mentalblog.com comments:
Mental bloggers know that nepotism and fake allegiance to avoiding "machlokes" will assure that this situation continues forever. And not just in Australia, but in the vast majority of Chabad schools throughou tth eworld.
rebel,
there comes a time when we say ad kan.
the situation just isnt bad enough yet.
sto, I am starting to think that you are a new idiot here.
thanks for the compliment.
please clarify
I don't have to explain, the waves of idiots come to this blog like waves upon a shore.
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then i'll clarify.
people will almost always opt for stability even when it means tolerating abuse - up to a point.
look at the history of any revolution and you'll notice how it takes a long time of gradual abuse untill something like the stamp tax comes along and then people have had enough. its the last straw.
at this point the stability no longer justifies the abuse.
the lubavitch general public is no longer greenhorn immigrants. sooner or later there will be enough out there like gefilte fish who are fed up with moisdos, especialy educational ones being run in russian minded stalin-like fashion. and sooner or later this will lead to a grass roots effort.
what people like berl fail to relize is that theres a whole new generation out there who are the product of these institutions (and yes, i am one of them), who are third generation american canadian etc., who are sick of this russian mentality, who have no interest in seeing their children going through the same mindless system. theyve had enough.
should this opinion of things make me an idiot, then so be it.
sto, how do you know Russian? Your name means 100% in Russian.
Now that you explained yourself you might be not a complete idiot after all. Tell me please though what qualifies as a bad enough situation and why it is not bad enough now?
Also I would like the new kids on the blog do some background reading first.
http://www.mentalblog.com/2005/0...f-
nepotism.html
http://www.mentalblog.com/2005/0...ew-
england.html
http://www.mentalblog.com/2005/0...n-favor-
of.html
http://www.mentalblog.com/2005/0...tch-in-
new.html
http://www.mentalblog.com/2005/0...nt-
hodakov.html
, etc.
p.s. Berl likes to argue but he is in synch with your argument.
Vnaar koton noheg bom.
TA
i spent some time on the don
as per your question:
its difficult to define. the reason is because there is no one particular thing. it can be anything. there comes a point when its the last straw. not a stone, a straw.
another thing: the only time in recent history (that i can think of) when something (abuse of power) happened in a drastic way was the targil hamasriach in israel where there was a drastic reaction and they all lost their jobs overnight. otherwise these things happen gradualy. blogs such as this one may just be a small part of it. an indicator of sorts.
River Don? That is really deep into real Russia. Rostov on Don?
What happened in Israel?
Sto, you have to understand one thing that for the pot to boil it must be closed with a lid. A revolutionary situation requires that there is no way out. Part of the reason Jewish tradition is so backwards because instigators of progress always had an option to leave rather that fight the reactionaries. The reactionaries know it. They would rather have thousands leave the religion rather than loose control of their little dictatorships.
yes, rostov on don.
there will always be dictators in chabad. this isnt a question. you'll always have abusive shluchim etc.
but at least in regards to the education of children, the tolerance wont last. times have changed. little yeshivos are springing up all over the place. some are motivated by the same self interest we've had till now, but some are motivated by vision. are they perfect? no. but they present more options and options usualy transalate into power.
the israel story i was reffering to was when the rebbe replaced wolf with aronov, the point being that if there is one abuse of power drastic enough then the reaction will also be. (remember that almost never did the rebbe fire).
but otherwise these things happen gradualy, meaning that there doesnt neccesarily have to be an overthrow or whatnot. no one has to get fired. but over time they'll just become marginalized and irrelevant.
IMHO, the targil hamasriach affair does not constitute a good example. The Rebbe's intervention cannot be classified as a revolution; direct intervention from above is not an example of the pot boiling over etc, rather someone in authority fulfilling his responsibility to exercise that authority wisely.
After 6/12/94, I do not see that happening again in the near future. Do you see Aronov getting fired/marginalized anytime soon?
770 bochur, we missed you!
Thanks, TA. I do have to do some learning from time to time.
P.S. I was not intimating ח"ו that Aronov should get fired/marginalized (nor am I saying that he shouldn't). Merely that even if he should, it would not be a reality.
770 bochur
the targil hamasriach story was intended solely to illustrate the idea of strong reaction to great abuses of power. please remember that the rebbe tolerated plenty and how. (this stuff didnt begin after 3 tammuz)
Sto, the Rebbe's "tolerance" is the subject for another thread. I'm pretty sure (too lazy to check) that among the links that TA posted for the newbies, was one that puts out SJ's opinion of the Rebbe, check out the comment thread there. I am not in the mood of getting into that topic either.
My point is that the reaction of one person - any person - to any given event is far more predictable and accountable than that of the masses. (Incidentally, the topic is treated in Chassidus, and is one reason why בכל מאדך is not demanded when the klal is being addressed). Like I said, I do not think that the result of the M. affair would be the same had the initiative been up to the masses.
Yes there were many misuses/abuses/breaches of authority/power/trust in previous years as well. But they do not come close to what is going on now. Enough said.
770 bochur
gut gezogt, i'll give you that. maybe the only one who could do that is the rebbe.
but my main point was that in most most cases the tide tends to turn gradualy. wolf wasnt marginalized (zol er zein a guter beter), he was eliminated and quickly. i mentioned israel as a dovor tz'dodi
Sto,
it seems like you drank the Groner kool-aid by the gallon. Your ignorance on the "targil" is to be expected.
oy.
forget the freakin' targil already.
that wasnt the main point.
it was beside the point.
it was mentioned in passing.
get over it.
I second the motion.
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