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Don't you do that already? It is called a Chabad House Shabbos table.
Why do you skip from davening from a siddur to user friendly to anti-Kiddush clubs? Why not daven from a Siddur, pause for a Kiddush club, finish davening and have a mighty farbrengen?
why a trained physiologist? or do you mean psychologist?
btw, perhaps someone is interested in analyzing the Gemara where there is a machlokes between the proponent of fixed prayer vs spontaneous?
The first step to recovery is admiting you have a problem.....they also have to surrender themselv's to there higher power, realisticly do you see the egotistical self righteous money hungry controll freak's doing something that dosent promote and glorify there controll freak power starved damaging devilish ways? C'mon now, IT AINT HAPPENIN' !
e-kvetcher, thanks I will correct the typo.
I agree with Leah on this one. Prayer can be experienced either as a religious act or as a spiritual activity. Sometimes we can combine both. AA meeting have created much more spiritual experiences for people than any Shul can claim, or for that matter, all shuls combined. I suggest that INSTEAD of going to Shul you should go to a AA meeting, there are some that are open to the public. As one prominent Lubavitcher Rabbi once told me: "My strongest spiritual prayer experience was with a priest in the basement of a church (in an AA meeting)"
I don't have any substance addictions, I can't even drink and I never even tried a drug of any kind except Tylenol, etc.. Would they still accept me?
Tzemach,
I think there is some confusion here. "Judaism" has many dimensions. Are we talking about an individual spiritual process, a group prayer experience, social activities, the construction of a group identity, group therapy, and so on and so forth. You don't get the same results from each of these different activities or dimensions, nor should you expect to. In a wholistic Jewish community, all of the experiences would be available. Your spiritual director, i.e. Rebbe, would help you participate in those experiences which your neshomo needs, at the levels at which your neshomo needs them.
Gandalin, I see that you are still a communist at heart... and the future is bright!
How so?
Go to an OPEN AA meeting http://www.aaboston.org/meetings.asp
Listen to the speaker, and then to the people sharing. Then go over to the person with the longest standing sobriety, and take him out for coffee. If you promise to keep his identity anonymous, i'm sure he'll be more than happy to share his wisdom with you.
Keep us posted.
Actually, Tzemach, I think it is you are still affected/infected by the communist ideal of the "new man." You expect that immersion in a spiritual/religious/chassidische experience should transform (a) man into a saintly/spiritual entity, more like an angel than a man, and you are disappointed that chassidische dynasties are as corrupt as any dynasties, etc. The Torah takes a very different approach; what is striking about the history of the Jews from the splitting of the Sea through Sinai through the Desert, etc, is that they did not really become "the new man" and that Hashem still had to give them rules against stealing, adultery, corruption, etc, etc, even though they had experienced the Immanence of the Transcendent at Sinai. You are discouraged that man is not transformed by his encounter with the Holy, but the Jewish scriptural tradition should have prepared you for the stubborn intransigeance of human nature. So why be "religious" at all? Because Hashem said, "This month will be the first . . . " and it all follows from that.
The "religious" communitys instill a strange fear in there "members" at a very young age. Growing up in one of those concentration camps you know that you HAVE TO ACT AND BE A CERTAIN WAY, or you will be rejected like those "SHTICK DRECK" who acted out or went OFF THE DERECH by not cooperating with the community,and acting like a mindless clone. Many of the unhappy people in those places walk the walk because of the fear they have of being outcast and rejected, even by there family's if they choose to live a different or alterd lifestyle.....Chabad, Stmar,Bubov,Bresluv "yeshivish" or what ever sect you pick....Do not believe in Freedome of religion, or Freedom of speech, or Ahavas Yisroel.
The Religious Jewish communitys today belive in a cult like state of order and controll, which can be taken away from them if people who have different opinions are allowed to stay....Chas V'shulem, they might start to rub off on the others and people will quickly start drifting away !So they instill fear in there followers and the vicious cycle continues.
I wrote a rant about "THE CHULENTERS" that I think all the "Chassidim" should read and take an example from,
http://babyboiiluvu.blogspot.com/
BUT WHAT THE FUCK DO I KNOW, I'M THAT "SHTICK DRECK" LEAH KLEIM.
Leah, your mother is she a BT? Where was she from originally?
The famous/notorious Leah K. After viewing your "Leah Kleim Visits to the Ohel," I began to wonder what you are all about. Beyond one occasion when someone pointed you out to me during one of your classic Crown Heights street-theater performances, I had no idea who you are or what you were about. I still don't. I had heard some vague rumor which I won't repeat but I am happy to hear it isn't so. The vitriolic hatred of "phony chassidim" and others is nothing new but what is it about the Rebbe that still holds your love?
Tzemach, Yes my mother is a BT her mother was a religious Hungarian jew who fled from the nazi's and ditched the religion when she got to America because she was scared they would find her again....or something like that....they dont talk about it much.
Truman, I am nobody, just another face in the crowd. I Always had a love for the Rebbe, at one point I had a love for Lubavitch and Chabad 2, but they started changing into something disspicable and repulsive and then Gimul Tamuz came along and they really lost it, and now they just disgust me....yes there still are a few good ones left, but they are a dying breed.
A gutten Shabbos !
I ate last Shabbat afternoon at a family table and talked a lot about my life and we shared a lot. I felt it was pretty open.
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