed what I have told.
Witteman: But is that not very dumb of you to tell that?
Joran: Yes… That, that is indeed very dumb but what, what I try to say is… I had uhhh, over the course of six months build a relationship with someone…. And yes… That person he was very uh… Yes… Very difficult to explain but… Yes… Sturdy… And this is actually what he WANTED to hear so I actually just told him what he WANTED to hear.
Cont'd
Pauw: How do you know he wanted to hear that?
Joran: Well actually I had my suspisions at that time…. Because… Yes… He talked to friends… or other friends and girlfriends of mine; you name it… I didn’t have a supergood feeling about it and yes…
Pauw: But Joran…
Joran: … and finally…
Pauw: …It then is indeed very dumb that especially at this moment to say that, if it’s not true???!!!
Joran: It is indeed dumb… IT IS SO DUMB (whining). It is really dumb. … (OMG!!!)
… … … … … … … … Silence … … … … … …
Witteman: Do you think you will be arrested?
Joran: Noooohhhh… I don’t think so… …………………………….. I don’t think so. Maybe that if they have the chance (can’t really hear it that good)… Because they have arrested me in the past for even less…. But.. yes… I just was tricked into this…. (???)
Pauw: Did you talk to that friend… Who uuhh took/recorded this story from you?
Joran: I just had a conversation of about 20 minutes with him… Just before I spoke to you.
Witteman: And then you cursed him?!???
Joran: No, no… I actually are normal with him (nervous laughs).
Witteman: But he betrayed you, didn’t he?
Joran: Yes uh.., yes… yes… He doesn’t want to say anything… He says about that… what comes… what comes… he’ll tell that sunday.
Pauw: But he has apparently, at least that is a story we’ve heard, gotten money from Peter R. de Vries to get a confession.., to record a confession of you.?
Joran: Yes, I don’t know… As far as I know he allready has plenty of money of himself… But… We… we’ll see…
Pauw: What kind of a guy is this.., who recorded this confession of you…?
Joran: Yes, look… I don’t know either what they will broadcast coming sunday… But it’s a somewhat older man whom I met and whom I spent rather much time with. …………….. Just because I found him a very fascinating person. He uh, yes… I was very much interested in him. And then I just told him… uhh (nervous laugh) what he wanted to hear…..
Pauw: But how then did you know/find out that he wasn’t righteous.., as you say: I told him JUST WHAT HE WANTED TO HEAR?
Joran: Yes, no… That… Well he did a lot of things that were actually not uuhh… that actually couldn’t be so… That, that, that were themselves…. That I myself would never do… Some of those things he actually did….
Cont'd
Pauw: Example?!
Joran: Well I don’t want to give an example of that. I don’t want to smear someone else. But apparently he recorded me now… Or whatever…
Witteman: Yes.., with a hidden camera and a hidden microphone…. You never noticed that probably?
Joran: Wwwwellll… Nowadays these things are probably so tiny that they/you (can’t hear). But I was just incredibly stupid of me. Really, really, really not normaly… so dumb. And I just hope that uhh it will stay a little quieter because there is a LOT of fuzz now… And that’s not good….(I think he feels he’s going down!!!!!!!!!!!)
Pauw: Did you get into contact with the guy with whom you would have transported Natalees body?
Joran: Yes, no…. No that was just a guy whom I just met at Aruba… (Paulus maybe?) Just recently when I was there.
Pauw: You mean you spoke to him then?
Joran: …. Then I had just acquanted to/with him. (Sigh…)
Pauw: Mmmyeauh… And did he… Does the police has contacted this guy by now for example?
Joran: Yes… I don’t know that all… I have… when I told this all to you… told my parents and my lawyer… But I don’t know what all is going on there… What the OM (Publ.Pros.) thinks… I think they will just try to find this out… and it then will turn out to not be like this? (Don’t get this… Does he contradicts himself/lies here again? Was it Paulus maybe?)
Witteman: And has… You have had contact with your father… Does your father has contact with the police overthere?
Joran: Yes… I don’t know. As far as I know he had a conversation… with uuhh…
Witteman: Mr. Mos…?
Joran: … the head-officer (of the OM, = Mos)… But he just told it was about safety…
Witteman: So it wasn’t about a coming investigation?
Joran: No, no…
Pauw: Because this mr. Mos has said this was the missing piece in the investigation… Namely: your confession!
Joran: Uh, uh, yes!?! It is very, very sad but what I said wasn’t right. And it is verifiable… if it is right or not.
Witteman: So you didn’t get on the water with a boat and Natalee Holloway to after that, let her slip into the water?
Joran: Nooh… off course not… (deep sigh)
Witteman: That has absolutely not happened?
Joran: Nhoh… (sighs deep while saying that)
Pauw: And how is it verifiable that that isn’t right, you think?
Joran: Well… I don’t know. That has to… If… With that person you don’t think that he will say that they (he) did something like that with me. That’s not possible…? (So he’s predicting that this person [???] will deny he was with him??? Hhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm??? He’s not only a psychopath but a psychic as well!!!) …. Hmm… Uhhh… Nhoooowww… It just was very stupid…
Witteman: Do you blame PRdeVries for something he did?
Joran: No… hu, hu.. He’s just doing his job doesn’t he? I think it will make very good television this sunday… But it’s just a petty that a lot of emotions play a role with a lot of people… And yes, these will be hurt… and it will not be a good show… And, but… …………… Uh, yes… It’s just like that.
Pauw: Joran… All the people that think now… This Joran van der Sloot… from the start has lied…. and that was at this table brought up by Peter R. de Vries as well.. And now he apparently has lied again to someone else…. Why should anyone still believe Joran van der Sloot?
Joran: Yes, hu, hu… uhhh… I question that myself as well sometimes… There is no reason what soever to believe me nhoo……… (sound of him taking a deeeeep breath) …….
Witteman: Are you going to watch coming sunday?
Joran: I, I, I… think I will watch the show sundayevening… I don’t know if I will see it where I am now but… I do think I will watch it sundaynight…
Witteman: Would you then considder to react to it, the day after that in our show?
Joran: Uhm, yes… I don’t know. I feel for myself actually… that I don’t want to react. I just say it now because it’s here now (?), and I can at this point rationalize it… (Guess he’s SCARED for what this show will bring!!!!) … But… We’ll see…
Witteman: Well, we’ll call you monday then…
Joran: … We’ll call each-other monday….
Witteman: And we thank you a lot for speaking to us!
Joran: Yes, no… It’s OK….
Witteman: And we thank your grandma too…. (etc.) Thanks Joran…
I got that from commenter at scared monkeys, sorry to take so much space her. Steve you could delete and just post the url and people could search in the comments for this transcript.
I do think that this is pretty amazing stuff.
http://tinyurl.com/354wla
No, Chris, this is fine. I'm leaving it.
this site says they are not arresting him now, but will wait til the show airs on Sunday to make a decision.
partial translation:
No adjournment command of of the ditch
Spent: 2 February 2008 19:44
Last modified: 2 February 2008 19:47
ORANJESTAD - justice on Aruba has ordered no command to adjournment of Joran of of the ditch. That has said the Public Prosecution Service (Public Prosecution Service) Saturday.
Public Prosecution Service waits with a possible response to after the retransmission of the programme of crime report donor Peter R. freeze of Sunday.
http://nu.nl/news/1419178/13/%27...r_Sloot%
27.html
Basically this says that De Vries has not shown the whole show, all the findings to authorities yet... so maybe why the authorities are holding off on arresting Joran
http://www.novatv.nl/
with google translate
Vries' for Aruba knows not all '
The Public Attorney's Office (OM) do not yet know everything about the findings of the investigation into the verdwijningszaak around Natalee Holloway Peter R. De Vries. "I have no reporting to the PPS," said De Vries tonight at Nova. The need for the broadcast of De Vries tomorrow wait for final conclusions to be drawn
"I am very open, but everything was simply not yet possible." De Vries says until very recently to his reportage on the case-Holloway to have worked. He recognized the man to whom Joran van der Sloot his confession has made 25,000 euros to have paid as a 'urges expenses. "
There have been so many let downs that I am afraid to get my hopes up. When I heard this news I just thought....not another false hope for Beth and Natalee's dad. If there is nothing on that tape that can be used in court and no real confession then I wish people would just let this case go. Things like this keep the family on an emotional rollercoaster and they have been on one long enough.
I don't think that the truth will ever come out. Joran isn't going to confess..I agree he is a sociopath...and I think that he is the only one who really knows what happened.
I've added an update today, 2/03/08, to the blog post above. It's probably familiar info to most who might post here.
keep an eye on fokkinel.com they promise to put the confession online tonite!
Joran has a My Space account. pretty brazen. Say's he's "movin' on with his life"....he started it in 6/2006.
Well, for sure, this boy is not regretin' any thin'!
http://tinyurl.com/3ds2p4
Even if all appears to be true. The mx sentence he will get is 1 year tops. There is no murder without a body...
Genie, I assume that is your wish? Yes, there can be a murder without a body.
Quite a few people around the world have been imprisoned for murder without a body found. It doesn't make for an easy case on the prosecutorial side, but it can be, and is, achievable.
This is from Peter de. Vries website... Hope it is ok to post.
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02 - 03 - 2008 / 4:00 p.m. (G.M.T.)
FINISHED!
- MATCH OF THE YEAR –
It
’s Sunday afternoon, almost half past one. Normally I would have attended the match of the year: The Amsterdam soccer team Ajax against the Rotterdam team Feyenoord.
I usually never miss it, but for the TV moment of the year I made an exception.
Wow, it
’s almost done now. We have finished the studio recordings, in which I present the up coming show. During the recording I began to feel the price of the hard work, I made some slips, so it took longer than normal to record. My colleague Kees van der Spek rushed to the studio to finish the montage. I joked: After that we’ll bring this tape to the SBS studios, under full police surveillance. Imagine what would happen if this tape disappeared!
- ONE BIG JET FLAME -
Beth Twitty, who was my guest the last couple of days, has already left for the United States again. She will be appearing in a well known talk show tomorrow and could not stay any longer. I had a memorable time with her. On the Internet I
’ve read some strange stories about Beth, but these don’t fit with my experiences.
I
’m glad we’re ready to go. We needed every second the past three days, from Thursday, the moment it became known that we had a scoop, until now, but it feels like a long time to wait for this news. I realize this and understand the criticism and annoyance of some of our audience.
I have already written that the speed our story becoming world news surprised me. It wasn
’t a slow burn but a jet flame and then yes, three days becomes a boring wait. But it could not have gone any other way. The story simply was not finished yet.
It takes a lot of work to make a two hour documentary, even when you have the material in your pocket. Normally you need one hour for every one minute of edited material, so a report of 90 minutes costs 90 hours. That amounts to two full working weeks that Kees van der Spek and top editor Rick Lankreijer did in just a few days.
Joe you ASSume wrong. It's definitely not my wish. It's the dutch law ("strafrecht") that i'm familiar with since i'm practicing it for more then 15 yrs now...
So in dutch law, if there is no body a person cannot be convicted of a murder even if you have a confession and circumstansial evidence, not to mention the victim has been declared DECEASED?
Hey Steve, I mistakenly put de Vries website on the URL box. It was just there to reference the link. Whoops.
The show just started, I'll try and give updates with the highlights as it progresses.
I hope other people in The Netherlands is also watching and can comment as well
First part of the show & commercial break.
So far, a review of the case from the beginning, plus commentary from Peter de Vries stating that Joran's admission of guilt was not just once but took place repeatedly during the course of the six months that they've been following him. Also, he was asked on several ocassions and he never denied having said it and even bragged about it on ocassions.
(Steve, if you want to edit the comments, delete them or add them all together, feel free. I hope you don't mind them).
The review of the case continued, with footage (which I had never seen) of Joran and Natalee, on the evening of her disappearance, playing poker in one of the casinos in Aruba. The footage was from security cameras.
They also introduced the guy who did the hidden camera for Peter de Vries. His name is Patrick.
The man is an entrepreneur (that's how he was introduced) who was born in Aruba and currently resides in the Netherlands. Apparently this person has a lot of knowledge of the Aruban underworld. He commented on the fact that Joran was so eager to share details with him because he stated repeatedly that he didn't care about the crime.
The camera was planted in an SUV type of vehicle because they thought Joran would be more at ease talking while the guy drove than talking in a closed environment.
The hidden camera was planted on the first week of January. Joran brags about the wine he threw on Peter de Vries' face. He hurls insults at de Vries, calling him all kinds of names.
He also explains how the girl is dead and he dumped her, with the help of a friend with a boat (as Steve posted earlier). He also states that the body will never be found.
The guy is clearly a psychopath. At all times he is smoking pot, while talking to Patrick. He shows nothing but contempt to the justice system, the police and even the friends who provided his initial alibi. Seeing him talk gives me the chills.
Running commentary on today's Peter de Vries show here:
http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/
I didn't think I'd be shocked, but I kind of am.
^ sorry, not commentary, but rather transcription, or paraphrasing of the show, whatever you want to call it.
The show is now over and I agree with Sandra, I am shocked. This Joran person is so cold hearted, such a horrible human being that I am speechless.
Even if his story that she died of drugs or alcohol poisoning was true, I cannot believe he is capable of speaking of her in those terms. At a certain point he says "I was her with less than three hours, I couldn't even f**k her and she dies!". Good lord, it's all about HIM, not about the fact that the poor girl died, no... it's about the fact that he couldn't have sex.
If this had happened to a member of my family, I don't know what I would be capable of doing to this guy after seeing him talk like this...
The show is not over yet, my mistake. It was a news flash during the comercial break.
Thanks for your notes, edna. I'm following what's going on via the internet, and although I have not heard/seen him talk, I'm also getting the chills. I'm inclined to believe that he has finally come out with what really happened, and it's sickening.
Is there any forensic evidence offered? Any physical clues to support all of this? Please, I hope.
The last part of the show was Natalee's mother's reaction. Very sad to see her watch the confessions.
I hope the whole show is soon available on youtube or a torrent site with English subs, as it was very much worth watching.
Thank you so much for the link to Fokkinel.com! It's great that you wanted to use some of the info we dug up on your blog.
It appears that it is not the same Daury as named in the video, it is not the one that was not on the island.
check it out:
http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/
Mobs are seaching for Joran, stopping cabs and looking into them
http://www.nieuwnieuws.nl/
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chris | 02.04.08 - 5:21 pm | #
So Joran isn't out on the town partying tonight? He's created his own hell on earth.
I read an article this morning about this guy Patrick that befriended Joran and taped Joran exposing himself. It said Joran and he met at a casino some months back. This Patrick had served some time in jail for marijuana, and therefore had some underworld connections. This is the reason Joran was taken with Patrick. Patrick asked Joran if he wanted to be involved in this criminal ring of people and Joran said he would.
Joran is destined for an early death or for an end to his living by way of prison, in my opinion. It wasn't enough that an 18 year old was involved in either the death of, or the cover up of Natalee Holloway. It's not enough that there is mounting gambling debt for this young man, either. No, he would like to be involved in a criminal ring now as well!
"Threw her overboard like an old rag". What a cold hearted, self centered POS.
The silence is deafening.
I am surprised that people aren't talking about the case here at steve's blog and in the comments. It is really moving pretty fast considering.
Check out: scaredmonkeys.com
the latest is that they have more evidence than what was revealed
Additionally, this site below is an excellent resourse concerning this case.
http://equivocationnation.blogspot.com/
If any of you feel like checking those sites out and commenting about it here at steve's site, I am more than will to discuss.
I have a feeling people were kinda speechless after seeing the De Vries video.
i think that he did something to her on the beach. She just didn't die on her own. He should be treated like an outcast from here on.
The latest is that Beth Twitty was asked by the lead investigator within 48 hours of Natalee gone missing if Natalee were subject to seizures or if she had epilepsy.
The hitch to this is, now almost 3 years later, Joran said in the DeVries tapes that Natalee started shaking and he could not get a response from her.
The drawn conclusion is that the investigative team would have had to know something about the "shaking" from Joran as it was known by them within the first 48 hours.
You know lies usually carry some small grain of truth with them. I think we just found that grain.
I can't believe how cold and callous this kid is... It's scary! Like he has no soul!
I am wondering where this kid is now??? I heard that there were mobs looking for him in Holland... opening cabs and stuff.... I hope he does get lynched... Im sure it would be great satisfaction to Beth T... I wonder if his parents are going to work etc...
Beth Twitty said that her hell is ending and Joran's is beginning. Might be true.
It's crazy! There is definitely corruption going on... and a HUGE coverup... That Paulis is so slimy looking it's crazy... He looks like a serial murder or something... This family is deplorable... It's such a shame for Beth. She's awesome though... She is one tough lady and so true to her daughter. I'd do the same thing she is doing! She is right... His hell is just beginning. The latest is that his family is afraid he may kill himself.. Oh boo hoo... Poor guy! I just hope that he stays alive long enough for the world to blow the lid off of his familys corruption. I hope they get exiled from Aruba alltogether... Scumbags! Scaredmonkeys has lots of info...
OK American citizens, let’s get busy. Go to http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com. Here you will find details about the Natalee Holloway case, a petition to sign, and the addresses of your senators, representatives, and the U.S. Embassy to the Netherlands. We need to flood Capital Hill with emails about Natalee
’s travesty of justice. We need to contact local travel agencies, large travel companies, and cruise lines who make regular stops in Oranjestad. Financial support is needed by EquuSearch. The address is Texas EquuSearch Mounted SAR Team, P.O. Box 395, Dickinson, Texas 77539. Indicate that your check is for Natalee Holloway and Persistence. Send an “appropriate” email to everyone you know, detailing the dangers of traveling to the corrupt and dangerous island of Aruba. These emails will multiply exponentially. If each of us does a little, the result will be tremendous. Send an email to your senators and representative asking for travel and safety advisories for US citizens traveling to Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles. The Congressional links are at http://arubanboycottblog.com. Aruba is not protecting U.S citizens. There are drugs, corruption, thefts, kidnappings, and Joran van der Sloot who they will not arrest after his recent video debut.
Here is some more Boycott information. The names below are a partial list of businesses who are currently thriving on the miserable little island of Aruba. These are names that we all recognize. Perhaps we need to be mindful of where we spend our money, here at home, until there is a resolution to Natalee Holloway’s disappearance.
Radio Shack, Heineken, Benetton, Fendi, Gucci, Sears, Servistar, True Value, Cartier, Terminix, Hooters, Tony Rama, Ernst and Young, Nautica, Athlete
’s Foot, Red Sail Sports, Hugo Boss, Polo Ralph Lauren, Salvatore Ferragamo, Nike, Mango, Hyatt, Radisson, Marriott, Occidental, Westin, Holiday Inn, and La Quinta.
Good evening. It is very probably true what has been suggested before: The two murderers are hiding in the vicinity of the city of Eindhoven, South Netherlands. There, along the road ,,Boschdijk", just opposite the huge building of ,,Philips Nederland", is the ONLY mental institution of North Western Europe locking up heavy criminals, psychopaths, political prisoners (Indeed!), and inventors of cheap energy-engines: The Mental Institution ,,Groote Beek", the former ,,R.P.I." and ,,G.G.Z.E" in the city of Eindhoven. Address: Boschdijk 771, 5626 AB Eindhoven. Good luck, Gerard.
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