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A pathetic case of denial.....
"The brand has split."
That's probably true, but I am not at all sure about the statistics. The heavy presence of the yellow-flag-sporting dark-skinned Israeli guests here during tishrei makes a certain impression, to be sure. But I doubt it is fully representative even of the Israeli Chabasd reality - after all, the other kind of Israeli Lubavitchers do not make the pilgrimage to CH for the tishrei holidays in the post-gimmel tammuz era one of the ikkrei hoemunoh. And ‘yellow-fever’ is most definitely not spreading among the American Lubavitchers. In fact, the opposite is true; especially since the tzfatim have turned off many otherwise meshichist-leaning American bachurim.
But as to the ‘split of the brand’ - I do not see how it can be avoided. This split is more than just ideological or theological. It goes much deeper and touches upon that which can’t be argued or ‘explained away’ - the very core existential questions that define one’s being. These days I can sometimes look at another Lubavitcher and know that we have nothing in common at all. The truth is, I had similar feelings in 1988 at the Rebetzin’s levaya as I looked at the throngs of bachurim pushing their way to stare at the Rebbe at this moment of his unspeakable tzaar. At that time I could afford (?) not to dwell on these thoughts. This is no longer the case today. Do I speak only for myself? I doubt it.
Good tzushtell about yechi and na nach being the same.
Nice pics! Hopefully we will all still merit that through our hiskashrus to the Rebbe as is so strongly exemplified by the current chassidim, never giving up, we will very soon merit the hisgalus of the Rebbe as Mashiach.
By the way, though the pictures are great, if you'd have a pic of yourself too, perhaps we can arrange the perfect shidduch too. She won't be a 'crazy' meshichist!
I object to the "dark-skinned Israeli" insinuation. (No surprise to the cognoscenti.) as I strongly doubt that melanin is a factor. That said, I too am conditoned to "kill" on or about the 1000th iteration of Yechi Adoneinu.
Neil,
You haven't a clue. It is not a matter of denial but of affirmation and the argument is over the concepts and forms it should adopt and follow. In fact the only aspect of denial that is manifest is one well centered in Torah, i.e. the effort to lift the veils that appear to divide ruchnius and gashmius. Just try it this way: Try stating that Eliyahu does not attend every bris or that he did not enter the heavens alive upon a chariot of fire and you are skirting apikorsis. The fault arises when we believe and act as if we have any genuine knowledge of what this really means instead of the exercising our hearts and minds to instill the emmunah and humility that it is meant to engender and the concommitant conduct it enjoins.
bottom line
all lubavitcher are nuts
moshicstim and anti
what the people sleeping in the ohel or around the ohel is normal
and all theses "new lubavitchers" from erez yisroel rolling intown
to be close to the rebbe
Baruch, how can exercising one's mind lead to humility in your terms? It's a contradiction.
"Try stating that Eliyahu does not attend every bris or that he did not enter the heavens alive upon a chariot of fire and you are skirting apikorsis."
The former is a folktale. The latter is the halakhic consensus in the Gemara.
Nachum,
There is nothing inherent in humility or intellect to render them antagonists. On the contrary one can not truly possess one without the other. Case in point, wasn't Meishe Rabbeinu possessed of unequaled humility.
I am not aware of the nafka mina la'halacha of Eliyahu's ascension to heaven and would appreciate a citation. As far as folklore is concerned; The ancient (Mid. Tanchuma) tradition of anticipating the participation of Eliyahu is not something so easily dismissed as a folktale. The greatest men of stature throughout the generations observed this aspect of the rite of Bris Milah and nowhere do we find that they found it beneath their intelllect or dignity. Its universality throught the disapora is also a testament to its truth and power. This all serves to emphasize my earlier point that when approaching matters of ruchnius we must exercise great caution.
der kaltkeit...shmekt fun apikorsus
The sad thing is the many, many people who have never seen the rebbe when he was alive and who now, after his death, deify him in some crazed obsession to display their piety for everyone to see.
The only hope is for individuals to leave Crown Heights. While I lived there, I was the same as all of them. Then the brainwashing fades, slowly but surely.
Chabbad is the modern-day version of Shabtai Tzvi. It was whacked when their rabbi was alive and is downright dangerous now.
Yechi Rov David Berger!
To Chussid Of The Gr"a: you mean misnaged of the Gr"a.
B"H
OT Bochur the Alter Rebbe adressed the Gr'a as "saintly chossid" even after Gr'a placed Chassidim in Cherem see Biography of the Alter Rebbe published by Kehos: http://store.kehotonline.com/
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But i doubt that he is playing of that since he sounds too ignorant to know this I guess he just means follower.
The cute thing to do in such cases is to ask the "chossid" of Gr'a or Rav Shach or whoever to quote something from their "rebbe" most of the time they can't do it. But I guess since we are online it's much easier for him to google something than for someone to remember something they never learned so I'll not ask him:-)
Gut Moed!
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