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And this I write to MY DEAR COWS....
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Comment by radloh 04.14.07 @ 11:57 pm
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Well then maybe they should have jumped……
How empty does one have to be to find his fucking entertainment in laughing about a suicide? Has life got you so down that you have lost every fucking bit of compassion and heart that you had? Are you so fucking close to jumping yourself that you’ve started to look at it as funny…..As you’r way of copeing with your feelings of failure? The disshonest method you have chosen to corupt your own weak mind with, rather than tackeling your demons and overcoming your fears and working through and past your hardships and your daily hell and learning from them and in the end winding up a stronger better person through them? Does it make you feel like a bigger person when you prey on someone weaker than you ,or maybe he was stronger than you…… HE DID IT !
What the fuck ever happend to a fair fight? oh, my bad that’s how the strong ones do it. Kick em while there down! Talk shit about them when there not there to defend themselves! Act exactly like the people who you left ! …… for “turning there backs on you”, THE ABUSED BECOME THE ABUSERS ! Its Saturday night, party night ! why dont you go out and really have some fun, really be tough, really act brave,
AND STEAL SOME FUCKING CANDY FROM A BABY ! has hideing behind a fucking cyber personality aka your screen name, got to your head? has it given you some false sence of bravado and courage?
Or are you drawn to the sad ending that this man had because secretly you wish you had the “strength” he had? Or because his sad lonely ending has helped you come up with a new plan for your own bleak future? MISERY LOVES COMPANY ! and its proven right here!
“The next person who jumps should aim themselv’s and land on the Mivtzoyim table”??? Why so that THE FEW THE PROUD THE BRAVE AND THE LAST ONES STANDING THE ONES WHO WOULD EVEN STRAP THERE TEFELIN ON…………. YOU ! THE LAST OF THE REAL SHLUCHIM, GET HURT, OR DIE, because some Chassidim hurt or rejected you? and now poor little you is wounded and lashing out , WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU ! Some unhappy soul who’s dead inside and blames the world around them for there misery and in reality thrives off of and enjoys that missery……..Thats why you willingly wallow in it! Or do you wander around aimlessly with the warped idea in your head that since you are such a “caring fucking individual” and “do gooder” and oh so selfless you are ! and because you are trying so fucking hard to help your self, that the world should bow to you and be at your beck and call and bend there fucking backs to rescue and help you……when all you do is degrade and ridicule them to give your self a twisted feeling of worth and purpose? I thought that WE were supposed to be the ones that were better than this, the ones who left or stood alone while screaming our oh so true but bold opinion because of shit like this? What the fuck happend to our strength? The strength that we had when we left the people who did this to us when we were down?
I dont know who Moshe Kanovsky was, but I know that he lived in a dark ugly world filled with sadness sorrow and tears, and noone took the time to walk him out of there. I know that before he ended his missery he was probably tourmented by feelings of despaire and fear,and when he thought up his final plan he was probably terrified of failing at that too, and when he executed it……he was probably numb to life by then, and it was the only thing left to do……the thoughts of a one time fellow jumper……..
EVERYONE has a breaking point ! a snaping point ! something that takes them to “the other side” You need soldiers to go to war, IT TAKES AN ARMY TO WIN THE WAR ! And here we stand claiming to be the REAL ONES, THE STRONG ONES, THE WARRIORS, THE SURVIVORS, THE ONES THAT ARE LOUD AND OUTSPOKEN WHEN THEY REJECT ANOTHER ONE, THE REAL MOTHERFUCKERS! But in reality, the ones who cause the vicious cycle to continue….THE ABUSED!……… THE ABUSERS !
Have any of us logged off of our cyber machoism, and took a moment in our self absorbed “reality’s” to wonder……….Was Moshe Kanovsky married? How is his wife doing? Or, did Moshe Kanovsky have any children, that now have to live with out a father? Did Moshe Kanovsky have parents that were still living? Have any of us put our fucking “top priority # 1 lives” on hold for just a few minutes to wonder about, feel for, or cry for, the people who he left with feelings of guilt and regret over coulda woulda shoulda’s that they are now permanently planting in them selv’s and tourmenting themselv’s with? Have any one of us really rose above the ones who rejected us and caused us to stand on that ledge a time or two ? DID THE ARMY SURRENDER? DID SOMEONE PUT UP A WHIT FLAG AND FORGET TO TELL THE TROOPS ON THE FRONT LINE? DO WE FUCKING STAND TOGETHER, OR DIVIDED WE FALL………….HAVE WE BECOME THE ONES WE HATE?
Radloh, you wrote about about your beautifull “SHIKSA GODDESS”
and how her godly soul rescued you, cared for you,and clothed you, when “OUR PEOPLE” left you for dead under a bridge, and how you were giving up something that obviously meant alot to you, OR YOU WOULDNT HAVE WROTE ABOUT IT ! as an “ODE” TO YOUR “SHIKSA GODDESS” so you obviously have respect, appreciation, and regard for life……….STAND UP SOLDIER ! FIGHT FOR YOUR CAUSE ! The Shiksa Goddess didnt leave any cold ignorant comments here……..She truly is a Godly soul. And HSD, arent you the one who just yesterday, cursed the jews out and was saluting hitler? WAS HE FROM CROWN HEIGHTS? Why would you even fucking waiste your time asking? Dont they have an oven for you to fire up in your homeland of Auschwitz? Or did they stop letting the nazis who wore Yarmulkas have that honerary duty ? You of all people here (and me) should be showing some fucking concern, compassion, and sorrow for Moshe Kanovsky ! When we were shackeled and contained in Mountaindale, were we left for dead? or left alone? or rejected? WHO RESCUED US? and they should land on the Mivtzoyim table ! you have a lot of fucking CHUTZPA sometimes. Those people at that rickedy dink fucking table putting Tefilin on people are the ones we used to be, the ones who are fading away, the ones we were happy with ! The ones who are still doing the work of our Rebbe, The ones who really are Chabad, The ones that would help a hitler promoting jew because of V’eahavta Leracha Kamocha ! The ones who would invest there time in US, if we stopped at that table ! THE REAL TRUE LUBAVITCHER SHLUCHIM ! The ones who are still doing what our Rebbe asked them to do ! The ones who respected and believed in our Rebbe and saw him as a TRUE CHOSSID, AND REAL TZADIK and now have devoted there time to keeping the Rebbes dream of KLAL YISROEL BEING B’EACHDUS alive by promoting his mission ! Oh but I forgot, your the one who wants to question why he didnt save the whole damn world if he was really such a Tzadik!
I dunno ! you have a band, WHY ARENT YOU TOURING WITH OZZY AND METALLICA?
Do you ever think that maybe if you let go of some of your hate and showed some love once in a while……the few real Chassidim/Jews would welcome you with open arms? THEY WOULD ! dont expect acceptance and love from people who you hate and tourment constantly…………but they still fucking awate you with a smile, a lechaim, and a nigun ! And how would hitler feel if he found you at Chulent? hu? think before you speak ! And HSD, lets not forget the time that you were “standing on the ledge” 14 yrs ago. Any white trash would have either left you for dead with the blood dripping down your face and the engine still running, or robbed you, then brought you to the Er and left your ass there! But no not us…. we took you back 3 fucking times in one night and then stayed with you to make sure you didnt fucking do it again and die ! Do you think we stood by your self destructive side just for fucking fun? Do you think we wanted to get the “drugs are bad for you speech” from some foreign doctor in half ass broken english because you were to damn out of it to listen to his speech? HECK FUCKING NO ! Do you think me and Meyer thought to ourselv’s “hey lets go to some fucking run down understaffed ER in NYC and play dodge the security guard so we can sneak into the skanky fucking bathroom and snort the killer 8 ball we scored on the back of a fucking pissy toilet bowl while they run IV’S through our buddys veins because he banged to much damn smack………BECAUSE IT WAS FUCKING FUN?PARTY ON DUDE ! NO ! There we were, the jewish junkie kids, right by your fucking side during your “walk on the ledge” or…………cry for help.
Of all the people here, you are the one who knows me “best” on a personal, real, level. And I think I can claim the same about you, and thats why you spark this side of me, you were the cause for KLEIMS I SCREAM and I didn’t even know it was you………..GO FUCKING FIGURE !
Get the fuck out of the gutter HSD, you’r strong, you’r determined, and YOU HAVE THE POWER ! I remember the days so clearly when you had a smile on your face, a twinkle in your eye, and an honest concern and care for the lost ones……..and a long beard, black hat, and tzitsis!
I never met or heard of Moshe Kanovsky untill today, and I dont know if any of you besides Radloh and Allahhuechad have either, but that is irrelavant. Moshe Kanovsky was someone who is just like some of us, ALONE ! how can we stand here on our self made high fucking holy horses and bitch about and be pissed off at our past hell’s and uphill hikes against the self reighteous cruising down hill with fully loaded supercharged posse traction for the sole purpose of getting to the finish line and talking shit about us, When we are gonna join them in ridiculing and ignoring a sad and serious issue………the ones we cling to, the lost boys. Why dont one of us big bad loud mouth “survivo
“survivors” stand up and find out who his family is, and if they are sitting shiva for him, and go comfort them since the “frum” world will probably not aknowledge there sadness because the Kitzur Shulchan Aruch says that “THERE IS NOONE SO WICKED AS THE ONE WHO COMMITS SUICIDE”………THEREFORE,ONE SHOULD NOT OBSERVE MORNING FOR HIM. But was it suicide…..or murder, By taking the life out of him through rejection and mental torture? It takes a mega amount of pain to casually interview someone and when you’r through walk into another room and calmly go to the window and jump. Moshe Kanovsky went throuh enough torture and hell, and if you believe in the Torah, he’s got alot of answering and Teshuva to do upstairs. Let him rest in peace, and leave the man alone, his life was obviously filled with darkness with out us making fun of him too. And to the one who asked does anyone have a picture of him to post, You are truly sick, lost, and evil, if your seeking hits or ratings just go ahead and use my name in what ever fucking warped post you are seeking attention for and you’ll get the google results you’r seeking. Let him be ! And I dont think “he wanted it to be a Chilul Hashem” either, are you really so fucking shallow as to think that someone would do that just so that he was a “Chilul Hashem” we are doing a fine job at that right here ! WE DONT NEED ANY HELP ! And yes, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED ! Theresa Colon a Shiksa tourist from Virginia got sick to her stomach and cried and said
” I PRAY HE KNEW WHO GOD WAS”
GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE GUTTER, AND WALK THE FUCKING WALK ! CREEP OUT FROM BEHIND THOSE SAFE LITTLE SCREENNAMES AND PRACTICE WHAT YOU FUCKING PREACH ! AND SHOW SOME REAL COURAGE AND STRENGTH AND STAND TOGETHER AND TAKE DOWN THE ONES WHO LEFT YOU ANGRY SAD ALONE AND COLD! DO NOT JUSTIFY AND GLORIFY THE ABUSER BY EMULATING HIM.
BREAK THAT CYCLE !
THE KITZUR SHULCHON ARUCH ALSO SAYS…………..IF IT IS EVIDENT THAT THE ACT WAS PROMPTED THROUGH FEAR OF TOURTURE AS WASTHE CASE WITH KING SHAUL, HE SHOULD BE TREATED AS THOUGH HE DIED A NATURAL DEATH.
GO AHEAD AND RIP ME APART NOW, WHO THE FUCK DO I THINK I AM ! I’M LEAH KLEIM THE GARBAGE OF CHABAD, THAT ONE WHO RUNS HER MOUTH WITH THOSE CRAZY CHULENTERS ON SEVENFATCOW AND THE “SHTICK DRECK” OF MENTALBLOG !
And if it was just “life in general” that drove him to it…..then we should really understand because isn’t that what “we are seeking”
Anyone knows any details about his life?
Reports of suicide are always sobering. They stir something very deep inside most people and they become occasions for reflecting upon life - lived and lost. I understand how the pain that lead to such a choice resonates with the pain of the living and hence elicits very powerful responses but I have a request. Please constrain your responses to something in length and content that others can read.
If you cant read it, DELETE IT !
Leah, Truman just making suggestion, he is an important reader and contributor, just like you.
I knew him in Yeshiva. He grew up in Silver Spring and was a pleasant fellow, but was certainly an individual who needed help for depression and self-criticism. I believe his parents are divorced.
Any other details that you remember?
TA,
Thanks for the confidence.
Leah,
My intent was meant as a critique not criticism and stem from a genuine interest in your perspective. As the Rebbe said 17 years ago; oros d'tohu b'keilim d'tikkun i.e., b'ofen ha'miskabbel. As any writer who is worth his salt understands, write with your readers in mind; it is the basic stance in the discipline of communication.
but I have a request. Please constrain your responses to something in length and content that others can read.
Truman | 04.15.07 - 11:54 am | #
He seems to speak 4 everyone....
And Tzemach, I did'nt think at all that you were being critical or ignorant in what you wrote, but as you said," write with your readers in mind; it is the basic stance in the discipline of communication."......And some of them cant read, or understand some of the things we write, so that is why I wrote that, because I think this is a very important issue that needs to be addressed and taken seriously, so 2 make sure that there is no confusion AT ALL , I thought that you should have had a different line,
Yosher Koach , Buddy !
I knew him well. I can't breathe. I can't stand this.
yehupitz, please tell us more about Moshe.
As if his parent's divorce is relavant . But to the frum world everything needs a "logical" explaination. Your depressd if your parents are divorced. Your crazy your parents are BT's your poor , your father was a shtikel shlepper.
Can it be otherwise ?
I'm sorry. My head is bursting. I can't talk now. This is so awful I can't deal right now...
Schneur, indeed irrelevant but in this context I think he was just stating what he knew about him without making a judgment call. This is how I feel about this.
I knew this guy for several years. He was a very sweet person, although I had no idea that he had problems like this. You just never know what's going on inside...
Knew him slightly when we were in Yeshiva together. He reintroduced himself to me when we bumped into each other a few months ago. I didn't recognize him but he remembered me. He told me that he had recently moved to Passiac and that he was working in NYC as a lawyer.
The topic of suicide is too important to be allowed to devolve into an argument about which facts are or are not relevant or rather, end there without achieving a deeper understanding of the nature of human suffering that leads to a solution. Mental anguish is by far the most excrutiating of all pain and those who bear up under its appalling weight are unsung gibborim.
I was not mentioning the divorce in reference to the suicide. Its just some details that I recall. He was from White Oak in Silver Spring. I dont know his family, I only know about them a bit.
Back in our Yeshiva days I used to be close with him and shmooze with him. I often tried to cheer him up and remember vividly how unsure of himself and self-critical he was. He was a sweet guy with some complicated mental issues.
I really hadnt seen him in a few years so I cant speak of his recent history. I am not sure what other types of details you are looking for, so I dont know what to add.
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One can be invited to hundreds of shabbas meals and sponsored sedarim etc, and still fell very very alone. There are friends and than there are friends.
Please post memories at:
http://moshekanovsky.blogspot.com/
Hello there. I'm a reporter for a New York newspaper who is in the process of putting together a piece on Mr. Kanovsky. I'm having trouble tracking down his relatives, and am wondering if it might be possible to speak with some of you who knew him. I can be reached at: 212-210-2147. Thanks very much, and I'm so sorry for your loss.
moshe wasn't crazy. just depressed at times maybe and aren't we all? he proposed to me. he wanted to marry me. he said he needed a best friend. i told him that marriage doesn't solve all u'r problems. i turned him down. that was a while ago. but i did care about him. he knew. he contacted me alot after just to talk because he knew i cared. he was always watching not to hurt anyone and he didn't want me to stress over my decision. he had a conscience unlike most. nobody is perfect in this world and neither was he. but he was a good person. he believed in second chances. he believed in hashgacha pratis. why did he give up? deep inside my heart i am grieving....
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