merry christmas baby
Are you looking into this, the question of right wing bloggers on the take? It wouldn't surprise me in the least. Looking forward to reading the answer. Another great blog, Tony.
Any relation to Bozo the Clown?
P.S. What do you do for an encore? (Recto-cranial insertions are so retro).
Signed, Curious on the Right.
your question is absolutely correct, and it's mine: what do admitted propagandists do for an encore once theyve been outted poisoning the MSM, tv, the white house press corps, and now the iraqi press
the answer is, they get caught paying off the bloggers.
Myself, personally, I never blog stoned. But hey, that's just me .... a different breed of blogger.
000XXX000, Elmo.
Thanks so much Tony for providing info like this. You do all the research I don't have time to do!
I made a series of substantive arguments about why I believe the use of propaganda is ethical -- one of which is situated above a post making fun of John Derbyshire. Below that? A post criticizing Republicans for floating the idea of holding ethics violation hearings into Murtha's ties to his brother's consulting firm.
Your response is to intimate some sort of broad GOP conspiracy? That some of us are paid shills?
Surprised you didn't bring up the fact Stephen Green and I are both Jews, Tony. Because the Jews not only like money, but lot's of us like them neocons just a bit too much, if you catch my meaning.
Anyone who thinks you can't buy good press just doesn't know where to shop.
Thats the funny thing to me: Those guys wanna expose how bias media can be yet they are media and, likewise, bias. Just worse and less reliable and less professional, especially when it comes to the language they use.
I guess you get sucked into that we you feel you have your audience tagged, and you surround yourself with certain types.
Same goes for "left wing bloggers"
I doubt they need to pay off right wing bloggers - these folks are just as passionate, and some times as moronic, as the left wing bloggers.
But the bigger issue is Iraq - if the CIA is trying to manipulate the press, there's zero reason to believe they're not manipulating the elections with pay offs.
The Bush Admin continues to torpedo their own credibility, through no fault other than their own.
Jeff Goldstein is Jewish?
who knew?
but no, Jeff, im not saying that this is a broad GOP conspiracy - and i dont believe i even hinted at it being a broad Jewish conspiracy, but if you want to confess to something, be my guest.
but i am saying that the White House has been caught in bed with gay male hookers in the press corps, paying off conservative reporters to keep supporting their cause(s), and now paying off the Iraqi press.
never did BushCo volunteer this information to the American people. it had to get squeezed out.
if you want to think that propaganda is a good thing when America does it and a bad thing when anyone else does it, then thats your opinoin. all im saying is a careful reader right now might be thinking, "i wonder why Goldstein thinks propaganda is ok? is it because hes on the payroll - or does he really believe it?"
that sort of doubt, i believe, is troublesome to my fellow bloggers. and the last place id like to be right now is on the Pajamas Media blogroll or payroll because if BushCo has paid off all these other "journalists", the likelihood that they're paying off bloggers - namely a cadre of 70+ loyal republicans for relative chicken feed - is a pretty safe bet.
kudos for standing out on that limb and saying that murtha shouldnt be investigated for expressing serious doubt about this war. where you stand id believe you if you told me that thats a risk among your fellow righties.
when you take a bite out of the hand that feeds you - literally, then perhaps you'll gain even more respect from me. in the meantime my bullshit detector is going off like a mofo. and i hope you can see why.
$100 million to provide propaganda in iraq - a behavior you agree with
therefore $3.5 million to provide propaganda on the blogosphere? you're making me think i'm on to something, my friend.
Unsom,
they already got caught paying off conservatives who were already supporting their cause.
the idea is to reward people who wouldnt flip and rat them out - which is why Armstrong Williams gets paid.
which is why absolute loyalists like Insta, LGF and Simon are such likely suspects.
2.5 million
undisclosed donor
how long will the shitty site design stick around?
3.5 million
Aubrey Chernick and a few others.
now watch what you say
or they'll be calling you a radical ...
liberal, fanatical, criminal ....
won't you sign up your name, we'd like to feel you:re
acceptable, respectable, presentable ...
a vegetable!
i swear rolling stone magazine had this story well before the LA Times did ... but fuck ...
i'm just glad it's out there ....
wow timmay havent read RS in years. thanks!
Quoting Jeff G "Your response is to intimate some sort of broad GOP conspiracy? That some of us are paid shills?
Surprised you didn't bring up the fact Stephen Green and I are both Jews, Tony. "
Am I reading this wrong? Did Jeff just intimate that Tony is anti-semitic?
Be a nice knee-jerk reaction. Obviously, getting outed as shills (lord forbid they are objective and honest or anything...) is bad enough, but being shills who were paid off is just plain insulting I guess. And so the best he can do is intimate Tony as a rascist?
Maybe I am wrong but that is how I read it. Lmk.
personally prefer mojo magazine, but fuck it ...
someone had left a copy on the plane ride back from thanxgiving ... (it's the RS edition with boink on the cover) ....
bush admin pays for stories in iraq.
clinton admin pays for stories in kosovo
bush admin "lies" about iraq wmd
clinton admin "lies" about iraq wmd.
clinton greatest president of modern times.
bush must be impeached.
not the least bit confusing...
journalists are s'posed to be hard on the government, not paid by the government
it's really that simple ...
and the fact that bush and co. does this with so much hubris simply points straight to the FACT that they are arrogant, empty shells, or both ....
the rate at which their slippery slope is reversing backwards into the abyss is appalling, but not nearly as appalling as what they have done to america in the past five years ....
and to think they all believe they just need better "PR" ....
what a completely insane "CROCK OF SHIT"
nobody paid me to say that.
truth is it's own reward
jaysen,
yes obviously when i talk about propaganda im an anti-semite and a racist
and when i talk about a long line of admitted corruption by the bush administration dudes like Robert feel the best way to defend it is to bring up Clinton.
oh for the days when people would stay on topic, which by the way is yesterdays admission that the US Government, despite promising us in January, is still in the propaganda biz.
when Mr. Goldstein or Robert can explain to me how Righty Bloggers are above this temptation of payola from BushCo then we'll have a real discussion.
but they dont want real discussions.
they want to attack people who bring up the shortcomings of this adminstration, and they want to change the subject.
on the streetz thats called a tell - it means youve admitted defeat.
Tony, Jeff had a great interview with Jeff Gannon's c--k here: http://www.proteinwisdom.com/ind...n_cock_of_lies/
He can't be on the take.
No, Tony.
I am saying I am confused why bush is satan incarnate for doing the same things clinton did?
I sure did not hear people bitching about clinton doing these things but bush does them and holy hell. wtf? whats the difference and why is it ok to rail on bush but bow down to clinton? some would call that hypocrasy.
as for this current scenario, had the admin been paying us journalists to publish stories in the US it would merit scrutiny. We have soldiers fighting in Iraq and dying. It is a war zone. Propaganda is propaganda and has been used in war since time immemorial. Suddenly, since the US is doing it in Iraq it is wrong? If 100 million turns the minds of a few potential terrorists and saves lives, it's a good spend in my book.
looks like clinton took the same view in Kosovo. And I agree with that.
btw, I voted clinton twice.
correct answer: "because bush launched a pre-emptive war based on lies"
Robert
where on here did i say that Bush was evil?
where on here did i talk about Clinton or any other President?
read my words. please.
i said that BushCo paid off other writers. if you want to compare him to Clinton, fine... BushCo paid off way more writers than Clinton. Happy?
but the crux of this post is... and youre falling into the trap... WHO is next on the payroll. i am saying that Bloggers are next.
youre falling for the trap because youre saying that Propoganda during war = good.
even though thats not what the President said in January or anyone with half a brain thinks when discussing showing people what Democracy and a Free Press is all about in regards to kicking out tyrants.
so if you think propaganda is ok, then you wouldnt have a problem if Pajamas is in bed with the White House.
therefore that should be your comment:
Tony,
I think propaganda during wartime is cool, so if Glenn and Charles want to spread the Good News through the blogosphere, have at it.
sheesh... now i have to write the comments too?
Why do all the right-wing nut jobs keep bad-mouthing Clinton? He was the best republican president of the last 30 years.
so let me get this straight:
the current republican talk show bullshit argument is this:
"clinton did it too, so it's ok"
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
fucking hilarious.
I'm sure that money would be much better spent giving health care for those that don't have it, or put back into SS as "PART" of the money they took out of it. It make me sick to see what a corrupted government we have. A total cleaning out needs to be done and done soon!
why aren't all the right wing war supporter bloggers in iraq fighting the war?????
somebody answer me that and i'll give them some peace and love and a hug even ....
in the meantime, everybody dance
Hey Tony you fookeen maroon. I can't stand Pajamas Media. But, if you can prove ONE blogger on the right, is being paid off. We'll appoint you king of the blogosphere. King of the internet. King of American politics entire.
Until then, you are just about the most stoopeed mofo taking up space, holding a vaporizer/bong/straight shooter. While typing, ever to set foot inside the blogosphere.
Joyk oph doesn't even begin to describe ......
Robert, you didn't address the issue of propaganda that the Bush administration did here in the US in the form of fake news reports. So does that mean its ok because the USA is a war zone? just curious.
As a Jew myself, I appreciate that Jeff Goldstein has shown me that anytime a Jew's motivations are questioned that we can immediately play the race card. Hell, I didn't even know we had a race card TO play. So thank you, Jeff.
And if anyone disagrees with me, you're all a bunch of Hitler-loving anti-semites.
AWESOME !!!! -- One of the best articulated and most clearly thought out renderings of the state of the Fourth Estate in the US today.
One note -- re Judy as 'front woman' -- why not Judy? Everyone in the US and most assuredly in journalism world already knows she's a whore in Daddy Rove's stable -- might as well grab a few more bucks before retirement time is nigh. Surely there is NOT enough time to salvage and rebuild THAT ruined rep.
By the way -- by whom and when was it ever decided that Clinton(either of them) was the "Gold standard" of correct political behavior. The man is not a God. He's quite intelligent - always a striking contrast to George -- but isn't that the very least we should be expecting from our top leadership?
Clinton, JFK, Jimmy Carter, FDR -- all are in the past and if Dems are going to continue to exist as a party they need to forward and define themselves differently from ALL of this. Why should the left ever let them give pause with use of what is LOOOONg gone?
After this debacle of an administration that is so warped so bent and so thoroughly corrupt -- even gives most Republicans I know acid re-flux-- We need to re-thonk what we need to do to go forward and determine what needs to be done to protect OURSELVES as a 'democratic republic'. Because this present group of future jailbirds has nearly cost us THAT much.
Personally I’d be very worried if the US Government wasn’t running a propaganda operation in a war zone. It’s the sort of thing you’re supposed to do you know, try to win?
The specific articles they were using though, as written up by John Tierney were truly pathetic though.
And what I want to know is, if right wiong bloggers are getting checks off Rove, where’s mine?
Tony is a pertisan liberal and that is his choice, but it clouds everything he thinks just as a partisan conservative is clouded by his instinctive predilections. It is very silly to oppose Tony's viewpoints becuase he is an intractable as any partisan.
michael ledeen has his name listed as editorial advisor i need no more convincing.
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Excellent post Tony.
I run into the same problems with attempting debate, they attempt to try to throw Clinton at me.
Clinton IS a very smart man, but nowhere near the top president we've had, I'd put him in the 60-70th percentile.
FDR, JFK, Harry Truman, Lincoln, Adams are probably my top 5 and
Harding, Coolidge, Buchanan, W.H. Harrison, and Andrew Johnson as my worst.
"W" finished in the bottom 10 on my list.
"When you take a bite out of the hand that feeds you - literally, then perhaps you'll gain even more respect from me"
I'd consider your respect to be worse than a tumor, pierce.
-ls
It is telling when the WH and DOD have to buy favorable coverage. After all, they already control the Bully Pulpit, and they dole out access (the lifeblood of the MSM).
What it tells me is that they are losing--the battle of ideas, as well as the war in Iraq.
With regard to Presidents, it is silly to place JFK and Truman above TR.
check this little gem:
http://www.martinirepublic.com/i...k-pajamas-
media
Cash-flush Aubrey Chernick, former chairman and founder of Candle Corp., a software provider to government agencies acquired by IBM in February, and now CEO of NC4, a player in “crisis management readiness” and benefactor of dozens of Bush-era government contracts, has appointed himself Murdochette of Pajamas Media by spearheading an investor group that will float $3.5 million to the startup media group.
That’s correct. The winnings from dozens of Bush-era government contracts centered around disaster managment are backing terror-hyping Pajamas Media’s “first round,” mezzanine-suggestive financing.
D,
firstly, its spelled, "partisan".
secondly, im an Independent.
personally i think anyone who says that they belong to a particular party and then blindly votes for that party is part of the problem.
fourthly Bush isnt a Republican. Republicans typically believe in small government, privacy, isolationism, and are against tax-and-spend economics.
BushCo has his fingers in all of our lives, has created a huge government, has used his failings during and after 9/11 to destroy a persons privacy thru the Patriot Act so that the government can even see what books we check out at the library, he's certainly into nation building, and he's the pioneer of dont-tax-but-spend economics.
but because he puts an (R) next to his name you idiots lap up whatever he dishes out because "at least his first name isnt Hillary".
this mindlessness has you defending a war based on no WMDs, torture, secret prisons in eastern europe, imprisoning people for years at Gitmo without allowing them lawyers, the outting of a CIA agent, the cutting of benefits to the military WHILE theyre fighting this ridiculous war... he's got you believing that $2.25 a gallon for gas is a bargain, that war heroes like Murtha and Kerry aren't heroes because they have a (D) next to their name, that bailing out of the Texas National Guard is ok as long as you have an (R) next to your name, and that all the corruption from Delay to Frist to Rove to Libby is simply annoying and nothing to really think much about.
how about thinking for yourself for a few minutes each day?
this is not the party of Ronald Reagan and it certainly isnt the party of Lincoln. But as long as that hippy Clinton isnt in charge you'll take whatever cock they shove down your throat. And you'll swallow each load gleefully be it gay hookers in the white house press corps, paying off American reporters in America to write No Child Left Behind stories, to paying off the Iraqi newspapers to run Military-written proUSA stories.
if Bush does it its ok, if a commie country does it it's fascism. and if Clinton does it it's impeachable.
you think as well as you spell.
you dont love this country you love a letter.
you love (R) and not only are you part of the problem, you are the problem.
it's fine to vote republican, so do us all a favor and actually elect some fucking REPUBLICANS and not the crooks and liars who claim to be republicans.
but before you do that, admit it when the boys that you put in office are fucking morons. Dems did it here in California with Gray Davis and they voted for Arnold, and now we're about to vote his ass out too.
Finally if you believe that BushCo isnt above paying off bloggers the same way theyve paid off every other form of media youre fucking crazy and you need to ask yourself two questions
1) what makes right wing Bloggers so different than right wing journalists that they wouldnt accept the money that the journalists accepted?
2) what has this administration done in regards to distributing information that has made you trust that they wouldnt prime the pump by paying off bloggers?
currently the president's approval rate is around 35%, rightfully. but that number is bullshit if half the country just runs out and votes for the next dumbfuck who puts an (R) next to his name.
you dont have to be a pertisan your whole life, D, infact you dont even have to be intelligent your whole life. Talk as much shit as you want in the comments of blogs, or at the bar, or at the office, but for about 15 minutes each year when youre in the voting booth, why dont you do us all a favor and actually think for your fucking self for once and not bow down to a letter.
One example of how premeditated this was, out of many for you: the Office of Strategic Information, which we now know never closed. I suspect, as usual, they are focusing on the legitimacy of the idea of propaganda rather than Rumsfeld's disingenous answer for why the office was closed (all except for the last bit):
Well, you know, there have been so many stories about this office, and commentary, some portion of which has contained inaccurate speculation and assertions that the office would -- could become involved in activities that the department has in fact not done, is not doing, and would not condone. I guess notwithstanding the fact that much of the thrust of the criticism and the cartoons and the editorial comment has been off the mark, the office has clearly been so damaged that it's unclear to me -- it's pretty clear to me that it could not function effectively. So it's being closed down.
It's a safe bet that the coopting of the Iraqi media was planned right from the beginning.
The intentions of most of the people may be good, but Goldberg gives an excellent example of why intentions mean little when compared to actual actions. His contention that "we need to win the war before we can worry about leaving behind a pristine democracy" is a perfect example of thinking that a little grey propaganda to good ends won't hurt. The problem is, that the ends not only justify the means, the end result is defined by the means. So no matter what we do over there, we are not going to be the ones to create a "pristine democracy," because we've already established authoritarian processes within it, right from the start. Oh, assuming you buy into the idea that democracy is something that can be externally imposed, that is.
nicely said Stealth
and on top of all of it:
9/11 was an inside job, perpetrated by the uber-evil neocons on our own citizens.
truth.
Tony,
First of all you chastising someone for their spelling is the epitome of hypocrisy. Further, if you read my entire comemnt you would see I spelled the "partisan" correctly twice. Obviously this was not a spelling mistake on my part, it was a typing mistake. You constantly admonish people for not reading your whole post. Do you need the same admonishment?
Secondly, you chastise me for the way I think. You do not have the slighest clue about the way I think. I gave no indication whatsoever as to my political leanings in my post. You assumed my political stance because I posted a comment about you that you disagree with. Once again, you wallow in hypocrisy.
You made your comment personal based on nothing but assumptions and ill found instinct. Shame on you.
If you want to know how I think ask me. I am capable of communicating my own thoughts.
D
geez, Ben, ole Tippecanoe only served a month fer heaven's sakes..... give him a break! He didn't have time to show how bad he could be.
Franklin Pierce was far far worse!
D,
i know how you think, you showed it yourself: you discount everything people say because you believe them to be pertisan.
instead of addressing the concerns brought up in the post, you throw it all out the window because you think the author clearly must only look at things as Dem or Repub.
am i hypocritical about spelling? of course. but im also not throwing around $5 words like some showoff so you have it coming to you when you fuck up.
get over it, everyones hypocritical.
the difference is my thoughts arent group-think. my puppetstrings have been cut.
yours however...
Is it me, or why does it appear that George W. has a halo in the photo like he was some savior?
Do you think this was deliberate?
Apparently, Bush is paying off the liberal bloggers too. Paying bloggers like Tony and Kos money to make ludicrous accusations against anybody and everybody. Thus, totally discrediting reasonable criticism of the war. Rove is so devious.
You mention the gay male hooker a couple of times. Why is it important that he is gay?
bb,
it's important because of the irony that one reason that Bush was re-elected was because of the gay marriage amendments that caused people to go to the polls to vote against them. while they were there they voted for Bush, but many speculate that millions of them would have stayed at home if those proposals werent on the ballots.
it's also ironic that Gannon would, pardon the pun, suck up to the GOP in the manner that he did/does since they're not exactly pro-gay - politically, at least.
Brian,
why is it ludicrous to assume that this administration which has paid off the Iraqi press, several members of the american press, produced "news" to be run on US tv stations, planted at least one fake reporter in the white house press corps, and leaked info to the press and then lied about it, is above paying-off bloggers?
So, are you pointing out his sexual orientation because you think that its ironic? I know plenty of gay people who are Republicans or voted for Bush (and a lot that voted for Kerry of course). They don't think that they have to vote one way or the other because they are gay.
I'm not a Republican or gay but the fact that Jeff Gannon is or was a prostitute might be of interest in that whole affair but him being gay never seemed to play a role in what happened.
Most of my gay friends don't understand why it is an issue either.
So, are you pointing out his sexual orientation because you think that its ironic? I know plenty of gay people who are Republicans or voted for Bush (and a lot that voted for Kerry of course). They don't think that they have to vote one way or the other because they are gay.
I'm not a Republican or gay but the fact that Jeff Gannon is or was a prostitute might be of interest in that whole affair but him being gay never seemed to play a role in what happened.
Most of my gay friends don't understand why it is an issue either.
thats funny because i dont know anyone who's gay who voted for Bush over Kerry.
i guess we have very different friends.
id be interested in hearing why they'd vote for an administration who didnt consider them equals.
i mean it.
perhaps you can interview a few of them on your blog. and when you do, let me know and i will link to it.
but yes, it is ironic that a gay man during the period of time that BushCo was pandering to the religous right by personally trying to pass a constitutional amendment to outlaw gay marriage would be such a diehard supporter.
did gannon ever write anything critical of bush during his year in the whitehouse?
I'm not really familiar with Gannon's reporting so I can't comment on what he wrote.
I support gay marriage and thought the constitutional amendment attempt was silly. But gay people who do want the right to marry know that Kerry doesn't support that either.
And yes, if you don't have any gay friends that voted Republican, then we do have different circles of friends.
Anyway, thanks for the responses.
What a laugh. Clownville. As in not coolsville. People have a different view of politic and the world. But, since it it is different from yours, they are incapable of reasoned thought ...... and no one else could possibly be engaged in such thought. Ergo, money must change hands first, before people will take pen to paper in support of these ideas.
It is 2005. Two thousand and five. 2 0 0 5. Bush won. Did I say Bush won? He is going to be President for three more years. You cannot deal with reality. So, what do you do? You create fiction.
You invalidate those individuals who do have different ideas. You discredit them. Because you have no thoughts, ideas, or concepts of your own.
Hey Tony, Guess What? In 2008 you dingleberries won't take the White House either. I'd paint you a picture/draw you a map. But what's the point? You would rather play in the mud, with yourself.
Have fun. It's a free country. Your words aren't even worth contesting.
Gee goverments paying "on-side" journos to do pieces favourable to them. That is a new phenomenon invented by Karl Rove...lol. The myopia of some amuses the hell out of me.
I am fascinated that none of your detractors on this one are engaging the actual content of your post. No one has yet to just flat out deny that PJM is on the take. Talk about a tell...thekeez
Guess What? In 2008 you dingleberries won't take the White House either. I'd paint you a picture/draw you a map. But what's the point?I get it, the point is you Yanks just spread democracy, but thanks to Diebold you no longer practice it.
Fine, but what will you do if somehow Diebold gets the toss and some crazy fool actually tries counting the votes cast in the next election? I realise this probably won't happen, but just imagine what would happen to your permanent majority if the actual numbers had any influence over the electoral process.
Cheers,
Naked Ape
the tide is turning. and there is no such thing as a permanent majority, as even the loyalists are jumping ship and waiting on the dems to provide candidates that former repubs can live with.
it's why BushCo feels the need to simply buy the press - because they know that the real news is a nightmare.
Ape ... come on, everyone knows us Repubs, we've taught our dogs and cat to not only dress up. But to vote as well.
Diebold? You're at least a year behind the worthless self propping up propaganda my boy. Maybe more?
Remember, it's the cats and dogs you silly ape ...... Diebold? You folks have 'Crackerjack' across the pond? Cuz that argument's a real prize there, that one is.
Tony,
The accusations were ludicrous. The presumption of guilt until proven innocent, is ludicrous. Someones on the take because they live in Wisconsin or share an opinion? Ludicrous!
If "Bushco" and Rove are so all seeing and all influncing, then why not assume you are on the take also. Except you are a double agent. You pretend to be on the left but only to discredit it with off-the-wall articles.
You know it a fact that the U.S.S.R. was paying people here in the US to spread certain opinions. Right now Soros is paying for his opinions to be spread. Saudia Arabia also pays organizations to spread it's opinions. All those corrupting sources of money for opinions that would exactly match the sentiments of much of this article. Should we assume you are on the take?
What's with the childish lumping together of war propaganda with the other categories? You are aware that not all propaganda serves evil purposes? You do realize that the other side is just killing and intimidating the press when it presents info they don't like?
Get back to me when "Bushco" is targeting journalists for murder, and not with some false propaganda about it either. What is shameful is that people like Dan Rather have gone in for propaganda, not the military. That's their job.
brian,
so wait you're admitting that propaganada is real and probably happening today, but youre saying it's ludicrous to suggest that some righty bloggers might be in on it - particularilly the ones who endorse it?
how exactly does that work?
Tony, did you ever look at PJ's funding angel Aubrey Chernick? We did a post on him a few weeks back---he's been tied to disaster management gov't contracts:
Crisis management player to back pajamas media
PS he's also backed the hawkish intel dem Jane Harmon
Just thought I'd let you know...
Joseph
Martini Republic
thanks Joseph!
Oooooh the goverment lied! Oh no, the medias are biased and paid for....I have got to leave country.
Someone please tell me how anyone can accuse the "other side" when they indulge themselves.
The state owes allegiance to no one ideology left or right, only the perpetuation of it's own power.
Admitting? I never denied it. My point is that you are accusing specific people with no evidence.
This was one of the main problems with Rathers garbage. Sure some people used the national guard to avoid service in Vietnam, and some used the Navy. That doesn't mean any particular person was doing it. You need specific credible evidence.
Likewise, if someone got money to advocate a political position, and this happens all the time with 401c orgs, that doesn't mean that anybody espousing a position can be honestly accused of receiving money. Doing so without specifice credible evidence is nothing more than rumor mongering.
There's a pretty obvious term for blogs that are actually fronts for special interest groups, and that's astroblogging. Wikipedia is crying out for an entry
I'm shocked, shocked, that anyone in power would attempt to spin information in favor of his own agenda. Surely this is the first administration in history that ever thought of such a thing. Oh, the humanity.
Someone should have a closer look at some of the "independent" blogs from Iraq. They have always seemed dodgy to me, what with their perfect English and LGF phraseology.
You are gay right
if by gay you mean i put my name next to my shit like a man instead of hide out behind fake names and fake email addresses like a pussy ass bitch then yes.
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