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Tzemach! You poor thing! You really meant it when you said that you have no place to go for Rosh Hashannah!
Tony, People tell me you are not a BT and you must be in your 30s and you took a movie course or something. The logic goes like this. His Yiddish and Hebrew is indicative that he is not a BT. Also it is impossible to imagine that a BT will say something bad about Jacobsons. I have to admit that I though you were in your 50s.
Simon thinks you are an alter ego of Kuti or Mendelbaum, true?
BH
tzemach i see you came to crown heights like all the others to get koiches for the next year.(albeit it is schorah to keep basmutzen lubavitch)
nu so mechisitin scream in shul and with posters. and destroy lubavitch. and you tezmach? are you any better?
may hashem bless you with all that you want nad need betoich hanireh vehanigleh un in a griger oifen. ubefrat gezunt un a shiduch mit dem richtigeh zivuk.
now maybe you asppire to the story i heard. now it doesnt sound true so i am stating this now. i heard it and i dont know if it is true.maybe some of the maskilim ob here can cofirm or deny.
the story goes that herzl went to many rabonim to sign for him that what he is doing is ok. he went to the chofetz chzyim and he sign for him then he went to the chazon ish (i think that is the person they said) and asked him to sign he said no way this guy herzl is a frayak not a shoimer torah.. so they told him but the chofetz chayim signed? so he said oiy that is what happens when you dont speak loshan horah
i guess you wanna make sure everyone knows .....
litzman,
without even checking any details on this, i can assure you that the "story" לא היה ולא נברא
faruq, come on!
! יע גיווען, ניט גיווען - א מעשה שהיה
Ughh!
The pain never ends. I cried so much on gimmel tammuz. I heard in the street in CH "This is not what the Rebbe promised!"
Where was the soul searching? When something seemingly bad happens, the first step is self-appraisal. Who did a cheshbon hanefesh?
Idiots were playing tambourines at the ohel! Others said "Why should six feet of earth and stone stop him?"
I cried for years that there was an apparent permanent divide between normals and mishichistim.
Now, I cry that the split between normals and mishichistim is growing wider. And, perhaps inevitably to become truly different religions.
So much to cry about, and only ten days of tshuvah...
berl, lol.
but that was exactly what i meant , as in:
"איוב לא היה ולא נברא אלא משל היה" ;)
faruq, I just wanted to share that beautiful yiddish retort. :)
hey i never said it was true i said it twice
but it sure sound cute even if it is not true
and maybe we can learn something. what i am not sure exactly
"Also it is impossible to imagine that a BT will say something bad about Jacobsons."
Then what, my dear Tzemach, are you?
Yes, the divide is steadily widening. While it seems that most Israeli Chabad youth today are indoctrinated into the yellow dogma the very opposite is occurring to their American counterparts. I just heard a bocher from a long time Mishichist family cursing the Tzfatim to damnation. So while the Yellow Taliban continues on its way to dominate Chabad in Israel most of the Americans simply have had enough. The shuls and shteibles across Crown Heights were JAMMED with people who had enough of the 770 freak-show. Look at the size Beis Shmuel has grown. There are now a group of younger, frumer ,recently married guys that put a new shul together last year Rosh Hashonoh and continued in the back room of NCFJE .They just moved into where Beis Shmuel davens and had 60 couples for Rosh Hashonoh. There are more and more Minyonim opening up in crown heights for this very reason. Soon there will be no more normal people in 770 at all and then they can really bark at the moon! The gaboyim have zero control of the place as was clearly seen at the fiasco by the aliyos on Yom Tov.
>>Tony, People tell me you are not a BT
Who are "people"? Berl?
>>and you must be in your 30s
Why 30s? Is it my smarmy gen-X tone, or my cultural references?
>>and you took a movie course or something.
What movie course? Go down to NYU and see if the film majors ever saw any movie older than Jaws.
>>The logic goes like this. His Yiddish and Hebrew is indicative that he is not a BT.
I write on this blog in English. What is my English indicative of? Ohelei Torah? Although, maybe I took an English course or something.
>>Also it is impossible to imagine that a BT will say something bad about Jacobsons.
My father taught me to hate Jacobsons! :)
>>I have to admit that I though you were in your 50s.
And you don't anymore?
>>Simon thinks you are an alter ego of Kuti or Mendelbaum, true?
Simon Jacobson? What does he care? It's all publicity for him. And what do you mean "alter ego"? You mean like a pen-name? I don't think Kuti or Mandelbaum have internet access. And which Kuti? Feldman or Rapp? I can understand people equating my brash style with Mandelbaum, but nothing I write is reminiscent of either of the Kuties.
Tzemach, the minute you successfully label me, you will have completely rendered my presence here utterly pointless. I come here to be myself, not to have to be the "self" that I have to be all day.
In the words of Prince:
I just cant believe all the things people say -- controversy
Am I black or white? am I straight or gay? -- controversy
Do I believe in god? do I believe in me? -- controversy
Controversy controversy
I cant understand human curiosity -- controversy
Was it good for you? was I what you wanted me to be? -- controversy
Do you get high? does your daddy cry? -- controversy
Controversy controversy
Tony, my thinking was that you are BT in your 50s with the past knowledge of pop culture. Berl thinks that your command of Yiddish means that you are not a BT and therefore you are self tough movie buff in your 30s. I think that your intimate knowledge could not be taught.
Simon thinks you must reveal your name if you criticize him. This is an unreasonable request. You are entitled to your animosity and there will remain two great mysteries of mentalblog, who is faruq and who is Tony.
Really why do you single out Jacobsons?
>>Berl thinks that your command of Yiddish means that you are not a BT and therefore you are self taught movie buff in your 30s.
Berl is a classist ass-hole. Ken er gein kaken af'n shvartz'n yam. (No offense, Berl, I do respect you, but you remind me right now of the phonetics professor, Henry Higgins, in My Fair Lady who tries to peg everybody by their accent.)
>>I think that your intimate knowledge could not be taught.
That's for sure. I spent hours of perfectly good bitul Teirah time by myself in front of a video screen!
>>Simon thinks you must reveal your name if you criticize him. This is an unreasonable request. You are entitled to your animosity and there will remain two great mysteries of mentalblog, who is faruq and who is Tony.
Simon doesn't care who I am. Don't you understand that? It's part of his warm, fuzzy, vulnerable professor role to pretend to be slighted. To him, I am indeed Dovid ben Yaakov Dov.
>>Really why do you single out Jacobsons?
I could tell you who else I don't like in Lubavitch, but it's Eseres Yemei HaTeshuvah. I don't like Simon and YY because they are bull-shitters. I don't like bull-shitters. Although, I do sometimes enjoy a GM Garelik farbrengen. But that's only because he is open about the fact that he is an entertaining bull-shitter.
"classist... Henry Higgins"
LOL! Well, well - I am often told these very things in real life. I guess that means I come here without shedding the 'the "self" that I have to be all day'. ;)
And Tony, Henry Higgins never gets it wrong... :) so the only thing I am not sure about now is your age (I can write a short pilpul on this, but will leave it at that).
I do have to say that the discussion about the typology of Tony Montana is not appropriate in this venue; I only piped-up after my opinion on this matter was flushed out by Tony and TA.
And I have to say that BSing is not enough of a disqualification. What is no BSing these days?
btw, a little dikduk quiz:
does anyone know why it's 'aseres' yemei teshuvoh and not 'eser'? hint: same reason applies to 'sheishes' yomim taaveid.
he-he, a dikduk mistake in a dikduk quiz! it sould read "'aseres' yemei teshuvoh and not 'asoroh'.
צניינא? שטיינא טרציינא
faruq, correct:
'שבעת ימים' - זאגט רש"י: 'שטיינא של ימים'
but do elaborate. and are you inventing Old French words? ;)
I am a tzugekumena, being that I moved over from a Polisher Chasidus a little more than 20 years ago, with that said....
1) There is no "split" in Lubavitch.
Split is what just happened in Bobov, what just happend in Satmar and several others. K'mat all Lubavitcher families are still marrying into each other including leading believers and non-believers. We are all still living in the same community & fighting for the same Rebbe. What we have here is differnces of opinions.
2) Breng mir nisht keyn raya, how the shuls were full, since I sent a group of people to C.H for R'H & I have spoken to several locals who have told me that 770 was more full this year than any other year in the past!! So, all that means is that we are growing ka'h at a rate quicker than anyone imagined. A few yungerlayt (some of who are major $upporter$ of mine) making an exist so that they could take their kinderlach to shul on Y'T should not lead you to believe that there is a revolution on the way. Wait till simchas Torah, ven dee zelb er chevra nemen mashke & you will see that when nichnas yayin, alle zagen yechi, I saw it myself last year!
While my heart bleeds, I have a far different cry than yours. It seems you are looking, hoping, grasping for a split, while I cry for usa to all just get along.
i don't know why constr. form is used in עשרת ימי תשובה. but i awlays had this feeling that this form denotes a state of conjunction. in other words,the days comprise a unified period of time.
ah, forget about it. as usual, i don't know what i am talking about.
Shliach in the US , "I cry for usa to all just get along."
You are not only a poylisher but an American to the bone. Hence you borrowed slogans. While at it get along with the rest of the denominations. Idiot!
"... this form denotes a state of conjunction. in other words, the days comprise a unified period of time. "
- bingo! exactomundo!
since faruq is being a bit 'fancy', I will attempt to paraphrase him in simpler words:
עשרה ימים - ten days
עשרת ימים - ten consecutive days (the literal translation: 'ten of days')
the latter form of the number (known as the נסמך form) is used to decribe lump sums of money as well, as in עשרת אלפים ככר כסף
First of all, I am of Russian descent, as if that matters at all....
(get with the lingo, a "polisher Chasid" in Lubavitch means anything other than a Lubavitcher, even though there are at least a dozen other Russian chassidusin).
Secondly, very mature of you to catch onto the typo, and to finish using a word like "idiot" you obviously cant be spoken to...
Lastly, this was my first time on this site, someone forwarded to me an e mail, you have lots of time on your hands, something I dont.
Get a life & gmar chasima tova.
Shliach in the US, you should be relieved of your job next year; you can only do damage to the Jewish people. Have a great year otherwise.
Just a guy, Great, your back to your old self, I was getting worried.
I just got a fantastic idea for a mentalblog musical based on My Fair Lady (based on GB Shaw's Pygmalion).
Henry Higgins (Berl), an arrogant dikduk professor, brags to Colonel Pickering (Faruq), that he can teach any girl to speak "aza heimishe Yiddish" that he could pass her off as gezhe - even Eliza Doolittle, a Machon Chanah girl who plays guitar and wears Birkenstock sandels. After overhearing this, Eliza offers to pay the professor for "elocution lessons" so that she can score an FFB shiduch. Pickering bets Higgins that he cannot make good on his claim.
At first Eliza makes no progress, but just as she thinks the idea is hopeless, suddenly she "gets it." (By George, She's Got It!)
Higgins takes her on her first public appearance at a l'chaim at FREE where she makes a good impression with her snobby, aristorcatic Russian attitude, only to shock everyone with her gauche baal teshuva-isms such as "Lubovitcher chasids" and "yeishus-ness". Higgins, who dislikes the pretentiousness of the gezhe anyway, is somewhat proud of Eliza for deflating their pomposity.
The bet depends on Eliza's passing as gezhe at the Duchman chasunah, which she does successfully despite the presence of a discerning Jewish geneology expert (Shneur, NY), who is completely taken in.
But Higgins's yeishus-ness and ungrateful boasting of his success leads Eliza to walk out on him, leaving the seemingly clueless Higgins mystified by her ingratitude.
LOL
Schneur will insist that Eliza's Yiddish has an unmistakably-Klimovitch inflection and that the Neveler-sounding pronunciation an affectation. ;)
I though i saw you on rosh hashanah in 770. you were walking behind Simon Jacobson.
OT, I ate two meals by Simon, so I might have been walking with him.
Looks like I was mechavein ledaas gedeilim when I said that the 'split of the brand' was a fait accompli. (Note that article has more than 170 comments!)
Berl, don't you have a feeling they are already behind the curve on this one. I feel like he is 15 years late with his conclusions. It is McLuhan again:
http://www.mentalblog.com/2006/1...nto-
future.html
Yes, it is 'late' in terms of time, but not 'late' as in 'something could have been done about it 15 years ago'.
And yes, it is very difficult for mere mortals to gain perspective on their own condition without the benefit of hindsight. That is why awareness of historic precedent is so important. And in that light, why would anyone think that there would not be a 'split of the brand' post gimmel Tammuz? After all, Chabad under the Rebbe was a 'large tent' that made room for disparate people, many of them with little in common beside their admiration of the Rebbe. And in the past, after the histalkus of seminal leaders (the Alter Rebbe & the Tzemach Tzedek), Chabad has split (the fact that the same didn't occur after the Rebbe Rashab was, I think, more a function of the general state of emergency rather than of people's particular devotion to the Freirdiker Rebbe in 1920).
Once again Berl, the examples you brought was a transition to a different Rebbe or a number of Rebbes, etc….
I would also take exception to Brods declaration that just now after the Kinnus suddenly he no longer keep his silence. If this was an honest statement he or others should have spoken and acted on it long time ago (15 years ago is when I predicated this and spoke to people urgently about the future, I was waved off). A so now the split is fait accompli like you say. But I do not think its so bad, I promote more splits. The future is in the creative birth of the new movements not adherence to the communist unity.
Splitting for its own sake is anarchy. The outcomes will probably be indistinguishable from the dysfunction of today. I can only hope that the brand splitting causes improvement and avoid the mediocrity of "jobs for the boys". Achieving this goal should only require a miracle.
But I do not think its so bad, I promote more splits.
Nor did I suggest that a split was a bad thing.
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