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There seems to be a total news blackout on last night's happening in 770, which is surprising, being that the culprits were the Tsfatim. Voz Is Naies should not be your source.
This fight that spoiled the party is great because they can't just have a party while the sickness has spread. Now they are trapped by their own PR bullshit.
I think that the news blackout from the chabad blogs may be good. When the other jewish blogs wont even mention last nite's kinnus, only todays riot, why give them more fodder? Chabad blogs are only focusing on the banquet. I think its a good move in light of the the inaction of the other blogs.
Tzemach
Lets see if your posters/reporters who so hate the 'yellow fever' (but I still have a problem understanding why:They seem to see no problem with the Rebbe,though deceased, having a second coming and revealing himself.If so what about the Messianist is so terrible, their wild clothes and beards?Most Lubab look that way.)will be 'reporting or keeping it in the 'family'
moron atnitzig, this is not a theology thread, we are talking about the fight here. get lost.
It doesn't matter all that much what's covered on Chabad news sites (though it's all over the comments on shturem.net); what matters is that serious action (to the full extent of the law) be finally taken and that people responsible for hosting these animals through student visas be forced to take responsibility for their criminal behavior. What more do they need to act? Real korboneis, R"L?
Assuming accuracy in the report, the attackers simply need to go to jail, period.
Somehow though, I suspect something a little more provacatory, such as the fabrengers ripping down the signs and then getting the violent response.
All just speculation on my part.
sorry, it does matter, Berl.
Tzemach,
Did you know that last night at the start of the banquet, Rabbi Kotlarsky stood up and one of the first things that he did was lead nearly 4000 people in unison in the recital of Tehillim for a) Those couples who as of yet do not have any children,b) Those singles who as of yet had not found their zivug, and c) those people who need a refuah....
won't see this on any of the blogs...ONLY the riots....
pure jealousy...
here is shturem report
http://shturem.net/index.php?sec...n=news&
id=10332
In a hot dry place a spark can ignite a conflagration.
Late last night while we were all in bed,
ol' Mother Leary left a lattern in the shed,
and when the cow kicked it over
she turned her head and said,
There'll be a hot one in the ol' town tonight.
OK, so now it's on the front page on shturem.net. How does that change the situation? That's why I could not care less about the coverage - I want to see LAW INFORCEMENT!
Tzemach,
I would ban Ariel Sokolofsky permanently from your website. He once had a blog that claimed that the Rebbe was G-d.
Oh yeah, I nearly forgot; Anyone who feels any, even the slightest degree of satisfaction or delight about any of this, is a total a**hole. That feeling of delight is the shrunken remnant of your soul squirming in its dark and fetid hole. This melee is an utter shame, nothing less and sadly the innocent were far and few in between.
Tzemach it does not behoove you to call everybody a moron.Would you like to be called a moron?
Lubavitcher Chasidim, We need to wake up and remove this impurity and wickedness from our midst. These vicious thugs who viciously attacked Chasidim and Shluchim at random had every intention of doing their dreadful work.
Stink bombs, fire extinguishers, eggs and tomatoes were prepared earlier in the evening to be launched at those that were to come to 770 after the banquet. HUNDREDS of Chumashim, Siddurim and other holy sefarim were stacked up and then used as weapons to be thrown. This was no flare up. These animals knew way in advance that this is what they wanted to carry out and they would do their mission at any cost. And now a young Shliach has both his legs broken.
Rabbosi, I was there. I saw the murderous fury in their eyes even before the Farbrengen started. If we have any care or sensitivity to what is right and just we must seriously come together to remove these beasts from our midst.
To the esteemed members of Anash of Crown Heights: Stop your stupidity! We know your dislike and distrust for Rabbis Krinsky and Shemtov and you may or may not be right on that issue. But you are allowing a growing tumor to eat away at the very being of our Rebbe's community! When you go against something on their agenda they will pounce on you just as wrathfully. Remember what the Gemara tells us: "Hamisrachem al Haachzor basof yachzor al hamisrachem" which means One who has mercy on a cruel person will end up being cruel to one that needs mercy.
What will Lubavitch do about this?
Nothing.Moshichists rule Crown Heights.Many out of town shluchim have returned to sanity because they are exposed to 'sunlight'.They know what meshichism has done to Lubavitch and to Lubavitch inc's. pocketbook, when those shluchim leave 'sanity' in the form of meshichism returns to 770
Someone said that the shluchim got drunk and provoked the mechichisten after they started taking down the signs. True?
This was an eventual inevitability; the hefkerus, chaos and anarchy that reigns was bound to result in something like this.
And like all negative occurrences in history: If, finally, for once and for all – as should been done on day one, 3 Tammuz – normal leadership rises up, with a commitment, and takes control – seriously beginning to establish order – than this will have been a sad, but productive, episode. However, if it just gets added to list of “just another unfortunate occurrence” then we are, once again, exposed to a disgusting, tragic, present state of disorganized Lubavitch heading further into an abyss of despair.
is everyones memory so short this happened last year after the kinus and the night after a court decision that aguch thought they won.
anyway i am sure there are videos from both side i am just wondering what is taking so long to get them online. unless each side is busy editing their tape to show the others started.
they are both wrong. they nuts for closing the lights and singing yechi loud in order to disturb them. and the others for tearig down signs and the top of the poroiches. the signs will back up in no time and the lawyers willbe naking more money to go to court and in the end everybody looses (except tzemach who loves this)
chazak ye all and keep the faith gd loves everyone even the sinners, so we nust them all too
oiy please excuse my spelling mistakes 'ich ken nisht besser
As I have mentioned before, Anash claim the Rebbe was a prophet.
Of course objective people fail to see anything prophetic about the Rebbe's statements. Now the gaon Rabbi isser Zal,man Weissberg says now does not mean now but in this era. Frankly its like saying New York really means Boston.
Israel is in bad shape and even secular Israelis talk of a day when the state will cease to exist. Anti Semitism is alive in Europe. etc. There are no obvious signs of a Mssianic era.
But as I wrote Barry Gourary told me that when his mother Rebb. Chaana asked her younger sister the Rebbetzin of the Rebbe what will be after 120. Mussia asked her husband . The answer was told to Chana by Mussia and then told to R. Barry Gourary. The rebbe said "after him the deluge" . the statement made by the French King Louis 14 (I think).
This friends was prophetic very prophetic indeed in fact a self fufilling prophecy !, because when you tear away all the PR and press releases and self self serving propoganda you encounter a movement in complete turmoil, a lot worse than Satmar, Bobov or Ponoviesz.
By the way you guys are not commenting on the hot war between the 2 rabbis of CH the geonim Schwei and Ozdaba and the names they call each other in print and in public. The Chilul Hashem is as they say gevaldik !!!
Until 4am the farbi was standard, a few eggs and the lights going off, merely the usual stuff. But after Avromel Shemtov arrived things went haywire. Tomato juice, stink bombs herring, Chumashim, salt, glass bottles, benches and bodies were flying all over the room. It looked like a bar fight from an old western. The new Shliach to Vietnam was hospitalized with a broken leg and rib. The infamous flag wavers Taler and Kaplun were arrested. In view of the fact that Judge Harkevi (the judge presiding over the 770 case) promised six months in the slammer for violence.Merkos plans are to bring the charges directly to him.
Here is another piece of information: As the events were unfolding in 770 downstairs, there was a chassidishe vareme farbrengen taking place upstairs in the real 770, where Rabbi Shmuel Lew and other eltere shluchim were talking from the heart, while hundreds of eidele bochurim and younger shluchim where respectfuly listening, singing and participating. I wasn't planning on going to 770 last night, because I was anticating the pogrom. I ended up going there around 12:30 i first walked in downstairs, and as soon as i saw that there was a Color War going on, i turn around. then i went upstairs and spent the next 2 hours enjoying the unblievable atmosphere.
I fail to comprehend why anyone would prefer a good fight to a genuine chassidishe gathering. And I fail to understand why all the sensational journalist and photographers that crowd the chabad Tabloids-on-line missed the opportunity to report the upstairs peaceful farbrengen. Maybe my expectations are too high.
What needs to happen is an operation shock and awe floowed by a global war on terror - nusach chabad.
it is high time this cancer be eradicated and we free oursleves of 'cults from our midst'.
it is only when we are ready to deal with the situation with 'realistic rationalism' by the power invested in the yoshvei rosh of our organizations by our rebbe zy'a that we will hope to see a better tomorrow.
enough with apathy and pacifism; youth raise your voices (and perhaps you arms) and start a revolution.
demand from our leaders to take action for we will be silent no longer.
we have an insergengy growing under our very noses, and untill be recognize it as such and take the proper course of action in dealing with it for what is we will be stuck in the same vicious cycle.
we demand change. we demand action. we demad it now.
let the counter-insergency begin.
all if favor say ay.
The bench-throwers of today didn't merely spring up from the ground. Like it or not, every Meshichist is fundamentally brainwashed with the Lubavitch ideology. If I may paraphrase Heinrich Heine: in a place where one throws kugel, one will end up throwing benches.
I, on the other hand, sit here and laugh my ass off. Like Pilate, I wash my hands of the matter. Christian or anti-Christian, all of Lubavitch is a fucking cult.
You know I like to make up the headlines. So let me try this: A Chabad officer in Vietnam severely injured in the battle for 770.
What do you think?
Take a look at crownheights.info. Totally revisionist history. The pictures say it all. Who is behind crownheights.info?
Dear Fellow Lubavitchers,
As the ugly noose of radicalism tightens around our collective necks once again many of us ask, what can we do to help the state of affairs?
The episode that took place in 770 Sunday night was not an isolated one. It is the latest in a long list of fierce attacks perpetrated by a group of violent ruffians against those they deem deserving, over the last few years. Time and time again we see the same faces and hear the same names of people who terrorize. Many of these are bochrim from Israel brought here to learn by the administration of the Central Lubavitch 770 Yeshiva. These bochrim are given accommodations and food and are considered 100 percent part and parcel of Tomchei Temimim.
After each assault that took place we waited to hear something drastic would be done by the administration to ensure that this would be prevented in the future, and time and time again absolutely nothing is done at all. Even calls of condemnation are yet to be heard.
The situation is now unbearable. 770 is now fully controlled by the wild mob. Attempts to do anything they find objectionable and you can be sure to be met with violent behavior and intimidation. If we want to have any hope of reversing this calamity the time to act is now.
Bellow you will find a list of the phone numbers of the administration of the Central Lubavitch Yeshiva of 770. We ask you to please take a few minutes TODAY and call them up and express your disappointment. Make it clear that the situation is out of hand and that anyone who acts in a way to physically harm another Jew should be dealt with in the harshest of terms. Make it clear that there is no place for vicious bullies in Lubavitch. Make it clear that you DEMAND something to be done! How they choose to deal with it is their own prerogative but no longer do they have the luxury to close their eyes to this dire situation.
The responsibility of what happens lies squarely on the shoulders of the Hanholoh of the Yeshiva. We demand change!
Rabbi Shloima Zarchi- 718-778-1070
Rabbi Yitzchok Springer-718-774-3407
Rabbi Yekutiel Rapp- 718 467-1055
Rabbi Yekutiel Feldman- 718 604-2708
Rabbi Sholom Ber Brod- 718 756-8797
Rabbi Zalman Labkovsky's number is unavailable but he can be approached in person.
Remember that you CAN make a difference! May Hashem Yisborach bless each and every one of us with true unity and happiness and obliterate all evil with the coming of Moshiach Tzidkeinu.
Revisionist
Chabad.info is Mendy Hendel. 'nuff said.
Akiva and Tzemach, there was no provocation before the Tfati Misnagdim went wild.
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