IF this comes to light that she was being abused, I say good riddance to this man...he got exactly what he deserved!
When I read she was from Trinidad and saw the age difference, I wondered if she was a mail-order bride?
I don't understand wearing sunglasses in photos. It always makes me think the wearer is hiding something.
Strangulation with an electrical cord is pretty "up close and personal." I doubt it would be the method of "self-defense" that I would use, if I needed to do so.
I dont know Soobs. If it was the only thing handy at the time. Electrical cords are pretty easy to come by in any room of any house.
I'd like to hear more about the scenario.
Maybe she has bruises because he didn't want to be strangled. I don't see why she should get the benefit of the doubt.
Maybe because he is a convicted rapist, robber, and burglar, not to mention attempted murderer?
http://www.newsday.com/news/
loca...0,1556585.story
If someone was pulling on a cord wrapped around your neck, wouldn't you go for their arms?
If he did abuse her, she should have just left him. He can't respond to her allegations now so they should be dismissed unless she has more than a sob story to show that she was using force to defend herself. I don't see how her bruises are exculpatory given the circumstances.
He was convicted of some felonies in the 1980s. He still deserves to be treated like a murder victim and she deserves to be treated like a murderer.
SOME felonies? Rape and attempted murder tend to lead to thinking that abuse was definitely a viable defense.
If it was just the drug charges, just the burglary etc. I could accept that.
The fact that you say SOME felonies makes me wonder about you now that you know what he has been CONVICTED for.
That said, how a convicted felon and an immigrant can afford a house where they do is questionable as well, and she may very well be guilty.
PS, saying that a woman can just leave an abusive relationship is rather naive. Actually QUITE naive.
I don't know what the circumstances of his rape conviction were. It does not speak well of his character. But now he has been murdered I don't see how it matters. He was out of trouble for the past couple of decades. His past is not evidence that he raped his wife or that he somehow deserved to be strung up. Mrs. Forbes had every opportunity not to marry a convicted rapist.
There are countless rich immigrant felons and in any case, a $1 million house somewhere in LI is no big deal. My sister spent more than that on her first apartment. I have not read everything about this case but it seems he owned a well known barber shop in Brooklyn and had other ventures. By NY standards, he was a middle-class guy. Naturally, the media is playing up the money aspect.
I live in the area. Circumstances including rape and attempted murder do not qualify IMO. If you rape, you are effed up, if you try to kill you are effed up.
Not to mention the burglary and drug charges.
And Brooklyn is NOT Manhattan. A barber shop would not be that great of a venture. And by the way, it was her that had the business.
How many times have you done a background check on the woman YOU were dating btw? She may very well not have known about his past convictions.
And even living in the area a million dollar home is pretty hefty. Most that own them are not convicted rapists.
Dude, defending a rapist is sick, he CONFESSED.
I am by no means saying she didnt cold blood murder the guy, but his past definitely plays a part in my well, maybe she was defending herself from a proven violent man.
I am not defending rape. I am someone who doesn't think that murder is OK when the victim is not a nice guy.
According to the NY Post, Mr. Forbes owned the barbershop. I don't see how you can make guesses about a particular business you know nothing about. Barbershops are all cash. African Americans often have elaborate hair. Nevins Street in Ft Greene is one of the busiest shopping streets in Brooklyn - maybe the busiest. It doesn't mean anything that it was not Manhattan. I can easily see someone being very prosperous from such a business.
All kinds of crappy apartments and houses are worth more than six figures. I am not impressed.
The late Mr. Forbes also was involved in real estate. Perhaps he invested profits from his barbershop in commercial property a few years ago or more. If that was the case, he may have been worth a couple of million.
I don't play detective for every date but when I marry, I hope I'll know whether she is a felon or not, so I can make an educated decision. I will assume that the widow knew what she was getting into.
Since the brutish Mr. Forbes was so much bigger than his wife, it seems odd that he defended himself so poorly. Soon we will find out whether he was drugged or not. I would not be at all surprised. That is one reason that I don't believe her story.
You may be right. Then again given his background and your defense of rapists on the Urine Vandersloot thread makes me wary of you.
And if you are from the area, you would be wary of the Post as well.
Oh, and given his past usage of drugs (also pleaded guilty of) I wouldn't be surprised if he were on drugs either.
I didn't pay much attention to NH back in 2005 and 2006. I thought Elizabeth Smart was more interesting.
I am not aware of evidence that she was raped. She is simply a missing person who probably met foul play. Until there is a body or a real confession, no one will know.
The NY Post is a very poor newspaper, but they love their tawdry local stories. I'll believe them when they say that he owned the business.
A laundry list of Mr. Forbes EIGHT Felonies;
" Michael Forbes spent 4 years and 5 months in prison after pleading guilty in 1984 to charges of rape, robbery and burglary, New York State Department of Correctional Services records show. He was paroled out of Fishkill Correctional Facility, a medium-security prison in Dutchess County, in 1989. A criminal-background check of Forbes also revealed he pleaded guilty after being charged in 1984 with attempted murder, reckless endangerment and criminal use of a firearm. He also pleaded guilty to criminal possession of a weapon and criminal possession of a controlled substance after a 1983 arrest."
http://tinyurl.com/2snrd8
This by no means exonerates his wife until further information is made available by the authorities, but this guy was definitely no Saint.
After being in a deadly relationship myself many years ago, I tell all of my female friends to spend the twenty bucks it costs on a criminal background check if they are serious about a man. Sure it may feel strange, but its better to have all of the facts up front when it comes to your personal safety. Especially where young children are involved. I can tell you from experience that a woman that has been beaten and threatened in front of her own child or children can be pushed over the edge, far past the point of reason. I am just lucky my ex saw I was serious when I let him know I had enough and what was going to happen if he didn't vacate the premises immediately.
Some men don't get the point, which forces the victim to think that killing their abuser is the only way they and their children will ever be safe. Perhaps that is not what happened in this case, but before people condemn this women I think all the facts should be made available.
Too many women sit in prison in our country, for crimes they committed because they felt they had no other choice. No one can know the mind numbing fear, and panic that fills your every pore, when you are living in a constant state of fear. You cease to be a person, and cannot imagine a life without the pain and fear. It breaks you down to your basest level, and its a very ugly place to be.
Ironically I spent many years prior to meeting my abuser shaking my head at 'those women'. Never understanding how a strong women could allow herself to be treated that way. I just couldn't fathom how it was even possible. I certainly knew it could never happen to me. But it did. I value the hard lessons I learned, and I will never lose the deep compassion and empathy I feel for the women that don't find a way to break free and get out before the worst happens. These women deserve our love and understanding. Especially from other women. One day it could be you, or your sister or your best friend. Or your neighbor next door who won't make eye contact and wears long sleeves in the summer.
I'll get off my box now. I just hope this woman is given a fair and honest shake before she is condemne
My keyboard at the D in condemned. 
Yeesh, Ate the D even. I'm definitely going to bed now. :D
In fairness to Timothy, I am one woman who tends to agree with him here. Certainly this man was a convicted criminal, however, two decades of staying out of legal trouble should count for something. Hopefully, he learned the lessons he needed to learn.
Any woman who has the cognitive ability to keep track of numerous dating and social websites has the knowledge she needs to step away from abuse. She was only married in September...too short a time to be extremely interdependent.
I, too, have seen women choose to stay in fearful and degrading marriages. Mostly because they have no experience being on their own, they "love" the man and hope to "change" him, or they have children together.
The information concerning this case that raises a red flag for me is the same one Timothy first mentioned....The strangulation with a extension cord. For a woman her size to have the sheer strength to strangle a man so much larger shows extreme passion.
I would be curious to view the autopsy report....to see if the husband had been drugged in any way.
I think you're all jumping the gun in one way or another. I just wanted to raise questions about this case. I wasn't being ironic with quoting Kelly's favorite quote. There's some real truth to it in general, and it does seem strange that she used it so much and now she's in jail, accused of something that she may be judged for by others.
Michael may fit the profile of a violent, abusive asshole. So far, that would make sense. But she didn't know that before they married? She married him out of fear?
All we know right now is that she's accused of killing him in a rather strange way. She says it was essentially self-defense, or at least a reaction to an ongoing pattern of abuse from him.
She could be telling the truth, or she could be cold-blooded in her own right and decided that she wasn't going to let this man cut off her social life by moving her out to Long Island.
To me, at the moment, both possibilities are equally weighted: Michael was still violent and probably controlling -- his criminal record would certainly make you suspect as much -- OR, Kelly was a psycho in her own right and they were weirdly well-matched until the moment she took him out.
Just goes to show you why I pick some of the subjects I pick to blog about -- circumstances surrounding some crimes aren't always as obvious as they seem at first glance. I'm sure that's the case here.
I can think of lots of questions I'd like to aske Ms Forbes - lets hope the police ask them too. She definitely thinks an awful lot of herself from those web sites, and as if she was shopping for a husband. Yes, only God can judge her ...ultimately. A jury can also do the same thing in the here and now.
I find it interesting that some of the people are quick to defend the wife. She killed her husband and everyone is jumping to the husband's past history.....if it were a woman that was killed by her husband, as seems to be the "norm" lately, would you be bringing up her background as well? I have read these blogs and I can honestly say that "NO" you wouldn't....its always the man that is guilty no matter what. Now I am in no way saying there wasn't some type of abuse and I am not excusing him and his actions if he were indeed abusive to her but to me, it all seems to "perfect".....she kills him, claims he is abusive, his background shows the possibilities of the abuse and she feels she can claim self-defense. I find this case very strange. It will be interesting to see how it all unfolds.
Only God can Judge her? Hmmm. Wrong. I judge her too. I think she may have acted lawfully, although I do think an extension cord is an odd self- defense MO. Maybe he was using it on her (you know how violent men like to strangle their "loved ones")and somehow she got the upper hand here.
Once a violent cretin always a violent cretin. People don't change. They just become caricatures of themselves so his paid time means jack squat to me.
" I dont know Soobs. If it was the only thing handy at the time. Electrical cords are pretty easy to come by in any room of any house."
It takes a long time to strangle someone to death. He'd pass out first. Enough time to get the hell out of the house, and call police. That was what I meant.
What I see as unusual at this point is that she used an electrical cord to strangle him. This is not that easy to do. People still have use of their arms and legs before they go unconscious. He could have fought back by punching her a serious punch, or pulling on the cord, or squeezing her lifeless, too.
Second, news reports are saying that she was 100 pounds lighter than him. How could she then overcome him with only cord, unless of course, he was unconscious? I just can't picture it (though I am open to suggestions).
I am curious to see the toxicology reports. They will likely be telling in this case.
If anyone sees any statements, 911 transcripts, or video of the suspect, please tell me. Thanks!
He had a hundred lbs + on her but she managed to stop him without a gun or knife, basically relying on her strength. It doesn't make sense. If she drugged him and strangled him (sort of like that case in Hong Kong), murder doesn't get more premeditated. In that case, obviously he couldn't have posed an immediate threat to her.
Michael Forbes did have his own business. I know this as a fact. He had this business for years. There are too many assumptions being made here. How many decades does it take for a person to live down their past? Anyone who knows how to post a myspace would also know how to check out a person before getting married. Michael would have shown some violent behavior prior to saying I do. Every person is not force to stay in a bad relationship. Many people can leave. If Michael wanted to kill this woman, he easily could had done so. No small frame woman could have just taken this man out by strangling him. A man would have caught hell. Come on people, think about it. Michael was a big strong man! Stop making him guilty because of his past, and allowing her to walk away with murder because of his past. Has anyone checked out her past from way back? There's more to this woman's background and I am not talking years ago.
Patricia Lee W. Denver, CO
Do we know he was strangled from the front? From the back it wouldnt be too hard and it would be harder for him to fight back.
As for stopping when he was unconcious and she could run, do you really think that she was thinking of that? She was in fight mode, not flight it would seem.
His history has a WHOLE lot to do with this, rapists are violent people, they generally dont stop. I seriously doubt just because his record has been clean for the past 10 years that he just up and stopped being violent.
And as for her not knowing about his being violent, most men dont show that side right away.
But then again it may be just the pairing of a psycho rapist and a crazy chick. Match made in heaven.
Patricia, do you have information on her background? You make it sound like you do and you arent telling.
"As for stopping when he was unconcious and she could run, do you really think that she was thinking of that? She was in fight mode, not flight it would seem."
I don't know what she was thinking. Unconsciousness can occur in as little as 15 seconds. Brain death in 5 minutes.
Yeah, he died at the hospital, he was still breathing, and SHE called 911 which is yet another reason I tend to believe her story. That and she really didnt have all that much invested in the relationship.
Apparently she didnt WANT to live in the nice house, she wanted to go back to Brooklyn.
Not saying this is what happened, but a hypothesis. She says she is leaving, he gets mad and goes after her with the cord (remember people, violent people do not turn non-violent, and rapists are control freaks), she gets it away from him somehow, and turns it on him.
According to you, the widow Forbes is innocent because she wasn't invested in her marriage. I don't follow the logic there.
Who wouldn't prefer Brooklyn to Long Island? I can understand how this lady's desire to escape suburbia might have led to her downfall.
It doesn't make sense that she could have taken the cord away from her husband, overpowered him and strangled him. Unless he was somehow debilitated. In which case it is more likely that the lady produced the cord herself.
Lots of killers call 911.
scary timothy - yes it makes perfect sense if you are protecting yourself.
Why do you say that a violent man who is older cannot be taken by a younger woman who is protecting herself?
He wasn't dead when she called 911, he was unconscious.
I myself would HATE to live in Brooklyn seeing as how it is now. My father grew up there and HE hates it. I much prefer suburbia myself. I wouldn't kill over it though. If I wanted to leave I would leave. If a violent man tried to stop me I would fight.
Don't know what this says about my husband but as soon as I told him about this case he said, he must have been a creep and they must have been playing "tie-up"...She tied him up and strangled him.
Possible?
Silly yes. Stranger things have happened.
You keep calling me "scary" because you disagree with me. You must be easily frightened.
To strangle someone, you would need to physically hold them down, overpower them, for several minutes. A woman can knock out a much heavier, stronger man with a sudden blow, but would she beat him at arm wrestling? Mr. Forbes wasn't exactly elderly. I assume that his arms and legs were free. It is possible that he wasn't debilitated, but it makes less sense.
Maybe he wasn't dead when she called 911, but he was mortally injured, so does it matter? They couldn't save him.
Brooklyn is very desirable now. The outer suburbs of Long Island are boring and charmless in comparison, not that I spend much time there. I have worked there though. You have to drive everywhere. I would even take (parts of) Jersey or Westchester over Long Island. So I second Mrs. Forbes' opinion.
If it was erotic asphyxiation, she shouldn't have lied. That is a better line than the one she came up with.
Who said anything about erotic asphyxiation? I said turning the strangulation device on the rapist who may or may have not have been trying to kill her.
Brooklyn is not desirable to me or anyone I know. Except the ones who are stuck there.
But then again, I am a suburbia girl.
Where did she lie?
BTW, I call you scary because you dismiss rape and murder CONVICTIONS.
Pardon me, attempted murder, convicted rape.
Ooops, sorry scary timothy. I didnt read the other comment. I think extension cord would not be the best item for the erotica though IMO.
Micha suggested erotic asphyxiation. If that is what happened, Mrs. Forbes hasn't revealed it to the press. Maybe she should have, whether or not it is true.
Bed Stuy is still sort of block-by-block, but houses there are going in the low millions. $400,000 is a one-bedroom in Park Slope. A 1,000-square-foot apartment in Carroll Gardens would be like $750,000. On the high end, a great townhouse in the Heights could go for $10,000,000 or more - the price of a good Park Avenue apartment. So Brooklyn is very desirable.
Mr. Forbes didn't kill anyone (wasn't it attempted murder?) No one has cried "rape" except maybe you. He stayed out of trouble between prison and the grave. He was killed by his wife, not by a stranger. I am not "dismissing" his convictions. He was a former thug. I don't think that the guy's past excuses the crime we're talking about now. It is hard to see how she could have been defending herself.
Kelly Forbes is charged with second degree murder. Second degree in NY is like first degree in other states.
Melissa, I didn't see your last two comments before I posted my previous comment.
Those of you who dont know anything about kelly and her life should have nothing to say!!!!!!Firstly she didn't know about his past(it's not like when you start dating someone you say to yourself..let me google him to see if he's a rapist!!! be real guys!!!)secondly can any of you say that she doesn't have bruises about the rest of her body?my guess is you cant...and what about her daughter...can you say thatn there are no bruises on her?????
i'm sure none of you can say yes...so stop making assumption on y kelly did what she did!!!
maybe...just maybe she had no CHOICE!!!!
Assumptiona assumptions assumptions..that's all you guys have.
Do any of you know kelly...have any of you spent time with her..know her background...her family? No???
Then you should be careful what you say.
Firstly she didnt know about his past(you dont say to yourself hey let me check and see if my bf is a rapist..unless you have reason to and she didnt have any.
Secondly,I happen to KNOW that she like her house and she wouldnt kill him to leave.
Thirdly does anyone of you know if there are ONLY bruises on her arm?
I'm guess no so hush?
Forthly does anyone know if there are bruises on her kid???
Do you all know that bhe previously had a stroke...maybe he had another when they where fighting and that's how she over powered him!!!
None of you know all the details so you really shouldnt judge.
Would you feel the same if she was a member of your family?
Kelly was right only god can jude her and only god should!!!!!!!!!!!!
domestic abuse isn't pardonable but since when it is right to kill the abuser when there's this thing called THE POLICE? this country does not allow you to take the law into your own hands. i'm tired of women playing the abuse card to vindicate their reasons for being just as abusive to the abuser.
this woman was only with her husband for a year. she saw his money, his promises and who knows, maybe even planned this. if she had moved out and filed for divorce she would have lost the house. now she gets to keep it.
if he abused her i'm sure it didn't start once they were married and what kind of mother invites this kind of man into her life when she has a daughter.
this woman deserves jail.
as for his previous convictions, he could have also gotten a good plea bargain for 'admitting' to all those allegations. he could have gotten a heftier sentence than 4 years for any one of those charges by the jury and could have taken the sentence and all those charges knowing that. he's been clean for 20 years, been a great businessman, not that that excuses him from his past but i really question the mental capacity of people who think it's okay for a woman to kill her husband on the mere claim of abuse? the evidence isn't even out yet.
melissa -stop playing the estrogen card.
you give women a bad name.
LOL at the estrogen card. Where do you get that from?
From what she says it was during the stuggle. I dont know what happened, but with his history (umm, people dont plead guilty to rape to get a lesser charge), and the fact that rapists have proven over and over that they DO NOT STOP, I think she has a good case of reasonable doubt until we know the story for sure.
This wasnt a woman killing her sleeping husband. This was a woman who struggled with her husband and when he went unconcious she called 911 to get him help.
looks like Kelly Forbes is so distraught the first thing she did when she got home was log in to her myspace. I know that on the first day of my release i'm hitting up the computer to talk to all my friends and check out my latest comments.
she's awesome.
also, her current status is good, smiley face
doesn't seem like a victim to me
Rolls eyes...
"Rolls eyes..."
wow, you must be smart.
let me guess next you're going to post something like
*sigh*
brilliant!
No, the only expression I could express toward someone watching someone disable her MySpace, and didn't change her mood status while disabling it.
Jesse seems real smart in her deductions.
Can one access MySpace from a max security prison? Because I do genuinely wish Kelly Forbes better luck in her future relationships.
There will be some guy who thinks: "Ok, so she murdered her last husband and she's in prison. Can I do any better? Hmmm... No, probably not."
scary tim - you DO realize that a grand jury has the least burden of proof to indict right?
You brush off rape and attempted murder convictions but are all there for her being guilty, even if a grand jury (which is usually a slam dunk for prosecutors to get an indictment) let her go.
So VanDerSloot is innocent even though he lied (at LEAST 7 times and admits even HE wouldnt believe him) and has a shady past, her husband wasn't abusive even though he is a convicted rapist and attempted murderer.
Should I conclude you don't use logic and just don't like women?
I wasn't aware that the grand jury didn't indict her. But I doubt that the State will give up that easily. She is still charged with murder. I don't think that she'll get life, but I do expect that she'll eventually do time. There is no question that she killed her husband. But she has apparently done well with the grand jury. Some people seem to think that women are automatically innocent. I hope that this doesn't turn out like the Mary Winkler case.
Even if Mr. Forbes was abusive in some way, which is unproven and an obviously self-serving accusation at this point, the homicide wouldn't be justifiable unless he was threatening her just before she attacked him. I don't buy that scenario; I have explained why.
I am not a misogynist. It is undisputed that Kelly Forbes killed Michael Forbes; there is only circumstantial evidence against Joran van der Sloot. From what we know, the case against him doesn't remotely approach proof. He would never be prosecuted in America given the amount of evidence so I don't see why you expect so much of the Arubans.
Please, Scott Peterson was convicted on less then what they have on VanderSloot.
Yes, its undisputed that she killed him, why do you think that its unreasonable to believe she may have been defending herself? This is where his past DOES come into play. There is no question that he is a violent person. He has been convicted for attempted murder AND violence of the worst kind to a woman.
Melissa, do you realize how ridiculous you are being?
You have no proof that Michael was abusive towards his wife Kelly yet you're saying because of a record he had 20 years ago that means he threatened his wife? Do you even know the full details of those charges or just know what he was sentenced with? The prison system is in place as a means of rehabilitation. While that doesn't mean ex-convincts don't repeat their offenses it means if the parole board can give these people a chance so should you.
How do you know Kelly Forbes didn't have a fiery temper herself? Let's face facts, this woman didn't have anything before she met Michael. No job, no house, but a 7 year old daughter. While Michael had a criminal past he did do the respectable thing and get a job. His own business actually which apparently wasn't too shabby. I'm not saying he did or didn't abuse her but her record doesn't portray her an angel either. A lot of women in abusive situations turn violent aginst their partners after years of abuse, not 3 months! And it is very suspicious that she was able to overpower him considering how much bigger he was in size and weight.
Murder is hard to indite someone with. Just because they haven't agreed to charge her with doesn't mean they don't think she killed him. They might think she did it in the heat of the moment versus plotted it which will downgrade the charge to manslaughter, not murder.
Also, it has been said in the papers that Michael Forbes fired his father-in-law, who was hired to renovate their house, for doing shoddy work. Who knows if this caused a rift between the two which added to her anger.
Melissa, you're harping on everyone who is looking at the situation logically. Just because someone served time in this country does not mean they don't have rights. The first thing this woman should have done is call the police before she hunted for that extension chord. Despite all this "abuse" her daughter slept soundly upstairs. And on her first day released from prison she logs into her computer to check her mail? sounds like a lovely family.
I think y'all sound ridiculous myself. RAPE - rapists dont stop raping nor do they stop being controlling people. I have heard nothing about her history, it hasnt been in the papers, and she did so have a job and looks like she was taking care of her daughter quite well.
Do you know how low the burden of proof is for a grand jury?
She also didnt check her e-mail, she disabled her MySpace. More than likely she had been getting a lot of comments she didnt want to deal with.
She very well may be a cold blooded murderer, but the jury doesnt seem to buy it. Not so far anyway.
Melissa - let me guess, you were raped at some point, couldn't get over it, and now hate all men in general.
the guy had a heart attack a month ago. how strong could he be?
BTW, shouldn't you be at a church some where in the south hating men, poor people, people of color, and making statues of penises so you could have the joy of breaking them into little pieces afterward?
Bad guess. But I do hate rapists.
Are you in favor of them?
no, i hate them just as much as i do ignorant women named Melissa.
btw, do you even work? where do you find the time to respond to each person right after they publish a comment?
i just realized...you must be serving on the Forbes jury. no wonder nothing is getting done.
What is ignorant about what I am saying? Instead of attacking why dont you come up with an argument?
He didnt have a heart attack btw. So when you come at me, with your ridiculous attacks, do it with the right information.
Prior history plays significant roles in cases like this. Its not like I am making up this man's history.
Hey victor, before harping on someone about how much they post, you should check your OWN history - 3:10,3:23, 3:34, and 3:25? LOL
BTW, there is NO Forbes jury. It hasn't reached that point yet.
to Soobs aka Melissa: in the Merrick Herald and Newsday it is reported that in October Michel Forbes was hospitalized for a heart attack.
Melissa has to report again to court tomorrow. Prosecutors are still going to present their case to a grand jury. this woman hasn't been cleared. if you're read actual papers you'd know that.
i'll wait for you to respond in the next few hours with something equally ignorant as your prior commentary either under your original name or something equally clever like soobs...maybe boo-hoos or yeahs or smith.
*Kelly has to report again to court tomorrow. Prosecutors are still going to present their case to a grand jury.
Yes Victor, I am aware of that. They haven't indicted yet, which in the case of a grand jury is very rare. As I stated before, and you can look it up, the burden of proof is almost nothing for them to indict. Its usually a given.
As for your heart attack claims from Newsday, I will give you a quote. "Michael Forbes, who had recently been hospitalized for what neighbors said was a heart attack or stroke, bore no wounds or other obvious trauma, police said. But from the beginning, police said they were treating it as a homicide."
Neighbors say. His parents have been very vocal, you think THEY would have mentioned it? The police haven't been quoted about it either.
Further if it was a stroke and it effected his frontal lobe instead of hit motor skills that would lead to loss of inhibitions. People who have NEVER been violent before who have had their frontal lobe injured have been known to become violent. And this guy DOES have a violent history, as has been established.
Now the neighbors squawking about either a heart attack or stroke isn't proof to me. Is it to you? He could have been hospitalized for a number of things and they are speculating.
I am not ignorant about this case or what is going on, nothing that you have said is news to me. Tomorrow is the DEADLINE for them to indict. The fact that they haven't and have had the case for more than a week speaks volumes. For the most part an indictment takes all of an hour. Grand Juries take all the cases in the docket in their area and decide on them.
And Soobs is not me, and I am not Soobs. You can e-mail Steve if you want verification. I live in NJ and she lives in Michigan.
And for the record MELISSA (me) has to report to work tomorrow, not court lol.
Melissa,
I didn't pay attention to the Peterson case at all. In the Natalee Holloway case there is no affirmative evidence that she is dead, that she was murdered, how she died if she is indeed dead, when and where it happened, and so on. The number of suspects creates reasonable doubt for all of them.
You know that I am dubious about Kelly Forbes' claims of self defense; I have explained why.
Timothy, the only reason there are that many suspects is BECAUSE of the lies that the trio told. They pointed fingers at everyone.
When it comes down to it now there are 4. Urine, The Kaleopes (sic) and Urine's dad.
FACT - you dont lie if you are innocent. Not as much as they did in any case. You dont blame the black guy (thats a SURE indication of guilt). And correct me if I am wrong, but you said you didnt pay attention to the Holloway case either. You thought the Elizabeth Smart case was more interesting.
I dont understand why you are dubious, in fact your explanation is kind of sketchy.
Why would you be dubious of self defense of a woman against a rapist and attempted murderer?
I really ignored Laci Peterson. Natalee Holloway was inescapable for a while, although I wasn't particularly interested.
In a case with several suspects who have given various conflicting accounts where there is no evidence whatsoever to help authorities and nothing at all is known regarding the details of the crime, who can say what happened? It could have been any one of them, or more than one of them, or none of them. So how can any of them be punished without a confession or substantial evidence of some kind?
Mrs. Forbes wouldn't be able to strangle her husband like that, given the disparity in size between them, unless he was somehow incapacitated, perhaps from his health problem or something he consumed. If he was so incapacitated or out of it, then it is unlikely that he posed a lethal threat to her at the time of the incident, even if you believe that there is some truth to her claims.
So she should probably go to jail forever for what she did (NY has no death penalty). At least, that's what his family thinks. Can you blame them?
The 4 suspects in question all fell in line with the same lies. They all changed them at the same time papa Urine told them to. They never went against each other.
How do you know what she is able to do btw? 150 lbs is a strong woman. And adrenaline can do wonders for someone who feels threatened.
I think he should have been in jail forever for rape. Can you blame HIS victims?
"to Soobs aka Melissa: "
LOL, foolish too. Hell, Melissa and I aren't even of the same political persuasion.
I am not going to keep arguing with you about Natalee Holloway. It is obvious that the Aruban police have not yet solved the mystery.
How come Michael Forbes didn't get an adrenaline rush when he was being strangled? If he was awake, he should have.
Women are mostly less strong than men, even when they weigh a lot.
You seem to think that the killer was the one who was threatened, just because here a woman attacked a man.
It wouldn't be easy to strangle a healthy person much larger and (probably) stronger than oneself unless the person was inert, restrained or weakened. Either condition would definitely make this crime a murder.
If it was up to me, I wouldn't put a first-time rapist in jail for life. Rape isn't the same thing as murder.
"How come Michael Forbes didn't get an adrenaline rush when he was being strangled? If he was awake, he should have. "
I don't know what happened, but a person can lose consciousness in 10 seconds. Not much time for a rush.
"If it was up to me, I wouldn't put a first-time rapist in jail for life. Rape isn't the same thing as murder."
You might if you had been raped (and no I have never been.) And I'd certainly put a child rapist in jail for life, first offense. Actually, I think I'd put them all in jail. Then again, I think some rape deserves the death penalty. (another way to tell Melissa and I apart.)
Strangling someone would take a few minutes. If he did lose consciousness within seconds and she didn't stop, she is definitely guilty of murder, whatever else was going on. But I would think that if I tried to strangle someone who was posing a serious physical threat to me and was therefore able and conscious, the person would fight for his or her life.
Rapists should of course go to jail, but life in prison (without possibility of parole, I mean) ought to be reserved for murder, or at least repeated rape of children, in my opinion.
Why Tim? Do you think they stop?
And btw, the adrenaline rush I was talking about was the one that Kelly (may have) had if HE was attacking HER.
Life in prison without parole is the worst punishment in our justice system, a substitute for the death penalty. The state takes the criminal's whole life. It is a fitting punishment when the criminal has done the same.
If she became suddenly acquired the power of super-strength because she was attacked, why didn't he when he was the one who was seriously attacked and killed? You are pretty much only speculating that she was attacked anyway because you think it couldn't have happened any other way since she was a woman.
The outcome of the fight is unlikely if it was fair.
Rape takes a persons soul, their mental well being and their sense of safety for the rest of their lives. So fitting punishment for rape should be locked up for the rest of their lives. At least the victim will not think he will go after them again.
The dead at least have peace. Though I agree that is also a justifiable life sentence.
No, actually I am speculating on the FACT that he is a convicted rapist, attempted murderer etc.
She doesn't have a criminal history (we would have heard about it by now) and that she was severely bruised. He however was incapacitated, but not dead when SHE called 911 to get him help and told the cops what happened. She didn't make up a story about someone breaking in and doing it.
This has nothing to do with gender, although I suspect YOU of that with your comments about other cases here. I will be the first to condemn a woman who is obviously guilty.
You are mistaking the attack and the defense. His adrenaline would have already subsided if its the scenario I am hypothesizing (and by the way, thats what I am doing)
I thought that rape victims still had souls. Thanks for enlightening me.
Rape victims have a chance to recover like other people who have suffered assault or injury. They have a chance to seek justice. They can be helped.
In your opinion, is rape without lasting physical injury worse than a severe, merciless beating?
Murder victims are completely, destroyed, gone forever, robbed of everything. Their families are robbed. Any children they might have had will never exist.
Murder and rape are both serious crimes, but there is a big difference.
I have said this before but bruises do not prove anything. He also had a right to defend himself. Maybe he grabbed her arms.
If he was the fierce attacker, how did she overpower him? Why didn't she end up seriously hurt? That scenario doesn't agree with the manner of his death.
There was an episode of "The Shield" where Michael Chiklis' character gets a frantic call from a prostitute who informs for him. When he gets there, he finds a john shot dead. She is a drug addict and was just jumpy. He doesn't want to lose her as an informant so he gives her a good shiner to make it look like self defense.
Good lord, you are taking words and skewing them. When I said soul I meant something different than what you are talking about.
Yes, they can recover. A lot do. It does not excuse doing the unthinkable to a person.
Close your eyes, imagine a person being raped, being humiliated beyond anything they could have ever comprehended.
Now keep your eyes closed.. Imagine it was YOU.
Oh great. Lets bring up the Shield. Instead of this particular case where he was still alive and breathing.
I agree that rape is a terrible crime. It is less terrible than murder and deserves a lesser penalty.
If Mrs. Forbes had bruises, it does not mean that Mr. Forbes gave them to her. Since she killed him, whatever she says about him should be regarded with skepticism.
Or not, given his history of rape and attempted murder.
I would also like to say that I know quite a few people that would fight to the death (myself included) instead of being raped. So maybe rape isnt better than death depending on who you are.
Hopefully no one will hold you to that.
What would you do? Rape and possibly death? Or fight?
OMG what are you doing to people? you've sucked timothy in too. and how the hell do you know where soobs lives? do you spend all day on this site?
why would i email the site admin to find out? he shouldn't even been divulging this to people for one and secondly it's f**king retarded.
also, why are turning this into a rape thing? the wife isn't even claiming that her husband raped her. you think you know his personality type because you read a charge on his rap sheet? and because he raped a woman his wife decided she would revenge his victim's honor by strangling him? wow, you're the next law&order prodigy.
i had the misfortune of getting the flu this year and i'm stuck at home reading the news on this thing to no avail. Melissa, are you a police officer? you have the kind of personality that could be used in interrogations to make innocent people admit something they didn't do just to stop the castigation.
Lay off the drugs Victor. You are insane.
Just had to come back to post this:
http://www.newsday.com/news/
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"Strangling was manslaughter, not murder"
her lawyer said:
"Clearly the grand jury did not buy the murder charge," Capetala said after Forbes's arraignment. "Normally a grand jury will indict anything or anyone, including a ham sandwich."
wow this guy either has zero faith in the American people or he's a f**king moron. even i called this one. no, in domestic abuse cases with no prior history of abuse murder is not a slam dunk and evidence of premeditation was not presented. her layer is a cocky @$$ and should go back to law school. if you scroll up a few days you'll notice that even i called this one.
nice, she'll pay for the attorney fees and bail with her dead husband's money. i'm sure he would have wanted that way
p.s. melissa, eat $hit and...
I will have a real bad feeling in this women gets away with this crime without having to answer some real tough questions and coming up with answers that make sense. Melissa, you sound like you would be just fine if they simply allow this woman to walk because of Michael's past. It doesn't sound like he was an angel, but she doesn't exactly sound squeaky clean. I suspect that Kelly has been given so much help in how she should plead, and she is already aware of the fact that she has this case beat because of Michael's past record in the eighties. I don't believe that Kelly is as innocent as you seem to believe Melissa. No matter what logic anyone comes up with your mind is already made up. Michael Forbes did not wait to get married, buy a beautiful home, and prepare for retirement just to beat the hell out of the woman he made his wife. This man made mistakes in the past, but he stayed out of trouble for 20 years. Do you really think he would just throw that all away? If he was as violet as you have branded him sweetie, this lady would have certainly have known that this man wasn't the kind of person that she would had wanted for her and her daughter to share a life with. They dated for over a year. I don't believe she wanted to be married to this much older man, but she wanted to marry him for other various reasons. I also don't believe that she accomplish killing him all by herself. I think she could have had help. The smartest thing for her to do was to call 911. This way her story of self-defense would be more believable. Women will back her up just because every many is already guilty in their eyes. Self-righteous people will back her up because they may read the bible, but will not remeber the story about Apostle Paul and his past. Melissa, you are very negative when it comes to people's past. Have you always been so perfect? Does everyone you know have only wonderful things to say about you? Do we really know the whole story of Michael's past, and why can't we all remember that was 20 years ago. This whole story does not make sense. Her daughter would have heard noise and Kelly could have run out of the house to the neighbors. Michael was not in the best of health.
She is playing us all, and it seems like she is going to get away with it.
You say her past isn't squeaky clean, yet we haven't heard anything about it. If she HAD a past I am sure we would have heard about it. Everyone keeps on saying that he has been such a good boy for 20 years. Remember that 5 of those were in prison.
No, I was never perfect, I also never tried to kill anybody nor have I ever raped anyone.
I have NEVER said she was innocent by the way. Just throwing what could have happened out there too. You guys act like violent people just change. Guess what, they don't. Which leads me to believe she may be telling the truth when she says it was self defense. You act like domestic violence is uncommon, in this case being with a person with an extremely violent past.
She will have to answer the questions at the trial. She has a lawyer and is not answering anything right now. Which is how it works.
Here is what we KNOW:
There was an altercation of some sort and she rendered him unconscious then called 911 to get him help.
She was arrested for murder, yet they couldn't convince a grand jury it was murder.
She is now charged with manslaughter.
She claims it was self defense.
HE has a history of violence which includes attempting to murder someone, and raping someone. (not sure what circumstances of rape y'all would think is excusable or attempted murder for that matter).
Thats ALL we know. How you could come up with cold blooded murder with only these facts is beyond me. I never said she was innocent, just saying that self defense is plausible.
And Michelle, before I eat shit I will ponder how you come up with no prior history of abuse when he has been convicted of the worst kind of abuse possible.
"p.s. melissa, eat $hit and...
Michelle"
Grow up.
" how the hell do you know where soobs lives? do you spend all day on this site?"
Are you really THAT clueless?
"Rape takes a persons soul, their mental well being and their sense of safety for the rest of their lives".
Melissa, I'd like to thank you -- not only for opting to speak for survivors and painting us all with same brush, but for rendering us soulless and mentally unstable, herding us all into the same goddamned small and pathetic corner where we can never be -are never allowed to be- anything but victims. Granted, I'm loonier than a handful of Canadian coins and should probably not be posting this, but :shrug:.
As for violent people never changing, some do turn their lives around and go on to do great good. I'm not saying that they all do, and you can bet your ass I'd not be quick to drop my guard down around someone I'd known to have royally fucked up in the past, BUT, life is a learning process; people do change, and they do grow. I wonder if *some* who re-offend would be less likely to do so if the world did not seem to be full of people judging them on their pasts, breathing down their necks and reminding them they'll never be anything but a night three, four, fifteen years ago.
Melissa, I am sorry for lashing out at you just then. It's late, i'm tired, your post rubbed me the wrong way. I should have thought before hitting 'submit'.
WHAT IN THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE???
Soobs is not an enemy in any way to any one!!! What in the hell is going on here? I'm a regular reader/poster here . . . was just reading this story for the first time ~ why threats??? This might be the right time to leave if you want to threaten anyone!!!!!!
Soobs, e-mail the man! That scared me, then I know you would if needed (not okay) 
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I was threatened?
Tracy, I am sorry it rubbed you the wrong way. I didn't mean to say rape victims are soulless. However, I challenge anyone here to say that they come away unscathed.
Not only that I find a 5 year sentence an insult to rape victims. Nor do I believe that rapists are in the category of rehabilitation. Nor do I think that the majority have ONE victim.
Soobs, if someone can find us by knowing our screen names and the states we live in I apologize lol.
Well, I figure I can't be in that much danger, after all, I live inside YOUR head.
most of you are a bunch of idiots!!!!
kelly had bruises on her neck and arms!!!!hello...what oh what could that have meant????
didnt you not notice her lawyer said she had severe bruises that the police did photograph!!!
as for the money her husband had are you all naive to the fact that she does have any of it or she would have posted her bail by now!!!(michelle you're an a$$!!!!!!!)
some one should beat the hell out of youre a$$ you just sit there and take it!!!
as for michael forbes...the truth will come out about the kind of person he was and when the sh*t hit the fan it will fall on all you idiot who like to talk smack!!!!!!!!!!!
*she doesn't have any of it
"some one should beat the hell out of youre a$$ you just sit there and take it!!!" -trini
trini-as in trinidad?
is everyone in your country this violent? great way to rally up sympathy for kelly forbes by wishing abuse against another poster. you should be her legal counsel. you have such a way with words you'll have the jury on your side in no time! maybe they'll even carry her out of the courtroom and into a bed of golden flowers because she's a delicate little angel who wouldn't hurt a fly, just like you.
sure, more evidence will be presented in time. most likely a year will pass before that happens.
in the mean time why don't you take some anger management classes before you end up in jail like good old kelly. i guess people like you never learn.
the police photographed two bruises on her left arm. there are many allegations floating around: she was cheating on him , he was an abusive husband, she was out for his money. the thing that gets to most people is how a young woman could kill her husband of only 3 months. even on an abuse charge. it was very early in the morning when police were called to the house. i think some people find it hard to sympathize with kelly because, despite a couple of bruises, strangling someone is pretty extreme, especially when you see that person struggling for air right in front of you. it takes a certain kind of heart or imbalance to get so angry you kill the person you just vowed to spend the rest of your life with. especially when she could have left the house and called police instead.
it could very well be that michael forbes hit her that night and made threatening statements. it could be that kelly got so pissed at whatever he said and/or did, maybe not used to that kind of treatment, that she flew into a rage and didn't realize what she was doing until her husband was almost dead on the floor.
none of us will ever know what went on in that relationship or what on that night. kelly forbes is the only living witness from that night and both she and her attorney will obviously create a story that paints her as blameless as possible. she will definitely have the upper hand in trial as 1) she is a single mother 2) she has no priors 3) her dead husband has a record.
both she and her daughter have a lot to go through in the coming months. this is exactly why people should not go to extremes and should seek help from the law if they feel threatened. i doubt michael forbes wanted to kill his wife nor be killed by her. he went i don't believe kelly wanted to be without her husband. he went to great lengths to please her and i'm sure she was happy that she finally found someone to take care of her now. now her future is in jeopardy and tax payers have to pay for a trial for a death that should have never happened.
may god bless michael's soul and may kelly learn from her mistake.
yes it trini as in trinidadien..and no we are not violet people...come and see for yourself!!!
my point was if someone was beating the hell out of you would you sit there and take it?????
how do you know that the murder weapon was not brought in to play by the late michael forbes huh...that maybe he attacked her and she managed to get the upper hand?
i dont know about over there but in trini there are alot of domestic violence case and 95% of the time no one know the the individual is being abused because they never say any thing until it's too late!!!!
why the never say anything is because of FEAR!!!fear that they may be hurt or their familys may be hurt...this could have been a factor in kelly's case!
and i sure both in the wonderful USA and here in TRINI alot of women who are in abusive relationships stay in them because the think their partner will change....but what happen when he tries to kill them huh?? should they not fight back???
human nature tells us that when put in such situations it kill or be killed...which would you chose?
And this whole thing about her running away...can you if you're backed into a corner...do you know that she wasn't!!! you all make her sound like she's a heartless cold-blooded killer but nothing indicates that...she did after all stop strangling him and she did call 911 to get help and she did admit to the police what she did!!!
if she was as heartless as you all make her sound she would have just finish his a$$ off and get rid of the body...don't you think???
At the end of the day you all don't know what happenned the morning and may never know but at least try to have a tiny bit of compassion and give the girl a break!!!
the bible says"JUDGE NOT"!
actually trini you're just as guilty as assuming as everyone else is. you're assuming michael forbes was an abusive husband, that the bruises on her arm were from him and given in an abusive nature, not, as the case may be, the result of him defending himself.
you're just as bad as everyone else on this board who has drawn their own conclusions. you are no better than anyone else, esp by saying that the man deserved the death he got.
try reading your own words before you post next time.
The law said they will leave no stone un-turn. After they investigate Kelly's background and the type of family she comes from then they will have a better idea of what they are really dealing with.
Did anyone see her myspace postings? Was it stated that she continued to visit the website even after marriage? Just asking. Michael had a couple of strokes, or was it one. Nonetheless, she had the opportunity to just leave, or better yet, why even married him if he was so terribly violet against her? She could had pack up her belongings and left while he was in the hospital.
It's not like she was all alone. She has family support. If Kelly was dealing with so much fear, why not tell the police, or even ask his and her family for help in getting away from him or getting counseling? Now days there are too much awareness of men abusing women, and too many alternatives to live in fear.
It doesn't sound like Michael was some big mob crime leader that would have hunted this woman down to kill her. He had a family that loved him very much. Did anyone read anything regarding his funeral? Did he appeared to a man well loved by family and friends? What kind of people are his family?
I believe these things tells alot about the person and rather at some point in his life he took a wrong turn or rather or not being violet is the kind of family or culture background he was from.
It just seem to me that had he attacked her with killing her in mind, he would have left terrible marks on her face and other parts or her body. I don't mean marks that looks like they could have been self-defense marks.
She didn't have to stay.
People get away with murder everyday.
Things are not always as they seem.
"Now days there are too much awareness of men abusing women, and too many alternatives to live in fear. Nonetheless, she had the opportunity to just leave, or better yet, why even married him if he was so terribly violet against her? She could had pack up her belongings and left while he was in the hospital.
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I'm with you Patricia. couldn't have said it better.
I actually find that comment incredibly naive. Women are abused by the minute even now. By the time you read my comment some asshole is beating the crap out of his wife or girlfriend, and she feels there is nowhere to go.
And I also find that people dismissing RAPE as a prior incredibly naive as well.
Not saying she didn't go after him or that it isn't the way you think it is, but I find it horribly sickening how many of you dismiss rape and attempted murder as a "mistake"
i happen to be a member of her family thank you very much!!!so i'm not assuming ANYTHING and that is why i say you should speak about what you know for a fact....i'm sure if it was your family you would not be singing the same tune...what would you do if it was your sister or mother who was in kelly's position...would you want them to go to jail for defending themselves.
and once again she had bruises about her Body not just her arms!!!
BY THE WAY I NEVER SAID HE DESERVED HIS DEATH...IT WAS UNFORTUNATE BUT SHE DIDN'T MEAN FOR THAT TO HAPPEN...AFTER ALL SHE DID STOP AND SHE DID CALL TO GET HIM HELP(HE WAS ALIVE WHEN THE POLICE CAME NO ONE COULD HAVE BEEN SURE THAT HE WOULD HAVE DIED!)
SO YOU SHOULD TRY READING MY WORDS BEFORE YOU POST!!!!!!!
trini, i knew it!!! your statement "some one should beat the hell out of youre a$$ you just sit there and take it!!!" is a dead giveaway -no pun intended
you're not serving your 'relative' any justice by coming on here using angry, bitter invectives laced with profanity you could have come on here and told kelly's side of the story and done so with calm and respect. instead you used attacking phrases, wishing violence on someone else in a poor effort to demonstrate some sort of point that evidence hasn't shown yet.you have a problem with your temper, which, if anything makes your 'relative' Kelly look worse since it shows that the both of you are capable of losing control over your feelings which is something Kelly may have done, leading to the death of her husband.
this is an online forum, not the courtroom. don't expect people to rush to Kelly's side just because the husband she killed had a record. women are abused by their husbands everyday, this is a sad fact. however, a woman who suffers from abuse without getting treatment or help, esp when there are so many sources for help these days, is inexcusable. fear can only be used as a shield for so long and fear is normally psychologically built up after a period of years in a marriage, not 3 months. it is reasonable to assume that a threatened wife of 3 months whould move out as she just recently entered into it. she had family, she had the law, she had her daughter to protect. why would a woman with her life on the line, supposedly, live the with man when her daughter could also become a victim? i'm not saying he did or did not hit her but i believe in the law, to an extent, so i don't agree with kelly literally taking the law into her own hands. the story that's been presented so far has some big holes which is why kelly has been indited. if she was honestly defending herself then i wish her the best. it just looks as if both she and her husband were arguing and she took things to far. the worst can take hold of the best of us. if i'm wrong, so be it. my apologies to everyone.
and trini, shouldn't you be consoling your Kelly and her daughter at a time like this instead of WRITING TO STRANGERS IN ALL CAPS TO EMPHASIZE YOUR NON-POINT.
I have read your words before I responded. The problem is, they don't makes sense.
just one question, if kelly was so afraid her husband was going to kill her, why weren't her injuries serious enough to require bandages and/or hospitalization?
"Before the funeral home filled up with friends and family, 14-year-old Michelle Forbes stood quietly over her father's coffin Friday, gazing down at him and using a tissue to wipe away her tears.
The teen and her mother, Nadene Dunnavant Forbes, had traveled from Maryland to attend the service for Michael Forbes, who was strangled in his Merrick home Nov. 21. Kelly Forbes, 29, his wife of three months, has been charged with manslaughter.
"It's not a good time. We got to get through today and then tomorrow ... life goes on," Dunnavant Forbes said as her daughter stood at her side outside J. Foster Phillips Funeral Home in Jamaica. "She was very close to her father. We were always very close."
rest of article
http://www.newsday.com/services/
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Thank you Oh Boy!!! You put a smile inside my heart because I sincerely appreciate people that can exercise critical thinking ability especially at a time like this.
I also want to thank Timothy and others that have been able to look at this case from only the knowledge that we have at this time and keep a level head. When you keep bringing up the past and treating it as Michael beat and rape his wife the day of his dealth. It is implied that she had to kill him because she was fighting for her life and she just happened to get the upper hand on him, but to show her concern for him she called 911. By the time 911 was called and showed up at the house, it was already too late for Michael. To also implied that she could have disposed of his body only makes me wonder...Background.
He was alreadly gone-he never gained conscienceness. To think that the victim is automatically guilty because of his past record which by the way a past record that you don't have any of the true facts about and neither do I just seems to be irresponsible reasoning to me.
This is why it may be unfair when someone's past is stated out in the open, even if they are the victim instead of making people first considered the facts for each individual case first. A past record should, no doubt come out during the trail, but not now because all some of you can do is only focuse on a past record. Thank you Oh Boy for sharing with me information about the funeral.
I greive for his daughter, his ex-wife, and Michael's family. This man should still be with us. Perhaps no longer married to Kelly, but able to continue living his life as he had done 50 years before being married to her.
A daughter that age would not, could not be as loving and close to her father if he was the monster some sources want us all to believe. Look at the love and peace that follows a person, his family and the type of friends he had. This speaks volume.
A past record? I am not saying she isnt guilty for this but are you actually dismissing rape and attempeted murder? And do you think that just MAYBE she got the best of his abuse that she wasnt abused, or was about to be killed herself?
you all seem to miss my point so i honestly am not going to bother....at the end of the day facts are facts...
1. i in no way have a temper...if you knew me you would know that but you don't so oh well.
2. if you were in kelly's situation you would have a different view but you are not a thank the lord for that and i hope it stays that way....some people deal with issues better than other
3.most of the time children are unaware of the many sides of a person because they never see them but that does'nt mean they don't exist(i my personal case..i was VERY close to my father....thought he could do no wrong but he woke up on morning and decide to attempt to hack my mother to death in front my very eyes!!!!did i see it coming.....No because he never showed that side of him...ever!so to say that michael could not have been the person he is being portrayed as because he has a good relationship with his daughter is a bit naive....but that's just my view.
i am sorry that my comments have lead people to believe i'm this violent person or that trinis are violent because that is not true. i in no way support violence but the truth is alot of women suffer abuse in silence and when situations like these arise the women is blamed for defending herself but if it was "husband kills wife" life goes on a usual!!!
um, we're not excusing his murder and rape record. that happened in 1984 and those charges are over 20 years old. as far as I understand, trying to pin someone for the same crime is called double jeopardy. instead you're taking it a step farther and trying to persecute michael forbes for a crime he committed against someone else and has nothing to do with kelly.
i know, i know, you're trying to establish a pattern in personality or violent tendencies but michael's ex wife has spoken on his behalf and there has been no subsequent evidence of him having a threatening or imposing personality.
i would think that, for Kelly to get the "best" of his abuse, she would have to have something more than a few black & blues on her arm. nothing appears in her mug shot. let's not forget that the few bruises she did have could have been the result of a number of different things/persons.
the more you use this as your only form of validation for kelly's defense the more you weaken it.
if you want to throw a person's history into the pool ask yourself how stable is a woman who, at 29, has a 7 year old daughter and no job. On her profile she did indicate that she worked as a medical/health assistant (avg yearly salary = $20,000-$29,000) but records show she was unemployed at the time of her arrest. She had a number of online profiles with a large number of male 'companions'. She also only knew her now-dead husband, who was considerably older, for 1 year before marrying. With a daughter whose welfare is to be considered, why rush into living with someone whom you suspect as having a violent temperament? 1 year while short in courtship before marriage is long enough to see signs of danger. what about the statements of her spending every weekend with another man? how is that responsible for a non-working mother and newly wed?
quote 1: "most of the time children are unaware of the many sides of a person because they never see them but that does'nt mean they don't exist(i my personal case..i was VERY close to my father....thought he could do no wrong but he woke up on morning and decide to attempt to hack my mother to death in front my very eyes"
quote 2: " am sorry that my comments have lead people to believe i'm this violent person or that trinis are violent because that is not true."
so you're dad, who's trinidadian, tried to kill your mother. and you go on to say that trinidadians are not violent?
and you also said earlier that you're related to kelly? so this history of killing spouses runs in the family.
case closed.
I am so impress with some of the comments from you guys. Hello, your comments are top-of-the-line. I have gotten so mush information from you guys. Thank you for that.
Michael is my cousin. It hurts so much to know that I will never be able to see or talk to him ever again. Although it may sound naive to point out how much his daughter, friends, and family loved Michael, I just felf that it was worth being aware of those facts.
However, I do understand that things are not always as they seem to be, curcumstances still need to make some kind of sense. I strongly feel that before you get to the point where you might have to take someone's life, especially in a domestic violet relationship, Get out of it! As I previously stated, I believe that Michael would have let this woman go.
I realize sometime there is a side of a person we do not see. Most of us experience this on a regular basis when we encountered people that treat us one way and then treat people of high status, or of great importance in their eye totally different. It may be believed that they are so wonderful when in reality they are not.
However, when it comes to faking your true personality on a day-to-day basis is more difficult to do.
When you look at the crimes of a person on paper, if you personally know that individual, you may know some of the facts surrounding the situation.
Trini, just like in your case with your friend. She cannot erase the fact that she had killed her husband. On paper the facts surrounding Michael's dealth will be stated that she strangled him, and that alone will raise suspicion. Trini, you will feel that you know what a good person she is and your opinion of your friend will always be just that.
Is it possible that you could be fooled?
And by the way Trini, wasn't your friend's myspace name Sexy-Trini. Your name is Trini as well. I was just wondering about that.
LEET ME SET ALL OF YOU STRAIGHT, HOPE ALL (HER DAUGHTER,FATHER, COUSIN,BROS,MOTHER,FRIENDS,RELATIVES, ESP. TRINI AND THE WHOLE TRINIDAD & TABAGO) READ THIS.I AM THE EX-WIFE, FIRST OF ALL SHE BROKE GODS FIRST COMMANMENT.THOU SHALL NOT KILL..(ha! HER FAMOUS FAVORITE QUOTE: ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME.) BE READY KELLY...YOU LIKE HOT WEATHER AND THE CITY LIFE??? HELL IS WAITING FOR YOU...YOU WON'T HAVE TO GET ON MY MWAY.COM,YAHOO,ETC, GET READY TO MEET THE NEXT MAN IN YOUR LIFE, HIS NAME IS SATAN AND HE HAS TOUR NEXT HOUSE WAITING FOR YOU..REGARDLESS OF HIS PAST, MICHAEL WAS A MAN WHO TURNED HIS LIFE AROUND TOTALLY..GREAT MAN, FANTASTIC FRIEND AND AN UNBELIEVABLE GREAT FATHER, I STILL LOVED HIM...THIS SHE-DEVIL RIPPED OUT MY DAUGHTERS HEART (THEY WERE VERY,CLOSE, IN HER EYES HE COULD DO NO WRONG) HE TAUGHT HER HOW TO SWIM AT 6 MTHS OLD, PAID FOR HER TO LEARN HOW TO BECOME AN EQUESTRIAN HORSEBACK RIDER (WON FOUR RIBBONS), iCEKATED WITH HER, PAID FOR SUMMER CAMPS, MOVIES, BROUGHT HER ANYTHING SHE WANTED SHE HAD COACH SHOES, BAGS, BELTS ETC.) HE MADE IT TO ALL HER COMPETITIVE CHEERLEADING EVENTS ALL AROUND THE UNITED STATES, TOOK HER ON VACATIONS OUT OF THE COUNTRY ETC...WHAT MAN DOES THIS FOR HIS CHILD..NOT MANY. MY CHILD HEART IS BROKEN AND I AM LEFT TO REPAIR IT..HOW CAN I DO THIS..SO VERY HARD
Did anyone ask if my dad was a trini?i dont think so...stop assuming facts...THATS MY POINT!!!!
People dont always show the same side of them to every one... that is what i was saying so to assume that since he had a good relationship with his daughter he could not be violent to his new wife is a bit naive....i had a great relationship with mine but yet he still did what he did!!!
to his ex-wife...just curious if he was so great a man why didn't your relationship work out....why give up a caring loving wonderful man that's such a great father!!!
GOD ALSO SAID JUDGE NOT...IF SHE IS GUILTY THE FATHER WILL INSURE THAT SHE PAYS FOR HER CRIME...FAMILY/TRINI SUPPORT OR NOT!!!
*by the way my mother is alive and well...thank you for you concern though!
to patrica...yes my name is trini and hers was sexy trini...when you love your country and you're proud of where you come from you show it...TRINIDAD and some of it's people may have their down falls but i love them still!
TRINI-BORN,RAISED,NEVER LEFT.
I am so glad to hear from you. I am Pat, Michael's first cousin. I am so sorry I wasn't able to make it there for the funeral. I started to mention how close you and Michael continued to be. You were always there at the family reunions, and an ex-wife will do that if she had any fear what's so ever. My daughter wanted to get on the blog because she feels as I do, that Michael was murdered. As I have stated, I think this woman had help with this crime. I got to get to work now. May god bless you and Michelle. I pray she will not get away with this.
Michael comes from a God-loving family. You will not find a better group of people. The picture they are trying to paint of Michael being this terrible monster of a man is not who he was.
I feel as though we (Michael's family, and friends) were Rob. Why would she do this? Was it for money, possession or ownership of his property. Why?
Please stop repeating the same thing over and over again. We are talking in the Here and Now. Michael wasn't trying to rape, beat, or kill this woman. Don't you know that woman would have also had to go to the hospital if that was the case.
Her daughter would have woken-up from all the noise in the house. there would had been screams and yelling. She would have had to pick-up something and hit Michale in the head or at least fight like a woman would have to fight a man. She would not have turn into some super-woman.
Do you know how much strenght it would take to do what she claims she did and all while he was supposely beating her. In stead of going for the cord, why not run out of the house?
It will never add up.
LEET ME SET ALL OF YOU STRAIGHT, HOPE ALL (HER DAUGHTER,FATHER, COUSIN,BROS,MOTHER,FRIENDS,RELATIVES, ESP. TRINI AND THE WHOLE TRINIDAD & TABAGO) READ THIS.I AM THE EX-WIFE
I certainly do agree with you. This woman had taken away something very important to this family. I don't see how she can ever be at peace.
to everyone in Michael Forbes family, I wish you the best during these hard times, esp to his daughter who has the most to endure. Thankfully, she has a strong mother who will carry on his loving memories during times when she feels his absence the hardest. May you find solace in your grief and please know that there are many who have been touched by his story and will not forget the strides he took towards becoming a better man. May his daughter live out the dreams that he wanted for her.
to trini, get help. people break up all the time for many reasons and for you to personally come on here and attack Michael's ex wife, if in fact it is her, during her grief is ridiculous and ugly. her reasons for divorce are her own and it shows what a great woman she is by putting the past behind her and being able to have been friends with her ex for the benefit of her daughter. that is the adult and responsible thing to do. it also shows that michael must have been, at the very least, a good father and friend if his ex-wife wanted his influence in her daughter's life. many people who divorce become bitter towards each other for superficial reasons afterward and the men often use this as an excuse to escape the responsibility of being a parent. michael didn't. in fact, at the time of his death he was taking care of BOTH his wife and HER child.
again, you say that your relationship with your father was "great" despite the threats he made to your mother. curiously, did your mother strangle him to death with a chord as well? is this the only resolution your family can think of? i will leave you to invent your next answer/lie for this question.
trini, leave people on here alone as it seems you are fabricating stories to paint michael to be a bad person. you said "some of it's people may have their down falls but i love them still!" EXACTLY! Michael had his downfalls in the past. He moved on and changed. His family loved him and his friends loved him. Who are YOU to tell them otherwise?
i don't understand how trini by asking a question is attacking the ex-wife....i was wondering the same thing myself....doesn't every woman want a kind loving,great father to have a family with,,,isn't it d american dream?
why give that up?
just curious!!!
well, 'just curious', you probably have a comprehension problem. having those things IS the American Dream. but kelly wasn't american. Most women who get married don't spend their weekends away from their husbands, supposedly with other men. They also hold their end of the household by having, at the very least, a part-time job, esp when they have older children to take care of. Why was she looking for a babysitter when 1) it would have been her husband's money to pay for it and 2) she should have spent her time at home caring for her daughter (who was in school FT as it was) and her husband.
you can be curious all you want though you're asking the wrong questions to the wrong people. ask kelly why she was she a useless opportunistic wife who didn't slow down once she got married. her poor husband was probably worrying himself sick(which may have resulted in his hospitalization) as to whose bed she was keeping warm while he was working and paying the bills. so sick of these gutter women who want everything, think they're everything, and scream "poor me" over their own evil deeds.
kelly was my neighbor and she always brought her daugter 2 my house 2 go in the pool we live in brooklyn so alot of things happen i always thought she waz a nice person and she was really close 2 my brother and she even invited him 2 partys and stuff so i dont know what 2 expext i was and stilll am very shocked~.
Here I am again, the ex-wife, I will continue to be strong, stand by the Forbes family until the day I die, I will continue to stay strong for my daughter, too bad Kelly will never again see the outside to stand by her daughter..As for you Trini,, hope our eyes or the air we breath ever meet, you and your family are the scum of the earth, bet Kelly would not have done a thing like this in your great country Trinidad, they would have taken her head off for murder. And to answer two of your questions, my daughter knew at her young age knew her fathers criminal background, he explained it all to her and only wanted to better with his life and he did, she strives to make him proud of her. As for why I let this good man go...I wish I never did let him go, he would be alive today. Kelly was use to dealing with "DOGS", that is why she spend all her time dealing with stupid men on MySpace, Yahoo, hi5 and all the other sites out there, she deserves the pit of hell for what she did, and you Trini, should be ashamed to say you are related, how come your not telling everyone out here that Kelly had herpes, or did you think we didn't know...ha ha. Watch out, never know who is watching you and yours...More of the truth will be revealed about Kelly Chadee and the entire family....Remember this, and it comes straight from the Bible (if you know what that is) "Vengence is mine said the Lord, "I" will repay." Talk what you know Trini and not from your hemroids, because you know NOTHING about Michael Forbes.
kelly......is my friend and is in all her right to do what she needs to do to see her daughter kadishia
you >>>ex wife
Your right, a family or mother should protech their children from harm, that is why the Forbes family will continue to support and protect Michael's family. Sending Kadishia to Trinidad does not help Kelly, what so ever, sending her away only seems like the girl knows something and doesn't want her to speak a word of the events leading up to "The Cold Blooded Murder"...
ex-wife
How can U quote the bible and turn around and say the things that U say. You should be ashamed because U are a mother. It seems as if U condemn the Chadee family for the crime that was SUPPOSIDLY committted by Kelly. How would U like it if people were to do the same to UR daughter because of the crimes that her father committed. If Michael was a good father, that is great that is how it should be and not something that U should brag about. You should not be bragging about material things. "Only god can judge Kelly". The truth will be revealed in due time, IF she is guilty, she will have a price to pay. Here is another quote from the bible, "The sins of the parents will fall upon the child or other generations". The actions that you exemplify in life, follows you , good or bad-this is Karma. Focus on your child, she needs u now more than ever.
Kelly Chadee was the most loving, caring, giving person I have ever met. She would give you the clothes off her back if you needed it. She would take her last pennie and give it to you. I have know idea how someone can judge someone without even knowing them. Without even knowing the facts of what happened. I am not a racist in anyway, but if it was a white woman that killed her husband the stories on here would changed drastically. You guys make me want to puke. Here you all are judging Kelly's character when you know nothing about her. I'm pretty sure that for all of you that are not judging based on race that if you were to meet Kelly you would see all the good her heart has to offer. For the rest of you racist you could care less. All you want to do is see another person of color burn in hell. Like Kelly said, "Only God Can Judge Me".
TO THE BITCH THAT IS THE EX-WIFE....
"As for you Trini,, hope our eyes or the air we breath ever meet," Should I be concerned for my safety...lol...I think you should be the one hoping that we never meet!!!For someone who loves to quote the bible you dont seem to be following the good teaching of the lord so stop pretending and start acting like the stuck up BITCH that you truly are(I wont think any less of you cause right now you're not very high up on my ratings)
I really wish you had keep your precious Michael to yourself then i would have been your ass that he attacked and you daughter would have been with out a mother and not Kelly's but unfortunately YOUR BELOVED MICHAEL seems to have preferred women young and better lookin than you were so i guess you couldn't keep him if you tried!!!
About this whole herpes thing not that it bears any relevance to the case but how do you she had it anyway..did she give it to you?!!!
Or is it that you were so accustom to getting it from Michael that you assume she would have gotten it from him too...or better yet when Michael gave you that pity fuck he got it from you and then gave it to her...after all you had to be giving up something so your daughter cuold get her coach bags and shoes etc.!!!!
You think my family is scum because we're related to Kelly and should committed a crime that is yet to be proven but what does that say for you and your precious horse-back riding daughter....if that's what make you scum then you are worse off and bigger scum then i'll ever be because Michael was a convicted felon,so say all the prayers you can honey cuz god don't like ugly!!!
In the ned the truth will come out and then everyone would know how wonderful a person Kelly was and what a terrible one Michael was!!!!
By the way if Michael was so comfortable with telling his very young daughter that he's a convicted rapist...why do you think he failed to mention this to his new wife..huh?
He should have but then he wouldn't have had the woman that HE wanted!!!
Hope we really never meet cuz you would want to mess with us trinis...we protect our own!!!
So, hope your keeping up on the story trini, don't look so good for your trinis right about now, I mean after all her internet boyfriend told all...ha ha ha
Hi Kelly, what goes around comes around, and I waiting to meet you. I know you like it hot, can't get it no hotter than me....see you real soon
hope your keeping up on the story cuz it's starting to look really good from my stand point... internet boyfriend and all....don't believe everything you read in the news...they exaggerate...
Guilty!
One child can grieve and move on and another loses a mother. A huge waste all around.
Guilty, so long Kelly.
GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY....well Trini, glad you were keeping up on the story guess you never really and never will know Kelly. My daughter can grieve, move on, walk with her head up high and be proud of who her father really was, a successful businessman. I do feel sorry for Kelly's daughter, she never had a real father, and now no mother. See when people like Kelly go out for greed, children are the effected ones. Let's see how they explain to Kadisha why she won't be seeing her for 25 years. Let's do the math, see, if Kadisha is 9 now, let her know mommy will be coming home when she is "34" years old if not older....Stupid, stupid woman, and our daughter gets it all.....Bye, Bye Kelly, and guess what, the next man you meet, his name is Satan, try having an affair on him....cause in my world "God Is Good All the Time", my former pastor said to me, "Storms Don't Last Always"..he's right the sun just came out and I praise him...
YES!!!!!
Justice has been served
God bless the Forbes family and all those who loved him
I would personally like to thank all who supported the Forbes Family. Your prayers, support, and kind words to Michaels mother and father has not gone unnoticed. Michael would have been proud to know how many true friends he really had.
We all have the great memories of Michael Forbes and what he really stood for a great businessman, a great listner, a great talker and most of all a great man. We can all keep his memories alive by remembering his jokes and advise he gave to us all.
You prayed, and God heard our prayers, right now Michael is in the "penthouse" hanging at the gate waiting for us, waiting to show us around, and give us the guided tour.
Let's all walk with our "Heads Up", and be proud that we knew him, because that is what he would have wanted us to do...
To all of u celebrating . U try to imagine a man attacking u also trying to kill u,while your daughter is asleep in another room. What would you do defend yourself so he don't get to your child or better yet to both of you.I believe this was self defense, look at his criminal record. She was going to leave him the next day after the fight. So he didn't want her to leave.
She did it in self defense.
If things were so bad she should have stayed with her "Lover" and never went back or when she kicked him in the groin, run out of the house screaming bloody murder, bang on neighbors doors, or better yet call 911 instead of her boyfriend, father, brother and God knows who else...But never the less, she is where she should be that self-defense game doesn't work for everyone....you can't say she is not guilty, cause 12 jurors said she was and that's that
Only God Can Judge me, ha ha that was a song by Tupac...where is he now? And where is kelly going? Prison for breaking Gods first commandment.
"Thou Shall Not Kill"
I am so glad that the truth is finally known. We will miss Michael because he was a very loving and special person. I had looked forward to having more personal conversations with my cousin.
We, as a family were robbed of having more time with Michael.
After reading some of the vicious comments from Trini's family, it became apparent to me and others that we were right to questioned what kind of family Trini comes from. You sound so full of hate, even though Michael is dead, gone for ever, and Trini is still alive!
You seem to have no natural love or concern for anyone except yourselves. It is clear that you guys do stick together, right or wrong.
I hope 25 years is really 25 years without the possiblity of parole.
Let justice be served!
Patricia
Melissa, you sound like a very stupid person. Timothy makes good sound points but you on the other hand just sound plain stupid to me. Why don't you learn something. Perhaps someone in your famil will be killed by someone like this woman then you can defend them. Grow up and stop being so stupid.
Melissa
Just one more thought Melissa the way you talk about rape and harpe on it, you sound sexually frustrated honey.He may have had a record so what? As a womaqn and Knowing that Rape can also be a charge if a man has sex with a female under the age of 18. I have seen some 17 1/2 year olds who look 27 and if a man has sex with them they can be charged with rape, so how do you know what his rape charge was? how do you know what kind of robbery it was? did he hold someone up are took some money from a job, don't judge unless you know, you just make your self look and sound stupid. Besides he served his time and did not deserve to be killed and she should be punished for what she has done. Let it go, get laid and get over it.
lisen everyone I looked up this guys prison record which by the way included`rape and robbery so how nice`could he be!!!!!!!!!!!!
Listen Kim, we all knew he had a prison record, 27 years ago, it even said it in the newspapers, some people can reform.
Okay, fact is I went to High School with Kelly in a relatively small secondary school. I can say this much: She was never a violent one. People can change just as Michael could have changed from his conviction. Anything and everything we say are mere assumptions. Only Michael and Kelly know what happened that night. All we can do is pray that what is in the dark will come to light.
Okay, fact is Ele that you ent to High School with Kelly, how many years ago was that? Kelly will have 25 years without parole to change from her conviction and her sweet daughter will be about 34 when she gets out. Its obvious that the the dark came to light when the jury convicted her "GUILTY".
No other comments regarding this case? What happened, this girls fairy tale fell through..sure hope she likes "orange" because that's the color she will be wearing...
im visitn kelly nexx month..Dats my Home girl..n Im glad to see SoMe people use their brain before commenting about someone who they dont know from a whole in the wall. BoTh i and kelly attended the Allen School,,,we were both Top Of Our class..but we became better friends after we graduated. I respect her and i hope her daughter is now in good hands,cause i remember my girl kelly always making sure her daughter was straight[{had wat she needed to all the Suburbans reading this}]...If Any one else reading this actually knows kelly and is not just acting like csi or doct.phil analyzin this story ...please write about the kelly know one knows but loves to hate]]]...Only god can judge her and i pray 4 kelly everyday...always...
That is the Kelly you use to know, people change, and its quite obvious this girl changed. Too bad she didn't use her brains when she decided to commit "murder" and make up that story. No way, she did this by herself and she needs to tell the truth and stop covering up for others. Yes god will judge her, and trust me she is not going to a good place...God is the only one who gives life and takes life away...do yourself and tell your friend to stop using "Only God can judge me", that was a song by Tupac---the next line goes "and Ima' gonna kill a nigga". So you guys need to do a little research before using Gods' name in any other way....You can visit her on Aug 18 when she gets sentenced to 25 yrs with no parole...should be a really nice visit on that day....enjoy
I honestly don't believe that calling names is doing any one of y'all any good right now. Fact is, things already went down the way they did. While i grew up with Kelly i'm not gonna defend what she did. I am gonna say however that the Kelly i knew would never do this just like that. MAYBE and i stress on maybe...whatever happened in that house was really extreme and she felt like she had to. Maybe not. At the end of the day though it's really God that has the finally say in what will become of Kelly.
What we fail to realize too is that her family is hurting also. Even though kelly is still alive life would never be the same for them either. I feel it most for the children hurt in all this.
Let's not fight ppl but let's act like adults and do our part to make sure the children grow up not too scarred by all this. Maybe it's already too late but it's worth a try anyway. My condolences to Michael's family
*final say...sorry
Sorry will never bring my father back, ever..
She got 21 years, will probably be eligible for parole in 14.
Hey dd, you should have been there to hear the sentencing....IT WAS 21 YEARS, SHE WILL BE DEPORTED, FIVE YEARS IN A HALFWAY HOUSE, AND JUST IN CASE YOUR NOT FAMILAR WITH "LAW", PAROLE DOESN'T COME LIKE THAT, MICHAELS FAMILY WILL BE CONTACTED BEFORE SHE IS ELIGIBLE FOR PAROLE, AND WITH THEIR SUPPORT, IT LOOKS REAL SLIM FOR HER TO MAKE PAROLE....GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU GUYS BLOG.....SHE WILL BE A BROKE DOWN KELLY AT 51 YRS OLD
Hey, WRONG AGAIN, I said "probably", and I based that on my personal knowledge. I know what seems to be too many families of victims and have seen what they have to go through to try and keep the killer of their loved one in jail after only serving a little more than half of their sentence (that is a FACT). In case your math skills are as bad as your reading comprehension, 2/3 is a bit more than half. The victim's family has to start early to get community support and make their objection to release known. If your poor, murderous Kelly stays in jail for the full 21 years, it will be her own fault (just like getting in there was her own fault). I wish Michael's family every success in preventing parole for her whole term.
The real FACT is that she is in jail for a very long time. Unless you were at the sentencing, you have no idea what was said. As you said based on your "personal knowledge", guess you have a criminal background and can guess every case history. Nevertheless, Kelly Chadee is history. Getting ready to face another Judge and trust me the one that sentenced her on earth has given her a break, the next Judge will decide where her soul rests and she has not painted a good picture of herself to him...May she burn in the pits and yes, Michaels family will be very successful in seeing to it she serves every single day of the 21 yr + sentence...they are "Blessed and Highly Favored People". The End
No I did not attend the sentencing for this case, I never said I did, and I never said I know exactly what is going to happen. I will try again to spell it out for you...again. I know victims and what they have gone through and I have seen them have to deal the the murderer of their child being set free several years before reaching the term they were given at their sentencing. You do not need to attend every sentence hearing to know that with good behavior, felons are commonly released after serving two thirds of their sentence. Why do you think judges often give multiple life terms or sentences over 100 years? It's because they know down the road there will still be a chance that these dregs of society may get set free. In the penal system, 21 does not equal 21...something you may have to see for yourself in 13 years or so to know what I am talking about.
dd, my father was a good man no matter what everyone read or what people who "think" they knew him. To constantly write about how much time Kelly will do is useless, nothing will bring my father back to me. I pray every night that my father haunts her when she sleeps, or someone in the prison she is at, gets her..no matter what, if she serves 10 years, 13 years or 21 years, prison does something to a person, where they never come home the same way they left...she is a monster and will look like one when ever/IF she gets out....SO....
Faithful daughter, I guess you speak from experence that a person never comes home the same way from prison. Did your father go into prison an animal and come out a saint? How do you know the same won't happen to Kelly? How do you know that she won't be the same upstanding kind of citizen your convicted rapist father was when he got out? Did your fathers victim have to show up to try to keep him in jail for his whole sentance?
sounds to me like you all deserve each other
damn! melissa sure seems to be running over the same old ground, i'll agree with y'all there, but i understand why she is; regardless of kelly's incarceration situation, there are many women out there who are abused and left without voice or support. she's just thinking of the underdog.
there are actually cases in which boyfriends/girlfriends do not exhibit abusive qualities--mine only ever gave one indication of being abusive: we argued so violently over a mother's right to retain furniture and belongings paid for by the father in the event of a divorce...even if the mother took the children and had been a housewife that he had to pull into a parking lot to continue the argument. explosive guy!--until cohabitation or marriage. there are people out there who just change after there's that ring: OWNERSHIP, PROPERTY and ETERNITY can really boost an abusive conscience.
i actually was not abused until i moved in with my ex; the second day i lived with him i was treated like an object. when the following week i wrote him a letter while he was at work requesting that we break up he countered with the argument that since i had been sexually abused i was obsessed and psychotic and should recognize that sex is not a big part of a healthy relationship. (well, going from having sex all the time when dating to none at all after the first day i moved in...odd.) he asserted that i was too sexually charged to be healthy.
the next week i was packing when he came home and i ended up staying for four years because he told me that no one loved me enough to help me leave and that he had all the love and money i would ever need. i gave up on everything; i had thought my lifetime of psychological and sexual abuse over, that it'd given way to a situation that would allow me to breathe.
i think that condemning rapists to castration or the death penalty is a good idea; very few of the men who raped me aren't repeat offenders. i went to a deaf college and now understand that i had a reputation as easy; the guys who raped me didn't want to be called on it so they told other guys i'd hump anything that had a third leg. as a result, when i said no, each subsequent college acquaintance interested assumed himself the only one i rejected...and raped me.
i tried to commit suicide several times and spent years of my life in bed with a knife. rape DOES feel like a living death; such violation destroys many women for some time. my case is one of the more extreme.
as a daughter i will say that although my father incested me i loved him terribly. no matter how i wanted to stay as far away from him as possible i truly loved the man because he was my father.
now, was kelly in the wrong? well, gee, probably. however, daddy's little girl and ex-wife are living in a dream world; that guy was a far cry from perfect. charmers are great at what they do! my father's death was mourned by hundreds of people. he had been hysterically funny, up for a good time, personable and gregarious.
faithful daughter! you knew your father in a different way than kelly; you didn't have sex with him. your relationship was vastly different than the one he had with the woman (women?) he raped, the people he robbed and the person he tried to murder. yours is not and never will be the only perception of your father...or kelly.
you shouldn't be grieving by visiting this site; it's guaranteed to f^ck you up and no one else is interested in your opinion; they're not looking at this through the eyes of the man's child.
i second kim. reading all these comments actually left me so depressed that i spent my time at teacher's college and walking back down to the upper west side pondering my own experiences and that of everyone flinging sh!t at each other.
what i need to add to kim's astoundingly astute observation is this: if michael was such a successful businessman, what the hell was he doing married to you, "ex"? your grammar, logic, slander (yeah, you're badmouthing god by being a "good" christian, satan and kelly) and lack--dearth!--of intelligence leave me dubious as to his character; anyone who married such a dumb, devout christian couldn't possibly close a good deal and walk away with millions.
except--oh, yeah! lots of idiots have money.
*those, not that, of everyone flinging sh!t....
If someone is grieving by visiting this site, it must be melissa, kim,dd,trini, efs, etc... This is a story of why people born and bread in America, feel that foreigners should stay in their native country and commit the crimes they do in their country. What do you think would have happened to Kelly if she did this crime in Trinidad....Let it end here, he's dead and she is paying her price in "Betty's House", aka: Bedford Hills.
If any of Kelly's friends or relatives go visit her, can you do me a "BIG" favor, give her a copy of my letter? I would really appreciate it.
I saw what you did on Nov. 21, 2007, as you began your daily chores.
You awoke without kneeling to pray. As a matter of fact,
you didn't even bless your meals, or pray before going to bed the night before that date. You are so unthankful. I like that about you.
I cannot tell you how glad I am that you have not changed your way of living. Fool! You are mine. Remember, you and I have been going steady for years, and I still don't love you yet.
As a matter of fact, I hate you, because I hate God. I am only
using you to get even with God. He kicked me out of heaven,
and I'm going to use you as long as possible to pay him back.
You see, Fool, I have great plans
in store for you, even while your sitting in prison. I even know that Nov. 26, is your Birthday and guess what, I have a suprise waiting for you tomarrow. But you have yielded your life to me and I'm
going to make your life a living hell. That way we'll be together twice.
This will really hurt God. Thanks to you. I'm really showing Him who's
boss in your life. With all of the good times we've had.....
We have been watching dirty movies, cursing people out,
partying, stealing, lying hypocriting, fornicating, overeating,
telling dirty jokes, gossiping, backstabbing people,
disrespecting adults and those in leadership position, putting that electrical cord around Michael's neck, boy that was a good one!
SURELY you don't want to give all this up.
Come on, Fool, let's burn together forever. I've got some
hot plans for us. This is just a letter of appreciation from me
to you. I'd like to say "THANKS" for letting me use you for
most of your foolish life. You are so gullible. I laugh at you.
When you are tempted to sin, you give in. HA HA HA
You make me sick.
Sin is beginning to take its toll on your life. Your gonna look 20 years older in no time at all. I need new blood. So go ahead and teach some children, perhaps your daughter, how to sin. All you use to do is smoke,
drink alcoholic beverages, cheat, gamble, gossip, fornicate,
and listen to and dance to the top 10 jams. I had my eye on you, even then.
Well, Fool, I have to let you go for now. I'll be back in a couple of
seconds to tempt you again. And let me remind you and your friends, writing evil things and wishing bad to this mans family; I got a hold on them too, they are doing exactly what I want them to do...
It's not my nature to warn anyone, but to be your age and still
sinning, it's becoming a bit ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, I still hate you......
P.S. - Keep looking over your shoulder, Im right there, waiting for you and I'm not bad looking either....Your friend til the end! SATAN
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Um...Ok
i'm not grieving *laugh* i'm just explaining that it isn't as simple as it seems on the outside. i felt like standing up for all the DV/SV survivors out there. whatever happened happened.
um...ok. seriously, don't be mad, if you wrote that letter--there's no future for you in any mainstream publication.
whee for inanity.
OCTOBER 10 - HAPPY BIRTHDAY MICHAEL, YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY MISS YOU DEEPLY. YOUR MEMORIES AND SPIRIT ARE WITH US ALWAYS...
One year ago today, Kelly took you away from us. Words cannot express how deeply we miss you...Continue to watch over each and everyone of us. We love you and your spirit lives within all of us. Rest in Peace...
As it says in the Bible..
"Vengence is mine said the Lord, "I" will repay.
Kelly and her family still has something coming to them...all his friends and family have to do is sit back and be patient, God has a plan for her....
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