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The only word to describe you is an idiot.
The Rebee is a Kodosh if we listen to his words then everything on your silly report card will be A.
Don’t attack the Sender, rather the people that have the achrayos to implement what the Rebbe taught and guided us


Gravatar I am not talking about Rebbe's intentions or words. I talking about what the Rebbe succeeded or not succeeded in doing.


Gravatar Let me argue on some of your decisions:

2. Integrate knowledge, science and philosophy into Jewish discourse: F
I would give a much higher mark considring the Rebbe's discourses about science, not so much into integrating science into Torah, but by explaining Torah & science aren't opposing each other. Also, philosophy is in the Rebbe's works to some extent.

6. Discourage discrimination against Baal Tshuvas: F
I would wholly argue with you, the Rebbe wanted very much the integration of BT into Lubavitch without discrimination, by encouraging Chassidim who asked to integrate BT into their families.

9. Fight assimilation: F
The Rebbe should get an A+ for this, for the movement the Rebbe created (not the movement the Chassidim have now) of Shluchim who bring jews close to Judaism, and started the rejuvenation of the jewish nation.

12. Force G-d’s hand in bringing the redemption: F
Wrong again! The bringing closer of jews to judaism is one of the ways to bring Moshiach

13. Set Crown Heights as a living example of a Jewish community: F
I would give a Z to the community, and an A to the Rebbe for the Rebbe demanded a lot, but the Crown Heights Farmers have their own religion and do whatever they like

18. Build a new 770 or the 3rd Temple: F
The Rebbe asked and Chassidim did NOT heed. The Rebbe should get a higher mark.


Gravatar oy, investigation, i sence a very nasty remark is heading your way from our host.


Gravatar investigation, "encouraging Chassidim who asked to integrate BT into their families." can you elaborate?


Gravatar faruq, pick someone your own size


Gravatar ok, TA
are these points of yours are in any particular order?


Gravatar no order, feel free to add to the list.


Gravatar when you met me on campus many a few years ago you tried convincing me that the Rebbe IS the messiah etc...

have you gone scitzo?


Gravatar i feel that your points are worded unfairly. here are the points you graded F in a slightly different wording:

2. Making lots of people believe that “Torah & science aren't opposing each other”: A
3. Emerging victorious from conflicts involving the family of the Previous Rebbe: A
6. Attracting myriads of Baal Tshuvas despite discrimination: A
9. (Mobilizing thousands of Jews to) fight (against) assimilation: A
11. Improve parnosa opportunities for the orthodox Jews (mostly sheluchim): A
12. Working towards forcing G-d’s hand in bringing the redemption: A
13. Sending away the best of ANASH on shelichus sacrificing Crown Heights so it could not become a living example of a Jewish community: A
16. Improve garbage collection on Kingston Ave.: F (indisputable)
18. Laying a corner stone to build new 770/ the 3rd Temple: A


Gravatar MIB, are you talking to me? I don't remeber saying this ever.


Gravatar faruq, BRAVO! Genius!!!


Gravatar don't ridicule me, it disturbs me greatly.


Gravatar i love it, really :+: :+: :+:


Gravatar I have been thinking about Tzemach Atlas' legacy, the following is my subjective take on it:

1. Anger management: F
2. Hyperbole and blaming the Rebbe for all your problems: A
3. Making peace with those in Lubavitch who hurt him: F
4. Being friendly with total nuts: A
5. Tolerance of commenters with other opinions: F
6. Integrating strict observance of SA into his life: D
7. Rejuvenating the Yidishkeit of his Russian landsleit: F
8. Reducing real-estate prices in Boston: F
9. Bringing Moshiach: F
10. Getting me a raise: F
11. Advancing the candidacy of TNLR: F
12. Ending the war in Iraq: D
13. Advancing Torah discourse: F
14. Promoting the introduction of vouchers for Jewish education: F
15. Integrating into FFB society: F
16. Integrating art into the blogosphere: A
17. Reintroducing the kasket back into the White Russian émigré community of the US: D
18. Getting Shneur to blog: D
19. Banning Guravitzer: A+
20. Providing interesting tidbits on the Rebbe's in-laws and pre-Rebbe life: B+


Gravatar Boruch der ayzel, great! :lol: :lol: :lol:


Gravatar As long as I don't go the same way as Guravitzer ;)


Gravatar Guravitzer is a mean bastard (the family tradition), but you are funny!


Gravatar TA; I value your suggestion that the Rebbe should be seen more objectively. Future generations will take this view even if current nostalgia makes some people value hiskashrus more than analysis.

But, to be fair, you have to consider the constraints of the chassidim and other Admorim. Most chassidim were parochial (and still are) and responded to Rebbe's vision with obedience rather than brilliance; patience more than enthusiasm.

If you compare the Rebbe's achievements to that of other Admorim, his score card improves greatly. What other Rebbe bypassed his own powerbase to address Klal Yisrael so often and so effectively?

I recommend that you reconsider the scorecard with more attention to context.


Gravatar What the hell is this all about?
Since when do the students mark the score of the teacher?
It’s the teacher that marks the students!
Are you that desperate for more clicks?
As you’ve said few times in your own words "pick on someone your own size!”


Gravatar A Teacher? I wanted a mentor and a teacher. But as I stood in 770 and as I now reflect on what was happening, the Rebbe spoke to an imaginary Jew and not to me. He never connected to me. At times I wanted this so much but he never did. And if you try to say this was all me it would be silly and untrue. Don't even bother commenting I will delete this in anger. The Rebbe let me and the Jewish people down in small and big things. I do not care about other Admurim. They will get their own report cards but this card reflects my thoughts about Rebbe’ achievements. And it is certainly not about "clicks". This is about pain. I am not alone in feeling this pain.


Gravatar Phm,
to address Klal Yisrael so often and so effectively?
I do not believe he addressed Klal Yisrael effectively. Fireworks yes, effectiveness? Absolutely not!


Gravatar I am following you web site already a while and what I see is that this a site dedicated to degrade the Rebbe and Lubavitch every way possible, looking for smootz every way possible, remember Tzemach Atlas that those who degrade others are by themselves degraded, and may G-D almighty heave mercy on you soul.


Gravatar A Yid, Omein!


Gravatar Is the report card grading the Rebbe vis-a-vis you, or do you think that many other people would also grade the Rebbe this way?


Gravatar Yossi, this is my opinion. I said that it was subjective but I really think this to be the truth. Still you are welcome to your own grades.

Let me try it again. This is not about me and the Rebbe, this is about the Rebbe and the Jewish people.


Gravatar I don't think the "course" the Rebbe taught has a near-term end (although there were expectations it was going to wrap up at the end of the semester): it is "continuing education"; what isn't accomplished now, by teachers or students, can be accomplished later.


Gravatar The Rebbe's efforts that I observed were on a macro scale, rather than on a micro scale (at least in the last 30 years). Individual casualties are ignored in this analysis.


Gravatar macro F as of today. Will see about the future. But there are no hopefull signs going forward.


Gravatar When I was a kid, I received A's in most subjects yet F in others. The F's were in subjects that didn't interest me.

In a similar vein, how would you grade the Rebbe in the subjects/objectives that interested him?


Gravatar What do you think were his interests?


Gravatar Increasing the number of his followers.


Gravatar I’m truly sorry to here about your pain. I see however that the way you deal with it (at least one of the ways) is by blaming it all on the rebbe, after all that's what the rebbe did to most of klal yisroel to al those that came to him while the rebbe was b'alma dain, he took away a lot of their pain if not all of their pain ( there are enough stories about this, amongst them family personal ones), ). So you are a living example of the rebbe still helping those people with their problems even after gimmel tamuz.
"v'lo yazov es tzoin mareeso"


Gravatar OT, The rebbe I saw was aloof and indifferent. Not only to me. Now you might tell me "other stories" but this is not what I saw with my own eyes. I saw indifference and cold detachment.
PS I do not blame the Rebbe, I grade the Rebbe.


Gravatar If you believe what you’re saying, how is it that out of all other admorim (possibly even those of the earlier generations) never had such dedicated Chasidim, who loved their rebbe even more then a father & would do anything that he requests? You think that's because he was "aloof and indifferent” c’v ?


Gravatar When Stalin died people stampeded to death and the country cried for weeks. People get attached even to evil dictators. Lehavdil to the Rebbe. Propaganda does wonders with feeble minds of an average person. People died in Stalin's name.


Gravatar Tzemach:How do you grade the Rebbe in terms of bringing peace between Jews?
The historical animosity that had almost died out between Hasidim and Menagdim came back to life with a roar during his term.While obviously you can blame the 'snags an honest person would have to answer these questions:How come the 'snags seem to get on very well with most chasidic groups.Proof of that are the thousands of chasidic boys studying in the likes of Ponovizh,Slabodka,The Mir,Lakewood,Gateshead etc.
I was always told that it takes 'two to dance tango'The machloikes that was rekindled came from BOTH sides.Was it worth the horrible fights at all costs to set up cladestine Tanya lessons in snag or Satmar yeshivas to 'win' over adherents?Did he really think it would not cause machlokess?
Was he the great 'healer'?


Gravatar Tzemach, how do you make such a comparison? One stood for dictatorship, ruled his people by FEAR, killing etc. he was a symbol of haughtiness, he lived a physical life full of comfort, while on the other side you have a human being that gave away his life for hashem & for another Jew. The rebbe's hasmodeh in learning torah was known, his ahavas yisroel was one of its kind, & the rebbe’s daily fasting & lack of sleep!
you may say what ever you feel but im sure you agree that the rebbe gave a way his life for every Jew, just take the sunday dollars as one example, a 90 year old man standing on his feet for hours to listen to the request of every person that came no matter where & who he was!


Gravatar TA; I see that you have a recurring interest in comparing people who use power. But I seriously doubt you will glean any insight by comparing the Rebbe to a psychopathic bully. It not just bad taste but it doesn't contribute to understanding. And certainly does not show us a way forward from our current impasse.


Gravatar Tsemach does not compare Stalin to the Rebbe. he compares the influence of propaganda on the minds of the crowd!


Gravatar happy 25th anniversary of "Zivos Hashem". Will have to go to basics on Stalin later.


Gravatar Faruq: Point acknowledged. But we still must find the way forward. Stuck in the past is pain without gain.


Gravatar Tzemach,

Someone wrote:"when you met me on campus many a few years ago you tried convincing me that the Rebbe IS the messiah etc...have you gone scitzo?"

I have gone by the name MIB on this website and I did not write this comment.

MIB


Gravatar B"H

The term "Farmers" always fascinated me. TO me, a "farmer" is a person who wakes up to a healthy lifestyle of fresh air, wide open country spaces, and hard, honest work. In Crown Heights, the "farmers" wake up to smelly polluted air full of bus and car fumes, an overcrowded dump of an inner city neighborhood. Many "farmers" today are happy to sit on their butts all day and collect Welfare or let their wives work. I bet Lubavitch as a town was more beautifu than Crown Heights ever was. The Rebbe tried desperately to make this place a beautiful neighborhood but the people stubbornly refused to make it happen.


Gravatar You get a F for the lack of "bittul",and that's the only reason why you are so bitter.


Gravatar Yossel, "The Rebbe tried desperately to make this place a beautiful neighborhood" and "people stubbornly refused to make it happen."
here are the two sentences that describe it all.


Gravatar MIB, thank you for clarifying this. You are the one and only :+: :+: :+:


Gravatar 1) Build a viable distinct Chabad movement: A

He built a distinct and identifiable Chabad. Showed originality in creating new customs.

2) Set up movement for continuation after Rebbe's departure: D

Left no clear instructions or succession

3) Prepare followers for proper derech after departure: D

Did nothing to stem the tide of radicalism in calling him the Messiah, and even openly supported the fervored chant. This led to the odd Chabad ideologies of today, including the death deniers, the Moshiachists, and the Elokists

4) Build a dugma chaya in local community: B-

Crown Heights has its share of turmoil, political shananigans, and oddity. But it is basically a functional Jewish community.

5) Spread Judaism to the unaffiliated: A

Opened Chabad Houses on campuses, and in remote communities. Opened centers around the world. Inspired copycat kiruv and directed efforts. In particular, the CR inspired all yeshiva students to do kiruv work, and created a vast network of emissaries.

6) Keep the affiliated from leaving: B

7) Support ba'al tshuva acquisition: A+

Inspired followers to create lists of numbers of how many tefilin, l'chayim pamphlets, menoras etc. were handed out.

8) Support ba'al tshuva integration: F

9) Push initiatives in Israeli politics: C+

His influence helped the religious parties that he supported to gain 3x more representation. However, none of his pet issues, like mihu Hayehudi and shmiras shabas, show much progress to date.

10) Push initiatives in US politics: D

While menorahs in town centers are now commonplace, little else was accomplished through the Us political system, other than recognizing the Rebbe's birthday with a symbolic resolution.

11) Promote more torah learning: A

Inspired millions to study Chumash, Tanya and Rambam daily, giving even simple a people a well rounded seder of learning

12) Promote Jews doing more mitzvos: A

Mivtzayim or campaigns, centered on promoting particular observances. Inspired followers to explain mitzvos to the common folk as part of yeshiva seder.

13) Promote better Jewish education: C

The concept of giving every child a Jewish education never yielded anything more than mediocre to bad day schools. Latter day infighting has brought the level down even further.

14) Fight internal corruption, nepotism and negative influences: F

Nuff said

15) Promote rationality in Torah / Science: D+

While the Rebbe did not support disdaining science, as many of his contemporaries did, he did not create anything new or innovative in this area. He stayed away from apologetics, which is admirable, but he did succumb to issuing some. In the most noteworthy cases, they are weak, uncompelling and unoriginal.

16) Personal Torah learning and erudition: A+

The CR had a well rounded Torah erudition that should class him with the greatest Torah masters. A prolific body of original learning in all areas is undeniable, even to his greatest critics.

17) Personal contact with followers: C

Personal contact only with most wealthy followers. Attempted to allow personal contact at great personal stress, by standing for hours in public as followers and admirers walked by.

18) Personal charisma: A+

Convinced followers that "walking by" was sincere personal contact. Developed advanced mythology around his personal history. Revered in some circles as the Messiah and even more.

19) Make followers aware of Moshiach: A+

Some followers are aware of little else

20) Bring Moshiach: Incomplete

A for effort, but no real accomplishment thus far.


Gravatar Gevezener, you're missing the point in "rekindling the machlokes". The armistice (not really a peace) was reached between traditional Jews and Chassidim on a basis of understanding that Chassidim will abandon their shtik, behave like normal Jews and keep the Chassidus as a nice relic (Satmar is a good example of just such an approach) and Misnagdim will stop active struggle (of course it's a simplification, but nevertheless it's basically true). MMS tried to restore Chassidus to its alleged glory, and, of course, all unspoken agreements were off. Basically, the main reason for the overwhelming majority of Admorim's unwillingness to criticize Chabad and MMS was understanding that MMS was standing up for their grandfathers. So it's really hard to criticize MMS without touching Besh"t & Co.


Gravatar is the rebbe wearing a yalmuka?


Gravatar Misnaged-in-law,
Firstly I want to commend you on your honesty.From previous posts I know that you are no fan of Lubavitch, but even so you stand up for the Rebbe when you think he was right.If only Lubavitchers could learn to sometimes agree with critiscm which in many cases is constructive, there would be chance of a constructive dialogue.As it stands it is always one sided they are always right even when they are clearly wrong:Case in points:The messianic 'forcing' the hand of G-d which has left Chabad in a crazy denial stupor, with many claiming the Rebbe to be alive and some going as far as claiming he is a deity.

I see your point about the Rebbe not 'causing' a rekindling of the age old fight, but don't really agree(it's late now. will clarify at a different time)Whatever the case he was not the long waited 'healer' during his period, machlokess grew immensly and lets not forget the fight with Satmar that could've been avoided.
Capital 'F' on this issue in my scorecard


Gravatar with regard to animosity with other groups, i believe that although there are many sides and angles to this issue, (in addition to the "it takes two to tango" etc.) one can say that on the contrary, within the system, where there was deep animosity (from both sides to the other side) the Rebbe minimized in the system the rift and attempted to bring awareness of others, for instance, when he so often would say "naharoh naharoh upashteh" and in many issues would attempt to bring within the circle of Chabad ideas that were not ingrained so much in the lifestyle and thought and the Rebbe attempted to change it.

While strengthening the connections to chassidus Chabad with all that entails and in the process he negated "apologetics" to "legitimize" the existence of chassidim and chassidus, at the same time he did attempt to inculcate in his followers notions that are common with other yidden and attempted to bring about what unites them rather than what separates them.

While it is not popular here to blame the followers for the failings and misgivings in many areas and the results in practice, and rather there is tendency to blame everything to the top, i really feel that on this issue, the "blame" is not on the top but rather to the pawns and and generals in many areas, who tried hard to perpetuate the separation and not seek to find ways to materialize the real wishes of the Rebbe which was and is to unite all segments of klal yisroel (while at the same time not giving in and not "Water" the message and teachings of chabad).


Gravatar seektruth, can you name any of the generals?


Gravatar TA,

I much dislike to mention particular names, i think it is needless in this context (and therefore LH).

What i can and would like to say though, is that the generals are people who were and are the people who the soldiers listen to (mashpiim and other spokespeople) and the masses listen to their interpretations of the message of the Rebbe at a particular time, and they were able to clour all the messages with the bygone animosity to other groups and never able to shake themselves of it while the Rebbe was looking for some different path and route.


Gravatar Seek truth,
I'm sorry but I disagree with your apologetics.Do you think it is intellectually honest to give credit to the Rebbe about the good things Lubavitch does and blame the strife and machlokes that they partially caused on 'pawns'?
I don't want to pick your post apart but your 'proof' that the Rebbe would 'allow' for other customs (naharo,naharo upashteh)is very patronizing.Lubavitch was and still is a small percentage of Orthodox Jewry, age old customs from long before the advent of Lubavitch do not need such 'permission'


Gravatar Gevezener,

sorry, but there is no "chiyuv" for me to blame the Rebbe on something that is clearly not so. You make an inflamatory accuation that the Rebbe "Rekindled" machlokess and want me to accept your biases without any reservations. IT just ain't so.

I'm not going to go back and forth...

Just going to make one point: the level fo animosity that exists in public speech and writing post 3 tammuz was not existent before 3 Tammuz in a public fashion. The Rebbe tamed the talks of the followers before...


Gravatar i don't know about post 3 tamus but the pre 3 tamuz that i remeber was not tame.


Gravatar Seek truth,
Why are you giving me such a feeling of hopelessness,is it really impossible to have a dialogue even with a decent non partisan Lubavitcher such as yourself? these are your words 'You make an inflamatory accusation that the Rebbe "Rekindled" machlokess and want me to accept your biases without any reservations. IT just ain't so. '
What is clearly no so?Have we not suffered a horrible, debilitatiting fight with Satmar for close to thirty years, ditto for the same with the yeshiva world?The rest of the frum world has also pretty much given a cold shoulder.Why?Is everyone to blame, besides the most charismatic leader of any chassidus, a man who's emmisaries criscross the globe was suddenly clueless about this horrible tension in our own Jewish family?I refuse to accept that the teaching of Tanya is important enough to undermine 'sholom',peace amongst Jews.
Seek truth:Ask yourself this:Why is it that Crown Heights and the other Chabad neighborhoods have zero diversity, while Boro Park,Flatbush,Lakewood, etc have so much.Is everybody just biased?


Gravatar Re rebeljew's report card, point 9.

As I am sure rebeljew is aware, Chabad (at least on the formal level, and certainly prior to 1989) did not formally involve itself with politics on the side of any one party. The Rebbe's instructions on the subject were general (the Hebrew "סתמי" is the more appropriate word here) to the extreme: to vote for the party that is "יותר חרדית". Which is לכאורה an implicit acknowledgement that there is potentially nobody to talk to. Cf TA's most recent post on Israeli politics.

Speculating on the spiritual reasons for such an approach would turn this comment into a rant. Suffice it to say though, that an Israel without one single "religious" party would potentially be much better for the religious in Israel than the current situation.


Gravatar A couple of quick questions for gevezener.

Would you care to comment why Israel has so much diversity, while Bnei Brak, Jerusalem, Boro Park etc. have so little - just the same "black" Doisim?

May I ask why Europe has so much respect for freedom of opinion, liberal views, etc. etc., and Israel (which a moment ago was "diverse"...) is just a bunch of monstrous occupiers who simply cannot accept what the entire world is telling them (so much so - that even liberal Europe cannot find a good word to put in for them...)?

The Gemara (Gittin 56b)records a profound comment by Titus: כל המוציא לישראל נעשה ראש. Worth reflecting on...


Gravatar Correction: כל המיצר לישראל נעשה ראש.


Gravatar But as rebbe of Lubavitch , as the leader of Lubavitch comunity , what grade does he get in light of a seeming inability to insure a smooth transition after his death ?


Gravatar Who said the "smooth transition" is in the job description?


Gravatar 770 bachur

Without doubt, the Rebbe wanted certain policies in Israel, like mihu Hayehudi and Shmiras Shabas. Whether he did this through the party structures or not is not relevant. I think we can all agree this is incomplete.

TA

One of the hallmarks of leadership and rulership is "legacy", making sure that your policies will be carried on after you are gone. No?


Gravatar The rebbe's position in Jewish life was the REBBE of LUBAVITCH.
He gets great grades on leadership in terms of Israeli politics. He has great grades in terms of foresight in the Baal Teshuvah movement. He also got great grades for leadership in Women's issues and other such contemporary issues. As the rav supposedly said the rebbe brought Judaism out into the American street.
But by not leaving any instruction for the future he insured a long period of chaos and strife in this movement.
Imagine a Lubavitch in 2005 guided by a young and active rebbe. Imagine how a living Rebbe would have impacted on the current critical political situation in Israel.
Imagine a rebbe ready to lead in such issues as the rejuvenation of Soviet Jewry. Perhaps he not a rich diamond merchant would set Chabad policy there.Imagine a forceful rebbe's impact on the youth of CH and the children of shluchim across the states.Imagine a new charged up rabbinate in CH.Perhaps a new rebbe would also travel across the US and Israel and bring his message to followers across the world.
Of course all these "imaginary scenes" would require power brokers to gve up power....
As rebbe of LUBAVITCH , the position in which he was chosen as a leader I think he gets grades less than a A+


Gravatar Schneur, is this your "I have a dream" drosha? ;)

I like it! Sad that almost no-one cares.


Gravatar Schneur, it is strange that you think the most important task was perpetuating of Lubavitch. This goal would have been too small for the Rebbe.


Gravatar TA; Both views have an abundance of evidence. The Rebbe was the leader of parochial chassidic sect. He was ALSO a motivational visionary to many Jews.


Gravatar The Rebbe was not yesh miAyin. Because he was Lubavitcher rebbe , he had a "pulpit" from which he could proceed with the agenda dear to him. Does anyone think that if he were the son in law of the talner rebbe , he could have done the same?
Lubavitch (Chabad) was throughout history one of the most important chasidic groups (together with Belz, Kotzk-Ger, Sadiger-Rizhin and tsandz)
Leaving this group leaderless and spiritually clueless as to the future hardly shows extra ordinary leadership.
Compare this to the following 2 contemporary instances. 1.
Several months ago Rav Amitla the rosh yeshiva in Gush Etzion reaching old age named 2 young men as his successors as rosh of the yeshiva. Neither is related to him. And 1 disagrees with Rav Amital's political views ??
2.Here in the USA Rabbi Henoch Leibowitz Shlit'a (being lo aleinu childless) rosh hayeshiva of
Chafetz chaim in Queens and director of the various snifim of this school (Israeli branch, various high schools, various regional cnters etc) named 2 senior talmidim Rabbi Harris and Grunblatt as his eventual successor.
In both cases the senior rav made sure that succession would be seemless and that the mosdos and derech they built and guided would continue to prosper under proper devoted leadership.


Gravatar From time to time I read your blog. You often have interesting info. posted on there - historical as well as curent. I am quite open-minded to the accomplishments, and lack thereof, of Chabad. However, your picture of the Rebbe without a kipa was extremely distrubing. What exactly was your point in showing that picture? I won't look to answer for it - as you probably are aware that the school probably demanded a picture of that sort. But why hurt so many people with showing it? Is your anger towards Chabad, and particularly FFB's within Chabad so strong? You are a talented individual. Focus on the positive you can accomplish, even through you bringing controversial issues to the forum. DOn't look to hurt people.


Gravatar The fact is that the Rebbe never liked that particular photo because it seems he is not wearing a yarmulke. I say 'seems' because it was further back on his head, obviously obscured from view in the photo.


Gravatar Jewish enquirer, and how do you know that?


Gravatar From one of the Rebbe's maskiras (Secretariat) who told me directly.


Gravatar And the Rebbe was nothing if not a very holy tzadik and that means he could not have possible gone without a yarmulka.


Gravatar Jewish enquirer, why dodn't you change your alias to National Enquirer?


Gravatar Gevezener,

Not wanting to hash back and forth the issue, i wanted mainly to reject completely your inflmatory accuation that the Rebbe "Rekindled" the old machlokess. This is, with all due respect nonsense and garbage. Whagtever difficulties you have in understanding the derech and path of the Rebbe it is nonsense to claim that he wanted to rekindle the old machlokess - on contrary he wanted to bring back the old teachings of chassidus in a way "sholom" aka "podoh besholom nafshi" but this for another time and discussion-.

I wanted to share with you to look a letter by the Rebbe around 13 kislev 5718 where the Rebbe answers someone regarding a particular issue -buying a piece of land in bays hachyim etc.- and the Rebbe's personal opinion was in favor of that, but he cautions there to rethink over from the angle that there should be no "taromess" (complaints) from the charedim. Hardly the attitude of someone who is ineterested to "REkindle" and cause strife.


Gravatar The picture is not from 1928. There's a passport picture taken the previous year in which the Rebbe seems 10-20 years younger. It most probably was in America in the 1940's.


Gravatar I think it's important to give voice to the 'generals' who are trying to make a difference in a positive direction. Like Manis who has been a stron anti-mishichist and outspoken about it. (You know he has a new blog too, bloggingrabbi.com.)I think he spends too much time focussing on the frei folks... we need him to work on some of our own. I know fisrt-hand a few ex-mishichist'n who he turned around.
If more 'generals' would stick their necks out we'd be in better shape.


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