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Is this open to any Rabbi that wants to attend? I am curious to hear what they have to say.
I am planning to crash it. The session starts this afternoon. I don't see why they would stop people from attending, particularly you, the real Rabbi.
Frankly this conference does not interest me as Orthodoxy is so loosely organized and there are so many Lone Ranger Orthodox and (not so) Orthodox rabbis rabbis that very little control can be exerted over them.
But as far as rabbi Tropper goes, let us not become callous to some serious issues.Obviously a Jewish layman can do whatever he wants as long as its legal and moral.But lets face it a rabbi and leader is held to a higher standard. This women he married was not only some one who he was involved in bringing to orthodoxy , she was also a very attractive model if my memory serves me corrcectly. A long story about this women appeared in the Women's section of the JEWISH PRESS about 10 years ago.There are many stories about Orthodox rabbis in good standing who divorced their wives to marry Girls who they converted or helped in bringing to Judaism. Nothing wrong, but how does the fornmer wife feel, how do the children feel , when Mommy is dumped by a "sexy newcomer " to Judaism.
You are right romance is important , but the alternative to Rabbi T. is not a eunech , there are numerous rabbis etc from all sorts of Yeshivoth with "no history " who have the guts , ideals and ability to lead such an organization.
Should Orthodoxy reward the concept trophy wives too ?
Schneur, you are right. BT Rabbi is like a psychiatrist, there is a conflict of impropriety.
i wonder if crc's not attending has to do w/ slights to r' g.d. schwartz last time around.
I don't think that's R. Hershel Schachter in the picture.
And wasn't Leib Tropper involved in the anti-Slifkin campaign?
I am amazed that the event of this magnitude was completely stealth as far as Boston's Jewish community is concerned. Nobody knows about this in Boston.
Gil, I read that Tropper was involved in the anti-Slifkin campaign on some of the blogs. I don't know any details.
I am thinking of going back there with a big sign: "Yehi Novi Ezra Le'Olam Voed"!
Shnuer said,
Frankly this conference does not interest me as Orthodoxy is so loosely organized and there are so many Lone Ranger Orthodox and (not so) Orthodox rabbis rabbis that very little control can be exerted over them.
You can exchange Orthodox for Chabad and the same is true for the current situation in Chabad and its' Rabbis.
The three goons Shemtov the crafty one, Krinsky the Baal Hagoloh and Kotlarsky trying very hard to prop up the Baal Hagoloh in his fights with Shemtov has brought only disgrace to the leadership and centralization of the Chabad Org.
We need new leaders in Chabad.When it stinks it's from the head. Wether its geirus or the many other issues facing Chabad and Judaism, if there is a stinky leadership everything else also stinks.
Out with the incumbents they've disgraced Chabad.
I was there between 4 and 5PM.You probably came just as I left. I did not know anyone there besides Rabbi Halbfinger who was working on the Kashrut. Rabbi tropper did come up to me and asked who I was. He was Pareve neither friendly or unfriendly.I did get a friendly Shalom Aleichem from Rabbi Lau who recognized that I am from Chabad.
Ma. Rabbi, I was asked by Tropper's gabbay Balaban to leave. He actually asked Tropper on what to do with me. It was just before you came. The main event is at 9:45 pm today. I am thinking of going anyway.
You should have seen this guy shaking when I told him I am a blogger and I don’t have an invitation. Makes you wonder what do they have to hide. Idiots, one doesn’t need to sit on the conferences to learn the dirt about them. Even if I don't go I will have a full report tomorrow morning from people who they went out of their way to invite.
Mrs Liba Tropper is not a giyores; she is a baalas tshuva and indeed is a former model from a wealthy background.
Der Shygetz, nobody said here she is a giyores. She is Jewish, we know that.
TA, help me out here, is Rabbi Tropper's yeshivah the very same outfit our friend grose tearfully endorsed on this very blog as prime example of ‘BT-mainstreaming’? If so, you have to acknowledge that, at the very least, Rabbi Tropper certainly mainstreamed one BT and thus he definitely puts his money where his mouth is...
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yep, it sure was. LOL
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...2007793/
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In fact they called me many times and requested I come, in fact they even offered to pay for my Hotel room. I did some research ( I was planning to go) and found out that they don't recognize Chabad! In fact when they are in the process of converting someone and the guy needs to be in touch with a Rabbi in the city that he lives in They will not recommend or RECOGNIZE a Chabad Rabbi! I heard this first hand! So how could I (as A Chabad Rabbi) go to such an event that does not recgonize CHabad?
You have to know a full story before you make conclusions?
berl, Grose wrote there:
You have to have the good of the guys in mind to do what Rabbi Tropper does, and completely negate yourself
Oh, brother...
I am a close frien of Rabbi Halbfinger and he suggested they invite me and that is why they invitedme
so ... who's doing the hasgacha for this shindig ... (and how did all these rabbis agree?)
Who's Goldshmidt from Moscow? Not a Lubavitcher?
Was Rabbi David Rue from LA in attendance? He does lots of orthodox conversions in West.
Is an event attended by clergy spanning wide spectrum, from R. H. Shechter to the Bostoner Rebbi, to R. R. Feinstein to R. S. Stern and a plurality of rabonim, not considered a wondeful expression of unity? Should'nt this conclave be celebrated for that merit alone?
Arik,
This past Shabbbis we read of the unity of the dor hahaflaga and the results of a joint effort for "naaseh lanu sheim"...
The pic is not of R'Hershel Schacter.
I just spoke with someone who is there now. He said there are 2 Lubavitchers there at this moment. One is the Sanzer Einekel, the other is from Hartford.
> Harav Nachum Eisenstein
Is this the same R. Nachum Eisenstein who was a Rosh Kollel on Corey Road several years back?
the person who was motzi shem roh on this blog and LIED on an individual saying he married a shiktze and converted here and that caused him to abandon his previous wife is a rosho until he does teshuva and publicly states "beoyssoy mokom" that he made a serious false defamation on a particular person.
idiot, the only one who says on this blog that he converted a shikse is you, so do your own tshuvah, moron.
schneur, go ask Rav Tropper for Mechilah. You all got your facts wrong. Rabbi Tropper was divorced a LONG time before he was mekarev his current wife. He was not mekarev her for the sake of marrying her. He gave a class in NYC that she attended and she (and I know her personally) decided to marry him. In fact, Rabbi Tropper's rebbetzin is an amazing human being (and yes, she was beautiful enough to model - but she also graduated Ivy League with a degree in psychiatry and ran a successful business) who happens to be on very good terms with his ex-wife. The divorce had NOTHING to do with the current rebbetzin.
There are some universally respected rabbonim attending this symposium such as R'Dovid Feinstein and R'Hershel Schachter.How does this blog suddenly choose to focus on one man? Is this a symposium on R'Leib Tropper? Silly gossip mongers!
perhaps because this issue has been brought to the public attention by that one man, who then went ahead and organized it.
and for those who are curious what it is all about - they are not shy about explaining. there is, unfortunately, a very high rate of intermarriage (surprise!). This is not about promoting intermarriage. It is about what to do when you come across a couple that is expressing an interest in one spouse's heritage - namely Judaism, and the folks being Mekarev them are suddenly faced with the reality that the other spouse is not Jewish. Do we have to do as Ezra did - and tell them to get divorced? OR, are there Halachos about encouraging the Geirus of the non-Jewish spouse as both spouses explore Judaism. Since this scenario keeps being played out again and again in all the Baal Teshuva venues, it has to have "universal" guidelines - hence this conference.
What's the deal with making a conversion "universally acceptible"? I don't see that much difference in standards accross the Orthodox spectrum. Is this turning into the same issue we are having with kashrus (i.e. 12 different hechsherim on zip-lock bags)?
I know him from my time in Monsey, he used to hang in Tuvia’s for hours. I spoke to him few times, he seems to be very nice guy but definitely very goofy. I cannot believe he is big shot now. I also heard some strange rumors about him.
BTW, He is a cousin of shlomo carlebach
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"Is this the same R. Nachum Eisenstein who was a Rosh Kollel on Corey Road several years back?
Camp Runamok"
No.
If the facts about R. Tropper are not as I stated ( and no where did I accuse him of any moral, or halachic midsdeeds), then I apologize to the readers for misleading and potentaily hurtful information.As I said rabbis have to be held to a higher standard.If in fact he was long divorced etc , I am wrong and apologize to him and the readers.As tReb Yoel Kahan said - "taisi" and I am sorry.
TA, mr. moron, seygets, and idiot (shoteh, rosho, gas ruach. It is easy to call names. But I thought that someone who calls everyone else a fraud, and owns a blog should be more careful what people post on his blog. Should be careful not to allow blatant defamation of other people especially when they give names of individuals.
Here is what someone DID write on YOUR blog (on the transatalantic love story) for you to see:
"If you've ever visited Denmark, you'd know the infamous story and history of their once upon a time kollel that existed there. Not too long ago, there was a Kollel in Coppenhagen where young avreichim from Israel would come to study for a few years and were supported by the local community there. Their leader, the Rosh HaKollel was a man who seemed to be as ehrich gets witha rightous long bear and a fine pious family. To cut the long story short.... One day he met a sweet hot Danish chik someplace. He liked her and the rest is histroy. Though he had already been married for a number of years and raised several children, he abandoned them all. He divorced his life-long rebetzin and went on with this newly found Dane. Along with that story the Kollel disappeared, but this Rosh Kollel still lives withe community in Copeenhegn. He's quite known there, especially for his couragous move to drop the wife and move in with a new one.
You'd think that he's not religous anymore and dumped his Judaism along with the wife. But no, he's still there and made her too into some religous monk. They even send their kids to the local jewish school there.
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Then was followed by this:
"you've ever visited Denmark, ...
My Heart is Melting...
In Our town there is a rabbi (Leib Tropper ) who did the same thing….
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It is enough that it was there and until today is there. someone alerted to you, and you had the chutzpah to call him names? DO TESHUVA and if you are a honest non corrupt man apologize to everyone involved for your part.
The Monsey Tzadik is an idiot, sorry for not deleting all of his comments. I since banned him from this blog. He is vile. But I never called Tropper names, the commentators did.
Sorry, that's not HaGaon Rav schachter.
not RHS. might be RNE, though it doesn't look like him, either.
I'm one of the prospective gerim (currently intermarried) being mentored by a rabbi through EJF. Maybe EJF is yeshivish-centric, but it's a new organization, and I don't think there's any bias against Chabad. My mentor encourages me to go to Chabad house.
There's a rumor (I heard on a non-EJF listserv) that Chabad shluchim have been instructed not to become sponsoring rabbis for new conversion candidates. If it's true that EJF generally doesn't refer conversion candidates to Chabad shluchim, then this (if true) is probably the reason.
another anon, who gave the instructions?
My Hebrew is not good enough, but someone on the listserv says that this http://www.col.org.il/show_news...._news.asp?
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indicates that shluchim are to be generally discouraged from working with gerut candidates, but this later article (with English) http://www.col.org.il/show_news...._news.asp?
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is regarded as somewhat less discouraging. The thinking among some is that while shluchim have facilitated some conversions in the past and are working with present candidates, now is not the best time to seek out a shliach as a sponsoring rabbi.
By the way, also on the subject of EJF's lack of bias against Chabad, I just remembered that one of the mentors for EJF converted through a Chabad shliach a few years ago.
"If you've ever visited Denmark, you'd know the infamous story and history of their once upon a time kollel that existed there. Not too long ago, there was a Kollel in Coppenhagen where young avreichim from Israel would come to study for a few years and were supported by the local community there. Their leader, the Rosh HaKollel was a man who seemed to be as ehrich gets witha rightous long bear and a fine pious family. To cut the long story short.... One day he met a sweet hot Danish chik someplace. He liked her and the rest is histroy. Though he had already been married for a number of years and raised several children, he abandoned them all. He divorced his life-long rebetzin and went on with this newly found Dane. Along with that story the Kollel disappeared, but this Rosh Kollel still lives withe community in Copeenhegn. He's quite known there, especially for his couragous move to drop the wife and move in with a new one.
>> I took this photo half an hour ago. Rabbi Tropper with Harav Herschel Schachter in the foreground (I think).
---> WRONG! that is Rabbi Avrohom Jacobovitz shlita, founder and director of Machon l'Torah, the Jewish Learning Network of (Detroit) Michigan
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