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TA; It is clear enough that current Lubavitch is far from perfect. OTOH, I clearly remember a learned Litvak telling me that if 1 talmid in a 1000 turns out to be a talmid chocham then it was worth it.
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02.19.06 - 8:38 pm | #
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I don't know about the "most", perhaps some. Here is Boston Lubavitch franchise was and is a failure.
Tzemach Atlas |
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02.19.06 - 8:54 pm | #
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The defining moment is when the would be baal teshuva decides Chabad is not for them but stays frum anyways. Unless they still give big $$$$$ to Chabad they're GONE!
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In Melburne Australia the nepotism is quite obvious. Rabbi Groner, head shaliach, is too elderly and weak to lead, so his son in law Rabbi Telsner from London is taking over. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. And the family business of 'shlichus' stays in the family (Cosa Nostra)
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02.20.06 - 3:51 pm | #
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please no Anonymous posts.
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02.20.06 - 3:54 pm | #
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The problem with nepotism from shluchim is that it is accepted passively by its victims. No one comments on the absurdity of a shaliach who justifies his nepotism who says, "I didn't build this community so that so that a someone else could take it over". So much for so-called "mesiras nefesh" to do the Rebbe's work!
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Pmh, there is much more that is wrong with nepotism and that is that it allows incompetent people to get into positions they are not equipped for and in areas like community work and education this has disasterous consequences.
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If Shluchim treat their positions as private enterprises, then there shouldn't be a problem with nepotism. Just like any normal businessman would never allow his son to take over his company if he knew the child was incompetent. If, however, the CEO of a PUBLIC company taps his son as his heir, then there may be room for speculation that he cares more for his kid than for the company.
If a certain Shliach feels that he has built up an institution and that his chlidren are most capable of replacing him, why should we assume that he cares more for the kid than for the Mosad he built from scratch with his own sweat and blood? Which normal parent would allow his child to take him over, knowing that the son would bury the "company"?
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02.20.06 - 10:07 pm | #
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you need to read this:
http://www.mentalblog.com/2005/0...f-
nepotism.html
and the rest:
http://del.icio.us/mentalblog.co...og.com/
Nepotism
Tzemach Atlas |
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02.20.06 - 10:10 pm | #
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whats wrong with the rambam who says that the son takes over?
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02.20.06 - 11:51 pm | #
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Sloamen; Your reasoning is flawed because the private enterprise flourishes or fails on results. Organizations such Lubavitch franchises that don't report on results.
Anonymous; Reread the conditions in the Rambam more carefully. In the worst case, a childless leader may leave behind an unmanagable power vacuum. There is no shortage of examples.
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02.21.06 - 10:59 pm | #
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To the Anonymous about Melbourne:
At least Telsner knows how to crack good jokes
yoshe kalb |
02.22.06 - 3:58 am | #
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Check out the cover to the new Youth cd of his
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Im a Conservative Jew who sometimes davens at my local Chabad, and goes to other events there.
I certainly end up doing more mitvohs than I would if Chabad didnt exist, though Im not inclined to become Lubavitch, Chassidic, or even Orthodox. I think thats at least in part what the Rebbe intended, no? (not that he didnt want every Jew to become frum, but that every additional mitzvoh performed was accounted a "return" on Chabad kiruv, no?)
I dont know for sure what the local Chabad Rabbi's real innner view of the Rebbes status wrt moshiach really is, though AFAICT theyre not of the school that sees the Rebbe as moshiach. But since what I get out of Chabad is a chance to daven, a kosher meal, some learning (including once some study of the tanya) Im not that concerned about these subtelties.
And yes, I just wandered after doing a google search for something unrelated to Chabad. So be aware, you dont know who is reading you ;)
OTOH, the Chabad/yeshivish lingo makes it hard for an outsider to follow the discussion, so maybe you dont have to worry ;)
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