I completely disagree. I got the impression that the general view was it was disillusioned ex-Labour voters who were voting BNP, for the reasons given -- the BNP are hardly prospering in the Home Counties.
For example this article, which actually says it's not all ex-Labour voters, but the point being this is seen a surprising result.
http://www.irr.org.uk/2004/april...l/
ak000015.html
I completely disagree. I got the impression that the general view was it was disillusioned ex-Labour voters who were voting BNP, for the reasons given -- the BNP are hardly prospering in the Home Counties.
For example this article, which actually says it's not all ex-Labour voters, but the point being this is seen a surprising result.
http://www.irr.org.uk/2004/april...l/
ak000015.html
Disillusioned Tories of course vote for Ukip!
Disillusioned Tories of course vote for Ukip!
I think the BNP draws its support from previous supporters of all three parties, as well as quite a lot of former non-voters. However, I suspect it draws more support away from Labour than from the other parties.
I think the BNP draws its support from previous supporters of all three parties, as well as quite a lot of former non-voters. However, I suspect it draws more support away from Labour than from the other parties.
Labour's core voters have no time for multi-culturalism, and never have. When they find that English is a minority language at their children's school, they are not amused. When it becomed clear that one minority group regards Unbelievers as "white trash", to be reduced to the status of second class citizens in their own country, they are even less amused.
Labour's core voters have no time for multi-culturalism, and never have. When they find that English is a minority language at their children's school, they are not amused. When it becomed clear that one minority group regards Unbelievers as "white trash", to be reduced to the status of second class citizens in their own country, they are even less amused.
Oh, I don't know...Who could deny that the British upper classes are both unbelievers and white trash?
Oh, I don't know...Who could deny that the British upper classes are both unbelievers and white trash?
Left-wing racist anti-capitalists moving from left-wing parties to national socialist parties? In Europe?
Unheard of.
Left-wing racist anti-capitalists moving from left-wing parties to national socialist parties? In Europe?
Unheard of.
"What are the local issues that most affect people? These are not always the issues we think are important or would like people to think are important. Most of the time they involve matters such as anti-social behaviour, crime or a specific local service. We need to develop strategies that neutralise these as potential BNP issues."
All good stuff. Trouble is most committed anti-fascists also think criminals are just oppressed chaps protesting against the system. Clause 28 bothers them more than violent crime (except 'hate crime' of course - that's different). Can't see them calling for tougher sentences or more police, can you ?
And if the Left had taken more notice of what the despised 'respectable' working class thought, there wouldn't be a BNP to worry about. They are a symptom of the failure of both Labour and Tories.
"What are the local issues that most affect people? These are not always the issues we think are important or would like people to think are important. Most of the time they involve matters such as anti-social behaviour, crime or a specific local service. We need to develop strategies that neutralise these as potential BNP issues."
All good stuff. Trouble is most committed anti-fascists also think criminals are just oppressed chaps protesting against the system. Clause 28 bothers them more than violent crime (except 'hate crime' of course - that's different). Can't see them calling for tougher sentences or more police, can you ?
And if the Left had taken more notice of what the despised 'respectable' working class thought, there wouldn't be a BNP to worry about. They are a symptom of the failure of both Labour and Tories.
"And if the Left had taken more notice of what the despised 'respectable' working class thought, there wouldn't be a BNP to worry about. "
Laban, can you justify this absurd statement?
"And if the Left had taken more notice of what the despised 'respectable' working class thought, there wouldn't be a BNP to worry about. "
Laban, can you justify this absurd statement?
How is that absurd? It's common sense, and consistent with all we know of the history of the far-right in this country: when Labour governments come in and immigration soars, as in the late 1960s, late 1970s and now, the far-right does well. When mainstream politicians like Heath, Wilson and Thatcher promise to solve it, and act on it, the far-right disappears.
How is that absurd? It's common sense, and consistent with all we know of the history of the far-right in this country: when Labour governments come in and immigration soars, as in the late 1960s, late 1970s and now, the far-right does well. When mainstream politicians like Heath, Wilson and Thatcher promise to solve it, and act on it, the far-right disappears.
The BNP is a socialist party and un-Conservative so it's not surprising that former Old Labour voters are voting for the BNP because of New Labour embracing capitalism.
The BNP is a socialist party and un-Conservative so it's not surprising that former Old Labour voters are voting for the BNP because of New Labour embracing capitalism.
The Labour Party in Parliament has been moving away from its core and founding constituency-- unionised workers and their families-- ever since the 1945 landslide, when for the first time a majority of Labour MPs were middle class. Once in, their cognitive superiority over the old Buggins's Turn type of Labour man rapidly ensured hegemony.
Today an overwhelming majority of the PLP hails from the graduate salariat and professions: mainly from that very narrow subset of it directed towards careerism in politics, which includes "researchers", "advisers", "aides", lobbyists, hacks, etc. Grauniad Sits Vac folk...
The Labour Party in Parliament has been moving away from its core and founding constituency-- unionised workers and their families-- ever since the 1945 landslide, when for the first time a majority of Labour MPs were middle class. Once in, their cognitive superiority over the old Buggins's Turn type of Labour man rapidly ensured hegemony.
Today an overwhelming majority of the PLP hails from the graduate salariat and professions: mainly from that very narrow subset of it directed towards careerism in politics, which includes "researchers", "advisers", "aides", lobbyists, hacks, etc. Grauniad Sits Vac folk...
...The Labour Party long since ceased to be of the horny-handed sons of toil, and in many respects is no longer even for it. By contrast, the Poujadiste BNP appeals both to white proles trapped in multiracial hellholes and to those who have clambered out of the mess into the petit bourgeoisie but who fear that the black and brown stain is creeping towards their mortgaged homes.
The BNP has begun to poll well in council elections in semi-rural exurban settlements (e.g. Broxbourne) as well as in enclaves of white flight within towns such as Halifax and Dagenham. It has plenty of scope to seduce both Labour voters and-- if UKIP remains fractious-- Tories who have written off the party's chances.
OTOH, if the Tories listen to me and go for big tax cuts....
...The Labour Party long since ceased to be of the horny-handed sons of toil, and in many respects is no longer even for it. By contrast, the Poujadiste BNP appeals both to white proles trapped in multiracial hellholes and to those who have clambered out of the mess into the petit bourgeoisie but who fear that the black and brown stain is creeping towards their mortgaged homes.
The BNP has begun to poll well in council elections in semi-rural exurban settlements (e.g. Broxbourne) as well as in enclaves of white flight within towns such as Halifax and Dagenham. It has plenty of scope to seduce both Labour voters and-- if UKIP remains fractious-- Tories who have written off the party's chances.
OTOH, if the Tories listen to me and go for big tax cuts....
This is absurd:
"And if the Left had taken more notice of what the despised 'respectable' working class thought, there wouldn't be a BNP to worry about"
Because the BNP took 0.2% of the vote in the last general election. Let's say the 'despised 'respectable' working class' (whatever that means) are half the working class, that's say 25% of people. Even if all BNP voters came from that segment of the population only 0.8% voted for the BNP.
This is absurd:
"And if the Left had taken more notice of what the despised 'respectable' working class thought, there wouldn't be a BNP to worry about"
Because the BNP took 0.2% of the vote in the last general election. Let's say the 'despised 'respectable' working class' (whatever that means) are half the working class, that's say 25% of people. Even if all BNP voters came from that segment of the population only 0.8% voted for the BNP.
I suggest you do some canvassing basically anywhere in the country if you doubt BNP votes are simply the tip of a very large iceberg. I've campaigned in the North East, West and East Midlands and all over Berkshire and Surrey in this last year and I hear the same messages on asylum and immigration again and again. It comes up on the doorstep more than any other issue, and I note from recent newspaper reports how common this experience is. The opinion polls reflect these levels of public concern.
I suggest you do some canvassing basically anywhere in the country if you doubt BNP votes are simply the tip of a very large iceberg. I've campaigned in the North East, West and East Midlands and all over Berkshire and Surrey in this last year and I hear the same messages on asylum and immigration again and again. It comes up on the doorstep more than any other issue, and I note from recent newspaper reports how common this experience is. The opinion polls reflect these levels of public concern.
People are free to vote for the BNP, and they don't. I think on these issues you have a tendency to project.
By the way do you mean Wilson, Harold Wilson? You do realise that he was a Labour PM, don't you?
People are free to vote for the BNP, and they don't. I think on these issues you have a tendency to project.
By the way do you mean Wilson, Harold Wilson? You do realise that he was a Labour PM, don't you?
I'm not sure what you mean about project, and yes, I mean Harold Wilson. He and Heath responded to the issues Powell raised by a dramatic tightening of the borders.
I'm not sure what you mean about project, and yes, I mean Harold Wilson. He and Heath responded to the issues Powell raised by a dramatic tightening of the borders.
I have to agree with Peter
As a canndidate in inner city Glasgow at the last election I can ssure you that the major topic on the doorstep was immigration.
It seems that there were two reasons for this
1 - There really is a serious problem and people on housing schemes resent asylum seekers and others being given priority on new flats etc by people that they have hithertoo regarded as their representatives (labour councillors).
2 - I am a Tory and they felt that they could talk to me about this subject matter without being denounced as a racist for daring to bring it up.
The reason why I mention that last point is that in hustings the subject was brought up, and all bar the Scottish socialist candidates, yes Labour, Scots nats, Lib Dem denied that anybody had mentioned immigration during the campaign. With me it was at least 2 in 3.
I have to agree with Peter
As a canndidate in inner city Glasgow at the last election I can ssure you that the major topic on the doorstep was immigration.
It seems that there were two reasons for this
1 - There really is a serious problem and people on housing schemes resent asylum seekers and others being given priority on new flats etc by people that they have hithertoo regarded as their representatives (labour councillors).
2 - I am a Tory and they felt that they could talk to me about this subject matter without being denounced as a racist for daring to bring it up.
The reason why I mention that last point is that in hustings the subject was brought up, and all bar the Scottish socialist candidates, yes Labour, Scots nats, Lib Dem denied that anybody had mentioned immigration during the campaign. With me it was at least 2 in 3.
I also hope you pointed out that there are less than 6,000 ayslum seekers in Glasgow, they are there (except for about 1,000) because the government places them there and Glasgow is the only city in Scotland that accepts them, and that they are only housed in public housing that cannot be let to citizens.
I hope you also pointed out that Scotland's non-white population is about 1% of the total, and even in Glasgow it's only 5%, almost all of whom are British citizens.
It's important that people are aware of the facts. An opinion poll showed that Briton's overestimated the country's non-white population by a factor of 4 (25% to 6%).
I also hope you pointed out that there are less than 6,000 ayslum seekers in Glasgow, they are there (except for about 1,000) because the government places them there and Glasgow is the only city in Scotland that accepts them, and that they are only housed in public housing that cannot be let to citizens.
I hope you also pointed out that Scotland's non-white population is about 1% of the total, and even in Glasgow it's only 5%, almost all of whom are British citizens.
It's important that people are aware of the facts. An opinion poll showed that Briton's overestimated the country's non-white population by a factor of 4 (25% to 6%).
The uneducated tend to flip thier voting quite radically from left to right but in reality there is no real difference between the socialists of the left and the socialists of the right as both are hugely illiberal and both betray the nations heritage of tolerance.
The uneducated tend to flip thier voting quite radically from left to right but in reality there is no real difference between the socialists of the left and the socialists of the right as both are hugely illiberal and both betray the nations heritage of tolerance.
I think the liberal democrats are pretty extreme but it seems to go unnoticed...remember charles kennedy mingling with the likes of george galloway and andrew murray (communist, stalinist)and jenny tonge`s fantasies about one day strapping explosives to herself so she could go and murder a bunch of kids on their way to school?
Now now lib dem MP`s..musn`t let the mask of respectability slip.
I think the liberal democrats are pretty extreme but it seems to go unnoticed...remember charles kennedy mingling with the likes of george galloway and andrew murray (communist, stalinist)and jenny tonge`s fantasies about one day strapping explosives to herself so she could go and murder a bunch of kids on their way to school?
Now now lib dem MP`s..musn`t let the mask of respectability slip.
In Barking and Dagenham, the BNP have won 31%, 52%, and 38% in the last three local by-elections, way above the sort of vote the NF was getting in the seventies.
Though the success of the BNP is localised, there's no doubt that Peter's view about the voters' concerns on immigration is correct.
In Barking and Dagenham, the BNP have won 31%, 52%, and 38% in the last three local by-elections, way above the sort of vote the NF was getting in the seventies.
Though the success of the BNP is localised, there's no doubt that Peter's view about the voters' concerns on immigration is correct.
The so called 'voters concerns on immigration' are just the usual delusional gibberings of the uneducated masses. No one with any intelligence should pay it any attention let alone pander to it in order to grub for votes and power. The voters are wrong about immigration and their views, in so far as they make any sense at all, should properly be treated with lofty disdain. The 'concerns' of the voters can be safely ignored, as indeed they always are.
The so called 'voters concerns on immigration' are just the usual delusional gibberings of the uneducated masses. No one with any intelligence should pay it any attention let alone pander to it in order to grub for votes and power. The voters are wrong about immigration and their views, in so far as they make any sense at all, should properly be treated with lofty disdain. The 'concerns' of the voters can be safely ignored, as indeed they always are.
Unfortunately for your theory, they are the ones who actually have the votes.
It would be possible to construct a libertarian political party, along the lines of the German Free Democrats - the only problem is that you'd end up with a Free Democrat vote share (5-7%).
Unfortunately for your theory, they are the ones who actually have the votes.
It would be possible to construct a libertarian political party, along the lines of the German Free Democrats - the only problem is that you'd end up with a Free Democrat vote share (5-7%).
I doubt I'd get anything like as high a vote share as 5-7% if the voters heard my views.
That of course is of no consequence as voting is utterly irrelevant. The masters of the state are in thrall to ideology not the electorate. Society is shaped and changed by discussion amongst the intellectual elite. What the voters think about things is not now, hasn't ever been and never will be of even the smallest consequence. Their heads are filled with nonsensical rubbish.
I doubt I'd get anything like as high a vote share as 5-7% if the voters heard my views.
That of course is of no consequence as voting is utterly irrelevant. The masters of the state are in thrall to ideology not the electorate. Society is shaped and changed by discussion amongst the intellectual elite. What the voters think about things is not now, hasn't ever been and never will be of even the smallest consequence. Their heads are filled with nonsensical rubbish.
I don't know if you follow the "Alex" cartoon strip in the Telegraph's City Pages. There's one sequence where he stands as a Conservative candidate in a no-hope seat and wins 12 votes, and declares "I'm pleased that my values remain reassuringly exclusive."
I don't know if you follow the "Alex" cartoon strip in the Telegraph's City Pages. There's one sequence where he stands as a Conservative candidate in a no-hope seat and wins 12 votes, and declares "I'm pleased that my values remain reassuringly exclusive."
Parties do not own their voters. It's ludicrous to say that if a large number of voters, who have previously voted for one party, then go on to vote for another, then the first party is to blame for the vote of the second having risen.
Parties do not own their voters. It's ludicrous to say that if a large number of voters, who have previously voted for one party, then go on to vote for another, then the first party is to blame for the vote of the second having risen.
I did better than Alex then Sean. When I did stand for Parliamnet in the 1992 General election I got a magnificent 125 votes. That was before I had fully realised the futility of democracy.
I noticed your name Sean standing in the local elections in London earlier in the year on some bit of canvassing rubbish pushed through my door. Did you get in?
I did better than Alex then Sean. When I did stand for Parliamnet in the 1992 General election I got a magnificent 125 votes. That was before I had fully realised the futility of democracy.
I noticed your name Sean standing in the local elections in London earlier in the year on some bit of canvassing rubbish pushed through my door. Did you get in?
I was 21st on the London list, so alas, I was unsuccessful.
I was 21st on the London list, so alas, I was unsuccessful.
Paul,
Do you mean that the average Englishman's desire to live a life untroubled by foreigners is wrong and should be ignored?
Or do you mean that the elite ignore him anyway, so democracy is a scam?
Or do you mean that you can't get enough votes for your views so democracy is, obviously, a scam?
Matthew,
I wonder what your answer to question 1 really is. Are you keen on the Multi-Cult? Do you celebrate diversity? Do you know from what civil conflict is constructed? Have you, as a result of public sector employment, merely attended too many PeeCee diversity seminars?
Paul,
Do you mean that the average Englishman's desire to live a life untroubled by foreigners is wrong and should be ignored?
Or do you mean that the elite ignore him anyway, so democracy is a scam?
Or do you mean that you can't get enough votes for your views so democracy is, obviously, a scam?
Matthew,
I wonder what your answer to question 1 really is. Are you keen on the Multi-Cult? Do you celebrate diversity? Do you know from what civil conflict is constructed? Have you, as a result of public sector employment, merely attended too many PeeCee diversity seminars?
The average Englishman has no such desire G.W.
I suppose if like Paul you believe there should be no (or next-to-no) government, then nationality is only an artificial construct, and we're in the Will Self realms of being a citizen of an archipelago that happens to be called Britain.
As for the rest, I've never worked in the public sector, as far as I can remember.
The average Englishman has no such desire G.W.
I suppose if like Paul you believe there should be no (or next-to-no) government, then nationality is only an artificial construct, and we're in the Will Self realms of being a citizen of an archipelago that happens to be called Britain.
As for the rest, I've never worked in the public sector, as far as I can remember.
Matt,
Do you seriously contend that the English wish to be invaded?
Will Self is Jewish. I would welcome Jews who can wholeheartedly support the survival of Christianity and the European peoples. Not sure Will is one of them. Salad bowl enthusiasm is common among intellectually right-wing Jews. Gentile nationalism is not. Zionism on the other hand ...
Paul's anarcho-capitalist libertarianism, meanwhile, is lettuce with gunfire. I keep berating the lad for having no understanding of the mechanics of human consciousness and, therefore, no understanding that his notion of liberty is without foundation. All anarchism suffers in this respect. The critique of capitalism as waged slavery, common among anarchists, is similarly shallow.
I worry that he may be too highly intelligent to grasp my meaning as, indeed, I worry that you lack the heart to do likewise.
Matt,
Do you seriously contend that the English wish to be invaded?
Will Self is Jewish. I would welcome Jews who can wholeheartedly support the survival of Christianity and the European peoples. Not sure Will is one of them. Salad bowl enthusiasm is common among intellectually right-wing Jews. Gentile nationalism is not. Zionism on the other hand ...
Paul's anarcho-capitalist libertarianism, meanwhile, is lettuce with gunfire. I keep berating the lad for having no understanding of the mechanics of human consciousness and, therefore, no understanding that his notion of liberty is without foundation. All anarchism suffers in this respect. The critique of capitalism as waged slavery, common among anarchists, is similarly shallow.
I worry that he may be too highly intelligent to grasp my meaning as, indeed, I worry that you lack the heart to do likewise.
Its guys like Matthew that are driving people into the arms of the BNP.
No matter how much we protest about immigration people like him in all 3 of the main political parties will always claim average/normal "Englishmen" dont really care about the issue. Leaving people forced to consider the BNP simply to get the message across.
When I did stand for Parliamnet in the 1992 General election I got a magnificent 125 votes. That was before I had fully realised the futility of democracy.
You mean your conclusion that people are stupid came after they utterly rejected your views? I am astonished.
I would welcome Jews who can wholeheartedly support the survival of Christianity and the European peoples.
That's an interesting position to take, given the centuries of Europeans and Christians trying to eliminate the Jews.
And given European birth rates, surely looking for some Europeans/Christians who wholeeartedly support the survival of a Christian Europe should be a higher priority than canvassing Jews about the same issue?
"That's an interesting position to take, given the centuries of Europeans and Christians trying to eliminate the Jews."
There is absolutely nothing unusual about that. European Christians spent centuries killing off other Christians in Europe when the others were deemed to believe in the wrong kind of Christianity. Try:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huguenot
http://www.pipeline.com/~cwa/TYWHome.htm
http://www.pensacola.com/~rbethk...thke/
Armada.htm
Bob:
You've made my point for me. With Europe's Christians' long history of killing each other, guarding against Jewish attempts to bring about the same seems somewhat pointless.
No matter how much we protest about immigration people like him in all 3 of the main political parties will always claim average/normal "Englishmen" dont really care about the issue.
Or they claim that anyone who does is a fascist/racist/evil right wing bastard.
Colt,
Periodic persecution of minorities in Europe has been a regular practice for many centuries so there is nothing unusual in persecuting jews instead of Christian sects for various heretical deviations, witches for alleged paganism or satanism or kulaks for introducing better farming practices. Galileo was put under house arrest for publicising his observations which led him to support the heretical belief that the earth is in orbit around the sun and he wasn't exonerated for expounding that heresy until 1992. Now I don't subscribe to notions of historical determinism but it is quite extraordinary how the same tendencies are still with us.
Old traditions die hard in Europe.
The fact is that Britain has always been multicultural, as Daniel Defoe duly celebrated in his deliciously satirical poem: The True-Born Englishman (1701): http://www.blackmask.com/
books63...trueborneng.htm
The wise are apt to conclude that Britain's historic tradition in Europe of greater tolerance towards minorities might well have been a significant contributing factor to its pioneering industrial revolution as well as to its robust traditions of political pluralism, at least until recently.
I bought a book by Nick Cohen called, "Pretty Straight Guys", thinking that it was a right wing attack on Tony Blair. Much to my dismay I discovered that it was a left wing attack on Tony Blair.
Has anyone else read this book?
I read it a year ago, Al, and enjoyed it, especially his chapters on financial markets and so on. Cohen has a very different political perspective than I do, but I think he's probably Britain's best left-wing journalist.
The bits on asylum and crime also made me think much more of Tony Blair. Michael Howard deserves most credit for destroying the cross-party liberal consensus on law and order, but Cohen did convince me Blair certainly helped. It is likely Blair's greatest domestic legacy.
Yes even that great illiberal Cromwell quietly encouraged the settlment of jews in London, mainly because he believed the second coming would not arise with out the jews populating every country. but still immigration back then could be in large numbers the flemish weavers the hugos from france but then with small government and no placing immigrants into large gettos and thus encouraging integration, perhaps further prove that big government has created a problem that didn't exist before
I wasnt especially aware the govt had been placing people into ghettos in the UK at any time. Immigrants tend to self-sort. Protestant (Flemish & Hugenot) europeans may have started off in ghettos but history down to the present day tells us that assimilation was possible. The Flemish & Hugenot arrivals dont give any guide as to how to assimilate eg central asian muslims.
You have a point. The Huguenots were a persecuted minority in 16th and 17th century France so there were powerful enough incentives to assimilate as migrants to Britain. But then Britain was a protestant country and whatever its failings, by the early 18th century Britain had already earned something of an international reputation as a free country, which tolerated diversity and where the notion of the divine right of monarchs to rule had been decisively set aside.
Voltaire, an admitted atheist, living in England 1726-9, proclaimed his country of exile, a "land of liberty" [Hoppit: A Land of Liberty (OUP)]. It's worth remembering too that Karl Marx and family, hounded from mainland Europe in 1848, could find asylum living in London for the rest of his life. There's a special irony about the arch critic of capitalism finding refuge in what was undoubtedly the foremost capitalist power of his time. Would that he had read JS Mill, a contemporary, in the British Museum Library instead of writing those turgid books.
Our population density is higher than its ever been Bob, that doesnt mean we should become fortress Britain but it does mean we might well need a more careful policy than they did years ago. Surely?
Dave - With the transportation capacity of modern means of international travel, no state can can take an entirely laissez-faire approach to actual or potential migration flows across its national borders because of the social costs and tensions that can generate.
I just don't regard xenophobia as a good starting point for deciding on migration policy, especially when it is deliberately fanned to generate hysteria in order to attract votes. On official figures, ethnic minorities comprise 30% of London's resident population and by many accounts, the London is the least intolerant of ethnic diversity among British regions, despite its relatively high rate of unemployment. As Disraeli wrote back in 1847: London is the modern Babylon - and Disraeli was the grandson of immigrants who settled in Britain.
yeah I seen you say this before about London being the least intolerant region in Britain well thats hardly supprising when 30% (1 in 3.3) of London are ethnic minorities they are hardly going to be intolerant of themselves!
So how is it a good point ?
You might say the other 2 out of 3 people arent complaining but I'd be supprised if that was 100% true, and anyway if someone is 'intolerant' of 30% of their community its a bit late to start complaining which is exactly what the politicians intended.
Anyway since you accept "no state can can take an entirely laissez-faire approach to actual or potential migration flows" the only question seems to be what are the acceptable limits?
You think it should be reduced from what it is now, if so how much ?
Voltaire was a deist, not an atheist.
Previous waves of immigration to the United Kingdom are not comparable with the one which began after the Second World War for two reasons:
(i) Numbers were far smaller.
(ii) Apart from Jews in the East End, the newcomers were Caucasoid Christians whose intelligence, morality and work ethic (except for the Catholic Irish, of course) were on a par with the host nation's.
Significant popular unrest attended the arrival of Irish and Jews. It should have been a warning to those leaders who so blithely presided over the influxes of the post-war years. Now we are reaping the whirlwind.
I always tut-tut when I hear that famous myth that the majority of the BNP voters comes from Tory ranks. As someone said above there policies are very statist and socialist in nature. I have never met a BNP member (and alas I met a few) who was formerly a Tory.
As someone said above Catholic/European persecution of Jews was nothing new. After all they turned their ire on Witches/Pagans, then Jews, then all the various other heresy's. As noxious as was it was not surprising as the church's goal was to dominate & control what they considered Christendom.
Andrew,
That is a disgraceful slur on my people. I do not wish to become involved in debating the priceless gifts Jewry has brought us. Peter would not want me to do so. But without factoring in Jewish hyper-ethnocentricity, the evils of the Talmud and the grotesque social consequences issue of Tikkun Olam among, no boubt, many other delights, you cannot properly assess the question of racial guilt.
Beware of repeating the Judaic myth of the oldest hatred. It is a lie.
Guessedworker:
You come across as a bit weird, mate.
Peter:
when Labour governments come in and immigration soars, as in the late 1960s, late 1970s
The immigration of the late 1960s and early 1970s was the product of the racist policies of Kenyan and Ugandan governments against their asian middle classes.
I don't think that East Africa has ever recovered from the expulsion of those middle classes, and the concomitant loss of infrastructure.
Think what Britain might have been if we'd taken all of those industrious, creative people.
I'm curious as to whether grimreaper, or anybody else who subscribes to ridiculous ideas like "When they find that English is a minority language at their children's school, they are not amused", actually, for instance, went to a majority-Asian school. Because I did, and hi. Please note my total lack of BNP voting, 'Islamofacism', collapse of Western civilisation, or whatever catastrophic consequence it's supposed to have this week (does anybody keep track?).
Guessedworker what are you on about? Was that directed at me?
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