mentalblog.com comments:
here I said it.
Lighten up Tzemach :) I think you may be a bit too harsh. Many people do not readily accept the "boring and unimaginative life." HaShem created a diverse and interesting world. It is there (both internally and externally). There are many who deny that it exist or wish that it didn’t, but the fact remain that it is (“out” or maybe “in”) there for us to look at and ponder upon, so cheer up. There is a world behind the fence. Remember the Stalker?
a shame how in yemai hasefirah you write such a 'poetic' pathetic post. Zman matan torahseinu- 'moshe hasn't come down from the mountain! no matter what we've seen and what we've heard- it died with moshe on the mountain! let us look to new things and leave the old message behind" and behold a golden calf. we choose, each and everyone of us whether the message lives or it dies with us (mah zaro bchaim af hoo bchaim).
when i learned smicha i often heard the koontz of being a rav is not when assering but when finding the heter.
i think we are all to well aware that lubavitch has major issues- and it's a davar hapashut that this would be the case when we haven't seen our Rebbe in 12 years. so after a number of months of seeing the same regurgitated tedious tirade of complaints it becomes just that, tedious. so here's the question- if it's tedious why so many readers (hits)? as you have posted many times- why do i keep coming back?
it seems a bit paradoxical that many disenchanted youth/people like to claim their issues to lie in 'the go with the flow attitude' so prevalent in insular religious circles. yet the same people will often claim it is the breakdown of the community, the failure to live up to it's ideals or the acts of certain others that resulted in their disenchantment. and to spell it out here lies the paradox- either you take issue with the fact that the social pressures as opposed to ones personal decisions are what influence ones faith - or - my faith has been perverted, corrupted and raped by the failure of the community, and or certain individuals. it's self-evident that it's contradictory to lay claim to both and reflects on a certain lack of honesty with ones self, and although not a psychologist, i'd say it is symptomatic of one who seeks to validate his actions, afterthefact.
so is chabad dead or are we dead begs the question.
Begin learning Izbitzer Chassidus-
Its main rule is there are no rules. And even that isn't a rule.
Interesting. Thank you for posting this. I look forward to reading the reactions. I'm too timid to post something like this, and I would for the sake of discussion (I haven't decided to agree or disagree and I probably never will, sad, huh?)
Lighten up. Moshe been gone a long time. Do it with no rules. almostholy but not sure.
I agree it gets monotonous and tedious but you can't give up at the last minute. Hang in there, this slide down hill will stop, then we will go even higher.
Interesting and familiar. Thank you Mental.
we'll live, aftzeloches.
And I hate to rehash the old line, but...
"G-d is dead."
-Nietzsche
"Nietzsche is dead."
-G-d
770, Nietzsche is dead, but his premonition about the European civilization breaking it’s religious legacy proven to be true.
P.S. keep on quoting bava kama to explain the Internet. This is the eternal curse.
By the way this is why so many Shluchim are morons, they can say what they want without anybody calling them to task on it because it doesn’t suppose to make sense.
By the way in case there is a G-d I need his help today. So let me go daven now..
It's a long-distance run as much as a sprint. Yahser koach.
to: how bril....a.p.
"a shame how in yemai hasefirah you write such a 'poetic' pathetic post."
on sfira, we give our brain a holiday, you're saying?
"Zman matan torahseinu- 'moshe hasn't come down ............. (mah zaro bchaim af hoo bchaim)."
reasons to stop thinking, are a plenty, if it is not zeman something, it's somrebody's hillula, all year round.
"when i learned smicha i often heard the koontz ..... our Rebbe in 12 years. "
If one still hopes to see his rebbe after 12 years, and does not find any use of all other rabbanim that upheld our faith thru the generations-without resorting to considering themselves messiah's- we have a problem.
you maybe right in the fact that no amount of regurgitating the same lines could be ever helpful to some. umuuvvat lo yukhal litkon.
that's why one day, our rabbis of old, decided to draw a line and call the minim minim, no matter how attractive their message seemed to some. -:)
Tzemach; You are a bit of a Kotzker in the way you look for EMES. Very few of the modern world can live up to this standard. Thank you for putting your thought provoking questions in the public arena to dispel complacency.
Tzemach . . .
To "how brilliant a post"
"i think we are all to well aware that lubavitch has major issues-....either you take issue with the fact that the social pressures as opposed to ones personal decisions are what influence ones faith - or - my faith has been perverted, corrupted and raped by the failure of the community, and or certain individuals."
"so is chabad dead or are we dead begs the question"
in a certain way the answer is, both aren't doing very well. Both need some kind of positive change in their inertia. Which comes first the cart or the horse? I say it about time chatoif uchal chatoif ushti.. let the first one come first.
look at how all of us here hide behind anonymous names pontificating on the absolute explanations to the woes of our existence.
why the hell aren't there some Nachshons as the Rebbe said one two three who will challenge the unfortunate status quo?? Why isn't anyone brave enough to stand tall and proud instead of stifling any effort being made to make positive improvements?
i saw a vort from the chofetz chaim
"For the believer there are no questions, For the non-believer there are no answers".
i am not advocating brainless and blind faith. Ou contraire! In drawing a parallel from zman matan T. i was simply stating it would be a mistake to miss the lessons of our past and history.
just to throw in another little case of irony (?) it almost seems that if we lubavitchers had a little less emunas chachamim/tzadikim we'd be a little closer to emunas hashem- although i don't believe this to be truly the case but it seems so at a superficial glance. it's no secret the Rebbe's many havtochos and after so long it is only natural for one to begin to question- everything. i wish it were so easy to roll over and find "other rabbanim that upheld our faith " but as chassidim it doesn't work quite so. (Vyamenu B'Hashem UBIMOSHE Avdo- der zelba emunah)
In regards to Tzemachs post- the air that shluchim poof (?) i agree- and i think the Rebbe also said something in a similar vein- "if there were even ten that could scream ad mosai mit an emes..." the difference being the Rebbe seeked to motivate us not to hand out permission slips to roll over bc it's a lost cause. Tzemach, chabad is you and me, chassidus and Rebbe. As soon as we make our hiskashrus talui on other(s) factors we have already derailed ourselves from the Rebbe-Chossid relationship and instead have entered the "rat race" so common in so many circles. Zei G and shtark
OUCH! That was depressing. Aber l'maaseh Torah tavlin. The fact is that the Torah lives and its ideas are alive and well. It's up to individuals to take heed. Noe the Rebbe not The Gedolim, who once seemed so real, but now seem like a distant memory. I* remember a kid in a modern day school we used to laugh when the rebbeim told us that goyishe music was assur. We used to laugh about movies and TV as well. Now that I have kids myself and now that our culture has digressed to the point that my mother knows who fifty cent & Eminemare I see they were so right. It's hard to argue against the Internet> Just the amount of time wasted discussing pointless matters involving loshon harah r'chilus etc... They all have their toll. K'lal Yisroel is in trouble. The world is in trouble. What will be the result???
A good post Tsemach ... sometimes a parent is mum because he knows that if he interferes the kids will never learn how to deal with each other independently.
So ... are you starting a new movement that I can join?
i must partially retract my earlier statement in which i agreed that 'shluchim...air' - although as a reader i have come to believe tzemach finds himself in one of the shlichus disaster zones- i think it would be dishonest to forget those shluchim who live on a daily basis with mesiras nefesh- and the motivation being their tremendous hiskashrus- and this and this only is what they live on. to discredit this as 'air' would only be discrediting ones self.
Your post is not accurate as far as misnagdim are concerned. The level of learning in todays litivshe yeshivas far surpasses the level of learning of the past 2 generations.
Yes, there are many problems, but overall we are growing by leaps and bounds.
"tricks are for kids" ever seen the commercial?!! we have no magic happy jew button, it's what you make of it.
misnagdim are growing line an ingrown toenail.
Time there was someone brave enough to say this:The Rebbe screwed up big time!
His messianic messages such as promises that our generation is the last generation of golus, trying to force Hashems hand so to speak etc have all turned out to be for naught.This was forewarned by people even smarter than the Rebbe namely our Talmudic sages through the ages who warned about 'dechikas haketz' and 'mechashvei kitzin'.This is especially true in light of the false messiahs who have always brought pain and destruction in their wake, from Yoshkeh to Shabsai Zvi.We are seeing these things with the new Lubavitch religion with 'Nachshoins' such as 'Rabbi' Ariel Sokolvsky actually calling the Rebbe 'Creator'.Time will tell how fast this catches on in Lubavitch but I hear that the preeminent Lubavitch yeshiva in North America, Oholei Torah (the Rebbes mosad)has a 7 foot tall portrait of the Rebbe in the beth medrash.Yes it is not yet on the wall faced when davening but it is a first, as far as I know at least, no other orthodox denomination will allow pictures of man in a sanctuary used for prayer.
How many misnagdim do you bump into in Boston?
Lakewood is doing quite well, though for the sake of accuracy, there are very few 'misnagdim' there
Yehuda, the Mithnagdic faith is bound to explode very soon, as they are fast running out of money to sustain their lifestyle.
TWT, I went to a snag yeshivah, and in the beis medrash which was ONLY used for teffilah there were pictures of all the "Gedolim" on every wall. But nice try, and goodluck with your future attempts.
Shmuel Krauss, get lost before I ban you, moron.
I was turned on to this blog by a Chaver that asked why I post.
Reb Tzemach I am new here.. so let me ask you a few questions (by the look of your blog, you seem to have opinions about aletz)
What does Biagio Antonacci's music do for you, and why?
do you have a seder to learn chasidus?
if yes, how do you chose what to learn?
if not, why?
did you read the simchas torah sicha of 5685....
you seem to be writing that all H*** has broken lose in the ruchnius of chabad since the histalkus, or was it before?
I am going to call myself "frum again chosid" as that is how I define myself.
look forward to your answers
frum again chosid, the person on my staff who is in charge of fan mail and press quires is currently on vacation. I will let him know to get back to you at the first opportunity.
Tzemach,
Could someone start a discussion as to when the Messianic ferver started in Lubavitch? I've seen it attributed to the Rasha"b but I find it hard to believe. The fact that the Rayatz and the Mahra"m kept on stressing that moshiach is coming immediately, strikes anyone outside of Lubavitch as being irresponsible.
You definitely don't see any of it in the chassidus of the earler rebbes.
Someone should map out all the tekufos in the last 70 years when Lubavitch entered this phase.
One is 1943-48?
Something started in the 70's but I'm not sure if it was incremental or if it just showed up one day. One ex-Lubavitcher told me that when the Rebbe restarted the Sefer Torah shel Moshiach campaign in 1970 that it was the beginning of the upsurge.
It became very noticeable in the Mems, when every year was given this acronym thing, which with the letter mem ended up being moshiach.
Then of course you've got the Nuns which is another story altogether.
But I'm more interested in the progression from 1970-1990.
yehupitz, stop this is stupid. I don't care for this conversation. yehupitz, i ment to tell you, you are an idiot too.
me???
I was responding to Yehuda.
I am one of the least idiotic commentators you've got! If you can't see that, you must be having a really bad day...
Yehupitz, you need to get angry about something. It's good for the creative juices. Peace of mind = complacency = idiocy ;)
TA, what is bothering you?
I actually enjoyed your post a lot.
Shmuel Krauss, the are some of commentators that never add anything, they contribute moronic rants, thank you for the complement but you are in that category.
Tzemach, you are obviously one very sick puppy. Sure, Lubavitch has problems - who doesn't ? So you object to various positions the rebbe took, or how he chose to run the movement...ok, I'm sure you'll do a much better job running yours. And no. being an armchair 'expert' doesn't give you any rights at all. AS FOR YOUR DEPRESSION.... i SUGGEST STARTING A DRUG PROGRAM, GETTING STONRD. OR WRITING A BOOK...lol
Hey pal; Siteowners have the right of free speech and don't need your hechsher.
Castellano,
"I'm sure you'll do a much better job running yours". Anybody would especially now that we have all of the Rebbe's grievous mistakes to learn from. BTW your post has the tone of a 14 year-old. Grow up and face the truth.
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