Was the husband home at the time? Or did he come home, and find his wife? I'm trying to understand who was in the house, and who was there when the police arrived.
Gawd, if I have to read about one more child murdering their parent, I'll scream.
Seems like a bunch of cold hearted, self obsessed, intolerant, evil, psychopaths with no morals and don't give a damn about what is right and wrong.
It says without her boyfriend she has no reason to live: Well I hope the state helps you out a little bit and executes your sorry ass.
Oh, but the supreme court doesn't allow us to execute minors, no matter how EVIL they are.
I hope they rot in jail and never seen the light of day again.
I am certain you guys already have this, but the name "Samael" is related to a demon who was like an Angel of Death. Here is what wikipedia has to say about it:
"Samael (also Sammael) is an important archangel in Talmudic and post-Talmudic lore, a figure who is accuser, seducer, and destroyer. He has been regarded as both good and evil. In rabbinic lore he is identified as the chief of Satans and the Angel of death. In the Secrets of Enoch (Enoch II) he is a prince of demons and a magician. He was a guardian angel of Esau and a patron of the sinful empire of Rome. Samael is usually considered to be the true angelic name of Satan. The etymology of his name is sometimes thought to be a combination of "sam," and in some combinations 'poison', and "el," meaning 'God'; thus he is the poison of God."
For someone who was upset by Christianity, it sort of seems funny to be using a name associated with extreme evil. How do you conceive of evil without conceiving of good...or vice versa for that matter?
17, possibly sociopathic, bright, but no real grasp of what she was talking about. Makes perfect, sick sense to me, Reannan. A dislike of Christianity does not equal an atheist. The embracing of one of the Devil's names just indicates she had a streak of the wannabe Satanist in her, but the truth was, she didn't have any better than a shallow understanding of any of that stuff.
Weird, but consistent.
I wonder who will deal in this MySpace info next...
Maybe TV-station WFMY?
wfmy-lclnscvi.wfmy.com
IP Address: 12.145.67.107
Country: United States
Region: North Carolina
City: Greensboro
ISP: Wfmy Gannett
I wonder if they'll be honest like the Detroit stations in another case and acknowledge this post.
Yeah, she was agnostic about God (didn't know whether he existed or not) but was pretty hip to Satan. How do you have Satan without God??LOL This is why teens drive me crazy.
Davidson county is not far from where I live. The local news stations here are not very good at investigative reporting. You have to watch Charlotte channels for that.
Apparently she was an honor roll student, a couple of pics of the house and alleged killer here but not much info (as usual) http://tinyurl.com/ywn364
Steve said: "The embracing of one of the Devil's names just indicates she had a streak of the wannabe Satanist in her, but the truth was, she didn't have any better than a shallow understanding of any of that stuff."
Exactly. They have no clue what they are dabbling in. It's actually such a boring pattern. Teen feels like outcast. Noone understands him/her. They decide to go to the extreme of strange and wierd to somehow payback all of those who don't understand them by getting involved in the occult, dressing in black, thinking anything bloody and gorey is super cool, ect., when in reality they probably just wanted to be accepted by the cheerleaders. They "think" they are taking control, yet end-up more depressed, outcast, and miserable. The narcissism of these types of teens is extremely disturbing, yet sooooo not shocking.
Amen, Emerson! Well said.
T, thanks for the link. There is one bit of info... the girl had recently run away with her boyfriend.
"when in reality they probably just wanted to be accepted by the cheerleaders."
LOL,Emerson, funny yet true.
Emerson wrote:
"The narcissism of these types of teens is extremely disturbing, yet sooooo not shocking."
Not to mention the insecurities... It seems with many of these types that self involvement is merely a coping mechanism to deal with ineptness.
argh another one. lock her up with Jasmine Richardson.
Yuck, right in my backyard. I grew up in Greensboro and live in Charlotte now after being away for many years. WFMY is a small town news station, the same news reader is there as when I was in high school (Sandra).
I agree with you Emerson, if it wasn't so tragic it would be comical, how predictable these kids are...
Joe Coleman, this kid was a cold hearted freak in school, and is to no surprise what he did. I remember he would "force" me into making him cd's. Funny thing is this so called Metal head did have a variety of Backstreet Boys and N'Sync songs on his list, for his "dance" class he taught. This kid told me so many lies back in high school...one being about how he tried going to church but when the bible touched his hand it went up in flames. I really do hope he doesn't see the outside of the prison for along time, because he does not deserve it. Once again, no surprise that Joe Coleman would do something like this.
Okay so I swear..
for one this girl..
you don't even know her
she is probably one of the nicest and funniest people in my senior class.
she is an honor student and super smart
not judgemental at all
you nor i was there that night at her house so don't jump to conclusions
you don't know what happened
even though things seem the way they are, nobody really knows
None of you really know this girl she is a very bright girl. I do believe that she did not commit this crime how ever I do believe her boyfriend did. I believe that you all just like to sit around reading of the news which people think is "always right" well I have news for all of you its not this poor girl is a victim of a crime she did not commit
Time will tell, Alison and Annia...
As part of Andrea's family, and a fellow graduate of Joe, I would like to give my input on the situation. First goes Andrea. At the time of the murder, it was her, Joe, and her mother (who may i say was one of the sweetest, and selfless people i have ever met in my life)who were at the house. Her father came home about 20 minutes after the estimated time of death. Growing up, Andrea was one of the smartest kids that i know, i always thought that Andrea was a little off, and wierd, but i would never have deemed her capable of murder. She was always rambling about some random resident evil video game or something of equal sort. She usually kept to herself, even when there were several people around. Even though I grew up with her, i still cant help but to have resentment towards her for what she did. In response to the comment previous to mine, it doesnt matter the circumstance, that was her mother, and she killed her in cold blood. Andrea was a sweet girl, but also very impressionable, which I feel led to the situation at hand. Her family didnt like Joe, and i knew why. I tried to warn about him, going to high school with him enlightened about his wierdness. I had a class or two with him, and he always knew the right things to say to make my skin crawl. He was always telling some sort of off the wall lie about being a chef in France or how he spoke to the Devil. I have heard of peer pressure, but damn.
Things don't "seem" the way they are. She was home and her mother was stabbed to death. Those are facts. I'm sure there are plenty of people at school who are very nice, funny, and super smart. That has nothing to do with whether or not a crime was committed. Michael Vick was the star of the Atlanta Falcons and the face of the franchise, nice and charming, incredible prowess and athleticism. He just started serving his sentence today for felony dogfighting, cruelty to animals, etc... You can be the nicest person in the world but still be guilty of heinous crimes. Sure, no one knows what specifically took place but what is known is somebody ended up dead. That's not something you can just shrug off.
No one seems to mention the other things on her myspace just the things to make her sound like a killer here is the full list of the music, movies, and tv shows she liked
Music I have recently gotten into industrial techno, and I can't seem to get enough. Like I had listed before, I like Hocico, Punto Omega, Dulce Liquido, Tactical Sekt, Grendel, God Module, Psyclon Nine, Suicide Commando, and Amduscia. I really need to invest in some of their CDs. I also like metal, though I'm beginning to not listen to it much. My favorite metal band is still Dimmu Borgir. Regular techno, electronica, rock, and some rap are okay with me too.
Movies Um, Queen of the Damned (for personal reasons), Finding Nemo (for personal reasons), Resident Evil Apocalypse (for personal reasons), Phantom of the Opera, Don't Be A Menace To South Central While Drinking Your Juice In The Hood (classic), Airplane(the tower, the tower, Rapunzel, Rapunzel!!!). I've got a lot of favorite movies ^_^.
Television My favorite t.v. shows have to be Metalocalypse and Scarred. I am a blood and gore fanatic! Other than that, though, I like almost all professional wrestling shows (so violent, so fake), as well as Street Fighter II the anime, Trinity Blood, and a little Tokko now and then (when I actually remember that Ani-Monday is on Scifi at 11:00).
If your going to use something you don't need to cut it down you need the whole truth about her
I know this girl personally, she was a VERY good friend of mine I think most of the people that have posted above are festering pieces of shit. You have no idea who she is or what she knows,loves or her personality. She is very caring and quiet, I was STUNNED to hear about this and I know for a fact that 90% of whats on her myspace is just there to freak out people that come looking for a prissy little teenage skank like most of the girls I know around our age. So stop, listen and get all the facts straight before you go raving about her being crazy, physco, or any other derogatory terms.
This is a terrible tragedy for a very nice family.
http://www.wxii12.com/news/14642...539/
detail.html
Here's a video (click on player on page) of the first court appearance. Some of the victim's family members spoke to the reporter. It's worth watching.
Ok, for all you people that say you knew andrea...good for you, you know a seriously fucked up person. If she is innocent, it will be because she has a major mental disfunction. No one stands there while their mother is brutally stabbed in front of them. What makes it more obvious that she is guilty is the fact that she tried to clean it up while they waited for her father to get home. My parents work with him and see him almost every day. He said that he had to run away from his daughter to the neighbor's house. His daughter. Although I don't think this would have happened were she not with joe, she made a choice and she deserves to be punished for it. And just imagine what her father, Richard, is going through right now.
Chris Wright - Her own FAMILY says she did it. And why. And its not to do with MySpace. Its about teenage angst (again) and picking her boyfriend over everything and everybody in her life.
Its a shame too, because chances are she would have moved on once she went to college and out of her own small mind and world.
Thank you Melissa. Chris, maybe you should listen to her brother talk about this tragedy - or does her family not know her as well as you do?
It's the same old story as Charlie Starkweather & Caril Fugate. "Your folks are in the way of our love: let's kill 'em."
In between the teens posting on this and the Alex Mullins entry, I'm about teen angsted out. Dr. Drew Pinsky was right: Narcissism IS the defining plauge of the 21st century.
John, actually I was talking about her brother, and the statement he made. Did you misread?
Oops, sorry John. Apparently it was me that didnt read.
Nancy, it was the plague of the late 20th as well.
I am REALLY sick and tired of these kids claiming that someone was a "good person" and "couldn't have done this." When will you teens wake the hell up????
BTW, I love how she placed her hand on a bible she doesn't believe in. (major eyeroll) God Bless the rest of her family......who needs the blessing.
I went to school with Andrea and Joe....Andrea was always one of those kids I guess u can call Strange but I would have never thought of her killing the one person who she should have cared for more than anyone in the world....but when I heard that they are giving her life in prison I guess she got what she needed....... and about joe well there's not to much to say there I mean "HE WAS THE WRONG GUY FOR HER"
As a teen, I am really amazed that you adults have it all figured out. I wish you would share it with me. In a soceity like today when teens face things that are far more different than past generations, we handle them differently. We are finding ourselves and learning about people. Another thing we deal with all the time is judgement. Judgement just like you are all passing on Andrea.I have attended school with her for seven years and she was in three of my classes. I do not believe it is fair for anyone to judge her from this one act or at all for that matter. She will have enough to deal with, and your ignorant and judgemental comments make no difference. Furthermore, I am flattered that you adults find the time to post comments about teens and how self centered we are. I am glad you find the time. Maybe that adds to the narcissism.
jk, as you will learn one day, its because we WERE teenaged once and once thought that the little world around us was the real one.
Adults don't have it all figured out, not by any means, none of us do, but what we DO know, is that your feelings and your convictions WILL change.
You don't think its fair to judge someone for stabbing their mother? You dismiss it as one act.
And by the way, you don't have it ANY different than we did.
"I do not believe it is fair for anyone to judge her from this one act" jk
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What the hell? Someone was killed...that's not judging. That's stating the facts. Sure, people make mistakes when they're growing up. No one would deny that. But this is a little bit more than a mistake. This isn't something that happens in ordinary families. Quit trying to make excuses. Deal with the reality.
I've known of this girl since my freshman year at Central Davidson. And honestly, this doesn't exactly surprise me.
I can remember one day she was at morning break, she was there while she was showing off a drawing, that she drew of the devil screwing an angel and stuff. And this was this school year.
The girl was pretty strange, in my opinion.
And it was today, when many of her close friends have told people that she openly admitted to committing suicide several times in the past.
jk, what would you define as the correct response from the community towards someone who has just murdered the woman who gave her life, and who apparently tried to help her daughter when she was veering down a dangerous and unsavory path? Should we create a new medal of honor for Andrea and Joe? Should be wrap her in a blanket and gently take her to a room where she can "tell her side of the story" (and of course - we would stupidly, blindly believe everything she said)? I have faith in our justice system, which will determine from the facts and the evidence what the correct punishment should be. In the interim, you can just get accustomed to people being appalled and disgusted with what Andrea and Joe have done. You can also start lookiing nervously over your shoulder because time is breathing down your own neck, and in the very near future you will be one of two things: 1) an adult who has grown and learned from this experience, and developed skills to see beneath the mask of superficial and constantly changing teenage behavior; or 2) an adult who becomes perpetually enslaved in the quagmire of delusional acceptance of anything that spews forth from the mouths of your friends as gospel. The second type of adult seems to be damned to make poor choices in relationships. These adults are easily manipulated, persistently disappointed, and dangerously unaware of the thin veil that shields their lives from chaos and ruin.
I didn't know her boyfriend, but I knew both Dee and her mom. Her mom was a wonderful and amazing person, and as far as it goes for Dee, she is a VERY lost and confused girl. Leave the judgement to God and pray for Dee and and Judy.
http://www.myfoxwghp.com/myfox/p...TY&
pageId=3.2.1
watch the videos
For all of you who know Andrea, and are convinced she is too good of a person to have done this, how do you explain her watching video games after her mother was killed and then laughing at her father when he cried out for help after discovering the body? Oh, and don't forget that Andrea and Jon then threatened the father with knives prior to him running from the house to the neighbors home. Perhaps you guys know her better than her father. 
Melissa, and Reannan, thanks for your posts. I don't think I could have attempted it, after the other thread.
oooh, I accidentally stabbed my mother to death. Oops.
Ooh I accidentally stabbed my friend in the back while having a tarp handy and friends who will back me up..
Maybe we ARE different than your generation after all. I honestly dont remember a time where even disrespecting my mother was acceptable (if you did it, not me lol)
I made a mistake is I drove drunk, I made a mistake is I cut class, I made a mistake is I forgot to pay my electric and my power was turned off and I was late to work (yes getting older here with mistakes)
I have NEVER mistakenly STABBED my mom to death.
you kids need to keep a strong mind in knowing whats right and dont let anyone manipulate your thoughts into doing what you know is wrong .
This is so horribly unbelievable. I understand that Andrea is an exceptionally bright, gifted young lady, and somehow hooked up with this young man who has been troubled and actually aged out of the educational setting. Though i understand the intensity of the impact of love, this goes way beyond reality. I'm wondering about the dynamics of the family.. which in no way could justify the act.. but also interested in Andrea's involvement in drugs.
Ugh, why is this stuff happening practically in my backyard?
Just messed up. Messed up. And you know, I don't think there's any reason to talk down to teenagers in this thread. Just because you're lucky enough to have grown out of your problems and have moved on with your life doesn't demean the experiences of others. And I think it's total crap to say that everyone's exactly the same.
Wow that guy has three-strike loser written all over him.
She sure looks hot ... she coulda done lot better than a balding red dumb-arse ....
jk...many who come here are mothers and fathers who are disturbed by the horrors of the world, one's we can't always protect our children from. I for one feel the need to be aware of all these horrible things that go on in the world in an unrealistic and desperate attempt to shield my son from anything wrong that could come his way. It's not having a ton of time on my hands...it's being a cautious parent. I would certainly do as her mother did and try to keep people like Joe away from my child. She was merely doing what a mother does, and sadly she was killed for it. Maybe someday you'll have a child and understand.
Joseph was a brother to me, he taught me everything i know about magic the gathering, the card game
he was kicked out of my house for stealing from my mother's purse and my personal funds
he was a brother, now they want him dead
i'm sorry joe, andrea, i'm sorry too, you were a sister to me at CDHS, we'll miss u
I'm not going to say that Andrea didn't do it. I'm not going to say that I agree with it in any way or that it's alright. Because that's not what I think. It would never be okay or in any way 'right' to kill your mother. But personally knowing Andrea, this isn't her. There's things that are involved in this that is way deeper than anyone else knows. Things that only her and her mom knew... possibly Joe knew too? Why is every one bashing out on Andrea? Why isn't anyone saying anything about Joe? Joe is the one that did it. Sure, Andrea may have helped... Andrea may have done it herself but you should know that she has extremely low self-confidence and is very easily menipulated. She is very smart and intelligent... but her maturity level is that of a 12 year old. Anything Joe told her to do, she'd jump and do it. Joe could get her to do anything in the world for him. One of his close friends told me that the other week he was talking about how he wanted to kill Judy but he wouldn't do it himself, or by himself. He wanted to make Andrea help. He knew he could do it... he knew she'd follow him with anything. Anyone who knew him will tell you that if he could find a way into your life, he would make it to where you could never get him out. He always knew exactly what to say to get you to think or do things he wanted. What I want to know is why is Andrea getting the whole of the blame? Why doesn't anyone look into Joe? Joe was the crazy, demanding, controlling boyfriend that had everything to do with this. I admit, she is to be blamed for doing this. But I think he had more to do with it than her. As in an interview with the grandmother said, he had made threating statements to Judy in the past that made her want them to not be together.
I may be just another teenager who you think doesn't know a thing. I may be someone who you think is just taking up for a girl that she believes is in the most part innocent. You might think that I have no idea what I'm doing. But... who are you to judge? God himself (if he exists) is the only one that can judge anyone for any reason!
The myspace... just as Chris Wright said... "90% of whats on her myspace is just there to freak out people that come looking for a prissy little teenage skank like most of the girls I know around our age." She wasn't 'allowed' by Joe to talk to anyone. He was HIGHLY jealous of her. I know for a fact that on Halloween she wanted to wear a skirt to impress him... he made her go and change into pants because 'other guys would look'. Her myspace... as many, many teenagers do, was just giving in to the labeling that her peers gave her. Everyone says she's weird and demonic and psycho and crazy. Most of this assumption is based on this myspace page. Just because someone likes bloody movies doesn't mean they're gonna kill someone, or that they are even capable of killing someone. If anyone wants to know the real Andrea Maxwell they need to read the messages tha
As one who knows, and remembers, being 17, and having a boyfriend that was a lil older, and experienced, and always had condoms, and maybe was a lil wild, and crazy, and exciting, and well, I can understand how this keeps happening over & over.
Also, we expect our little girls to keep watch for a Prince Charming, and the one who's made her feel the best, is the Worst One of All, and you must protect her from him!
And yet, time after time, the Caril Fugates and the Kara Beth Bordens and the Andreas follow their Knights, for a while, into that cold, dark abyss, All For Love!
Ask any one of them!
But... who are you to judge? God himself (if he exists) is the only one that can judge anyone for any reason! - Angie
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That's not true. People get judged every day. If you walk into a job interview sloppily dressed you are judged. You're judged by the way you act, the company you keep, how you treat other people, how you handle situations.
No one is bashing Andrea. There just reacting to what happened just like any normal person would. You can't really blame them for being freaked out and/or a little disturbed.
Wow I just cant believe what some of you are saying. Mrs. Maxwells son is a good friend of mine in the Army and I would like to say we are all very concerned for him and his family I mean we deploy soon and whats that like to have that on your mind.. So maybe just a little consideration.
"Why is every one bashing out on Andrea? Why isn't anyone saying anything about Joe? Joe is the one that did it. Sure, Andrea may have helped"
She KILLED the WOMAN WHO GAVE HER LIFE. IMO, she's far more evil than he is, for killing her own mother.
"But... who are you to judge? God himself (if he exists) is the only one that can judge anyone for any reason! "
Bullshit. IF you picked up a Bible, and read it, you'd see that judging IS a responsibility of people. God judges one's heart, PEOPLE judge one's actions. That's why we have a justice system.
. . . lucky enough to have grown out of your problems . . . .
Not quite, Peach. As an adult I have adult-sized problems.
Al
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Al ias Always In Flyover Country
i knew judy well. she was one of my mothers best friends. i go to school at the same place d and joe went. joe had a large pull on her and she wasn't the way she is now before she met him. her parents have constantly been trying to break the couple up since they've been together.
and judy would want me and everyone else to forgive her. i'm not sure if i can but i guess i'm gonna try. judy wouldn't want her daughter put to death.
"when in reality they probably just wanted to be accepted by the cheerleaders."
that has nothing to do with anything.
Dan, and everyone else who keeps admonishing people who post here. Firstly, it is true, none of know Andrea or her family. But on the other hand, you don't know any of us. You all keep saying not to judge Andrea and what a great person she is. Well hello, you're sitting there judging me when you don't know the first thing about me.
And secondly, I understand why you would feel anger...I would too if I were in your situation. But the bottom line is there are only two people to blame here...Joe and Andrea. End of story.
Andrea didn't try to please or connect with a specific clique, such as the "cheerleaders" or any others mentioned. Judy was one of the sweetest people I've known and it almost makes me sick to even think about this tragedy. I've known Andrea since the 2nd grade and I'm in 2 out of 4 classes with her at Central Davidson, both of which I sit beside her. I am still in shock and I'm not sure I'll ever be able to accept what has happened. As of now, I'm just praying that the trial reveals her innocence, although I know this is unlikely.
R.I.P. J.M.
a friend - She wont be put to death. Its agaisnt the law to sentence someone under 18 to death.
I just want to put out the real reason Andrea changed so drastically about 2 years ago.I have come across information that suggests she got pushed into following Joe by her mothers lack of concern and/or compassion at Andrea coming to her about her uncle Gene sexually molesting and even raping her on one occasion. Her mother told her to drop it and try to forget about it. This I believe is what pushed her out of her honor roll life into the dark sadistic world of Joe! i came across more facts , after researching her uncle, that Andrea was no where near the first victim of Gene.His abuse of little girls dates back to him actually raping his own sisters! He progressed into beating his ex wives and raping his own daughters. This man has scared these women and girls into not pressing charges or even complaing to anyone except to each other. This man is the true murderer of his sister Judy! Andrea was just the weapon he created to do it!
A concerned friend... Where the hell did you get your "information" from?? And how did you do "further research" on him to get your "facts"?
Angie, I suggest to you that you tell Joe's 'close friend' to tell the information he told you (and others) to the police. I *think* knowing that information and being told it firsthand and not repeating it to an officer could be considered withholding evidence.
I would also like to add that yes, maybe Andrea was pressured into assisting with or committing the murder by Joe, but there is no doubt that she (and her boyfriend) are sick individuals. Human beings have a conscience - a sense of right and wrong - unless they are sociopathic, and she could have said no or reported his ass before ending her mother's life.
I don't understand how all of you supporting Andrea can blindly follow this girl because you were friends/classmates. She committed murder. She didn't just graffiti a wall downtown, she KILLED HER MOTHER.
To "a concerned friend," I also suggest you take your information, if it has any significant basis, to a police officer. On a personal note, I think you're full of shit. :]
To "a concerned friend" and everyone else that is looking at this site, I am the Step-daughter of Gene, "the uncle that supposedly molested Andrea" and I must say this: I have lived with my mother and step father since I was about 9 years old, and I am 20 now, and he has never laid a finger on me. I think if he were going to molest someone it would probably be me, considering he was around me every single day, and it would be much easier for him to get to me. I agree with several of the other post above, stop trying to make excuses for her. She MURDERED HER MOTHER. Period, no excuses, who cares if Joe pressured her, she should have been smart enough to say no. Whoever posted that about Gene doesnt realize the harm they could cause by posting something like that. Accusations such as those can be devestating to a family ESPECIALLY if they are not true. My step father can be called a lot of things, but a rapist or a molestor is not among the names I would use to describe him. (And I think I would know)
To A concerned friend ( we have a good idea who you are ) shame on you for using a tragidy like this for your spite work, Dont you think that this family has been thru enough, did you evn think about the seriousness or possible consequinces of your accusations, Did you think of Andreas father dont you think he has been thru enough, do you have a clue as to what a statement or gossip like this that got back to him would do to him or his family DO YOU CARE I suggest you get some counselling yourself before you murder someone. I cant Image what Gene could have done to you to make you hate him so but you need to find other ways to vent TRY FACING HIM, GET A CONSCIOUS , OR GET A CLUE , EITHER WAY ,LEAVE HIM AND HIS FAMILY ALONE THIS FAMILY HAS BEEN THRU ENOUGH
I can't beleive some of the comments from the teens that went to school with Andrea. I don't care if she was a good person, smart or whatever. She murdered her mom. I am not that far from being a teen myself. It was only a few years ago that I graduated from Central Davidson. I know and still remember all of the peer pressure from being a teen. Now I have 2 children of my own. You know what is right and wrong and I would hope that if you are going to have respect for anyone, it would be your mom and dad. You guys don't know how lucky that you are that her or Joe did not come in and shoot up the school as it is so commonly happening this day and time. If she could kill her mom, she could have came to school in a psychotic rage and have killed any of you that claim to be her friend. I am not judging anyone. A fact is a fact and if you kill someone in a situation other that self defense you deserve to be punished. Any of you that think it was okay for her to kill her mom because she was a "nice girl" maybe you need to go talk to a psychologist ASAP. I don't even care what the situation or if she was molested or whatever. Why would she kill her mom if someone molested her. If you were killing someone because you had been molested, would'nt you kill the guilty person? Does that make sense to you? That is really not a good excuse. You really do need to be careful and consider your facts before you start telling everyone that someone in her family molested her and other members of the family. If that statement could not be proven true, you could be sued for liable and slander. Not to mention you could ruin someone's name. I don't know the family. I just think this is a tradgedy in my hometown. I will be praying for that family. Andrea took her brother's mom and her dad's wife from them. She did not have the right to do that. She may not have loved her mom, but others did and that was a selfish thing to do. You will understand once you have kids of your own.
-Melissa, I am not sure or not if she can't be given death penalty under 18 if they decide to try her as an adult-
NS- I just wanted to let you know that your post was spot-on....and wonderful. Thank you.
Andrea killed her mother...possibly with the help of her boyfriend. Her mother did not want her boyfriend back in their home, yet Andrea let him in. Andrea was a member of her family, and she opened a portal for her boyfriend to enter and help destroy. How could Joe "force" her to let him back in the house after her mother cast him out? None of this makes sense. Andrea was young, but old enough to make choices that matter. Who is to blame? Satan...IMO. Evil came into this family that had previously been good. Andrea was a member of a church, yet shortly before this murder, she was displaying drawings of demons raping an angel. I am all about in your face defiance of evil.. I can't get my head around in your face defiance of good....
Melissa, I think you are right. She can't be given the death sentence under 18 due to a ruling by the U.S. Supreme court in 2005. Some laws have changed since I went to college. But one thing is for sure, she will pay for what she did whether it is here on earth, or after her days on earth are through.
Angie said: Her myspace... as many, many teenagers do, was just giving in to the labeling that her peers gave her. Everyone says she's weird and demonic and psycho and crazy. Most of this assumption is based on this myspace page.
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Well Angie, guess what? It's no longer an ASSUMPTION that she is weird, demonic, psycho and crazy. She IS weird, demonic, psycho and crazy, to say the least!
Learn a lesson from this and be thankfull you weren't chosen to be last Saturday nights entertainment.
i think both of them they should be hung and burn in hell for what they did. i even went to school with the bitch. just knowing that pisses me off because she seemed real nice and she does this bullshit.
My gosh all of you shut up. You say you are concerned parents well prove it. All you are doing are bashing two people who havent even been convicted. I love how all of you are sooo quick to judge. Why? Nothing has been set in stone yet. They havent even released whose fingerprints are on the knife. Think about it. They have only been charged nothing else. Some of you have no idea who this person or there family is, so shut up my gosh how can you be so quick to judge with no evidence, all your information is based off media. Hello its media when was the last time anything on the media was actually legitimate. Now after the trial i could understand but nothing is known yet. For those who know Andrea I commend you for trying to show her and how she really is. So often we get caught up in the media that we believe them over actual fact. So until there is evidence dont judge you have nothing to go off of just specualtions.
You are missing the point if you think that I meant that she literally wanted to be accepted by the cheerleaders. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. My point was that all teens look for acceptance and belonging. A lot of times when teens do not fit into the typical cliques at school (ie:cheerleaders, jocks) they band together in rebellion of these groups and become the scarey, dark, occultish, clique. It is a form of protection really, where if you're wierd enough people won't mess with you. Yet, at the heart of a lot of these kids they do want to be accepted by the masses. We had a group like this when I was in HS and, (like many people have said about Andrea), speaking to the people as individuals they were harmless and quite normal. They just dressed strange. Andrea took it to a whole other level however, with her interaction with Joe. She was messing with things that are plainly evil and do have an effect on one's mind. I do have some sympathy for who Andrea used to be. She obviously was completely enamoured with Joe and his Satanic musings. But, personal responsibility does come into play here along with free will. She chose this path. In the end, she opened the door to let the monster in.
First of all to anyone in this page who wants to defend Gene, you dont know what he has done in his past. I have talked to all his victims and they all say the same thing. And the worst part of the whole thing all his victims who have gained the courage to finally speak of his terrible deeds are now being raped by the system that protects the child molesters and rapists of NC by putting a statute of limatations on these horiffic crimes, which in my mind is worse than murder any day of the week. And yes if Andrea did this awfull crime she should be punished to the full extent of the law. Because rape or no rape molested or not, if she broke the law, if she committed this terrible sin then God be with her and forgive her of her sins but the state of NC needs to punish her period!
To "a concerned friend" did you not read what i said? I am ONE OF HIS STEP DAUGHTERS. HIS DAUGHTERS, THE "VICTIMS" SAY THAT HE HAS DONE NOTHING TO THEM. I THINK THEY WOULD TELL ME OVER YOU, WHOEVER YOU ARE. YOU NEED TO GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. WHO ARE THE VICTIMS? YOU SAID HIS OWN SISTERS, WELL HIS OWN SISTERS STILL TALK TO HIM, SO IF SOMEONE RAPED ME I THINK I WOULD LEAVE THEM ALONE. AND YOU OBVIOUSLY DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE AS A CRIMINAL JUSTICE MAJOR, I KNOW THAT THERE IS NO STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS FOR CHILD MOLESTORS. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU SPEAK. I DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO DO, BUT YOU NEED TO STOP.
Are some of you calling Andrea's father a liar? Are you saying he lied when he told LE that when he came home and found his wife slaughtered, Andrea and Joe were upstairs playing video games. That when he screamed, Andrea and Joe came down laughing and then armed themselves with knives and threatened him causing him to run for his life.
You're quick to say we weren't there, we don't know what happened, we don't know the whole story. Andrea's dad WAS there and he DOES know the whole story. Go ahead and remain in denial. Tell yourself whatever you feel you need to, to be be able to cope and sleep at night. But that's your problem not ours.
This case really has me PO'd. I am so sick and tired of the whole whiney EMO culture.
I'm not believing "the media." I'm believing her brother.
Just doing some diggin, and thought some might find this interesting:
http://www1.aoc.state.nc.us/www/...&
courtRoom=00A1
Arraigned Offenses for Case Number: 2007060365 CR
Arraigned Defendant Name: MAXWELL,AUDREA,CHRISTINE
County: DAVIDSON
Court Date: 12/03/2007
Session: AM
Court Room: 00A1
Offense Code Description Statute
0930 Felony MURDER 14-17
http://www1.aoc.state.nc.us/www/...&
courtRoom=00A1
Arraigned Offenses for Case Number: 2007060367 CR
Arraigned Defendant Name: COLEMAN,JOE,LEE,JR
County: DAVIDSON
Court Date: 12/03/2007
Session: AM
Court Room: 00A1
Offense Code Description Statute
0930 Felony MURDER 14-17
http://www1.aoc.state.nc.us/www/...&
courtRoom=0001
Arraigned Offenses for Case Number: 2007007709 CR
Arraigned Defendant Name: COLEMAN,JOE,LEE,II
County: ROWAN
Court Date: 01/08/2008
Session: AM
Court Room: 0001
Offense Code Description Statute
2322 Misdemeanor MISDEMEANOR LARCENY 14-72(A)
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The birth dates for both "Coleman Jr" and "Coleman II" are the same:
http://www1.aoc.state.nc.us/www/...=46&
Next+25.y=9
Court
County
Defendant
Date of Birth
Court Date
Court Room
Session
Case Number
Citation Number
District ROWAN COLEMAN,JOE,LEE,II 04/15/1986 01/08/2008 0001 AM 2007CR007709 C8792152
District DAVIDSON COLEMAN,JOE,LEE,JR 04/15/1986 12/03/2007 00A1 AM 2007CR060367
I first want to say, It is good of this web page to have such a comment session. This is a tradgedy to this women, her daughter, her husband, her sons, family, and friends. It is also a tragedy to the young people who are her friends. It is obvious that this young girl's head was messed up from whatever influences. At this age which she was, young girls are reaching out for someone who understands them, because they do not understand who they are yet. The tragedy is that some young guys who don't know them selves and have negative view points on life, religion or whatever, pick up such girls and fill thier heads with the same meaningless bullshit. I don't blame these young people, although, they did this, the price has to be paid now. I blame the parents, the teachers, the politicians, and expecially the churches for shoving the bible and god and whatever down thier throats to a point that they think in such a binary way of only good or bad. I really do not agree that people are so "good, kind" whatever, or "bad, evil" whatever. Such "arrogance" to push your "good" on the "evil" and you "evil" on the "good". wake up, this is a tragedy. This young girl will wake up one day, and she will face the fact that she killed probably the only women who really loved her more then anyone. Her mother well, she does not have a second chance now to speak to her and maybe tell her why she cared of her, instead of what her myspace page said, that her mother, said she was of "odd sorts". I really wonder if anyone was listening to this girl. As for her brothers, my heart goes out to them, in hopes that they will heal from such a heartache.
thank you,
Patricia
"I don't blame these young people, although, they did this, the price has to be paid now. I blame the parents, the teachers, the politicians, and expecially the churches for shoving the bible and god and whatever down thier throats "
Unbelievable. You don't blame "these young people" for murdering a woman, the girl's MOTHER, but blame the rest of society (even politicians??) for "shoving the Bible and God and whatever down their throats?" Maybe if the Bible or God HAD been "shoved down her throat" the mother would still be alive.
Patricia, I have typed so many responses and deleted them because none of them can be posted here. So out of respect for Steve and his website, I will say this in the nicest way possible.
You are nothing but an EMO yourself.
Well Nichole you are his only step daughter. And you and the rest of the world can look in his social services files and read for yourself the list of child abuse from his daughters. And I believe that his victims wouldn't tell you the whole truth because they know you will run to him and tell it and they are still scared of him and even more scared for their husbands/ boyfriends who would hurt his little ass if he showed up at their doors mad at what they told you. And his sister that still talks to him, she is a very wild reckless woman who has lost her job and her house and has no one else to turn to except her brother. And how many ex wives does he talk to? Ask them and see if they tell you the stories of abuse and having to run away to get away from him! As far as your criminal justice major you are working on, you might want to get 4 years of college in before you start law school sweety, and at 20 years old (genius) you got a few more years before you equal my years of education and can compare to my abundance of knowledge.
Oh jesus christ. Will you just shut the fuck up and move on?
The rest of us are trying to wrap our heads around the entire situation and all you're doing is digging up some bullshit on someone not even involved in the case at hand. Who cares what deep, dark motivation she had to kill. The fact is, SHE KILLED HER MOTHER, pressured or not, brainwashed or not, and she could have backed out at any time.
Sorry, guys, for the harsh language, but I'm getting progressively more and more pissed off as "a concerned friend" continues to spew shit from all orifices.
To a concerned friend:
STATE LEGISLATION ON STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS FOR CERTAIN SEX OFFENSES AND IDENTIFYING PERPETRATORS BY DNA PROFILES
North Carolina: No limitation on any felony
http://www.ncsl.org/programs/
hea...dnasexoffen.htm
there is the website "sweety". Test my knowlege now. I may only be twenty years old, but i do know what im talking about. You need to keep your mouth shut about things you dont know what you are talking about. Im twenty, and im guessing you are around twenty eight, but it seems like you have more growing up than I do. You need to let this rest before you ruin someone else's life.
Not offended by the language at all Lynds. You're right, it has nothing to do with the case at hand. Unless "a concerned friend" has an inside view into the brain of Andrea I think it would be difficult to go that deep into her psyche as to the motivation behind this crime.
Suz and Soobs- I know there will be gnashing of teeth, but I didn't expect to be going through it now! Get out the duct tape. This is also the same parent who would call the "demon raping angel" drawing, an expression of their fertile and creative mind. Ugh. Moral relativism IS the problem. The thinking that there is ANY grey area here about what is right/wrong, good/evil in the actions that were taken. Whatever the factors were that accumulated in this girl's choices really don't matter in the guilt or innocence phase. The only time they will even possibly be heard and considered will be at sentencing. And blaming a politician will most likely not sway the judge.
In response to "Patricia" . . . "At this age which she was, young girls are reaching out for someone who understands them, because they do not understand who they are yet. The tragedy is that some young guys who don't know them selves and have negative view points on life, religion or whatever, pick up such girls and fill thier [sic] heads with the same meaningless bullshit."
Okay, WTF??? Are you a parent (assuming so, as you seemly have such deep understanding into the psyche of teenagers)??? If you are, are you saying that if your daughter did something illegal, even MURDER, that you would blame a boy she was dating or knew??? I have a teenage son and also a daughter, and if either of them ever committed a crime, I would hold "them" fully and solely responsible for their actions, no matter what.
I do know a few "mother's" that believe their children are flawless, faultless, and are always pointing fingers when teens are acting like teens . . . which, of course, does not include MURDER. My opinion, they are doing such a disservice to their children, and as long as they continue to not hold their own child responsible for their actions, or continue to bail them out of sticky situations their children put themselves in, these kids are headed for disaster!
Jeez, I wish my mother would have let me off that easy Patricia!!! Actually, second thought, no "responsible" parent would share your opinion! My opinion, of course. JEEZ?????
By the way, her MySpace spot was one of the darkest I've seen in some time ~ yeah, you bet, she sure appears to have been such a nice and sweet girl . . . right! Oh, I wonder if her boyfriend was also responsible for that too, and she just went along with it. Whatever!!!!
SuzieQ, Soobs, and Emerson (to name a few) ~ I always appreciate reading your posts! It is nice to know that there are like minded persons out there. Always difficult when a teen is involved, and I really cannot bring myself to get into a spitting match with one here . . . really contemplated responding with the aforesaid in the first place. Seems like there has been a flood of truly terrible crimes in that area over the last few months. So sad to see this world so out of control, and the taking of human lives seems almost like human nature any more.
My prayers to the Maxwell family! So sorry this happened!!!
TO THE FORMER CLASSMATES/FRIENDS/TEENS POSTING HERE:
Sorry you are having to deal with such horrific feelings and/or situation in your young lives . . . from the bottom of my heart!
I wanted to share the following, as a fairly seasoned mother (16 year old son, daughter, and younger son):
You need to remember that all of us "old" posters here have been in your shoes, i.e., teenagers, obviously. One poster here said it is different than when we were teens . . . quite true, but the rules of society have not changed a bit! Actually, and I think I can speak for many of the "old" folks here, we were absolutely held to a higher standard as a child and teen than most other teens are in this day and age! We were taught "RESPONSIBILITY", "RESPECT", hard work, etc.
Although I understand those speaking out in defense of this young gal as heart felt feelings often rule, you are also in turn supporting her actions. Do you honestly, in all of your teen years, not understand right from wrong? Well, as so many of you have pointed out, she was "smart". Therefore, I would make a judgment call here and say that she was "aware" and chose to take a role in her mother's murder, and knew it was WRONG!!!
I do sympathize with teens these days in many respects, as things have changed for the worse in many ways, but that does not mean that any of you, nor us, have the right to make excuses for what is acceptable behavior, and we either abide by the law or pay the price for breaking it. MURDER is MURDER, and for hell's sake, this was her MOTHER!!! How sad, unfair, and selfish of an act could a "child" inflict upon a parent?
I believe it is fair to feel bad for her (I have shared a situation somewhat like this in my young years), but please really think before you decide that you can excuse her actions! Joe, or no Joe . . . yes, all of us "old" posters also dealt with pure pressure, people that we should keep a distance from but maybe liked for one reason or another, etc. At 17 . . . YOU DAMN WELL KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG!
I still wonder how fist fights, car races, and girl steeling have been replaced by knives, guns, and murder! Anyone?
To a concerned friend- Could you please tell me.... What does her uncle have to do with this. I don't care if he molested her or 1/2 of Davidson county, how does that have anything to do with her killing her mom. As I said before, you don't kill your mom because you were molested by your uncle. If you are outraged enough to kill, wouldn't you kill the guilty person? That has nothing to do with her being sick enough to kill her mom. You really do need to get your facts straight before you get sued for slander. I don't know if you are correct or not in making the assumption of her uncle, but you better have your facts straight before publicly bashing someone's name or it could be you in court being sued.
http://www.news-record.com/apps/
...EWSRECRSSARKIVE
"$1 million bond set for teen in slaying
By Jennifer Fernandez
Staff Writer
Tuesday, Nov. 20, 2007 3:00 am
A Lexington teenager who is accused, along with her boyfriend, of stabbing her mother to death was ordered held on $1 million bond Monday, Davidson County court officials said.
Andrea Christine Maxwell, 17, and her boyfriend, Joe Lee Coleman II, are accused of stabbing Maxwell's mother to death Saturday night. Judith Maxwell, 47, was found in a bathroom of the family's Warf Road home along High Rock Lake.
Coleman, 21, of 834 Pine Lodge Road, Lexington, was ordered held without bond, said Davidson County District Attorney Garry Frank.
Coleman and Maxwell are both charged with felony murder, but their bonds differ because of the possible punishments. Coleman, but not Maxwell, could face the death penalty.
"Because of her age, it's not a capital case," Frank said.
Davidson County Sheriff David Grice refused to comment Monday on a motive for the killing.
He said Maxwell and Coleman were "very contrite and very polite" during their separate hearings Monday in Davidson County District Court.
Maxwell ran away from home about a week ago, and her parents contacted authorities, sheriff's Capt. Tony Roberson said.
She returned home several hours later.
According to the sheriff's office, Richard Maxwell found his wife shortly before 7:30 p.m. Saturday and called emergency officials.
Judith Maxwell was pronounced dead at the scene.
Andrea Maxwell was a senior at Central Davidson High School. She told investigators she was an honors student and had been accepted to UNCG.
Central Davidson principal Emily Lipe said in a prepared statement that the school is grieving for the Maxwell family.
"Andrea is an important part of (our) school community," Lipe said.
"And our thoughts and prayers are with her and her family at this time."
Contact Jennifer Fernandez at 373-7064 or jfernandez@news-record.com"
So until there is evidence dont judge you have nothing to go off of just specualtions.
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Hmmm.....an actual warrant listing all the knives and bloody clothing seized, the fact that Andrea and Joe were the only ones in the house, statements from Andrea's own dad.... Unless the knives just magically impaled themselves into her mother, or there was some mystery person who killed her and then magically disappeared there is overwhelming evidence of their guilt.
This kind of cracks me up...on the one hand you're saying not to trust the media but on the other hand, you seem to be waiting to be "told" whether or not they are guilty or not by a court of law. The bottom line is, if someone is guilty of a crime, they are guilty from the moment they commit the crime. Going to trial and being convicted doesn't make them guilty all of the sudden. They already are guilty.
This isn't the "The Fugitive", there isn't a one-armed man running around somewhere. Get with reality.
Well Nicole you are right it does say CERTAIN sex crimes against children and yes some are felonies and some are not. And without putting his victims through hell once again I will drop this with you. I am 36 years old and have a law degree from wake Forest University and a childish argument with a jealous 20 year old is not why I gave my opinion on the FACTS. And yes they are corroborated facts, and I can not be sued for putting the facts about a monster into the public eye.
To NS,
To answer your question about what it has to do with her killing her mother. My original comment states that she went to her mother about the abuse and was pushed away and into to the arms of Joe, who believed her and comforted her, and led her down the path to killing her mother. So no that's not the reason she killed her mother, that was pure sadistic behavior she learned from Joe, but it was a nudge in the wrong direction. And if anyone and I mean anyone has the slightest bit of doubt of what the effects of being molested or raped at a young age can drive you to, do some research and read some stories, there all over the internet. And when youre done reading the stories and imagine it happening to you, then tell me to leave her uncle alone and stop ruining his "GOOD NAME". GOD bless all the victims in this case and the forgotten victims all over the world. Thank you all for reading my comments but I am done.
For the record, I'm with Patricia Smith on this.
This is not about good or evil.
I would like to add that there is nothing new under the sun.
If anything, perhaps we can use this as a precautionary tale of the real reason adolescents should not indulge in sex. The feelings involved are too overwhelming, and no one can understand why someone who makes them feel so good, and accepted, and loved, can actually be so bad for them. Hell, adults have trouble with that one! Much less when you're 17!
to a concerned friend-
It is funny that you are done reading the comments once everyone starts questioning you. I don't doubt that being molested could make you crazy or even have episodes of being depressed or even somewhat crazy, but to say it would make you kill your mom is completley rediculous unless your mom was the one doing it. I am not much younger than you and I myself have a degree in law and that is the profession I work in myself currently. But that does not mean that you know what you are talking about. And yes, you could be sued for slander unless you are pulling this info from a public record somewhere or can prove it to be true. I have never once said that her uncle is not guilty. I don't know her uncle, but that is beside the point. That does not give her an excuse to kill her mom like you are saying. It is almost like you are looking to give her an excuse for doing this. There is no excuse!!!! I can not even beleive the people that are supporting her. How can you people not beleive how sick this was. You people really need to have your own heads checked. It makes me feel like all of our lives are on contract at anytime.
before anyone goes making statements about my sister, my uncle and my family please have your facts straight, slander against my family will not be tolerated. I love my sister and will always do so. A lot of attention has been given to Andrea(D as she is known by family)and hardly any attention has been given to joe. Try and focus on what is important here, my family is only wanting for Andrea and Joe to have a fair trial in court and it should be left at that. My mom is in God's loving arms now is smiling down upon us.
to A CONCERNED FRIEND stop posting that mess against my uncle. He has nothing to do with this crime and has been there in support of my family. He is a good man, someone I respect deeply. If you are out to slander my family I am sure appropriate action will be taken. till then please keep the comments about my family to yourself before you cause us more grief. Thank you
M.S. Maxwell
If I was a friend or member of this family I wouldn't be reading an anonymous public forum, let alone worry about what is posted here. For that matter, how does anybody here know anyone is who they say they are?
In any case, people are free to comment as they wish. You don't have to agree with them or even like what they have to say. Only the moderator of this blog determines what will or will not be tolerated.
Whatever happened in that house that night, we may never know the truth. Joe Coleman, 21 years old, never worked a day in his life, still living with parents, destroyed Andrea. He is a master con artist, manipulator, and dominator, and he was a major player in this tragedy. NOthing about him would surprise me. There is a reason why Judy was afraid of him and didn't want him in the house. Wonder if she even knew he was in the house when she returned from shopping? I'd like to hear more about Joe and his role in this.
I am 36 years old and have a law degree from wake Forest University
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Well then, I would hope as someone with a degree, particularly in law, that you would be able to formulate a coherent sentence with correct punctuation, grammar, and capitalization. For being a well-educated 36 year old, you're making an idiot of yourself.
To put it simply, leave. None of us are amused or enlightened by anything you're spewing.
"concerned friend" tells the "world" to look at Social Service files? As one so versed in law, as you claim, I would think that you would know that HIPPA privacy laws prevent such access. If you are attempting to publicize such information - STOP. I am curious as to why all these "victims" would open up to you. How would you know where to reach them? Something's not right here.
Nothing is anonymous on the internet. Believe me, anything considered slander and/or libel can be tracked to the person accused. One recent example - David Temple trial. One "anonymous" poster to the Houston Chronicle made a comment that was the focus of a court summons last week. One man's attempt to be "in the know" had his words come back and bite him in the a$$. Although it didn't alter the verdict, it remains to be seen if his boss will be as understanding.
"bvikk" is dead on here! I have worked within the legal arena for over 20 years. If this is representative of the quality of students graduating from law school the last couple of years, I think a transcript would speak volumes!
a "concerned" "friend", you wrote one sentence in your third post that requires a police report exist: ...[Y]ou and the rest of the world can look in his social services files and read for yourself the list of child abuse from his daughters.
Social workers are Mandated Reporters.
a "concerned" "friend", what that means is if they uncover evidence of abuse then they are *required* under pain of criminal sanction to report it. NB: I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on daytime teevee. NB: I knew about Mandated Reporters.
If you know that there is no police report then you, as an officer of the Court, are *required* under pain of criminal sanction and disbarment to report the criminal actions of the social workers that did not comply with the statutory requirements of the Mandated Reporter act unless doing so would violate attorney/client privilege. NB: I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on daytime teevee. NB: I knew about the "officer of the Court" status of lawyers that have been admitted to the bar. NB: I knew about attorney/client privilege.
As bvikk has observed, records of that type are covered under state or federal privacy laws. That means that the people that may have access to that information and how it may be used are limited under pain of criminal sanction. I doubt very seriously that the laws covering those records allow disseminating the purported facts in an Internet forum to distress an already distressed family nor would they permit divulging any such information -- if it even exists -- for self-aggrandizement. And if release of information covered under a privacy law is not authorized under that law, any such release is illegal.
a "concerned" "friend", if that information exists then you have committed a crime in a public forum in front of tens of thousands of witnesses. If I were in your shoes I would retain competent counsel. Since you claim to be a Wake Forest alum and are groundlessly arrogant, condescending, functionally illiterate, and unable to string two thoughts together into a logical argument you might well seek counsel from an alum of some other college. If you are representative of the type of lawyer Wake Forest turns out, an alum of another school will have a much better chance of keeping you out of prison.
Al
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Al ias Always In Flyover Country
And now I would like to address the Maxwell family.
I do not believe the information that "a ``concerned'' ``friend''" claimed to have seen exists. I do not believe this individual is an attorney. I am dubious whether this person is even an adult, either chronologically or emotionally.
I cannot begin to fathom the blow you have endured. I would not do anywhere near as well, and I am so sorry you had to be put into this position.
I am praying that you are granted the strength, the courage, the wisdom, and the grace to face what is coming.
Al
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Al ias Always In Flyover Country
THANK YOU "AlwaysInFlyoverCountry"! Those are my wishes as well!
Love is the best medicine I know, and if you all can stay together, support one another, and share this love/support, hopefully you can get through this with some understanding, or at a minimum feel justice has been served in some way!
What a loss for so many, and I pray that this family will be able to move forward!!!!
'Mom, I need to be thanking you and bvikk for confirming a couple of things that I had long thought were the case.
So I am. Thank you.
Al
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Al ias Always In Flyover Country
No thanks necessary, but as long as we're in the "warm and fuzzy" mood, I want to express my thanks for your nicely-worded message to the family. Although it was meant to be a personal one, I hope they do realize that most of us feel the same, and I wish that I had your gift of words - same to you RMM!
Someone mentioned that the family shouldn't read forums like this one, but I feel that maybe it's just one way for them to try to understand their circumstances - just as it may be our reason for being here. (Not sure if that makes any sense.)
I didn't say they shouldn't...I said I wouldn't if I were them. I can't even begin to comprehend what they're going through at the moment but I don't imagine I would be online discussing something that is all too real and still very new and very much resonating in every facet of their lives already. Whether they should or not is completely up to them.
I'm not even sure why I'm participating but there something very compelling about this whole story and very tragic. Like an aberration in an otherwise perfect spider web.
I'm also very cognizant of the fact that virtually anyone can post something here and claim to be anybody. What their motivation would be I don't know but people are strange.
Andrea and I were best friends at the ages of fourteen and fifteen.
Her parents didn't like her and i talking to one another, so she did attempt suicide twice on my behalf.
Her mother was a very concerned MOTHER plain and simple. Joe is what really tore D down this path. If anyone can be blamed for the conspiracy and execution of that murder it is Joe.
She would do ANYTHING for him, she stopped talking to me because he told her too.
However, D was one of those girls that did see things in the paranormal way, and she did love any sort of Death Metal or Heavy Metal, especially Cradle of Filth.
She had her own world, and you all were visiting it.
She is a sweet girl honestly, this Boy turned her into this Monster that would kill her mother, take it from her best friend.
John or Scott,
If either of you comes back on to see what some of these Knuckleheads are saying about your family, this is just a warning that I'm giving you a call Monday Evening, I'm coming to see D
"Since you claim to be a Wake Forest alum and are groundlessly arrogant, condescending, functionally illiterate, and unable to string two thoughts together into a logical argument you might well seek counsel from an alum of some other college. If you are representative of the type of lawyer Wake Forest turns out, an alum of another school will have a much better chance of keeping you out of prison."
Thanks Al for the fantastic laugh and for taking the time to systematically destroy said claims of reports. My pet peeve here is people with an agenda, because it is a slap in the face to the victim. Done through self aggrandizement statements and it really ticks me off.
This case reminds me of the Valessa Robinson case. http://tinyurl.com/2wocs3
Very similar influence of an older bf on a younger girl.
Maxwell- My thoughts and prayers are with you, your father, and the rest of your family.
Soobs, Suzie Q, Emerson, Rockymtnmom,
Gee thanks for your responses. I will admit, I should have put the word “ONLY” prior to saying I don’t blame these young people. My mistake, it was not my point, to say, I did not blame them. I find it interesting how you all selectively chose particular sentences, and never really got the point of my paragraph. Again, as I said, I do believe there is a problem, with society, parents, schools, and politicians to a point that more and younger people are murdering people with no consciousness to the fact that it is right or wrong. The problem is no one wonders why, they chose to blame the obvious (the two people). They don’t look or care to wonder why. Maybe it was the drug they were taking, or why did they choose to take it? Maybe it was the dark side (as one placed her web page), and why she chose it, as some choose to murder for the good side too.
MY point was merely that anytime people think in such a binary way, Left or Right, the result is tragedy. Of course they are responsible both of them for their actions. Just as certain politicians are responsible for killing their own countrymen (ha). Don
’t take me for an idiot, and yes, I do have a son and a daughter and guess what one is Christian the other agnostic. Both, thanks to having a brain and not so much god, are not either far left or far right, far evil, or far good. Either does drugs, drinks, or participates in any type of psychic delusional, religious cultures good or bad, to a point that they think they are so totally correct that they can “judge” other people, and choose to take their life, either it be by a knife or by a judge of peers (onward Christian soldiers) with an electric chair.
Yea, you are right, murder is murder, and when it happens, one really should evaluate the reasons why such horrors take place, and what consumes a person to make such judgments, rather then “Just” blaming the obvious, the people that do it. Did these two young people know the difference? Yea, I am sure they did, after all they are American and did grow up in a Anglo Saxon Christian ethical background in which murder is wrong and there is a price to pay (well for some). However, don’t you think that something consumed their brain to a point that their so called “no” was so far gone, that they would do such a thing? After all this girl was a supposable and intelligent, so called, good girl, if I am getting my information correct, up and until a few years ago. She was quite different from the insane, lifetime sick brains of serial killers.
That was my point, it
’s too easy to “just” blame the obvious, and not try to see the entire picture, to prevent such a tragedy amongst others.
Again, my heart goes out to this family, and the friends of this girl,
I hope in time you can find peace, and find answers to such a tragedy.
My family will have you in our thoughts.
Thank you for the post.
While reading a lot of the comments made by people who only know very little about Andrea, it made me want to scream! Andrea Maxwell and I went to the same school, and though I cannot say we were ever friends, I do know that Andrea wasn't "evil" as so many of you have blatantly called her. she was of a mysteriously strange and usually queer nature. She did her work, and didn't speak to many people, so people at school assumed she was retarded or just a freak. no one gave her the time of day. Had someone, ANYONE just reached out to her... told her she was worth their time... maybe she wouldn't have turned out the way she did. Andrea Maxwell didn't hate her mother. she would come into the local biscuit place where i worked with her mother all of the time, and they would order food, and sit down and eat together/talk together.
maybe she killed her mother because the ONLY person who EVER told her that they were happy she was alive was Joe Coleman, a boy who hated judith maxwell only becuase she was too controlling over Andrea and wouldn't let her be with Joe as much as he wanted.
what i am trying to get at here is simply this...
yeah, maybe they were both crazy for doing what they did, and yeah, maybe her myspace was even a little freaky. but Andrea Maxwell isn't some demented, satanic, evil girl. she WAS a sweet person. which is why it's such a shock to me and everyone else at Central Davidson High School that she, of all people would do something like this.
so before you go and mock her, and make false acusations agaisnt her, maybe you should take a look around at the world. take a peek inside one of central's lowsy classrooms, and just see what goes on. it's surprising to me, that with such hatred, filth and straight up bullshit in this world, that more things like this don't happen.
" I find it interesting how you all selectively chose particular sentences, and never really got the point of my paragraph."
Personally, I choose what I will respond to...and I don't usually feel the need to respond to an entire post. Sometimes, I'll even STOP reading, if I find one area of a post particularly ignorant.
"Again, as I said, I do believe there is a problem, with society, parents, schools, and politicians to a point that more and younger people are murdering people with no consciousness to the fact that it is right or wrong."
There have ALWAYS been problems with society parents, schools and politicians. I have my own personal reasons why I believe that it seems NOW, that there is more murder abound. However, I do not believe I must "figure out WHY" for every murder. I am especially indifferent in cases such as this....where a child murders a parent, with no regard, especially when a "boyfriend or girlfriend" are involved. I have little tolerance for this crap.
"They don
’t look or care to wonder why. Maybe it was the drug they were taking, or why did they choose to take it? Maybe it was the dark side (as one placed her web page), and why she chose it, as some choose to murder for the good side too. "
Again, it doesn't matter to me. She was nearly an adult. Time to take responsibility for her actions. I'm sick of the "victim" mentality in our country.
"Both, thanks to having a brain and not so much god, are not either far left or far right, far evil, or far good."
Well, there you go. You and I see the world differntly, and certainly "thank" different people.
Either does drugs, drinks, or participates in any type of psychic delusional, religious cultures good or bad, to a point that they think they are so totally correct that they can “judge” other people, and choose to take their life, either it be by a knife or by a judge of peers (onward Christian soldiers) with an electric chair. "
Did you mean NEITHER do drugs? And really, you have some issues with God, and those that believe in Him.
Hal said: so before you go and mock her, and make false acusations agaisnt her, maybe you should take a look around at the world. take a peek inside one of central's lowsy classrooms, and just see what goes on. it's surprising to me, that with such hatred, filth and straight up bullshit in this world, that more things like this don't happen.
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Hal, maybe you should look outside the classroom and realize your pathetic poor me attitude doesn't fly for the rest of us who do look at what's going on in the rest of the world.
Here is a snip of an above post I'm pasting just for you.
Go ahead and remain in denial. Tell yourself whatever you feel you need to, to be be able to cope and sleep at night. But that's your problem not ours.
Patricia play the blame game all you want. But evil psychopaths have no one but to blame but themselves. Their actions are completely selfish. It's all about them all the time. There is no big mystery to solve here. Psychopaths do not like it one bit when someone gets in their way. Mom got in the way. They got rid of mom. Simple solution to their problem. The toaster broke, throw it in the garbage. Problem solved.
While reading a lot of the comments made by people who only know very little about Andrea, it made me want to scream! - Hal
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Obviously most people here don't know Andrea. I don't know why you would expect them to- this forum is open to people from all over the world. Also, you apparently read very little of what is posted here because hardly anyone is calling Andrea evil or saying she is satanic or demented.
In any case, you and anyone else who "knows" Andrea need to get over the fact that people here may have intense reactions to what happened...and they are completely valid. No one is mocking or bashing Andrea. But she WAS involved in the murder of her mother. Her own grandmother said "I have no use for her." People who don't know her aren't going to talk about how sweet she was if they've never met her before. They're going to base their opinion on what they do know. And if you create a myspace page that is dark, bloody, and focused on death, that is going to have an impact on how people perceive you. Put yourself in their shoes for a moment. How would you react?
take a peek inside one of central's lowsy classrooms, and just see what goes on.
Drugs? Bullying? Bigotry? Underage drinking, cliques, sexual promiscuity? Racism, sexism, sizeism?
Now that I have described what went on in the classrooms at Flyover High School when I was a student there, back when dinosaurs walked the earth, you can tell me what goes on in the classrooms at Central Davidson High School.
Al
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Al ias Always In Flyover Country
I don't know that there is anything so unspeakable going on in the classrooms at CDHS that would contribute to this murder, I think it would more likely be what was going on in Andrea's life. The allegations of sexual abuse sounds as if it may have some merit, but murder is still not justified.. but it may help to explain her torment and anger toward her mom and how she was drawn to Joe. I don't know Andrea but her picture looks very cold hearted, i don't know that that is her typical look. I pondered over why the two of them stayed in the house after the murder but things seem to be pointing to the possiblity that they were waiting for the dad so that they could finish the job. I am still really interestedd in knowing whether or not they were into drugs and what drugs they were doing. Also interested in knowing more about Magic , the Gathering, orwhatever the game, book whatever is.
A concerned friend-
I have known D for three years, she was never abused sexually or physically. Your an idiot, and really should seek mental help.
As for these people talking about society and crap.
WILL YOU LISTEN ALREADY!
D may have been a little strange, but her boyfriend made her into what she is. Also, the only motive for killing her mother was because she didn't want the BOYFRIEND coming around anymore. The BOYFRIEND stabbed her mother, D helped clean up.
So the next person who posts about how we should blame the schools, or her parenting, or society in general needs to go and throw themselves in a river.
This murder was planned and executed by the BOYFRIEND, plain and simple.
This murder was planned and executed by the BOYFRIEND, plain and simple.
Can I ask how you know this?
Fluffy,
The fact that know Andrea to some degree doesn't make you an authority on what happened the other night. Maybe that's what you want to believe...that Andrea had nothing to do with this and that she is sweet and innocent. But the truth is you don't know what happened because you weren't there.
Shouting at people and being rude to them isn't going to change anything.
Fluffy, she is just as guilty if she knew what he was going to do and helped clean up.
Jeez, 2 of these threads and people on both of them don't get what complicity is.
Jack-
You really need to read what I am saying before you start calling me rude.
I am saying that Joe Coleman was the driving factor here. I am not claiming to be an "expert" or an "authority." I'm using simple logic in trying to piece together what I don't know first hand.
Joe Coleman had very little education, no job, and was mooching off his family at the age of 21. He is a controlling person, and is violent in nature. I know this because him and I have had a few encounters in the past. Most of them ending with him threatening to kill me.
Andrea is not violent in nature towards others. She blames herself when things go wrong, not others. She's attempted suicide 3 times in the past, and all of these attempts were based on her parents limiting her contact with a boyfriend at the time.
You can call her a sick sadistic person all you want, but the fact is I know her better than most of her family knew her. She's not "evil" or "twisted." She's an over emotional girl that falls in love quickly, and has an extremely hard time letting go.
Melissa-
I am not saying she isn't guilty, I'm just tired of people posting about how much of a "Monster" D is.
Honestly, you and jack really need to read posts before you start mindlessly bantering about the intelligence of others.
I've said it more than once on this page, and I'll say it again. Before you start accusing other people of knocking your intelligence and not being intelligent themselves, you should learn proper grammar, capitalization, and general construction of a sentence, "Fluffy."
Though I'm going to have to agree with you on one point - Joseph Coleman is a batshit psychopath if I've ever met one.
Lyndsey-
I didn't realize I had to proofread every sentence I type on an internet forum.
Your own grammar, punctuation, and general construction of sentences isn't flawless though. So please, keep your criticism to yourself.
Next time though, I'll email my posts to my English Professor here at PSU.
Joe Coleman is a complete fuck up, plain and simple.
Fluffy,
You're not paying attention. I didn't call Andrea sick and sadistic. I did not call her twisted or evil. I did not say she was a monster. No one here is saying anything remotely like that. All anybody has said here is that she is complicit in the murder of her mother which is indisputable. If she went along with Joe, she bears some of the responsibility, regardless of how evil or sadistic he is. Exactly what her role was remains to be seen.
If you want to share your opinion that's fine but lose the attitude.
Mike -
I don't recall telling you that you had to proofread, etc, but for you to knock someone else's intelligence when your own posts do little to display your own in a positive way... well, I'll leave it at that.
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I appreciate Mike aka Fluffy's input. He is giving us a part of the story we would not otherwise have.
It seems like one against many here. Let's try to be a little more understanding. "D" was/is his friend. He is able to understand her motivations better than any of us outsiders. He had personal contact with everyone immediately involved in this situation and is therefore able to offer a valuable contribution to this discussion.
Al-I thoroughly enjoy your comments!
Lythia,
His contributions are welcome. That's not the issue. He is distorting what myself and other people are saying, creating unnecessary conflict. If everyone would just respect everybody else then this wouldn't even be an issue.
Jack Straw Said: "If I was a friend or member of this family I wouldn't be reading an anonymous public forum, let alone worry about what is posted here. For that matter, how does anybody here know anyone is who they say they are?
In any case, people are free to comment as they wish. You don't have to agree with them or even like what they have to say. Only the moderator of this blog determines what will or will not be tolerated."
Jack, One of two things; either you don't live in a small town or you're a complete idiot. If you haven't noticed, a fairly large portion of the posts here have been from friends and family of the victim...residents of Lexington, NC.
How long do you think it takes for a rumour of this type to travel around a small town? You're right that only the moderator of this blog determines what will and will not be tolerated. It's just unfortunate that he/she has chosen to publish this BS on an 'anonymous PUBLIC forum' without any proof.
You chastised for the brother of the accused (son of the victim) for responding to the things posted here; I personally feel that it is very sad that he felt it was necessary to do so.
The allegations of sexual abuse sounds as if it may have some merit . . . .
Please go back and re-read every comment "a ``concerned'' ``friend''" has made to this thread, making note of the radical changes in the tenor of those posts, and see if you still think so. Quite personally, I do not find the allegations credible in the least for a multitude of reasons -- one of which being that a lawyer would know better than to admit to a felony or to commit libel on an Internet forum.
Also interested in knowing more about Magic , the Gathering, orwhatever the game, book whatever is.
Wikipedia is your friend. Not only is there a description of the game there, there is a link to the official game web site.
Al
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Al ias Always In Flyover Country
ok, so several commented on my last entry.... but no one mentioned the drugs.... any information on that out there?
No,
Dee was against using drugs. I don't know about Joe, he has a drug charge in the past, but other than that theres no real evidence that they were on drugs.
As for Jack, the only one insulting anyone here is Lyndsey, since she has nothing to contribute to the argument. She just likes to insult others on their posts.
She obviously is some middle aged housewife with nothing better to do than chastise people on an internet forum.
As for the abuse, there is no merit to that argument. Joe was her first, and will be her last.
I hope the give Joe the needle though.
I live in Lexington, and attended Central Davidson, I knew of her boyfriend but never talked to him....
Supposebly, while stabbing her mother, she took her guts out, and carved demonic symbols on her palms.
People these days, you just dont know whats going to happen.
I feel for the family, and I'll be praying for you all.
And, if anyone knows anything about the couple found shot on Raegan Rd. in Denton, Christopher Shinn, and Latisha, Please let me know, email me. So far theres no news on further investigating. Christopher was a good friend of mine, and I just want justice to be brought.
Rumours...(supposebly)
And for all the teens saying you don't know what we go through, I'm sorry I may be only 20, but youve got to understand, everyone will go the "finding yourself" stage, these days it may be a little bit rougher, I'm not judging Joe nor am I judging Andrea, all I know is the families have to suffer in everyway possible.
Leave the judging up to our Father.
well thats why i said supposebly...
Mickey, I commented on your previous post under a different name that implied a connotation that I didn't intend (unless you're Jack Straw).
My point is, that alot of information that is being given here is based on rumours and unfortunately is being spread about the small town (or general vicinity) of Lexington; That's unfortunate. Unless you know that it's true, don't post it here. Good luck to you... I wish I were 20 again.
Yes Jax, I am aware that there people posting here from the Lexington/Thomasville area. I went to college at Guilford in Greensboro, have friends in Winston Salem, etc...
Anyhow, I did not chastise anyone. I don't agree with what "a concerned friend"wrote and it's probably not a good idea to make baseless accusations, even on a forum such as this one. But at the same time, there was this steady influx of posts attacking people just for even mentioning Andrea's name.
That is what I don't agree with. If you're in the national spotlight, as the people in this case are, you're going to be subject to all sorts of scrutiny and people are going to have different opinions about this whole thing. They have a right to their opinions, whether you agree with them or not.
I said, if I was a family member, I would not be reading this forum. I am sure they have plenty to deal with without reading what people have written on a public forum. I feel incredibly compassionate towards all the members of Andrea's family and hope they can find some sort of peace, however elusive it may be.
Good luck to you... I wish I were 20 again.
jbw | 11.27.07 - 12:14 am | #
Well you're acting like a 5 year old, making juvenile insults so apparently you lack the maturity of even a 20 year old.
What I am not hearing from any of you younger persons that are defending Andrea is that this somehow happened in a fleeting moment, no forethought, Andrea did not know Joe would do something like this, nor was her mother murdered out of self-defense! "Self-Defense" is the only reason a murder could be dismissed, other than she was protecting her family from "her mother".
Another thing is that you are all hung-up on the fact that we are discussing Andrea at great lengths. That may be because it was "ANDREA'S" mother, and she helped in the murder of her own mother. If Joe was a piece of work, so be it. Andrea's family certainly were not responsible for that, now were they? If Andrea made the choice for whatever reason to choose Joe over her own family, "she" made it. This was "her" mother, and the ripple affect will be life-lasting for all that loved this woman!
In my opinion, she not only has destroyed her mother, but her "entire" family . . . they will never be the same, not to mention that an integral part of their lives will be gone FOREVER! Talk about murder! By all accounts, this woman was a caring mother, wife, citizen, etc. I also have to believe that she was a good mother, as she obviously cared about who Andrea was spending time with, which speaks volumes to me as a mother of a teen! A mother that does not give a crap does not care what her children are doing . . . that's work, a lot of work!!!
If this was Joe's "mother" who was murdered, I'm sure not many here would be speaking so much about Andrea either. Especially in view of what many of you are saying about him. Then again, many here may also have posted with the same concerns about what has been discussed here regarding her character.
Bottom line, she made a "CHOICE", and her mother is now gone, which would not have happened without Andrea making that "CHOICE"! If she wanted out of something, or even if he tried to force or coerce her into something she did not want to do, she was in her own home . . . "911", or any number of other suggestions would have maybe helped this from happening. SHE PARTICIPATED!
To Mike a/k/a Fluffy:
"No, Dee was against using drugs."
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This comment really bothers me. She was "against using drugs," but apparently no one knew she was not against committing and/or helping in a murder? By no means am I questioning a friendship, but for anyone to say "Dee was against using drugs," and after the fact that this horrific tragedy has occurred, is quite a broad statement.
It appears, to me anyway, that many people that "thought" they knew Andrea only really knew what she wanted them to know . . . a first, unfortunately not!
For the record, I am in no way "implying" that she did use and/or did drugs when this happened, nor that she may have been against using them. What I am saying is that no one knows, and using the word "no" she would not have as she was against them is, well, a broad statement. I would tend to believe that using drugs, although not accepted as the norm nor lawful, is nothing compared to murder (and/or helping with). Maybe she didn't "used" to think, or "not long ago she was against", etc.
It probably was not also long ago that she could never imagine taking part in what she did, but she did! Drug use can be dealt with, the loss of life is forever ~ drugs in this are pretty trivial to me at this point ~ look at the damage! There are two to blame!
Yes, I do feel for lost young people when they make bad choices in life, but murder is a choice that is just plain not acceptable (under most circumstances), and I personally would have to be killed if facing that situation . . . there is no place in my soul that could ever allow me to "kill" anyone! Unless, of course, if I were "protecting" my family . . . I don't even know that I could to save my own self, but I would do anything for my family!!!
RockyMtnMom-
I am not saying she isn't guilty. I know shes going to jail for a very long time.
However, Do not question on whether or not I "knew" Dee. I am not an idiot, I grew up with the girl, and kept in touch regularly, when she had a problem she called, when something went wrong she called.
She did not call me in the last month or so, but that was due to a very large fight Joe and I had.
She was against using any sort of drugs, and didn't like the way booze tasted.
As for her family, yes they are very hurt right now, but they're a strong group that puts a lot of faith in the church. They'll work through this, they're great people honestly.
Stop confusing my defense of Dee's personality, with whether or not i think she's guilty.
Jack Straw: you say it's immaturity; I say it's calling a spade a spade
whatever... Calling people names is childish behavior. Particularly so, considering the fact we've never even met and you don't know anything about me.
"She obviously is some middle aged housewife with nothing better to do than chastise people on an internet forum."
Well, actually, I graduated in 2006 from Central Davidson, and I'm 19 - far from being a middleaged housewife.
You have a lot to say about me calling you names, etc, but you're also making assumptions and pointing fingers at me :] Perhaps it was out of bounds for me to call you out on your atrocious grammar (though I have to say, it has improved in later posts) and I apologize for that. I just found it funny that you were calling other people ignorant at the same time.
In the meantime, I don't think this crime was drug-induced or in any way affected by drugs, unless they were some heavy ones. I think that information would have come forward by now, in some shape or form, had that been the case. I honestly think this was the work of two mentally ill individuals. In my opinion, Andrea WAS a victim in this murder, but inevitably she had the choice to stop everything that was going on, and she didn't.
Everyone needs to quit being such idiots. This forum is ridiculous.
She killed her mom, it's over with.
it didn't matter if she was nice, bad, satanic, or a christian. it's over with. Nothing anyone posts on here (bashing her or supporting her)is going to change the fact Judy Maxwell is gone.
I went to Andrea's school. We were best friends sometime ago, she was different, but still a good friend when I knew her, and I'm tired of hearing about it. It's exhausting for friends and family for all of you to keep this bullshit going.
old friend. Why do you feel compelled to come here if you dont want to discuss the crime?
Old Friend - stay ghe hell off this site, then. Seriously, I'm VERY tired of the SAME bs being said by all the "friends" of the murderers (in several different threads.) Get the hell off the computer, if you don't like what's being said. Sheesh.
Last time I checked, no one is being forced to read this discussion board. If you don't want to read what's posted here then don't log on. This is public forum about a crime...it's not a memorial page. That's not being insensitive or mean....that's just being realistic.
Mike a/k/a Fluffy:
Oh my hell! Please re-read my post(s):
"By no means am I questioning a friendship . . ." (RockyMtnMom | 11.27.07 - 4:17 am |)
By the way, two things have caught my eye regarding two of your posts, not that I would like to enter into a spitting match or the like, nor, once again, am questioning "your" friendship with Andrea, i.e.:
"I have known D for three years . . ." (Mike aka Fluffy | 11.26.07 - 12:50 am |)
vs.
"I grew up with the girl . . ." (Mike aka Fluffy | 11.27.07 - 12:36 pm |)
Three years is three years, but much much less than "growing-up" with someone. Likewise, knowing someone most of your life, and knowing someone when they have entered that "teenage" period of trial and errors, finding oneself, and basically testing how much rebellion one can get away with (for some teenagers that is), there is a huge difference. Once again, not saying you did not "know" her. Just was puzzled by the large discrepancy in posts.
Old Friend:
Ditto re: Melissa, Soobs, and Jack Straw!!!
I do wonder how you arrived at the conclusion that people discussing the murder of a mother at the hands of her very own daughter could possibly be considered "bullshit", nor reduced to being referred to as such! Simply incredulous!
No one here is willfully inflicting harm upon this family nor friends. People are discussing this crime for what it is, and for many are trying to make sense of how a daughter could participate in the same ~ horrific!!! "Bullshit"??? . . . it makes me sad that you could reduce any number of words into your chosen one. Sorry, I would have to disagree for all reasons set forth above.
RockyMtnmom-
Here's how I see it. I know Andrea very well, and I think three years (almost four) of knowing someone really gives me the right to say that we have grown up together.
You proved my point in your post when you said:
" knowing someone when they have entered that "teenage" period of trial and errors, finding oneself, and basically testing how much rebellion one can get away with"
The teenage years is where you mature with someone, you usually don't have much of an identity of yourself before the age of 13.
So, in my opinion I've grown up with her,or matured with her.
Quite honestly, I think you should really re-read what your saying before you post;, because that "discrepancy" was just a silly thing to bring up.
Old Friend-
Just go away if you don't like what your reading, it's as easy as that.
I stopped watching tv, the news, reading paper, etc years ago because of the hype and beause i didn't want to hear all of the horrors of the world. I hear enough shit everyday. If it is important enough for me to need to know... you know i'll hear it. I read about this crime because it is in my community, in the school of my children, in the neighborhood of my friends.... and just too close to home in many ways. I was looking for update articles and found this blog site. For the most part I have found this site ....... informative (?) This crime has hit me in such an odd way, I can't explain it... this site has helped me to process my thoughts and feelings associated with it. But i must say it is quite annoying to have to read through the bickerings of individuals... who selfishly attempt to draw the attention away from the blog content and onto themselves. If you want to squabble with someone, take it private somewhere where the rest of us don't have to deal with it.
I would like to hear some more about Joe, the boyfriend. I think there may be some interesting things out there about him. How controlling was he? What is known about him? What are HIS parents thinking? If you watch the video of his arraignment, he appears to be biting his face, like he is trying not to laugh.
ya know, there were a few here that were blowing me crap because I was trying to discuss, maybe a reason why there are more young people today doing things that my generation would never consider like murder. Some just wanted to blame the ones who do it. I was trying to look for a deeper reason. We really need to get a catch on reality of what is happening around us. We are exposed to many things now in this generation because the world has become smaller via internet. I really don't think that some young people understand what a life time in prison or the death penalty means, that they would make such choices as such. Maybe it's time to walk our youngest into a prison and show them what happens when you break the law and take someones life. Maybe I have been in the closet I don't know, but it just seems to me that the young people today just choose to see things one way are very shortsighted and spontaneous without understanding the consequeces. Prayer I don't believe is going to help these kids. I think a wake up to reality will. thanks, don't bash me please, it's just my opinion.
be prepared to watch and hear this video it is very similar and sad.
http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?...MSNHP&
gt1=10547
"Some just wanted to blame the ones who do it. I was trying to look for a deeper reason. We really need to get a catch on reality of what is happening around us. We are exposed to many things now in this generation because the world has become smaller via internet."
But Patricia, we ALL are exposed to many things, and very FEW go on to commit heinous crimes. If you think that environment is a driving force, how do you explain this fact?
"I really don't think that some young people understand what a life time in prison or the death penalty means, that they would make such choices as such."
I think that most kids, teens, don't think about consequences. I don't think that excuses them from the severe consequences of their actions.
Soobs,
Why do you allege that I am excusing them? I never stated this. Again, I state I blame more then just them.
you all should read this article and watch the two videos featured on the page...just you can see what sort of an amazing family Andrea was brought up in.
http://www.wxii12.com/news/14719...787/
detail.html
did anything happen in court on dec 3?
i am still waiting to hear of anything from the 3DEC court date also...
Jon or Scott,
If either of you comes back on to see what some of these Knuckleheads are saying about your family, this is just a warning that I'm giving you a call Monday Evening, I'm coming to see D
Mike aka Fluffy | 11.25.07 - 12:16 am |
hope you have/had a good visit with her.
to the brothers of dee........ i am so sorry for the loss of your mother and sister..... i can not imagine having to go through what you must be going through...... god bless you both and your dad ( and all of your family)
do you know anything of the boyfriends family and their thoughts on all this
Pasted from the Court's calendar:
http://www1.aoc.state.nc.us/www/...&
courtRoom=00A1
Arraigned Offenses for Case Number: 2007060365 CR
Arraigned Defendant Name: MAXWELL,AUDREA,CHRISTINE
County: DAVIDSON
Court Date: 01/15/2008
Session: AM
Court Room: 00A1
Offense Code Description Statute
0930 Felony MURDER 14-17
http://www1.aoc.state.nc.us/www/
...it=Submit+Query
Arraigned Offenses for Case Number: 2007060367 CR
Arraigned Defendant Name: COLEMAN,JOE,LEE,JR
County: DAVIDSON
Court Date: 01/15/2008
Session: AM
Court Room: 00A1
Offense Code Description Statute
0930 Felony MURDER 14-17
zonk stay strong man!!!
next court date is the 15th of march
Alright, really guys, get off of your computers and stop coming up with conspiracy theories about why Andrea and Joe did the things they did. Honestly, I doubt if anyone will ever know the truth, and if you've never met her, then you certainly won't. I know Andrea. She is different. What's wrong with that? Most of what is being brought up, is the fact she is "immature", "weird", "unusual", and "lost on her path in life." Are you saying that if she had worn Hollister and American Eagle, been on student council, and maybe the tennis team, then the crime she committed wouldn't have been quite as bad? And how about the fact that her family even says that she is guilty. Uhm, well, okay, they've never liked her at all and you might know that if you had spoken to her. But, no, most of the people who are posting on here, have never met her, or have gone to school with her and judged her from a safe distance. People are people. People make mistakes. What Andrea and Joe did was very, very wrong, but who are you to condemn them? That isn't your job. And since most of you are pushing for the death sentence (though she is a minor) then I guess that greater power will take care of it soon enough. And might I add, for the user who said: "LOL This is why teens drive me crazy." Seriously, you just used 'LOL ' and 'teens' in a sentence. You're right, your maturity level clearly exceeds that of the rest of us. If I hadn't searched for Andrea's court date online, then I never would have even found this hidden corner of the internet. So what good is this doing anyone? You aren't reaching the masses and Andrea will probably never read it. How is it helping? Maybe if you put your efforts into talking to the girl in your school who is a little different, a little scared, a little confused, and who might not have anyone to listen, then you could help to prevent something like this from happening again. I mean, since everyone on here is so righteous, that shouldn't be too much to ask.
And how about the fact that her family even says that she is guilty. Uhm, well, okay, they've never liked her at all and you might know that if you had spoken to her.
I don't know who told you this, we loved dee. there is no dispute about this. Andrea was loved by us all, I for one was very close with my SISTER and still love her. I don't know what you talked to Andrea about nor do I care but saying that we didn't care for her is a blatant slap int he face to us.
For one you all are immature and why is it any of yalls business what had happend Andrea is a beautiful young woman and i stand by her she is one of my friends and IF you have nothing nice to say then no one wants to hear your bullshit. Grow up people. I love her to pieces and still in my heart she is one of my friends and amazing. None of yall know her and your just running your mouth You are really rude and immature.
"Seems like a bunch of cold hearted, self obsessed, intolerant, evil, psychopaths with no morals and don't give a damn about what is right and wrong" < This is something that never should of been posted. You do not know the truth just what people is saying. You might want to respect her family & andrea as well by not making rude remarks b/c it will come back & bite you in the ass one day.
http://www.myfoxwghp.com/myfox/p...Id=1.1.1&
sflg=1
latest on the case
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