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Schenur, who and where are Rabbi Sholom Duber Schneerson's children?
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One son is in Crown Hts whose name is R. Menachem Mendel ,and not only shares the same name with his sainted cousin but the same birthday the 11th of Nissan. Another brother R. Yosef Yitzchok is in CA. Both are in business.
Oh, that Schneerson. I see. Now I can put two and two together. For some reason I thought that the other MMS on President St. was from Israel.
Maybe it was his brother-in-law R' Elye Chaim who shlepped him to Bobov?
Le'hoir, SBS does not have long peyos, unless he grew them in the past week or so.
may be he hides them, al pi minchag RaYaTZ :)
i think he has a daughter in kan tziva. herzog. at any rate i heard a while ago that he was very close to bobov. didnt hear that he officialy considers himself bobov though. EC carlebach (his bro. in law) was kinda bobov also. besides given his family history -his father was a complicated man who had problems with the rebbe getting the job ke'yadua- i dont see what the surprise is. his kids and grandkids are all chabad chassidim min hashura. even most of ECC's are for that matter.
maybe he could only remain a dor hashishi'nik for so long.
its well known that he was not "mekabel " the seventh Rebbe.
Derech agav..
the seventh Rebbe had his peyos behind his ears.
true but they werent particularly long. and they it didnt look like he was trying to hide them
please, this is not about peyos. thanks.
tzemach.
how the "last male schneersohn became a bobover". le'hoir hes not the last male schneersohn. and he's not (officialy anyway) bobov. granted he's pretty darn close.
I am an einikel from the Tzemach Tzedak and am a Chabadnik
Sholom are you from a maternal line? Because people around here think there is a difference. So Butmans don't count for example. And since you volunteered what is your name?
There certainly are a few other Chabad families desc. from the Zemach Zedek but not ben acher ben (son after son) The Butmans (Mrs. Butman Sr. was the sister of R. Zalman Schneersohn)are one such family. Frankly besides the Butman's I know of no other Chabad family desc. from the ZZ although there may well be.
Most of the Schneersohn in Israel are members of the Slonim family who changed their last name and are desc. of the Mitteler rebbe.
In Israel there are desc. of the Bobroisker who are frum but not Chabad and not ben acher ben.
I am aware of know such desc. from the Kopuster, Nizhener, Ladier etc.
The Chebeiner are not Chabad and even Reb Baruch Shimen's father in Cracow, Poland was a Belzer Chasid.
By the way there are desc. of the Mahrash in Israel , who are non religious and its through them I got a photo of the Mechtan of the Maharash the Gvir Horenstein.
Ummm..if RSBS has 2 sons, how in the world is he the last male Schneerson? SBS's son Menachem Mendel Schneerson has at least one son that I know of.
Yosef has many sons (quite brilliant)! This is a moot point!
You guys do not understand literary liscense ... A writer etc is permited a measure of liberty to exagerate. As head of the clan , Reb Sholom Ber Schneersohn can be termed the head of the last Schneerson Chabad family .
And anyway that's not the point. Does'nt anybody find it interesting that Reb Sholom Ber has become a Bobover ? Why ?
And how did R' Nachman Yosef Twersky, R' Chaim Boruch Halberstam, R' Chesed Halberstam and R' Chaim Yankel Leibowitz all become Lubavitchers?
Besides, the fact of the matter is that all of R' Sholom Ber's descendants are Lubavitchers as are most of his sister's einiklach.
So, it is not very interesting at all - for whatever reason R SBS became a half hearted Bobover, or, more likely, a Chabad-Lubavitch Chossid who followed the Bobover Rebbe(s).
There is another Lubavitcher family that descends from the Tzemach Tzedek. They are the Zeligsons (as in the late Doc) and his son who lives in Crown Heights. They descend from the Z'Z daughter Rade Freide.
As for why SB Schneerson is, as he has called himself "Chasid Bobuv B'nusach Chabad", one has to know the man to understand the dynamics... For one, his late father S'Z wasn't exactly accepted by many seventh generation Chassidim which may have had some effect. The Rebbe on the other hand showed S'Z (who was a first cousin of the Rebbe's father) much respect in his dealings with him.
In any event SB obviously did not raise his children in the Bobov spirit as all three of them are Lubavicther Chassidim.
P.S. Interestingly (for some) the Rashag had- at one point- wanted to make a shidduch between his son (SBG) and SBS's sister Hadassah.
I don't understand the question!! For the record just because he enjoy's Bobover tishen and Bobover Nigunim, it does not make him a Bobover Chosid. As far as I know he still davnes the Alter Rebbe's Nusach, and still follows Minhagei Chabad. Wouldn't you think he would change all of that if he became a Bobover, just like when someone becomes a Lubavitcher they start davening Nusach Ari.
The Zeligsons are descended from the AR's son Reb Chaim Avrohom, not from the TT's daughter. It's mentioned in every book by Reb Michoel Z and in the Doc's biography.
RSBS was not present at the Tahara of The Rebbe Rayatz. It was actually his Father Reb Zalman a"h who had a cheilek in the Tahara. They made a goiral among the Gedoilei Hacahasidim and distributed the Tahara accordingly. As to the peyos, RSBS related that his father told him that at the Tahara it was discovered that the Rebbe Rayatz had extremely long peyos.
Rabbi Shlomo Aharon Kaarnosky made mention of the long peyos To RSBS
There are descendants whose family name is Schneir and are ben acher ben from ZZ who live in Melbourne Australia.
There are about 400 einykel of the Alter Rebbe who live in Australia,but the majority are not Lubavich.We are the ggg grandchildren of
Menucha Rochel and Yaacov Culi Slonim
whose grandchildren lived in Chevron and moved to Melbourne Australia in 1900
There was a Rabbi Schneerson who came to Australia during the goldrush in the 1850s and collected a lot of Tzedaka.He left for South Africa and was never heard of again.
The Schneerson who came to Australia was not a Rav in the traditinoal sense. He was Rabbi Chaim Zvi Schneersohn a emissary from Hebron collecting funds for the yishuv. He was a world traveller and even met Pres. Grant in the White House. He was a great grandson of the infamous rav Moshe Ben Admor hazaken,
Rather than being "lost" there is a complete bio of him available by Klausner.
Moishe Shmuel:
I am impressed that Australia can produce 400 eineklach of the Alter Rebbe. I dont think that in NYC you can get more than half of that.
Schneur
Where can I find this book.
There may not be 400 eineklach of the Alter Rebbe in Australia.There is a difference of opinion on whether the Slonim women who married into the Rivlin family had any children .If so the statement is correct.We are getting collegues to search in Teverya . This info came from the family of Yankel Rosenbaum Z"l ,who are ytracing their yichus as they are einykel of the Gra and most likely the Alter Rebbe.
There are hundreds of desc. of the Alter rebbe in the USA. For starters the BUtmans, the Groners, all desc. of Grand rabbi Moses Teitelbaum, all desco of GRand rabbi Shlomo Halberstam of Bobov. All desc. of the Rebbe Schneersohn Twersky of Crown Hts.. There is an assocaition of such people that meets annually in Crown Hts. lets not forget the Seligsons, and the Twerski family from ilwaukee and others . I bet there are probably close to 5,000 such desc. in the US... at least.Few of these people are Lubavitcher chasidim.
SZ are you an einykel?
Can anyone tell me whether it is true that grandchild of R Nachman of Breslov married a grandchild of the Alter Rebbe.
By the way I met Rabbi Halperin and the information he puts into Sefer Tzezoim is based on what information he received from einykel.
There are gaps as because if someone married out their partner and childrens names are not mentioned.
e.g daughter in law and grandchildren of Yehudi Menuhin are chinese.
There are mistakes in the Sefer but there is also a mistake I believe in a genealogical reference book called "The Unbroken Chain" by Rosenstein that states that Pinchas Reizes married the daughter of the Alter Rebbe.
It is a family tradition that the name Reizes was the name of a woman who had 3 daughters.One married Pinchas Reizes,another married Binyomin. Kletzker and a third married Moshe Shlomo Zalman who took on the name Reizes.His son Yaacov Culi Slonim married my alter Bobbe Menucha Rochel Schneuri . The biography of Pinchas Reizes by SDB Avtzon claims the Friediger Rebbe stated that Moshe Shlomo Zalman Reizes married one of his wife's sisters.This statement is difficult to understand.We do know that Moshe Shlomo Zalman Reizes did marry a second time in his old age to his brother's daughter and settled in Eretz Yisroel.This is stated in the Pinchas Records of Rubinowicz and I saw this also written in Daat Kedoshim
which traces the Slonim family back to the Rema and the Zichron Moshe who claimed descent from the Ri.
The point is Seforim, do have errors and often we rely on oral traditions handed down through families.There is the risk that they do change over time with oral transmission.
Remember yichus is like potatoes the best ones are in the ground.
I am searching for information on Rabbi Menachem Mendel Horenstein, who married Shaina,the sister of Chaya Mushka, wife of the Rebbe. Rabbi Horenstein and Shaina perished in Treblinka. I am trying to trace the lineage for the past three generations. If anyone has information, please e-mail me. I appreciate any information anyone may have. Thank you.
Chaia, do a search on Horenstein on this blog (to the right) or use categories (right column) Horenstein and then read all the comenst, it is all there.
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