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yu yu si'iz gimmel tammuz.
Litaken olam ?
Has Lub. now joined the Reform/Reconstructionist, etc. 'tikkun olam' bandwagon ?
no, you moron, they took it from Lubavitch!
Ltaken haolam??? Isn't that an older Breslov mantra?
(Obviously it's the particular wording, not the idea that strikes as very odd relating to the Rebbe.)
the rebbes features are grossly misrepresented
I always thought it looked more like Avremel (Philadelphia) Shemtov.
The source connecting it to the Rebbe is that the slogan of 'Machne Israel' is "lesaken olam b'malchus shin daled yud".
Funny, and I thought lesakein eilom it was in the oleinu prayer all Jews say three times a day.
The Rebbe's features are rendered in a flat way here, not as the relief normally used in minting (perhaps there were halachic objections to relief usage). While this style does not match the back of the medal (which is a relief), on its own terms it isn't bad at all and I find that id does capture the likeness of the Rebbe.
The Rebbe never looked so run down as is depicted on this coin. It makes me feel depressed just looking at it.
Run down? Sorry, I just don't see that at all.
it looks like a cartoon
What can I see, that’s how it looks to me… I don’t see the characteristic intensity. It seems to me that if we fill out the rest of the picture, the Rebbe is hunched over and kind of sad and tired there. Maybe it’s because of the angle (being profile and all), or maybe it’s just me…
I suspect that it's the creases around, and bags under, the eyes - and the straight, expressionless, mustache/mouth that gives me this impression. Maybe.
i dont get, nobody is concerned with the minting of the rebbes image?
brother of the einkel,
I addressed the minting issue and I believe this must be the reason they chose a flat drawing style rather than a 3-d relief. Would be nice to hear from someone that actually knows.
oh, like that solves the problem.
anyway who made it? i have no idea
oh, like what's the problem then, moron?
oh, never mind, I am sorry I even noticed your existence.
am i the only one where who seems to think there might be a problem with the minting, tzemach, help me out
I want to buy some of these coins
where do they sell them?
how much?
Ahem. I think this would be a perfect moment for chakira to weigh in and blow this thread out of the water. Everyone should duck down as the "treifa coins" are likely to become shrapnel.
Nothing relevant to comment, just want to announce my anatomical misfortune.
Isn't it supposed to be "Lesaken Oilom," not "Ho'Oilom"? Or - "Lesaken EIS Ho'Oilom," which would sound redundant? Omitting "eis" was Ben-Gurion's invention in Hebrew, to make it more lightweight. It's not used, only occasionally. It's like in English to say "to fix a world" as opposed to "to fix THE world."
The Rebbe was against making stamps with his image (early 70s) and its a clear Halocho that its forbidden and the Rebbe specifically avoided any images on the Lag B'omer coin he minted
but off course Shemtov and the rest of them know better.
Berl
Why are such an arrogant bastard?
I'm pretty sure that in real life you are an ugly overweight fixture in 770.
TA,
I'm suprirsed that you are unaware the rebbe was awarded the congressional medal of honor, 1n '94-'95, this is it. It was also availabe for a time in gold ans silver.
Zobra
read Oleinu next time you daven.
last comment by brother of, wasn't me
HirshelTzig,
Maybe YOU should read pick up a siddur and read Oleinu, just for your own pleasure, and see what's written there?
Berl,
It is true that it says in Oleinu, but there are so many things written in so many wonderful tefillos and books. Tough luck, this particular expression is somehow associated with the Conservatives. They took a good expression, didn't they?
Editor,
True, the Rebbe spoke of Lesaken Oilom Bemalchus Sh-D-Y, but da aka - the "bemalchus Sh-D-Y" is exactly what this coin is NOT saying.
Berl, you are the expert in grammar. What's going on here with the L'saken Ho'Oilom business?
The Rebbe's slogan, "Lesaken haolam bemalchus Shid daled yud" was what they originally wanted to include. For various reasons, this was not possible (legal, political and otherwise) and the compromise was made not to include "bemalchus..." rather than omitting the entire slogan / verse.
In fact, chapters can be written on each of the symbols and how they made it there. Besides the fact that the Rebbe received the medal at all. (it's the highest civilan honor in the US, given to only 100 people since the 1st congress. The Rebbe was the first religious figure to receive this award)
its funny that 'malchus' became an issue.
Zobra the Greek,
First let's get this straight - I am not delusional enough to consider myself a דקדוק expert. I do love it and I do spend time reading ספרי דקדוק , but that does not an expert make.
Now to the substance of your question. I am not very clear on what you are asking, but from what I can tell, you are making the following assertions:
1) The word את means the same thing as ה הידיעה
2) The expression לתקן עולם is not really correct even though it is part of the נוסך התפילה
3) The expression לתקן העולם is definitely not correct because the word את is missing and it should have been לתקן את העולם
I will try addressing these assertions:
1) Not so. The word את (aside from the את that means 'with' and is conjugated as 'אתו', not 'אותו' ) has no meaning at all. It's only function is to separate the one doing something from the one that something is being done to. For example, if you say ראובן הרג שמעון , it is impossible to tell who killed whom. But when you say ראובן הרג את שמעון , all is clear. Conversely, when no confusion is possible, it is perfectly legal to omit the את , and, indeed, there are many פסוקים that do just that, for example: ביום עשות ה' ארץ ושמים . Moreover, often חז"ל use the word את (where it could have been omitted) for the purpose of דרש , for example on בראשית ברא אלקים את השמים ואת הארץ they comment: את לרבות תולדותיהם
2) Based on what I just said in the previous paragraph, it should be clear that לתקן עולם is perfectly legit.
3) Though I do not know why it should be necessary to add an את if ה הידיעה is used, I have not seen anyone quote פסוקים showing such usage. So maybe לתקן העולם (as used on the medal) is a bit off.
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הערני חכם אחד - נוסח
The use of the flat (incused) rather than relief was an intended choice:
"Mint Sculptor-Engraver John Mercanti designed the obverse of the Congressional Medal, which is a portrait of the Rabbi in incused lines rather than the traditional relief."
From the Congressional Gold Medal Recipients page
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