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Tzemach, I don't think dovbear is a shaliach. you know as well as I do where he got that link. From your blog. but that kind of midlevel pilfering of links which he has done every day from other blogs isnt half as bad as the real plagiarism that he is accused and guilty of.
dante, I don't think he lifted this from me. His post is AM and mine PM.
T,
there are hundreds of unaathorized 'eyes' on that forum. Not a very complicated fete to lift a link.
He is a Shliach for Yuppies. They should close his site down. I know who he is. Named after the Mittle rebbe from a big Chabad family
Who are Yupppies these days? Is he in NY?
If he is a Shaliach then he is not only a plagiarizing commie but a hypocrite to the core. Nobody should be too surprised that there not a trace of Yiddishkite in his ramblings, only hateful agitation.
I could reveal his name but I think it is asur al pi din. on the other hand he posts some terrible things so I am debating
I know Sheliyach is free for all and perhaps since he sort of cares he is better than a regular empty fund raiser. But how can you claim to represent the Rebbe and write what he writes?
You should not reveal his name but does his congregation knows about his blogging? Because if he is not preaching what he writes he should resign.
My hunch, he is the guy from Soho.
Naturally this scares him more than any plagiarism discoveries as he emailed me this:
Yo, bro, I'm not a commie. Shmarya says you're one of the good guys.
I'd like to try to bury the hatchet between us if possible.
DB
Is he D. S.?
You mean the self proclaimed Shliach? I find no one else with the name Dov or Ber or Dovber who fits. And why would he do it anonymously then? He is not official anyway.
Its not DS
Who cares who it is?He writes well, he makes you think.I really doubt he is a Lubavitcher because A)He is to smart, lubavitchers attract below average i.q's to buy into their Rebbe deification B)His writing and english are just to good
@mark..
not to be the spelling police, but how are you judging the caliber of his writing when your own is riddled with a repeated spelling mistake?
and, I'm not Chabad, but I take exception at your mistaken accusation that lubavitchers are below average IQ.
they share the same distribution as any other Jewish community.
TA - hold your ground on this one - as a fan of Russian literature surely you appreciate the irony of this moment in the theater of the absurd. (And shamrya circling the wagons - the very thing he holds against the Torah community - priceless)
I could reveal his name but I think it is asur al pi din. on the other hand he posts some terrible things so I am debating
Yo CS - do the words "didon notzach" mean anything to you? when they burn jewish bodies (Hashem yishmor) we accept it with some equanimity - it's an occupational hazard of being a yid. R' Chananya ben Tradyon hit it on the head when he said "osyos porchos" the letters fly up heaven wards. When guys like DB start burning the letters, we have big tsuris indeed. If this guy was a molester there would certainly be an outcry? Molesting people's neshamos is also molestation. And he does it with a veneer of respectablity, a patina of moral authority (unlike shamrya - where his "sina m'lkalkeles es hashura" weltanschauung has marginalized him to the very pale of the blogosphere. This is not Eldad and Meidad - this is Korach. Rethink your reticence.
and Mark - maybe you can give an ESL class to prospective shluchim - in the valley of the "blind" surely the one-eyed man is king.
I've never really liked DovBer - but he give me the impression he's a lubi or some xlubi of sorts.
Who cares who it is? He writes well, he makes you think. I really doubt he is a Lubavitcher because A)He is to smart, lubavitchers attract below average i.q's to buy into their Rebbe deification B)His writing and english are just to good
Mark | 12.26.06 - 4:03 am | #
That's obnoxious! But I'll agree to the fist point- who cares who DB is?
Why the rush to implicate him as a lubavitcher? Will you feel proud? Will you feel vilified?
...
you should change
he makes you think
to
he makes me think
speak for your sad self.
http://theantitzemach.blogspot.c...ear-
season.html
CE, my hunch was right! He is
Dovi Scheiner then as he was married on 9/11
as it says right here:
http://www.worldtikkuncenter.org...r.org/
about.asp
I think I am a genius!
LOL,
One problem though, how do we know that the author of that piece is right?
BTW, is he related to Boston R. Scheiner?
Now this really is exciting.
a great soap opera
Let's gather axes and picks, you get the torches Chabakuk, collect about 100 people, and we'll burn that SoHo Jew down! awright, a regular lynch mob, far out!
that was YOUR idea Joe.
The SHS rabbi seems like a fellow who wants to bring hope in a dark cynical world. DovShiegetz is the microcosm of a dark cynical world. I hope they are not the same person, because if they are one and the same, I myself will become one notch more cynical.
It was, and I LIKE it.
:)
OK, I am forced to come out again:
I bet DB is not a Lubavitcher (no even the DS kind). What makes me so sure? Only one reason: He shows a complete and thorough lack of familiarity with all things Lubavitch. This kind of ignorance only a truly sophisticated spy would be able to consistently fake. Now, before you all pounce on me – yes, I do understand that if DB was a disgruntled sheliach or stam a Lubavitcher, he would most definitely wish to appear thusly ignorant to protect his identity, but I simply do not believe that anyone would be able to pull this off so believably for so long. My verdict - he is exactly what he appears to be, a MO pinko-commie and a mean heretic.
P.S. Today is Hay Teives (20 years!). Being that this a mentalblog.com favorite Lubavitcher holiday, gut yontiv ‘DIDAN NOTZACH’ wishes to one and all!
I''ll speak for myself:DovBear makes ME think (your bog does not)
I know who Dovi Sheiner is. Are you sure that he is the DovBear. He was a madrich at Mayanot while he was finishing his semicha. From what I remember he is very educated and would not suprise me. I stopped reading the blog a long time ago because it was too frustrating for me to read.
I see that the CT post was modified to remove the line that included any identity exposure.
Joe,
You should get some help for your violent tendencies.
Berl,
I see that this quitting cold-turkey stuff isn’t so easy. Maybe there’s a patch for this? ;-)
does anyone realize how pathetically attention starved this person is that he needs to draw attn to himself so badly that he'll plagiarize blantly, something that can be easily checked via Google.
This guy is probably a pathological attention seeker. too bad.
Cold-turkey is best with mayonnaise on pumpernickel.
Once one leaves the closet how can he return? And if he returns can he exit once again; and again and again. Perhaps it should be retro-fitted with a revolving door.
One thing is certain, things are not the same without him.
CE & Truman.
The reason I announced my 'retirement' in the first place (instead of just quietly stopping to comment) is so that when I am tempted to comment I would be made fun of and be deterred by the resultant embarrassed; this has mostly worked thus far and your comments today will surely help for the future :). I still read the blog (which takes a fraction of the time that commenting used to), but if I start falling back into commenting mode, I will be forced to take more drastic measures and stop reading it as well. I do not think it shall come to that though.
Not only people can have different names but more importantly different identities.
DB sounds much older than Sheiner.
I am the one that revealed he is a shliach and It is not Dov Scheiner. Dov Sheiner would never write the things he does I know them both.
'Chabad Sliach' right...
Regarding that Dov Scheiner video.
1. How can he say that his is the first synagogue with 'ambiance'? What does he know except Brooklyn? Has he been to Florence, to the Jugenstil Ashkenazy synagogue in Amsterdam, to the old Maryina Roscha in Moscow? Punk!
2. How can any nominal Chabadnik say that 'he doesn't know anyone who had a positive experience on a bench'? Is he out of his mind?
TA, I don't think he's endorsed by anyone who matters. Who cares.
endorse my ass
I don't care about endorsements, the only one that matters is mine.
This fellow sounds nothing like Dovsheigetz... I'm sceptical, TA. Do you have anything to go on besides the Walmart post?
Did you read mekushor post before it was edited?
You think that DovBear is Dovi S. because you think that DovBear is a shliach. But there are two major flaws to your logic. 1) It is said that there is no proof (other than the tenuous Wal-Mart connection) that DovBear is a shlaich and 2) DOVI S. IS NOT A SHLIACH, rather, what is called in modern vernacular, "a mushroom."
I just want to add that I have never even heard of this DovBear guy until you posted about him yesterday and, frankly, it really surpises me to find out that he's some sort of famous blogging personality with a big readership. I looked at the blog. It's got a cheap-o design with zero visual appeal and it's hard to navigate. The articles are insipid, as well. I was totally unimpressed.
Tony, correct.
Oh, I just wanted to add one more thing. I haven't been to CH for a while so I may have regained my sensitivity to this but... looking at a picked-out beard makes me physically sick!
Shave it, trim it or leave it alone, but for G-d's sake, stop ripping it out of your face! Why do guys do that? Is this supposed to be sexy? They look like female-to-male transexuals with scraggly-ass hormone injection beards.
For the record:
I have no idea who DB is. And although I had thought it was someone specific, I am no longer inclined to believe it.
And since it is probably not the fellow I had thought it was, I no longer care about this issue.
LOL
mekushor, first you aligned yoursel with the forces of ' ' fill in the blanks and now you don't even stand by your words?
I thought you know. why would you say it if you didn't. You disappoint me.
TA
Like frumwithquestions I was in Mayanot when Dovi Sheiner was there doing his smicha and being a shliah.
He always had attitude for which some of the guys did not like him but I think he was just always newyorkish.
After reading the DovBear posts I would be surprised that it was him. Definitely not his style. Dovi by the way is really gifted. He wrote incredible poetry in the style of 60's black poets with supposedly no contact whatsoever. I asked him and said he never heard of them. I was into poetry back then and had a lot of "real" artist friends but few came close in terms of raw talent. The guy is one of a kind. A punk, but with real flair. You coud obviously call him pompous, narcissistic b&(* but in the context of NY I guess he is just a native.
An incident that I remember vividly was that some of the guys complained that Dovi is not very personable. He shocked everyone when he said that he isnot there to be their friend but to help them learn. I thought that it was a healthy perspective. He was real.
About the bench comment - Dovi is at least 6 feet tall. I have yet seen a bench that he would fit in.
As far as ambiance he says "probably" and by ambiance I would think he means a loft like experience.
I am out of the loop on DovBear bashing so as an independant source with no ax to grind would say it is not him.
thats my 2 cents.
TA, you are 100% right. I am truly ashamed.
I knew DS a little, and when I heard that it was him I reacted quicker than I should have. Now that I'm pretty surethat I was mislead I must take my well deserved credibility hit.
In the future I commit to do more fact finding prior to posting.
Chasi. Avisi. Poshati.
(Chatasi)
Forces of ''? excuse me? Is that the best you can do TA?
I allowed that post because Mekushor seemed very excited about it being DS. He too it and ran, and far be it from me to stop a contributor from creating a new thread. Funny though how quickly minds change.
Tony:
It's good you stay away for so long, why aggravate yourself?
TA
the previous barb was meant in jest, I hope you can see that.
btw, he is so flaming in that video -very, very disturbing.....
max, make up your mind are you max or Max?
Would ne interesting to hear first hand about Mayanot. What do you think of Wichnin Jr.?
Max has been with Chabad only 8 years, post benches, so he doesn't understand. This is the problem with all newcomers, it is all fake legacy.
Come on, what decent shliach has time to troll the net for articles to copy and paste from?
As Dovi is not a Shliach, he would not have access to closed Shluchim email lists.
TA : I'll be Max. Settled.
A few more factoids about Dovi Sheiner for public edification. I believe his wife is a Levy of the OK fame and so Dovi was the editor of one of the OK magazines. Something like farbrengen with a kashruth twist. They had a bit of notoriety from being married on 9/11 and then moving to dontown NY to make a tikkun in the place. His wife started baking chala for NY City Hall and would hand deliver to Mayor Bloomberg who was cool enough to personally accept. His brother is a Rabbi in Palm Beach. It does not say that he is a shliah on the site as I thought. Interesting. A few days after Dovi got Smicha Rav Steinsatlz came to farbreng and gave him a lot of affectionate personalized shit. A nice moment. Again, the guy as I remember him, with all the hollywood that he is, is extremely talented. Matisyahu is a baby compared to his raw rhymes. Not wannabe be rap or reggae, just very raw urban jewish poetry, something like Allen Ginsburg in his younger years but more manly. All without the benefit of a beatnick lifestyle, drugs or trips to India. If it is true that he is not endorsed by anyone so much the better. If he develops this talent in Soho it will be worth all the martinis and the "ambiance".
I'll post about Wichnin Jr. after I make sushi. But just to give you an idea - his name and suhi in one sentence is a rarity.
I repeat DovBer is not Dovi Scheiner. He is a true guy not like DovBer. I know both of them.
DS was also the author of "The heintiker bochur". A photo copied magazine of insider jokes about yehivah and bochrim.
His wife is the former Esty Levy, Don Yoel's daughter.
I bet it was organic whole wheat challah with gluten free as an option.
He had no beard at all when he was a bochur, not that he shaved or picked. It may very well be natural, but so what.
Chabad, "official" and not, is, in my opinion, the "real" modern Orthodoxy.
Rabbi Noach Wichnin is another one of a kind. Its interestiing that he and D Scheiner came up together since they are in a sense are superstars in their own, opposite ways. Dovi is Hollywood, Rav Wichnin is timeless.
He was introdused to us as a living Torah. He looked like a 40 year old bolding tubby scroll with soft pinkish hands and a perpetual smell of mikve. I always thought that his body chemistry had something supernatural about it for on him the stale over-chlorinated mikva grime smelled refreshing. A year later he told me in semi-secret that he was 25, younger than some of his students.
Rav Wichnin is a mayan shemisgaber. His farbrengens were spellbinding. He has the gift of hassidishe gab par excellance. He told a story after story after story after story, an endless and absorbing tapestry of names, places, short character descriptions , stories about his father, childhood memories. One thing that stuck in my mind was that he said that he grew up among adults. This seemed to have a physical effect on him.
He speaks powerfully but not dogmatically. He has a voice that goes up up and wow like a high pitched tuba. The stories piled on like an onion. He was very precise with nigunim ,once teaching us one, Nigun of Moshe Vilenkin, for a month.
His teaching was above my head, and as far as I recall many others as well. I had a hevrusa with him in gemorah and had chassidus and its hard for me to say what exactly I learned from him. But it was an often breath taking experience. Looking back with teaching experience I understand that he could not yet condence his erudition into the way that we would could get it. I hear he got better though.
A chassidishe guy in the best sense of the word that I know. He is sharp, not in this world in a good way and caring like a yiddishe mama. He send food to the yeshiva from home when there was a need for whatever reason.
It was probably him that inspired us to be "chassidish" and probably only he could do it without being a hypocrite, at least a bit. I think he really lives like that. I heard that he has toned this down though which in a larger sense I think is very good. He is true and very inspiring but one of a kind. 99% of us should not live like him nor want to live like him.
It crushed me that he told me that he is one of those guys, the meshihistem. The first I heard in two years. Oh well I giuess I'll live with this piece of cognitive dissonance.
A special guy in a special place.
I know who someone is trying to pin as DovBear; this makes no sense. DovBear is not a shaliach, official or otherwise. He's a schmuck.
Dovi Sheiner is not New Yorkish, he's from Boston.
i remember the heintike bochur mag and even have copies of it somwhere. if i find it i will send copies to ta. its very entertaining and very smart writing. he had a talent even back then
This Dovi Scheiner (SoHo) is from BP. His cousins are from Boston.
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