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Wow! Where did she pop up from.
I had heard that she had passed on, I'm glad to see that she is still among the living.
A simchas beis hashoeivah favorite!
What's with the "zeilem"?
who is this poor girl?
Very sad
She is someone who evidently is a very sincere person, but unfortunately, also in a lot of pain....I wish her well.
sto, she went through hell and back.
She was beginning to settle down (she has three kids, albeit married to a goy) when she decided to have an affair with some guy in Monsey and post a video of their lovemaking on the internet. Her husband threw her out, won't let her get near her kids, and she is now on a self destructive path, once again blaming everyone but herself for her troubles.
It's nice that she went to the Ohel, but why the hell did she have to have it filmed?
and back? i couldnt bring myself to watch the whole thing but it would seem that she's not back yet...
kol yaldah bochah -- and all you do is criticize!
she has been made the "bad girl" of CH as a teenager, even though she wasn't as "bad" as made out to be.
she found herself unable to free herself from the labeling that CH put on her & played along with it. that's the impression i get from then & knowing her a bit now.
but since i'm not her, let her speak for herself at:
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You have no idea what hell means in this case. I do not refer to anything religious or aidel.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you !
for taking it upon your selv's to tell my story. You dont have a clue ! and you never will, to you empty shallow people I am a name, a topic a brand. I am what you made me and want me to be to fill your own empty voids or to make your selv's feel better about what
"shtick dreck " you really are, you dont know me, or have any idea about what the real LEAH KLEIM is about or who I am, and you have to keep it that way because then you can continue on with your shabbos table loshon hora and ultimately thats what you need my name for......At least when I have something to say or a point to make I do it and Im good at it, OBVIOUSLY! all you "shtick dreck" charedi x cahssidim are, are comments on a long train of your other self reightous friends hiding behind screan names I got the guts and glory here not you !! now go on and post your negative obnoxious Leah Kleim stories that you fabricate so well I will not respond to them again........
A freilechen pesach, Leshona habo beyerushalayim and all of you should be matzliach in what ever possitive you choose to do.
The next time I go to the Ohel I would be glad to drop a tzetle in for you 2 ! you can E-mail me your name at heckyeahhottie@yahoo.com
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I am amused how people rejected parts of Chabad culture but at the same time bought in into some of the mythology without questions. For example Leah keeps repeating that the Rebbe didn’t want the job. This from all I studied on the subject is a deliberate myth, as untrue as the Rebbe’s matriculation in Sorbonne. Yet it is a fundamental myth that persists.
guravitzer i got you the first time. it just seems that shes still in a lot of pain, is what i meant
Tzemach, since I wasn't alive, I have no way to know, but I have never heard anyone make the case that the Rebbe sought the job. I see you make the statement emphatically, so I would like to know - what information convinced you that this was the case?
this is Barry Gourary parsha, I can't revisit it again. It is somewhere in the archives. ask Schneur, you will hear an ear full.
Not that it's not a legitimate deah, but why is that source so impeccably reliable? It seems to me like there are enough agendas to go around… I’d need more than Bary o”h, and (lehibadel) Shneur (who is probably basing most of his info on his relationship with Barry), to convince me.
we know for sure that the source of information that said that the Rebbe went to Sorbonne is the same that said that he didn't want the job. Less reliable that the above in my book. Much less reliable. Flawed to the core as a matter of fact.
Tzemach, this particular view came from many different sources. Although I think saying "didn't want the job" is too strong an impression from what the various sources say, perhaps "hesitant to take on the job, among other reasons perhaps because he already had the job of running 3 organizations in his hands."
Leah, I was going to take you task for going overboard, until I realized someone had actually posted what would seem to be a synopsis of part of your life. For the record, all I know of Leah is how her reputation spread and was destroyed, and my reaction to her life story is based on that. I do now know what her life truly was day by day, which was part of the point I was trying to clarify earlier.
I do not know is what I meant.
wait and see, in the near future they will release the documents found from the sorbonne. the fellow from israel who checked it out had no idea where to look. it's disclosed information.
Tzemach, you made an emphatic statement – the basis for which is seems to be purely emotional. You are talking about a single source that claims otherwise, and although there may be some inaccurate information in Lubavitch about many things (and for me the jury is still out on the Sorbonne issue – which is a pretty minor one at that), that does not mean that everything is by definition invalid.
We get tons of faulty information about everything in our day-to-day lives (the media, government, etc), but that does not mean that taking the opposing view of everything is more accurate – and I maintain that in fact the damaged mainstream info is more accurate than the fringe views; conspiracy theorists that have a different take on everything form the holocaust to 9/11 to the White House, etc, and I don’t buy any of it. So too, while anything is possible, I don’t believe the Mossad blew up the twin towers, and I need more than one (quite subjective) individual’s testimony before I revise the Rebbe’s nesius. It seems to me that anything less is bad scholarship.
what is has to do with 9/11. This is a crazy analogy. I trust Barry or Schenur infinitely more that I trust a single word ever said in Lubavitch. I don't need theories for that I know by the force of my skin it false in most cases. For simple reason, the upkeep of the myth has a bigger license for making up stories that a supposed personal grudge. This is just common sense.
Grudges have lasted as long as myths.
A as mere plebian, I am very reluctant to enter this discussion about the lofty emotions of a Prince in Israel as he is about to ascend to his throne...
But this I will say:
There is no doubt that the Rebbe walked out of that room on the 10th of Shevat 1950 (yes, 50, not 51) a nossi. Everything else that followed (including some expressions of reluctance) was, at most, a process of kabbolas hanessius begolui. (Similar to what the Tzemach Tzedek did). Besides, how can it make any sense that the Rebbe 'did not want the job'? That is just sheer nonsense.
Read up on what the Rebbe said about the first 10 years after the passing of the Rebbe Maharash and about the beginning of the Rebbe Rashab’s nessius.
you are right for once, berl.
Not necessarily to disagree, but I think that the change from Chossid to Rebbe was not a mere triviality, and I don’t have any reason to think that the Rebbe campaigned or maneuvered to get it.
I think that it is quite likely that the Rebbe, an extremely private person his entire life (including as Rebbe - I mean seriously, the Rebbe barely ever shared of his zichronos and inner thoughts or feelings), would have been quite hesitant and undesirous of the role, but (not that unlike the first nasi figure in our history) he was the one to take it.
Or do you also maintain tat Moshe Rabbeinu wanted the job?
CE,
"The Rebbe campaigned or maneuvered to get it" - that is an ugly language used by those to whom the concept of nessius was some archaic birthright (as if one can be born into the love and the hiskashrus of chassidim). These people were only capable of interpreting the Rebbe's actions and words at that time from their own megushem'dik perspective. As in "if I had done and said this, it would meant such and such..."
Incidentally, this, in essence, is what the Chabad holiday most hated on this blog is all about...
Yes, Berl, well said.
But, unless I am mistaken, that was pretty much what the emphatic statement that I took issue with was insinuating…
(Above 04.02.07 - 8:14 am: "...from all I studied on the subject is a deliberate myth, as untrue as the Rebbe’s matriculation in Sorbonne. Yet it is a fundamental myth that persists.")
There is a Chasidus theological problem with saying "the Rebbe didn't want the job" anyway. If you believe (as a Chossid should) that a Rebbe is bound to the Rotzon HoElyon, and if the Rotzon HoElyon was that the Previous Rebbe should be succeeded by the Rebbe, then it is tantamount to saying the Rebbe was Kofer in the Rotzon HoElyon to say that he did not want the job. To say that he was hesitant for his own personal reasons is something else entirely.
CE,
All I said earlier was that it was silly to say 'the Rebbe did not want the job'. Because according the Rebbe’s own view on the commencement of nessius, he already HAD 'the job' on 10th of Shevat 1950.
Now, I tried not to get involved in the other part of discussion ("campaigning"), but you forced my hand; while I am on the subject, I will say something that I held myself back from expressing for a long time:
Beis horav (the Royal Family) subsisted on the maamad of the Chassidim. All their personal property (including all the seforim) was thusly acquired. Yet, the very people who did not wish to grant further legitimacy to the choice of the chassidim (thereby retroactively negating the entire institution that gave them their status), still expected - nay, demanded - to reap the entitled benefits that came with their birthrights! Understand, I am not talking about the legal (Jewish or otherwise) aspects of this matter. But from a purely moral perspective, this is simply preposterous! And I will admit that reading mentalblog.com on this subject definitely gave me the clarity on this subject I lacked hereto – I am now much more aware of the spiritual significance of the events of 1985-1987.
berl, had the system been set up melehatchila in an American way your statement was correct. Say White House belongs to the people and the President is just staying their for the duration of his services. But Barry Gourary did not invent the confusion between personal and public. In fact any Rebbe treated their property as his personal for the millennia. Now take the fact that the crown was always passed along the hereditary lines, as was the case with the Rebbe himself. Meaning the property stays in the family. Barry did not invent this.
Oy vey! Again with legalities! I am talking about the fact that being a member of a royal family is not without a bunch of strings attached. One of the thickest strings is to recognize and support the new king; certainly a big no-no is the opposite of such active recognition. Now, if one wants to simply say, "the heck with all this, I do not care what is expected of me, I just want to live my own private life," fine – but then remember that all the crown jewels and the Fabege eggs are property of the royal family because they are the royal family and they do fulfill their royal duty to serve the people! So go ahead, live your private life, earn your own money, but don’t sneak into the palace at night to take "your fair portion" of the crown jewels!
This is, in essence, what the Rebbetzin said to the judge: "The Rebbe and his books belonged to the Chassidim". This really says it all about the royal duty to the people, about real royal dignity and about royal (perhaps tragic) sacrifice of private life to the duties of the office...
One example:
How long will it take for the British Parliament to nationalize the properties of the House of Windsor if they fail to fulfill their constitutional duties and, say, denounce the monarchy and simply want to live in the Windsor palace as a private family?
berl, regrading your last comment. Rebbe didn't live in 770. Barry's Family did. And we know what the old queen thought about this.
Berl, it is one thing to claim that the Rebbe went to court to correct some cosmic order. It is another thing to claim that Barry didn’t have the moral ground for his claim or that any monarchic transition was ever a clear cut case. I accept the former and reject the latter.
I think I need to review Hamlet again.
Sorry to sidetrack back to the original topic, but I just watched the video and had tears in my eyes. May you receive all that you asked for.
Thank you Tzemach for posting it.
How sad.
Sad? Yes. Doesn't sadness bring tears to your eyes as well?
Yes.
This is a post from SEVENFATCOW that I wrote a few weeks ago, I think it should be here 2, but WTF do I know, I'm LEAH KLEIM.
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leah kleim on the rebbe
Thursday March 22nd 2007, 10:21 pm
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I’ve went down this road before, and now I find myself trudging down it again, I guess thats what happens when you truly believe in something.
When the Rebbe was asked to be the Rebbe his first answer was no, he did not want to be the rebbe, I think he knew back then what a bunch of shmutzig charedim his ungratefull Chassidim would turn out to be. But because he was a true Tzadik, he put his own life on the back burner and stepped up to the plate to do the job that only he was worthy of doing. I didnt know the 2 different rebbes that Chabad had, Chabad,(Chochma, Bina, Daas) was a sect of jews, Lubavitchers if you will that were led by the Lubavitcher Rebbe, MM Schnerson o”h, they were Headquarterd in Crown Heights at of course The Lubavitch World Headquarters at 770 E.pkwy
Bklyn N.Y 11213 they have now become a quickly dying group due to the takeover of Crown Heights by out of controll money hungry selfish Moshiachaites or Yechi idiots who run around the streets at any given hour of any day making a mockery of our
Rebbe o”h and everything he believed in , stood for, and taught, by roaming the streets looking like unkempt shlumazils singing
Yechi hamelech and forcing little buissiness cards that are a total mockery and dissrespect to the Tzadik that we were priveleged enough to have as our leader on anyone who comes there way. I was lucky enough to have had The Rebbe o”h in my life and my world when I was growing up I remember when Lubavitch/Chabad were a respected group who were B’achdus and a good example of ahavas yisroel and mesiras nefesh for klal yisroel, (well the majoraty of them anyway) I remember when students got thrown out of school for smoking (I never agreed with that) Now students can do what ever they damn well please,show up when they feel like it or not show up at all, curse at there classmates there teachers and not wear there hat if they dont feel like it even though the school says they have to. The Rebbe talked about geula, and bringing Moshiach closer by doing Mitzvos and Mivtzoyim and learning Torah and giving Tzedoka. The Rebbe also always practiced what he preached, The rebbe didnt stand on his feet for hours on end handing out dollars week after week and later on on many random nights in his own home just for fun or to see who would show up or because it was the hip thing to do. The Rebbe handed us those dollars to promote Tzedoka, he talked about the importance of Tzedoka and because he so strongly believed in it and wanted everyone to participate in the mitzva he selflessly stood there and gave us the money to put in the pushka. The Rebbe said that the Shluchim needed to have a room with a phone in it so that they could communicate, and room with phone was made! The rebbe did not say lets start a fund for the new shluchim to get brand new cars, and lets build them a brand new building to stay in for when they come to New York, and lets send them out to all the hot new yuppy comunities and give them outrageous amounts of money to build big brand new shuls with so they can all one up eachother. When the Rebbe was alive we had real Shluchim, the guys who picked there families up and moved to kalamazoo with no clue as to how they would support there 8 kids and pregnant wife and pay for the oldest girls wedding that was 2 months away because they were a Shliach of the rebbe and thats what they were called to do and that was that no questions asked. Off to kalamazoo they went and moved into a way to small rundown apartment with a chitas and a smile and then turned there humble little abode in to a Chabad House where every jew was welcomed and then off to the local strip mall they went with a bag of shabbos candles (that they paid for) and a pair of T’filin to find any one
single lost jew that they could. I remember the days when the “Shtick dreck” like myself would get arrested at 1am in some place in the middle of the nowwhere that we wanderd to, and when we were allowed our phone call we could open a phone book and look for a familiar jewish lastname and track down a Shliach who we had never met in our life, call his house collect, wake him up, tell him we were in jail, and 2 hrs later the Tired Shliach would pull up at the county jail that was keeping the population safe from us in a rusty clunky light blue station wagon with one working headlight an empty gas tank and a back seat full of shabbos candles and freshly printed Hadlokas Haneros brochures and bail us out of jail, bring us to there house for the night and then pay for us to get back to where ever it was we thought we belonged, with a brown bag lunch that there way too pregnant wife made for us, a little card with T’filas Haderech on it and a Zay Gezunt be well and we would love to have you for Shabbos. THOSE WERE THE DAYS MY FRIEND !
Lubavitch? Shluchim? Who the heck are they? What are those? Bail you out of jail? ha ha “Shluchim” dont accept collect calls dummy, call someone who cares ! oh is that what you thought you were doing? WAKE UP ! there are no more Shluchim, There is no more Lubavitch, Chabad died on that sad bleak day that our Rebbe died, and it has been replaced with evil money grubbing self righteous out of controll monkeys who run Tzedoka agencies from every cell phone, E-mail address, and fax machine that they can get to, they all have an abundance of click here links for us to convieniently donate our “Tzedoka” 3 x Chai of course to by any freakin off the wall method of payment that we might have, they will convieniently automaticly deduct your
3xChai from where ever the hell you tell them they can,and quickly too. but damnit if you try to call “Rabbi” Yehuda Krinsky or any damn Tzedoka agency “President” , “Ceo”, “Founder” “Owner/ Operator”,”Manipulator”, “Chief investagator” or what ever powerfull title the so called Mitzva man gave himself and tell them that your spouse just dropped dead, on the way home from his/her Levaya you wrecked your only car and then while you were walking the 65 miles to your house because you could not afford a cab all you had was 1/2 of the rent money and that was way passed due, 3 niggers beat the crap out of you and mugged you and took your rent money, your youngest child has leukimia and you have no health ins and you need help desperately………………………….STRAIGHT TO VOICEMAIL YOU GO MY FRIEND!!!! and then you get deleted. There is no clickable for someone who needs help, there is a massive listing of Shluchim that you can www your way to from any damn where, and if you call one of them, because your in jail or starving or your 3 Yiddish Kinderlach are 5 states away with there Shaygets father who threw you accross a room a couple of times and you need to rescue them Mr. “Shliach” will convinently give you the number (that he knows Baal Pe) of a diffrent Shliach who he knows who can really help you, and if your desperate enough and feel like making a total fool of your self and you actually call Shliach # 2, he will so kindly refer you to Shliach # 3,Coming to you live from New York on his Treo in his brand new Caddy !
The Rebbe looked at everyone with love and compassion in his eyes, to him we were all Yiddish Neshomalech. My Rebbe gave his life to chabad my Rebbe had the time for anyone who had the guts to stop that line and talk to him, my Rebbe cared about each and every one of us, my Rebbe did not give up on any of us, my Rebbe took the time to read every one of those letters that we wrote to him, MY REBBE WAS A BRILLIANT, KIND ,COMPASSIONATE, TZADIK ! my Rebbe had a power that none of us will ever have nor understand, my Rebbe knew things that only Ruach Hakodesh can explain.
Moshiach Ben Dovid will come take the yiddin out of golus when we are united and worthy, when we are living a holy life,
Moshiach will fly in on his big bad eagle blowing a shofer and reveal himself when the time is right and we are worthy, my Rebbe
never lied…………. I watched my Rebbe stand in front of 770 and yell at a bunch of singing bochrim that he is not Moshiach and to go back inside and learn Torah, The Rebbe o”h never proclaimed himself as Moshiach The Rebbe only tried to teach us how to bring Moshiach and the Geula closer and rebuild the Bais Hamikdosh.
I remember the days when you could walk into 770 and it was clean and quiet, the S’forim were put away on the shelvs and there were even assigned seats in the womens section the Lubavitcher Rebbes Shul was exactly that……a Shul, a respected place.
The 770 that I walked into this week is a disgusting dirty smelly mess, there are slobs sleeping on bentches chazerim stuffing there faces and leaving there half eaten challa and empty Tuv Tam containers all over the place, the S’forim are a disgracefull
mess they are scatterd all over the place and most of them dont look like S’forim anymore, they look like a pile of Shaimous.
The Shnourers are there with there 7 shopping bags attacking you as you walk through the desheveld remnants of Chabad.
What the heck do I know I’m that piece of trash Leah Kleim, I know this, if the idiotic ignorant cult like robots that call them selv’s Lubavitchers, and Chassidim really do believe that “his majesty the Lubavitcher Rebbe, the real king Moshiach may he live forever” (as it says on there disspicable moshiach buissiness card) then they would shape the hell up, and be CHABAD and be Lubavitch instead of acting like a bunch of rabbid monkeys in the wild because if my Rebbe walked into that place right now, it would bring tears to his blue eyes.
Let my Rebbe rest in peace.
Leah kleim.
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Before you start posting comments about "2 Rebbe's Leah r u crazy? what 2 Rebbes?" That post was origionally a comment to a post that Avremel wrote
you can read it at....
http://sevenfatcow.wordpress.com...failed-messiah/
I had a hard time watching the video, because its me being emotional. I dont like to show emotion, so as you can imagine it took alot from me to "let that video out" and let people see that side of me. Now that I've built up the guts or whatever to suffer through watching the whole damn thing.....I give you the Leah Kleim version of the Ohel video !
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