Extremely weird. The movie Dressed To Kill came to mind after reading the NY Times issue.
Before he fled, the assailant left two suitcases in the basement. Inside one was assorted women’s clothing — some shoes, a top, as well as diapers for adults. He other had about eight knives, the police said.
Holy crap. Are you serious? The killer of Dr. Faughey did that? Wow. Gotta update.
Could she have been treating a transgender individual? Perhaps she felt he was NOT mentally fit for surgery, put kibosh on his plans & he killed her?....or "SHE" killed him? it could be a woman who desires to be man & has dressed as man. Could be very hard to locate transgender suspect if they can not figure which sex they are searching for!
interesting - i saw this on ABC this morning and was hoping someone would cover it in a bit more detail. very bizarre indeed, perhaps someone with a severe paranoid illness who had identity issues and something led to a psychotic break?
just speculating. i guess more will come to light soon. i will follow with interest.
I'm thinking this was a sexual psychopath, actually. I will be surprised if it doesn't end up that he's on the sex offender registry. If you Google around beyond even the links I've provided, you find that there may have been an element of calculation in this crime, which makes me doubt a paranoiac, schizoid break with reality.
But the public nature of the killing and the way the guy fled leaving stuff behind makes me think that he may not be any sort of experienced killer, psychopath or no.
But if he's still alive, he sounds like the kind of guy who will damn sure kill again if it suits his needs.
Pretty bizarro Steve. And you're spot on. You just can't make this stuff up.
In his bag, rope, duct tape, knives.. makes sense if you're planning on murdering someone. Women's clothing, weird, but could be a disguise or change of clothing. The adult diapers though, what the hell is up with that? Lisa Nowak groupie?
No, for some truly strange reason, the adult diapers combined with everything else made me think of Joseph Edward Duncan. He was a cross-dressing sexual psychopath, after all.
It's the women's clothing that has me seeing all the transgender signs flashing! You must live as the other sex a year or more, use hormones prior to surgery. During this time you must be ok'd by mental health & if you hve severe issues, surgery is denied. At that stage there are some troubled individuals who just go off deep end. They'd rather die...or kill whoever they see as the road block to their true identity & happiness.
I am VERY curious to hear more on the motive of this crime. I feel very sorry for her family & friends. It sounds like she was very good, dedicated, sweet natured. Very sad indeed.
According to the NYT article he first asked to see Dr. Shinbach, but then went into her office. Shinbach did not identify him, so it doesn't sound like he was a current or former patient of either of them.
Just for the record, I found a sexually violent offender on the NY sex offender registry who lives less than 3 miles from that office. He fits the killer's description to a T, and the sketch and this guy's pic side-by-side are pretty close. The offender is 57, 5'09", and weighs 230. He is wearing an obvious combover, and his hair is listed as red, but his eyebrows are very pale. No way I'm posting this yet, or naming the guy, but if you want to see the photo/sketch comparison, e-mail me.
I am wondering if, the perp. normally dresses as a female, but for the sake of confusing any potential witnesses (security guard, female patient in the reception room) dressed as a male. After the completion of the murder, maybe he hoped to change into his female persona. Once he realized that both Doctors would put up a heck of a fight, he had to ditch the idea of changing clothes and eventually had to leave the two bags behind. After googling for more info. several sites stated that it was believed the perp. had staked out the area and put planning into the attack / murder. The diapers could have very well been to aid the perp. (while fleeing) in not having to stop for bathroom breaks. Like Steve wrote, this case also reminds me of Joseph Edward Duncan as well as the savage murder of Dr. Cornbleet in Chicago. Dr. Cornbleet was brutally attacked and murdered by a former patient. Sounds like this case may have similarities. So Sad.....
It gets worse -- this offender was once a dentist who practiced in Central Park West.
Is this the Dentist that I read about when I did a google search? My mind can't remember the details. UGH!!! Perhaps the husband of a friend? I am going to retrace my steps and see if I can find what I read earlier.
Just don't name him, please. I'll have to delete it if you do. I tell ya, this guy fits the physical description awfully well.
His past crimes didn't appear violent, so I wonder how they arrived at the sexually violent designation.
One victim was 44 in 1996, when one of his offenses occurred. That victim would be 56 now -- same age as Dr. Faughey. Just sayin'.
I won't name him. I found the article. It is a quote the wife a Dentist that lived near Dr. Faughey made. She basically said that Dr. Faughey was nice lady.
Don't know about my guy now -- just read one article that said the suspect was believed to be in his 40s. The dude I'm looking at is nearing 60, and is not a young late 50s, either.
Lori, that article you reference -- no, that's not the name of the person I'm wondering about. I don't believe the man on the sex offender registry is in practice, anymore. He better not be.
My thoughts exactly about him not practicing anymore. As a Registered Dental Hygienist, I would expect the NY Dental Board to have revoked his license. I know they would have in the state in which I practice.
Surveillance tape of suspect. Right hand side of article.
http://tinyurl.com/2vp25q
I wonder if he's just a pissed off husband or boyfriend of a patient and this has nothing to do with transgender or sex issues. An angry & violent man that thought he dreamed up a clever plot to murder the Dr and get away with it. If he had been staking out the building he would have been aware of the video cameras.
thefirstdiane~
Thanks for the video link. Some of the articles I read stated that getting out of the building through the basement was no small feat. Because this man navigated it with a fair amount of ease, they believe he knew his way around the building well. Adding credence to their theory that he had staked out the premises.
Normally, thefirstdiane, I'm all for the simplest, most straightforward explanation. Here, I don't think that'll be the case. The suitcase with the clothes and adult diapers, all the cutlery -- totally blew the curve. That stuff was intentionally brought along, and it indicates a rather obsessive and deeply perverse mind. The scenarios you mentioned would have been MUCH more straightforward. A straightforward knifing, an office shooting. None of that fits this, so far.
Well, hmm - reading the NYDN article has me thinking he might have been her patient after all. The article refers to her as "his therapist" - I wonder if they have any facts to back that up, or it's an assumption on their part. He was in her office for 30 minutes before she screamed - so I guess she was either in session with him until that time, or he walked in and immediately held her quiet/captive until he began killing her.
I did pick up on them refering to the suspect as her patient from the start. I put that together with the items left at scene...
well you all know how I lean on this. My gut says the guy was denied something. He lost it in his desperation & killed her. He had a good idea before that appt she was not going to approve him. They had words. He came to appt, it was over fast. I'm sticking to the transgender kibosh til I hear different & then I'll eat crow.
My heart goes out to her family. What a terrible thing, how can they cope? I hope they have security as well since this sick person is on the loose & nobody really knows if they are searching for a man or a woman. Yet the pic Steve shared looked exactly like the police drawing.
Well, I'm a rank amateur at this stuff and rarely weigh in... but, what of the possibility that the suitcase of women's clothing and diapers were intended for HER? Any possibility that he had some fantasy that he could lure/woo her away with him? Clothing and diapers would then make sense... they would be well away from the city and possible detection before they had to stop for provisions or a break.
I once had a client whose ex-girlfriend had a plan to reunite with him when he finally was granted visitation with their child by a court. Unfortunately for him, she also had a backup plan in the event that he didn't go willingly which included cattle prods, machetes, handcuffs and a lot of plastic bags. This situation doesn't sound entirely different from that...
When googling last night I saw where Kathryn was a member of a guitar message board. IIRC, she went by the nic Little Anna.
Sources tell WCBSTV.com that NYPD detectives are in Pennsylvania questioning a 43-year-old man from there. The man, sources say, met the victim, 56-year-old Dr. Kathryn Faughey, in a guitar camp six years ago. They were not romantically linked, but the psychologist and the suspect were friends.
http://tinyurl.com/26wzcl
MartinFest 2007 She and her husband are registered. Several men on that list are from PA.
http://www.nrjag.org/umgflst7.htm
William Kunsman, who was being grilled at a state police station in Bethlehem, Pa., met victim Kathryn Faughey and her husband at a guitar camp six years ago, a top law enforcement source said.
http://tinyurl.com/32uytq
There's also a William Kunsman who either owns or works for a Paving or Construction company in Bethlehem PA. Doesnt appear to have a website, just appears on some local business board etc.. Don't know if it's the same guy though.
I was wondering too, Danstang, and still don't know for sure. I don't think this guy was a full-time musician. He was apparently pretty good at what he did, based on what I'm reading online.
Reading through his old postings, he did have a job, worked 6-6. Also in 2003 he was married & had 5 kids.
Well, according to the NY Post, they have released Mr. Kunsman anyway Steve, and allowed him to return home. Of course they could always go back, but I would think if they really thought they had something, they would hold him longer than a few hours.
I'm still tossing around the reasoning for the items in the suitcase. If it was for an abduction, how did he plan to get away...walk out the front door with her? Why bring slippers? What triggers this kind of thought process?
http://tinyurl.com/yq2q9r
I don't know if this is the same Kunsman, but this person accepted a part time maintenance job at a local Bethlehem School. (Perfect job for a musician, or a sexual deviant with a penchant for children)
2.
NAME:
Kunsman, William
ADDRESS:
Bethlehem
ASSIGNMENT:
Maintenance, M-2 Mechanic
STATUS:
Long-term Substitute
SALARY:
$21.61 per hour
EFFECTIVE:
June 12, 2006, and terminating upon the return of M. Sales, who is on a Military Leave of Absence
I've updated the post to note Mr. Kunsman's release from PA police custody. I removed most links relevant to him. If the cops really thought they had a meat cleaver killer in custody, that guy would not be free right now, period.
They had him in custody for almost 12 hours. You would think they would have been able to determine if he was the killer quickly, since there are 2 witnesses.
I feel bad for the guy if he got hauled into this because of emails. I'll bet they were all about music too.
Daine, I was thinking along the same lines - god forbid someone on one of my email lists is killed or goes missing - I keep in touch with a lot of people quite frequently.
If he had staked out the building earlier, would there not be previous sightings of him on the security tapes - perhaps with a better view of his face etc?
And why oh why a meat clever, not just the knives?
A "bent" meat cleaver at that.
Maybe they've shown the sketch to her husband? Certainly he would know of any family or friends that resembled the sketch. If not, that leaves patients or a stranger.
Maybe he is the one that led police to Mr. Kunsman?
I'm not convinced that LE won't be back to question him again. There must have been something in the emails to raise their hackles.
Holy Moly!
UPPER EAST SIDE (WABC) -- Law enforcement sources tell Eyewitness News the surviving victim of the attack that left a psychologist dead has identified the man questioned today by police in Pennsylvania as the killer. The Distritct Attorney is awaiting forensic evidence before an arrest is made.
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/stor...ocal&
id=5956939
Holy crap.
Here's the thing -- Kent Shinbach's home address was apparently in PA. So, you had Kunsman and Faughey having a mutual interest in Martin Guitars, which led to PA, then you also had Shinbach's home being there, and the killer telling Faughey "I know where you live."
Still... damn. I'll probably revert the update. Thanks, diane.
Here's a pic that appears to have been taken today. I don't see a bald spot and he doesn't look pudgy.
http://tinyurl.com/33o8lw
Steve-
I just wanted to come on to "eat crow". You were right! My gut feeling was all wrong. I'd have sworn they would have come on today to announce the perp was a patient who was denied sex reassignment surgery. In my mind, the items left at scene, the rage, everything pointed to that. I better leave criminal profiling to John Douglas & Pat Brown!
Atleast the surviving doctor was able to identify the frenzy killer. Everybody can relax now in the community. I really feel for her family. 56 is so young to go, & in such a horrific manner across the street from your family home! Every doctor dealing with mental health patients should have a panic alarm in the office. Should be mandatory!
Last thing....Steve the pic you shared last evening of the crazy dentist, he REALLY looked like the guy they were looking for in this case! Those 2 pictures side by side, I thought that was a slam dunk.
I was having doubts that Kunsman was the man in the video/sketch, but it appears NYPD believes it is.
NEW YORK (CNN) -- A man was questioned Thursday in the meat cleaver slaying of a Manhattan therapist at her office, police in Pennsylvania and New York said.
NYPD Chief Assistant Michael Collins said the man questioned is believed to be the person shown in surveillance video.
http://tinyurl.com/35lf96
A snip from silive.com
"The type of diapers found are not widely distributed but were available near Bethlehem, Pa., officials said, but that was not what led authorities to Pennsylvania."
Well, this is all very bizarre. Kunsman was shown on Greta tonight and he appears to be lanky with a full head of curls. It was also reported that he said that he understood why police questioned him based on the emails. During the 10 hours of questioning, he didn't know why they brought him in and eventually asked for a lawyer...after which he learned of what happened to Faughey. Kunsman says he was home with his wife and the wife adds that the weather was bad that night (ice, etc) and confirms that he was with her.
I think the media must've misreported that the other therapist ID'd Kunsman as the killer. Right?
New pic of Kunsman: http://tinyurl.com/2yfotk
Interesting article: http://tinyurl.com/2yfotk
Long story short: Kunsman is bipolar, currently not getting treatment, had a DUI arrest Jan. 25, recently lost his job at UPS where he worked as a driver (reason not disclosed) and was having 'personal problems'. He also had email and phone contact with Faughey the day she was killed.
Only normal police would want to question this guy, but I don't think it's him (faughey's husband doesn't either) based on that surveillance video).
Too weird. I'm just going to babble, or free associate if you will:
People who observed him in the building before the attacks said he impressed as "off balance."
The weather was awful. I was wondering how somebody covered in blood wouldn't be noticed in the streets...
It is said the murderer yelled "nobody is helping me" a couple of times.
Ever sit in a shrink's office? Drug reps swarm those places will luggage on wheels, which might explain why the doorman didn't think twice?
The luggage: Just plain bizarre. 8 more knives? Just seems nuts. Maybe throw in some kidnap/torture/adult baby fantasies? Just seems disorganized to me. Where's the food for example? And the woman's blouse--a perverse thoughtfulness, or even affection for the victim?
Was Shinbach the intended victim?
How fast could have this happened? What took Shinbach so long to get in there?
How many of the wounds were post-mortem? Had she screamed for help?
How did he know her office would be available? Did he? Was she expecting a patient or was in the wrong place at the wrong time?
I'm guessing the scene is going to be forensic heaven.
I don't think my other post went through.
In short, the guy is psychotic. The luggage contents are not those of an organized mind.
nycyn, on the contrary, I think the killer was very organized. He went in saying he had an appointment and he had a get-away plan, a pretty good one at that, it would seem.
That's what gets me...how did he get away? Doubtful that he would have walked for long or hopped in the subway. Someone would have noticed. I'd be willing to bet that he had a car parked nearby, which would fit in with the guy being from PA (where the particular brand of adult diapers are said to be from).
I do not think Shinbach was the intended victim, as he didn't finish him off (thankfully!) and even had the presence of mind to steal his wallet before fleeing.
The attack was very personal in nature. This was likely someone who knew Faughey.
They say the PA guy had no injuries.
It appears that he was in a supreme rage, or otherwise souped up. He springs between that and calculation?
Just thinking this through.
Also, who brings luggage to a premeditated murder? Seems it would slow an escape up if anybody with half a brain would consider. Or, if it was a kidnapping gone awry--would you stop and fetch your bags?
Her wake is today. Location published. Think he'll try to show up?
Car makes sense. If so he possibly went around the block for 24 hours trying to get a good spot! Manhattan isn't the kind of place where you just cruise over to the place you want to park in.
Heck, I'm still wondering what the Grimes's did with that poor ladies body!
Interesting case.
And another thing. 
All those doormen buildings have service entrances and exits, for deliveries, contractors, trash. I don't think one would necessarily have to case the interior of the joint.
mycyn, I'm just thinking this through as well 
Kunsman is not the only PA resident that could have done this, you know what I mean? And I definitely know what you mean about finding a parking spot in Manhattan! If he indeed had a car, the fact that he had to account for time to find nearby parking could also point to organization.
On my last post I also forgot to mention that I read that he arrived at 8 pm, actually SAT in the waiting room for 30 minutes, along with another patient who was waiting for an appointment with Dr. Stinbach. That certainly smacks of calculation to me.
I can't explain the luggage really, but can only speculate that he could perhaps change after the attack? Although, being winter and having a winter coat would make wearing a blouse moot? Maybe some kind of security blanket? Items that brought him comfort. Heck, I don't know about this last part...just thinking out loud as well.
I don't think he was transgender at all. No wig etc. blah blah.
I don't think he was in treatment for gender issues either.
Whatever he is, I'd really like to know!
Most interesting case.
And horrible.
Just a quick comment to add that the "I know where you live" came about because the killer took Shinbach's wallet and read the address from his driver's license. He reportedly stole $90 that was in the wallet.
I feel bad for Kunsman. Turns out that the "hard to get" diapers are readily available online, according to the NY Daily News. I believe he is 100% innocent.
The News also says that the guy was seen "casing" the building about 2 hours earlier. It didn't say whether he had the suitcase at that time.
I suspect he lives fairly nearby or had a car very close by.
She mostly treated women and had a specialty in helping people break up. I think he is a pissed-off ex who was dumped with her assistance by a woman he was abusing. Possibly it is that woman's stuff in the suitcase.
Yeah, I'm seriously doubting Mr. Kunsman as a suspect. Anyone who wants to help the guy out should buy his cd or something. I've linked it at the bottom of the post.
No wonder they have say eyewitness testimony isn't reliable.
NEW YORK -- Law enforcement sources say they are questioning a former patient of the psychologist wounded in the Upper East Side cleaver attack, NewsChannel 4 has learned.
It's believed that fingerprints found at the bloody crime scene where psychologist Kathryn Faughey was hacked to death Tuesday night led authorities to this former patient, sources say.
This former patient, believed to be in his 40s and living in Queens, had apparently been treated in the past by the wounded psychologist, 70-year-old Dr. Kent Shinbach, sources said.
http://www.wnbc.com/news/1532030...309/
detail.html
Seriously, diane. I gotta say, had Mr. Kunsman not just come out and spoken to the cameras, I would have eliminated most mention of him from my entry. I doubted the i.d. of him from the moment I saw a photo of the guy online.
I personally think that he's a boyfriend/lover of one of her previous patients.
Even if this guy was crazy, he certainly was organized enough to get away. Even if he did leave tons of evidence, the evidence certainly isn't leading cops to him.
Thinking aloud, there are several possibilities. He could have planned on tying her up with the rope and covering her mouth with the tape. He might have an infantilistic fetish with diapers and sex and planned to rape her before killing her. But Shinbach might have hindered that plan.
I personally think that the dress was for a disguise for him to get away.
I can't wait to find out if this new suspect from Queens might be the killer. They say that this guy from Queens was a previous patient of Shinbach's, not Faughey's. So why would this guy want to kill Faughey?
Looks like the sources still aren't sure which Dr. this guy was seeing.
"Cops believe the suspect was furious with psychologist Kathryn Faughey over a decision that sent him to a mental institution, the sources told the Daily News.
The 39-year-old Queens telemarketer was picked up by cops shortly after midnight, according to sources. Investigators noted he fits the description of the balding, fat-faced killer.
The suspect, who was being questioned at Manhattan's 19th Precinct stationhouse, has a long history of mental problems and previous hospitalizations, the sources said."
http://tinyurl.com/2krjbc
Well, we now know how he cased the joint. I wouldn't want to be that doorman!
Queens. Car. Slide onto the FDR and away!
Hopefully this is it!
I have never before heard of her specific area of therapy, helping women deal with relationship break ups. When I think about it, that could be a very dangerous job.
The man or woman's partner might have had a "kill the messenger" type of response to the discovery their partner was counseled by this psychologist to gain the inner strength in order to seperate from them. When their partner was able to make that final break, thanks to the doctor, maybe during their conversation they let it slip that Dr.Faughey's has assured them they are indeed a valuable human being, & not fully able to handle life standing alone. That the doctor gave them connections to grants, etc where they can enter school to gain education for next to nothing so they can get better job to support themselves & the children in the future & no longer have to stay with a partner who tells them they are "less then, a mental midget, whore, idiot, nobody else would want them, SO-OOOOOOO stupid they couldn't learn if college were FREE!!!".
Hearing that Dr.Faughey helped their partner to leave their sorry butt behind would make them turn all their anger & desperation onto the good doctor, wouldn't it? That sure would create the RAGE the killer was in while using that meat cleaver! Whoever the killer was, I do not think it was a person just off the street without a connection, not a crime of opportunity. This killer was acting out something personal, a real RAGE!
Could be wrong. Remember my 1st feeling was the killer was a patient who was denied sex reassignment surgery by Dr.Faughey. I thought that was the reason cops are having difficult time locating suspect, they could be looking for woman who was living last 12-18 months as a man. During that period they would have taken hormones to prepare for upcoming surgery. But they MUST have a positive psch report to get ok'd for surgery or surgery will not be performed. But family of patient may not know this & would consider this person a female. Perhaps they do not live near each other but have heard person speak of their "friend Faughey" & because the person is female & not ever know to be violent, they are the ONLY reasons the family is "NOT" contacting the police in this investigation.
I hope soon the cops are allowed to see all of Dr.Faughey's patient record files, both men & women & look into them & all of her family friends & Associates. My daughter said she heard a report that Dr.Faughey did not keep a patient record on some people that sought her professional help, due to privacy concerns. Is that true? Seems very unprofessional to me! It was reported on last evenings Greta Van Susteran show by person who took over show while she was on assignment. That show is on cable FNC. This will create a hurdle the investigater's must get over.
I was away from screen between the time I typed the last comment & when I hit send....obviously! I had no idea they had zero'd in on a suspect who fits description. Looks like I was right at 1st when I thought suspect was a patient upset with choice she made but offbase on fact he was transgender & she ko'd surgery.I'm going to scroll backwards & get caught up!!!
We got a name.
Although he has not yet been arrested, police picked up David Tarloff, 39, at his home in Corona early today and took him to the 19th Precinct station house for questioning.
Police sources said Tarloff was a patient of Dr. Kent Shinbach, a psychiatrist who survived the vicious slashing rampage on Tuesday night. Shinbach once had Tarloff committed to a mental institution, sources said.
http://tinyurl.com/3yzrtd
I'm guessing those were his mother's clothes, slippers and diapers in that bag. Norman Batesish.
David Tarloff
99** 60Th Ave
Flushing, New York
11368-4442
I don't understand why he would go after Faughey if he was Dr. Shinbach's patient.
Interesting bit about the mother. Dr. Shinbach's specialty was Geriatric Psychiatry (per google search). I wonder if there's a connection there, if the mother was being treated by Shinbach.
From what I understood, Faughey treated mostly women, so I'm kind of doubting this guy would have been her patient.
But, if it was Shinbach that sent him to a mental institution, then why would he kill Faughy and leave Shinbach to live?
I think the cops have their man this time. His neighbors say that he was a very angry person...crazy-looking. He fought with his mother alot.
His screams "Nobody is helping me" would match him being a patient. I agree with Diane that he could have easily gotten the clothing from his mother who was sent to a retirement home 2-3 weeks ago.
He fits the description, everything seems to be adding up. I think this guy is the killer! I wish they would release his photo.
I am a portrait artist and have an 'eye' for faces and features, and if I had seen the sketch of the suspect and then saw the man from PA that the police questioned, I would quickly say that the man from PA looks very much like the man in the drawing. Individual features are so similar... overall, it is hard to do a drawing from an eye witness's description, but taking into account the usual slight differences that may occur, this drawing is almost a dead ringer with the guy from Bethlehem.
But Carol, we saw on the surveillance video that the killer had a huge bald spot. Kunsman had a full head of hair. That was enough for me to dismiss him, although I understand what you're saying. I feel terribly sorry that the guy has been tied to this horrific murder.
jamie0168, according to the NYPost article thefirstdiane posted, Tarloff's mother was sent to a retirement home 2 - 3 YEARS ago (not weeks). Norman Bate-ish indeed.
I agree with Sandra. The first suspect is not the killer. If you want to see someone who looks like the sketch, check out Steve's photo of the sex offender.
I wonder if he first saw Faughey as her patient and then she referred him over to Shinbach for meds or something and they were both involved in getting him hospitalized. Maybe he would have killed Shinbach as well if he had the chance.
My bad, Sandra. You're right. It was years.
You just have to wonder what he said to Faughey in the 19 minutes that they were alone and she wasn't screaming. Can you imagine?
But he did have the chance to kill Shinbach! That's what I don't get. He reportedly stole his wallet, looked at his driver's license and told him "I know where you live" before he fled.
The details are too murky right now. I hope this all gets cleared up soon, but at least we know with a reasonable level of certainty that they have the right guy in custody.
Actually, Sandra, if you think about it, the killer knew that the patient he'd spoken to in the waiting room was going to see Shinbach. So, he must have known that the patient was still in Shinbach's office when Shinbach came to the rescue. The killer would have known that he'd have to tie up his loose ends and get out of there as quick as possible.
So conclusively, he really didn't have time to kill Shinbach, atleast not with his caveman-like weapons.
Another thing that doesn't add up is that Shinbach did not recognize the killer when he was attacked. Don't you think you would recognize your own patient?
Maybe he was waiting for Shinbach, who was busy with a patient. Dr. Faughey lets a patient out and he just went for the Opportunity. If I was cornered in an office with a psycho I'd try to act real calm and talk my way out of the situation while attempting to keep cool and in control. Like I said earlier, I don't think it's obvious that she was an intended victim. Could be but also may not be. And if he was pissed at Shinbach why didn't he finish him off? Because the guy is NUTS! Maybe he fantasized they were married. Haven't read the latest on the Queens guy but seems they got their guy.
NY times is reporting that Shinbach was his patient 15 years ago. Dr. probably didn't recognize after all that time. I'm sure the guy has aged, heavier, balding...
Can't make sense as to why he went after Dr. Faughey. Presser in 20 minutes. Fox is going to cover it.
'bout time.
Yeah--check out the NY Times article. I can't link it because my mouse is broken.
He flipped on a security guard while visiting a patient in critical care. Mom?
His world was falling apart.
The cops should have sent him to a psych ER instead of to jail.
No one is helping him? He probably wasn't lying. NYS emptied their hospitals long ago.
Arrest-Tarloff's own words, forensics, video, witnesses place Tarloff at the scene.
He must have been a taxi or limo driver. They found his Corona address off a application for that type of license.
Why clothing & items- don't know why. Why did he attack the Dr- He intended to rob Shinbach and not harm Faughey.
Hmmm, he was going to rob Shinbach and leave the country with his mother. IMO, sounds like that's what the duct tape & rope was for, kidnapping.
Shinbach was involved with his commitment in 1991.
OK. Here's my take. In his warped mind he would be able to get $ from Shinbach to get out of dodge with his mother. That's what the items in the suitcase were for, the robbery, kidnapping and clothes for mom.
Poor Dr. Faughey ended up in the middle of this delusional plot because she shared office space with Shinbach.
I'm so confused. He meant simply to rob Shinbach? Why? Why would he kill Faughey if she had nothing to do with his intentions?
The suitcase contents make perfect sense if he was planning on leaving the country with his mother and rob Shinbach.
Well, I'm glad they caught him. I sure wish they would release his picture. I'm so sick of looking at that sketch.
Jamie, once he started talking he thought better of it and lawyered up. So I'm assuming they weren't able to question him further about the attack on her.
the waiting begins yet again.
Kunsman personal problems are now all over the Internet for all to read. That has to be a terrible feeling for him and his wife. Ugh, I can't imagine.
This still doesn't make sense to me. He was Shinbach's patient 15+ years ago, he goes to rob him, and before doing so ends up hacking poor Faughey to death?
Just because he said he went to rob Shinbach does not make it so in my mind. The guy had the presence of mind to request a lawyer? There must've been some kind of Faughey connection in order for it to make sense in my mind. Some past perceived slight? Some reminder of his mother? It was such a brutally personal attack, I just cannot fathom a simple 'robbery gone bad' scenario with all those knives and a meat cleaver!
Sadly, this sorry excuse for a human being is going to claim insanity. And so it dawns on me...'no one's helping me', so he goes and kills a helpless Faughey in order to be institutionalized? Ugh, this is infuriating to me...this shouldn't have happened.
Sandra,
Where do you get that this was a robbery? Because he grabbed some cash on the way out?
nycyn, I haven't looked at the latest online news reports, but that's what was said at the news conference earlier this evening. I watched it on TV. He told LE he planned on robbing Shinbach and using the money to leave the country with his mother.
I think that he likely had an elaborate plan in his mind about the kidnapping and robbery (of more than $90), and it did not include Dr. Faughey. She got in the way of his plan and he did away with her. If that patient had been there to see Dr. Faughey, thus freeing up Dr. Shinbach for the kidnapping, Dr. Faghey may still be alive. It was when the female patient went in to see Dr. Shinbach that he attacked Dr. Faughey.
Thank God the adult diaper thing is solved, that had me puzzled. I suppose they were for mom.
And yes, very Batesish!
Jamie, here's a link to an NYT article with his picture: http://snipurl.com/1zt0w
I read an article yesterday where the neighbors in the suspects Queens apt buiding said "he was ecentric, not like the rest of us, use to scream at his poor mother, just walked around the building but was not like us". They said his mother was dead! How was this guy going to rob Shinbach, & make a clean getaway with mom who is DEAD? This guy would require more for that job than the adult size diapers & female clothes in the suitcases!
There are 3 victims in this senseless attack, Dr.Faughey who was in the wrong place at the wrong time & lost her life for no reason. Dr.Shinbach who was attacked by a madman & former patient. Willaim Kunsman, who was a friend of both Faughey & her husband. This poor man has had his face shown on tv & newspapers, with facts about him that include his mental health problems, jobs he has held & pay he received! reason for dismisal, where he lives & they enjoyed reporting that the adult diapers found in suitcases were hard to find brand BUT they sold locally in area Kunsman lived.
Now that William Kunsman has been proven to be the friend he claimed to be & not a meat cleaver killer.... why doesn't somebody go there & say they are sorry & TAPE THAT! Wouldn't that be some refreshing & honest tv news for a change? They don't mind USING people when it suites them but after they ruin them....in my opinion they just leave them in the dust.
I told Sarah last night that Kunsman reminded me of Richard Jewel. I really feel sorry for that guy & his wife. Even though he did not do this crime, he was out of work & his mental health problems have become PUBLIC knowledge & that will not help him on job interviews. I hope somebody like GLORIA ALRED contacts him & helps guide him into a multi million dollar settlement!
I haven't seen the article where it said that the mom was dead. All the ones I've seen say she's still in the nursing home.
http://tinyurl.com/2f34nc
Now that I have had some time to think about this tragic crime, and have done some follow up reading on David Tarloff, I feel really sad.
I am sad that a vibrant life was taken so senselessly. I am sad that there is someone badly injured for merely doing his job as a doctor. I feel sad fot David Tarloff, who has been living with schizophrenia for nigh on 20 years. I feel sad for David's father and siblings for having to give answers to media about something completely out of their control. I feel sad for William Kunsman for having his life paraded in front of us.
The link is an article where the father of David Tarloff speaks about his son and the long struggle to find help for him. The courts had released David just 10 days before this event stating he was not a threat to others or himself.
The poor guy didn't even know he had harmed or killed anyone. There must be a better way for our civilization to deal with those that have mental illness. It is not their fault they are mentally ill. It is not the families fault that they are related to someone mentally ill. It is not the families fault that their hands are tied by the law to not be more involved in care and treatment of the mentally ill. It is more societie's fault for not yet finding a satisfactory and humane solution to protect these individuals from sinking so far into their psychosis.
I wish we could discover the answers for the mentally ill.
I also felt bad when they went to interview the father of the kid that killed in Illinois last week. He was devastated, you could plainly see. He wanted to grieve for his lost son (mind and body). But we all wanted a glimpse at what would make someone shoot into a room full of people and then kill themself.
The problem is both of these individuals, like many with mental illness, quit taking their meds. I don't want the mentally ill locked up and getting shock treatments, et al if they can live amongst the rest of the world without violence. But the meds are the key to this.
You would think they could come up with some kind of internal medicine dispenser like diabetics can have to insure the meds are taken every day. Something that can easily insert under the skin that will time release their drugs. Cripes, they have it for diabetics, they have it for birth control, why can't they have it for the mentally ill?
Yeah. The mentally ill are screwed.
Welcome to America.
We are all collateral on this bus.
Yeah, this is truly sad in every way possible. So many people are being hurt because of America's inability to treat this poor man's condition.
I do know what it's like to have to take medication for a long time, feel better, and then stop taking it, thinking that you're okay. My condition is epilepsy. Alot of people don't understand why stop taking medication when it starts to work. It's hard to explain.
I feel so bad for every family involved in this terrible situation.
My cousin has epilepsy, and he hated taking his meds. They made him feel like he was outside of the living world. He would consume mass amounts of alcohol instead. Later in life he learned that wasn't going to work either and now as much as he hates it, he takes his meds. But, I can understand not taking it if you're feeling great! You think, ah, I don't need this anymore, I feel great.
My brother was mentally ill. I had to have him committed in the mid 90's before his death in 2000. My parents were both dead, so it was up to his siblings to care for him. I didn't mind caring for him the short time he lived with his illness. But, luckily when he came out of the hospital, they had set up a counselor where I live and had started the disability paper work. I told him if he didn't go to the counselor every month and take his meds everyday the disability checks would stop coming and he'd have no money. That worked! But, he was not violent, just delusional with accute depression. So, I guess his meds made him feel ok and more "normal". Or maybe he just didn't want to be penniless?!?
It is so complicated about meds. I take meds for depression and thyroid. I'm on a bunch of other meds but I never miss those because I know the consequences and I'm not willing to tolerate them. Not for a minute.
Bipolars miss the high, or mania. Schizophrenics? I don't know--maybe stigma? They need intensive case management; it's the nature of the illness.
It could be done, but hey...
OK. I'm not going to go on a rant.
And epilepsy? There is something that doctors don't tell epileptics--you should not be alone especially post-seizure. One's brain can shut down the breathing mechanism.
This happened to a 30'ish woman who was important to me as she was the biological mother of my son. She went to rest and then her husband and kids found her dead.
I don't know a lot about this group, but they seem to be the only ones out there--FAMI, or Families (Friends?)& Advocates for the Mentally Ill.
"God bless us every one."
I know of the group NAMI, National Alliance for the Mentally Ill. They are the group that helped me to get my brother committed. They are a wonderful organization that are there to help the families of the mentally ill. They can get some of the red tape cut when need be. A non-profit, manned by volunteers who have been in the same spot you may find yourself one day. You may also see this on your phone caller ID, they are looking for clothing or household goods donations. A worthy cause. A great organization. One worthy of considering a donation.
Thanks for the heads up. I have ton of stuff I need to give away.
Over and out for me.
Regards to all.
C
Update: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23909115/
How in the world was this guy left to be responsible for himself, i.e., "Police said in court papers filed Tuesday that Tarloff told them he had been in mental hospitals 21 times, the last time an involuntary commitment in Staten Island Hospital."
CRAZY!
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