Would they have applauded if he was straight?
jimmyb | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 10:46 am | #

Ewwwwwwwwwww....
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 10:47 am | #

Pedo-Wizard.
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 10:48 am | #

So THAT'S why he taught him how to handle his wand...
joe | 10.20.07 - 10:53 am | #

"Would they have applauded if he was straight?"

Let's see...

"Dumbledore luuuuuuuuuuvs the pussy" the author responded to gasps and applause.

Maybe not.
El Derbo | 10.20.07 - 10:58 am | #

That was so....unnecesary. Idiot, I guess she's getting scared that in a few years she'll be old news, so hey let's make Dumbledore light in the loafers so that the homo groups will be praising her forever. Now we really know why his brother beat the crap out of him.
Titandude | 10.20.07 - 11:14 am | #

Is she implying that gays can't find true love? Homophobic!
Larry | 10.20.07 - 11:18 am | #

I never read any of the HP books. Is there any indication in the way the character is drawn that would suggest he is gay, or is the Author just looking for publicity?
Pinotopolis | 10.20.07 - 11:30 am | #

What will be the next great step forward for Western civilization? Bestiality? Necrophilia? Pedophilia?

I think the order will be pedophilia, closely followed by bestiality and then some time later necrophilia.

Soon cannibalism will be a progressive cause.
Godfrey | 10.20.07 - 11:31 am | #

If you notice VD, the whole story revolves around marxist political correctness. The whole plot line revolves around "Half-bloods" persecuted against the "Pure bloods" and the Pure Bloods are eeeevillll.

This is another regurgitated Nazi themed series. J. K. Rowling is no thinker but is blinded by modern propaganda and writes a story embedding Cultural Marxism.

So now, to complete the sicko series, she outs Dumbledore as a homo. Just more sickness.

Western Civilization has been dead for a long time. And one can't go nowhere, read, or see anything without some Nazi theme in it.

Pure bloods are eeeevilllll. That is why we must alow Pakistani, Hindu, Moslem invasion of Europe---Pure bloods are eeeevilllll. We need more race mixing is really the message of J. K. Rowling.

Look at the Girlfriend of the Anglo-Saxon Potter---an Asian---yehhhh.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 11:31 am | #

How can you have European Civilization, Christendom, without Pure blood Europeans?

This is the struggle for real conservatives--this Marxist cultural bs throughout our societies.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 11:34 am | #

Dumbledore: "Harry, do you like Gladiator movies"?
pablo H | 10.20.07 - 11:41 am | #

J.K. Rowling is a product of new Marxist culture. What she writes about is the Pre-dominant, Jewish created Cultural matrix--Half-bloods are good--Pure Bloods are eeevilll. The constant race mixing, the "blond haired, blue eyed" are eeevillll characters.

Her literature shows a complete cultural transformation of the West. The West is dead--The Eastern syncretistic Communist Culture is the NORM! Culture revolves around the dominant sophistry and that is Cultural Marxism---And NO Women can't create great Western literature. Only Men created Western literature because the West is a Masculine Culture and that J.K. Rowling is so deceived into buying into the politically correct nonsense is proof positive of her small mind.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 11:50 am | #

My youngest son was inspired to do this:


www.dumbgayfag.ytmnd.com

His lack of subtlety is made up for by his lack of subtlety.
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 11:51 am | #

At least George Takei had the good taste not to project his sexual proclivities onto the fictional character he plays. When a Trekkie demanded to know, "Is Sulu gay?" he sidestepped the issue (and Paramount's legal department) by responding, "In the 23rd Century sexual orientation won't matter."

At the William Shatner roast, however, Takei was "out and proud". Among the barbs he hurled at The Fat One: "If my lover sucked as hard as your acting, I'd never leave my chateau."
Houston | 10.20.07 - 12:01 pm | #

So she captures an entire generation of youngsters with her tales, and then - at the end - tells them of of the great heroes is queer.

She sucks.
Bobert | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 12:02 pm | #

Hey, Jason Whitlock is an African--He knows his own.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 12:04 pm | #

Posted that Whitlock in the wrong Haloscan--my apologies.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 12:06 pm | #

Pino,

I haven't read the books either, but I saw some of the movies (I know, I know). But my guess is publicity. Perhaps now that the series has ended she was going into publicity withdrawal.
El Derbo | 10.20.07 - 12:08 pm | #

Perhaps now that the series has ended she was going into publicity withdrawal.
- El Derbo

Sounds like an attempt to repeat the Ann Heche "hey-look-at-me-I-am-a-lesbian!" strategy.
Houston | 10.20.07 - 12:14 pm | #

Yay for gayness! Flowing gowns and little pointy sticks. All very uplifting.

What she did took a lot of courage. It would have been too easy to make him homosexual before she made her billions.
jrl | 10.20.07 - 12:25 pm | #

Is there any indication in the way the character is drawn that would suggest he is gay, or is the Author just looking for publicity?

No, I think she envisioned Dumbledore that way, but didn't dare to actually describe him thusly. And reasonably so, that would have derailed the Potter express in a heartbeat. He was essentially sexless, except he clearly enjoyed the private time he spent mentoring Harry in his office which in retrospect now looks a bit suspect.

I'm not sure she is going to enjoy the inevitable pedophile jokes that a homosexual running a school is bound to inspire.
VD | 10.20.07 - 12:28 pm | #

This was such a stupid thing for her to do, and completely unnecessary. I'm disappointed, not because the series was so great, but because it wasn't a bad series and didn't have to resort to kowtowing to the gays to continue being a success. It's a shame, really.
m.x. | 10.20.07 - 12:36 pm | #

Great, Dumbledore is out, the new James Bond is gay...whats next, Siegfrid and Roy?
trk | 10.20.07 - 12:36 pm | #

Uh, yeah.
We're talking about a fictional character, here, right?
Unless you mean the dude that played him in the movie. If not, how "gay" could Bugs Bunny be?
Betcha' Borat's queer, too!

*Sighs, rolls eyes*
Galt-in-Da-Box | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 12:39 pm | #

Galt, don't pull the stupid "Murphy Brown is just a TV character, lets look at how stupid Dan Quayle is" business.

Of COURSE it's a fictional character. But fiction presents a reflexion of the surrounding culture. And THAT is eminently commentable-upon.
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 12:46 pm | #

Another reason I am glad that I haven't read single page of the Potter series.
Jeanne | 10.20.07 - 12:46 pm | #

This was perfect for you Vox, I didn't even think about it properly, the implications, but there you go, you delivered.

Good job.

Quiddich takes on an all new meaning don't it.
Jamie R | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 12:51 pm | #

Uh, yeah.
We're talking about a fictional character, here, right?
Unless you mean the dude that played him in the movie. If not, how "gay" could Bugs Bunny be?
Betcha' Borat's queer, too!

*Sighs, rolls eyes*
Galt-in-Da-Box | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 12:55 pm | #

To me this is no less idiotic than those in the "gay community" who took notice that Gandalf (ian mckellen) is gay and try making something of it. And of course if you try to impune that "logic" they will get all Butt Hurt (some pun intended) about it. As much as it is Her work, Rowling follows in the footsteps of the likes George Lucas, who seemingly seek to ruin their own work for the people who enjoy it.
NateM | 10.20.07 - 1:02 pm | #

What would you expect from a bimbo who was quoted as saying that she never considered the Potter series 'fantasy' while she was writing. Hells bells! Does she think it's real?

Besides, she admits never having finished reading LOTR. She's useless.
matchedpearls | 10.20.07 - 1:16 pm | #

Doesn't Rowling's initials stand for
Just Kidding?
Salt | 10.20.07 - 1:25 pm | #

Boy, this give "Hogwarts" a whole new meaning. Or should that read "a hole new meaning"?
Pablo | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 2:22 pm | #

"My youngest son was inspired to do this:


www.dumbgayfag.ytmnd.com

His lack of subtlety is made up for by his lack of subtlety.
The Aardvark"L

You really should try to teach your son better morals and ethics.

What a shame.
Pinotopolis | 10.20.07 - 2:28 pm | #

You really should try to teach your son better morals and ethics.

What a shame. (Pinotopolis)

You just have to bring up morality and ethics, don't you?

Okay, I'll bite. Aardvark is presumably teaching his son morality that upholds his values. His values may not be the same as yours, but for you to criticise him and his son presupposes some objective standard for correct morality.

Since you have clearly stated that you are convinced that there is no such standard ("hooey", I think was the word you used) you have no basis for criticising the Aardvark's values and morals, at least not the way you did, with words like "better" and "shame".

You could, however, convince him that the website is not in keeping with the Aardvark's values, meaning that he should warn his son against it for the sake of consistency. You could also convince the Aardvark to change his value system so that it excludes allowing his son to enjoy such websites.

Incidentally, even if we agree on an objective standard for morality, we still do not have enough information to criticize the Aardvark. After all, maybe he did advise his son not to view the website and didn't mention it here. Maybe his son is an adult and has the right to look at whatever websites he wants. Maybe we should just keep our big noses in our own business and let other people raise their children however they damn well please.

One way or another, you only damage your own position when you switch hats from relativist to absolutist like this. This, more than anything, is the reason that others make fun of you so much more than the other atheists and agnostics that post here.

Oh, and I guess I should mention that I am also surprised and amused by the news about Dumbledore. Tschuss.
Shild | 10.20.07 - 2:46 pm | #

Ponotop-- Are you homophilic?
Art | 10.20.07 - 2:49 pm | #

"Tschuss" should be "Tchuss"
Shild | 10.20.07 - 2:49 pm | #

How about "a hole new bleeding"?...
joe | 10.20.07 - 2:52 pm | #

"Incidentally, even if we agree on an objective standard for morality, we still do not have enough information to criticize the Aardvark. After all, maybe he did advise his son not to view the website and didn't mention it here."

Let's hope he did. If he did advise against it...my apologies.
Pinotopolis | 10.20.07 - 2:56 pm | #

"
One way or another, you only damage your own position when you switch hats from relativist to absolutist like this. This, more than anything, is the reason that others make fun of you so much more than the other atheists and agnostics that post here."

The immorality inherent in that website is absolutely consistent with my view of right and wrong. Of this there can be no doubt. And since we all judge others actions based on our own view of right and wrong, I'm only doing what every other honest person does when they judge others. I am doing so from my own perspective.
Pinotopolis | 10.20.07 - 2:58 pm | #

I'm sure nobody here thinks it's a coincidence that she waited until after the last book was published to reveal this unnecessary and disastrous little fact to us.
m.x. | 10.20.07 - 3:04 pm | #

Now we know that Dumbledore was gay, can't we all agree that Edwards is really a faggot?
pablo H | 10.20.07 - 3:04 pm | #

And since we all judge others actions based on our own view of right and wrong, I'm only doing what every other honest person does when they judge others. I am doing so from my own perspective.

Which is exactly what the author of that web site is also doing, yet you condemn him for it. There's a word for that, hold on, it's coming to me ...
Larry | 10.20.07 - 3:04 pm | #

Quiddich takes on an all new meaning don't it.
Jamie R

Especially how the golden ball ended up in Harry's mouth. Or was that homo-osity only in the films?
Michael Maier | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 3:20 pm | #

This hole thing is gay.

My morality says gays and those that support them at all in any way including objecting to my morality should be deep-fried in lard.

And the great thing is that no one has any relevant basis for criticizing my views, right Pinto?
Michael Maier | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 3:24 pm | #

Especially how the golden ball ended up in Harry's mouth.

What a world for the lonely crowd.

I *totally* took that quote from a Luther Vandross song - if said song was for faggots who practice magic.

Any love. I guess.
Jamie R | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 3:29 pm | #

Wheeler, since all human beings are the descendants of Noah and his family it makes precisely no difference if the "Anglo-Saxon" Harry Potter has a (human) girlfriend who's Asian, African, Indian, or even shock/horror French (Norman).

If you're talking about cultural differences which can become a problem sometimes; she's an English Asian girl which means they have the same culture too.
Jason | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 3:39 pm | #

The gay community will probably respond appropriately for this unwarranted outing.
superninja | 10.20.07 - 3:56 pm | #

Pino, Dumbledore is a father figure and nothing more. At the most he does seem to have some quirky traits, but I wouldn't say they suggest anything. This is just to get attention.
superninja | 10.20.07 - 3:58 pm | #

How can you have European Civilization, Christendom, without Pure blood Europeans?

"Christendom" exists independent of European civilization or the existence of "pure blood" europeans.
Crystal Lake | 10.20.07 - 4:17 pm | #

Next up:

Harry Potter and the Forbidden Fruit.
Wes | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 4:36 pm | #

She was asked by one young fan whether Dumbledore finds "true love."

One hopes (probably vainly) that none of the fans were too young.

And one must consider that this sort of thing became inevitable after Daniel Ratliff had his little adventure in that "work of art" known as Equus.
duckman1957 | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 4:49 pm | #

Now we really know why his brother beat the crap out of him.
Titandude

Cousin. Harry was an only child who was orphaned at the age of one.
duckman1957 | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 4:50 pm | #

I think Titandude was talking about Dumbledore getting beat up by his brother.
Shild | 10.20.07 - 4:51 pm | #

"This hole thing is gay.

My morality says gays and those that support them at all in any way including objecting to my morality should be deep-fried in lard.

And the great thing is that no one has any relevant basis for criticizing my views, right Pinto?
Michael Maier"

The ways by which any view can be criticized is huge. You can agree or disagree with the criticism. But you can't deny the criticism can be made.
Pinotopolis | 10.20.07 - 4:52 pm | #

This hole thing is gay.
Michael Maier

The hole thing is usually gay. Even when the whole thing is totally hetero.
duckman1957 | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 4:52 pm | #

"Pino, Dumbledore is a father figure and nothing more. At the most he does seem to have some quirky traits, but I wouldn't say they suggest anything. This is just to get attention.
superninja"

Her ploy seemed to work.
Pinotopolis | 10.20.07 - 4:53 pm | #

But you can't deny the criticism can be made. (Pinotopolis)

He didn't. He just pointed out that "no one has any relevant basis for criticizing my views" (MM). Do you disagree?
Shild | 10.20.07 - 5:09 pm | #

Gee, and I thought it was all about the christian theme ... or so I am being told.
Persona | 10.20.07 - 5:26 pm | #

YTMND is as great and creative as anything else on the web.

YTMND is as loathsome and low as anything else on the web.

We have raised our kids with the tools to accept or reject the things they see and hear. They know enough, and exhibit enough taste to avoid as much of the drek as they can, given that one is always three mouseclicks away from disaster on the 'net. I mean, when you google "dominion theology", and get pictures of people in black leather doing...things...well, you get the point.
Just because it exists on YTMND does not mean that they partake of it. They are selective.

Much in the culture invites satire and fun-making. The Rowling silliness merely begged for it.

But thank you, Pintopolish, for your deep concern for our menage, and the morality therein.

And thanks, too, Shild, for ably brandishing the broken bourbon bottle of Reason.

See what I miss when I have to work?
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 6:12 pm | #

This was such a stupid thing for her to do, and completely unnecessary. I'm disappointed, not because the series was so great, but because it wasn't a bad series and didn't have to resort to kowtowing to the gays to continue being a success. It's a shame, really.
m.x. | 10.20.07 - 12:36 pm | #

I agree, I agree.
Turgonian | 10.20.07 - 6:14 pm | #

Wes, I was snickering over comments here and there, but yours made me laugh out loud!
Arielle | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 6:14 pm | #

Besides, Pintopolis, Who died and made you....

Oh, never mind.
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 6:17 pm | #

Re: The Aardvark,

You are most welcome, although I have to admit that swinging that bottle is always its own reward.
Shild | 10.20.07 - 6:19 pm | #

Of course, Dumbledore isn't the only thing that J.K. has "outed" recently.
Larry | 10.20.07 - 6:25 pm | #

Hey Aardvark!

here's my email address: livingfree1697@hotmail.com

I got a question to ask you.

Thank ya!
Crystal Lake | 10.20.07 - 7:13 pm | #

"Christendom" exists independent of European civilization or the existence of "pure blood" europeans. --Crystal Lake

Don't let Wheeler hear about that!
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 7:16 pm | #

"If you're talking about cultural differences which can become a problem sometimes; she's an English Asian girl which means they have the same culture too.
Jason

J. K. Rowling is just another cog in the wheel of neo-babelism, one world global propaganda. She has been fed BS all her life and now she regugitates that BS in her Harry Potter books as well. Garbage in--Garbage out.

She has now successfully implanted in the minds of million of susceptible children, who don't have any training in discernment, communist ideology!!!!! by wrapping it up in a candy wrapper.

She is the shinning example of Fabian socialism! Eve was easily decieved and we can see that Eve characteristic very easily in J. K. Rowling!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 7:34 pm | #

Well, of course Crystal Lake will say that. She is one of those judeochristians. I am adding her to the Bone head list, those that seek death of the West either consciously or unconsciously.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 7:36 pm | #

Don't forget the date rape in the last book:
http://www.theonion.com/content/ ...at_harry_potter
445supermag | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 7:44 pm | #

"ousin. Harry was an only child who was orphaned at the age of one."

No, he was talking about DD's brother, Aberforth, who broke Dumbledore's nose during his sister's funeral. Irrelevant, I know.

"Of course, Dumbledore isn't the only thing that J.K. has "outed" recently."

How the lowly became mighty, then fell again.
m.x. | 10.20.07 - 7:45 pm | #

WLW,

I am taken aback by your generosity. I hope to live up to this honor. By the way, that's Bone Head with a capital "H". It is a small thing, but please indulge me.

I would like to point out however, that I don't seek the death of the West anymore than Pat Buchanan does.
I do find some things about Western Culture irritating, but I am doing ok within it, so I don't want it to be Islamized or taken over by Opera companies.

All I was pointing out (if I recall) was that prophesy points to bad things happening to the Nations (Gentiles) and the fact that Christendom is Babylon of Revelations.

As far as European civilization goes, Germany in the thirties was a place of high culture and technological achievement. The Jews were some of the most assimilated in the world.
Non of these factors saved Germany from its descent into totalitarian barbarity (while keeping very good records of their crimes).

Thanks again for the recognition.
.
Bone Head | 10.20.07 - 8:01 pm | #

Classical music is NOT produced by the African, Asian, Semite!

Do you have any idea how many classical music composers and performers are Jewish? Not to mention Asians like Yo-Yo Ma.
Larry | 10.20.07 - 8:07 pm | #

And did they create that Larry before being introduced by it thru Europeans?

I can also build a pagado Larry, does that mean I am Asian?

Just because I can ape it, doesn't mean I can create it.

English culture is a product of Anglo-Saxon character and that character is the product of the Anglo-Saxon soul, group soul. Just as an individual has a soul, so does the nation, tribe, ethnicity. As people do peculiar things, so do nations.

Trifunctionality is an Indo-European trait. (q.v. Georges Dumezil, look him up) It is peculiar to only European people. The Trinitarian concept of Christianity is a product of European people. It is not a semitic mind thought. European thought is very much attuned to proportion, symmetry and harmony. Look at the Cathedrals in every country of Europe and compare those Cathedrals with a Jewish synagogue, a Moslem Mosque and the grotesqueness of Asian temples. Very Different.

Have you ever listened to Asian music?---its atonality? Ohh, an asian girl can speak English and sip tea at tea time, but she still carries with her, her asian character. Her soul is Asian--not English. The difference of her soul is manifested in her different physical features that are NOT Anglo-saxon.

This is reality folks. And Christians who go around, refusing to see reality or understand it, are essentially liars. The Christian duty is to reality--to its faithful representation--not to ideology.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 8:26 pm | #

The totalitarian barbarity of Germany is the product of years of Socialist propaganda!!!!

Why do people constantly think that all of sudden, this just popped up out of nowhere?????????? Is because the real causes of the totalitarian barbarity of Germany was many years in the making by socialist agitators, communists, European Liberals, Humanists and Jews constantly undermining the Old Order of Germany!!!!!!!

Victor Adler and Ferdinand Lassalle and others worked throughout the 19th and early 20th centuries to undermine Christianity and the royal families of the particular German provinces. The German revolution of 1932 was a product of the French revolution!

Communism was in Germany LONGER than national socialism. National Socialism of the German style was created in Bohemia!!!!!!!!! in now Czechslovakia!!! It was Czechs in reaction to communist ideology that created the term National socialism.

If national socialism did not take over Germany---Communism would have!!!!! It is all Socialism---And who created communism was Karl Marx the Jew. All of Socialism can be seen orginating from the Jewish idea and need for Tikkun Olam--fixing the world. This is the mission of Socialism--fixing the world! The goal of national socialism is about fixing the world, so it has Jewish roots!

Just like the great salvation of the World has Jewish roots--the great evil of the world has Jewish roots. Why you people don't understand this dictum, this paradigm, (seen by Aristotle) is why you are all so hopelessly confused.

Race-mixing is communist ideology. National socialism can ONLY be seen in context with COMMUNISM. That the majority of people clamor and harp on some sort of spontaneous eruption is a perfect sign of the decievement and hoodwinking going on in academia and elsewhere. Hitler was actually combatting Communist ideology, an ideology of nation-destroying (in some aspects){Hitler was still a socialist, a national socialist combatting international socialists}. That J. K. Rowling is a perfect spouter of communist ideology is sign of its ascendancy and mastery over all of European cultural thought.

Until you people realize that, you will continue to misdiagnose, to misread, and make glaring mistakes in judgement and therefore wrong conclusions. You are being hoodwinked.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 8:45 pm | #

Wheeler, you are insane. Are "non-western" souls worse somehow?
Ben-El | 10.20.07 - 8:46 pm | #

Aristotle noticed that it was the Aristocracy that produced the most good in a society--but it could also produce the most evil. Just like Lucifer was the Highest angel, and now Satan, produces the most evil.

The Hebrews are the Chosenites. Of course, great good came out of them. But in the laws of nature, what produces good, can also produce evil. And the greatest evil is also produced by them!!!!! This is a law of nature.

Socialism is a Jewish creation. It is Tikkun Olam. And to stand against Socialism is to be anti-semitic. Socialism is monomanical as is the semitic mindset is monomanical. Socialism in all of its manifestations, communism, national socialism, exhibit this monomanicalism.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 8:50 pm | #

"Dumbledore is gay"

More anti-nature new agers. Unless, of course, Dumbledore's anus lubes up naturally.
bw | 10.20.07 - 8:58 pm | #

Now you are getting the picture Ben-El!

Worse? We all have different gifts. To the European was given the "love of Beauty". This is why Europeans create beautiful things, is because their minds, their souls are attuned to trifunctionality. Christianity with its Trinitarianism is an European religion.

Jewish thought is One God. It is monomanicalism. Semitic thought is simple-minded. The Golden Mean is not a Semitic mindset. The Semitic mindset is "either-or". That is why communism, national socialism, libertarianism are all Extremes. Strict Monotheism is an Extreme. This Extreme thought, like "Sola Scriptura" is Jewish thought.

On the other hand, Roman Catholicism, which is a creation of European thought, is built NOT on Sola Scriptura but on Holy Tradition And Scripture. Everything in the Golden Mean--no extremes.

There is a big difference between the Semitic mindset and the European mindset. You can see that in the Architecture of the East--Extreme--whitewashed walls. Protestantism exhibits this Semitic mindset of extremes.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 8:58 pm | #

Ben-el, Jacques Maritain points out that philosophy is NOT semitic--it is European thought process. Philosophy is about the Metaphysical, about essences, about intangibles that underlay reality. The Soul is a Greek science. To see and understand Soul is purely a European subject. Socialism in its materialism denies the effects of soul.

God intended certain peoples with certain characteristics. Semites are NOT Europeans and Africans are NOT Europeans.

Race-mixing is Soul-mixing. Is this the will of God? Did God intend for this to happen? I don't think so.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 9:11 pm | #

Mr. Wheeler,
I don't think you are insane at all. I think you are correct about Tikkum Olam. I just think it is an incorrect application of the concept (by the Jews).

Sola scriptura maybe Jewish thought but it is the narrow way to truth under the tutelage of Ruach Hakodesh.

In regard to trinitarianism: this is a doctrine of devils, like the eternal torture of HELL, and should be disgarded for the nonsense that it is.

Check this out:

Even atheistic socialism collapsed under the weight of Western freedom based on faith in G-d. But all of this is rapidly crumbling away. Just like the Twin Towers, the West is imploding. The ability to distinguish between good and evil has been replaced by post-modernism. Freedom has been replaced by nihilistic servitude and capitalism has lost its refinement and cultural restraint. Instead of liberating man, it now enslaves him and has turned the masses -- both rich and poor -- into servants of the system. There is no need for 'gulags.' Western society lives in golden cages, more enslaved and despondent than ever. There is no day of rest and no days of work; no working hours and no free time; no family time and no culture time. Everything is the shopping mall. Everything flows into the bottomless consumer pit. The air, water and oil that once empowered man's liberty have been exhausted and polluted. The foundations of the Western Tower of Babel are corroding away.....

If negotiations over Jerusalem actually do take place, G-d forbid, and the Jewish Nation officially and finally surrenders its sovereignty over the source of the world's Divine message, the Moslem message to the world will erupt from Zion, flood the Land of Israel in no time and then submerge the entire cultured world.
A Jew wrote that. Moshe Feiglin. Running for Prime Minister of Israel. If you want to save Western Culture, you betta getta hardon for Jewish supremacy in Israel.
.
Bone Head | 10.20.07 - 9:21 pm | #

Let's see some parallels between J. K. Rowling and others.

This is what Wesley Clark said on the bombing of Serbia:

"There is no place in modern Europe for ethnically pure states. That’s a 19th-century idea, and we are trying to transition into the 21st century, and we are going to do it with multi-ethnic states."

"As language is different--so is the soul is different. Even though Asian living in Europe, speaking English, her soul is wired Asian---NOT English"

What if she was born in Italy of confusion Asian parents, who converted to Christianity when she was 3, but was sent a GREAT boarding school that happened to be jewish and happened to marry a man of Bolivian and slavic heritage?

Then what?
Pinotopolis | 10.20.07 - 9:30 pm | #

What if she was born in Italy of confusion Asian parents, who converted to Christianity when she was 3, but was sent a GREAT boarding school that happened to be jewish and happened to marry a man of Bolivian and slavic heritage?

Try to come up with an example that could actually happen outside of Hollywood.

Plus I think it is probably "Confucian". If you wouldn't start drinking so early in the day you could avoid these errors.
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Bone Head | 10.20.07 - 9:35 pm | #

Do you see the connection? Everywhere the Jew goes--he wants to assimilate. In the Weimar, Jews were intermarrying everywhere. The same happened in Spain. The Marranos. The Jews were intermarrying with the Spanish Aristocracy for the sake of power.

The inquisition was about ferreting out these false conversions, these half-bloods.

Gresham's law is that Bad drives out Good! Well, Semitic drives out European. To think European one MUST BE European! To mix Semitic with European is to destroy European thought! Just like the Albanian Muslims sought to drive the original christian indigenious people from Kosovo, Semitic thought also seeks to drive out European thought and destroy it.

It is a Spiritual battle. In order for evil to triumph, it first must destroy the good. Destroy Europe with race-mixing.

Gresham's law is a principle of nature.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 9:41 pm | #

Aardvark, the funny part of that is that my comment is one of the most obvious statements I've ever made, and it's always amusing to see Wheeler miss it under his European racialism!

She is one of those judeochristians.

Well, even most Christians understand that the root of the faith *is* Jewish, but you are the clearest example of a gentile boasting against the branches that I've seen or heard of.

Man, what would you have done post-resurrection when most of the converts *were* Jews!

those that seek death of the West either consciously or unconsciously.

That's beautiful, but let me be strictly transparent with you.

I couldn't care less about Western civilization. Such things are only a distraction from what is most important, and quite frankly, with all the abortions, we're not worth saving. We have lost our moorings. When the foundations are removed, what will the righteous do?

But let me assure you, WLW, that if I had such an overbearing loyalty to any human society or civilization, then I would deserve the woe that is in store in the End. This is not my home, and it shouldn't be yours, either. It's all destined to be destroyed, anyways - one way or the other.

so is the soul is different.

Well, naturally, we are all different. I mean, duh, but I would like to know where you get this strange idea about souls. Since you say you are a Christian, I only want scriptures not your...propaganda *wry grin*

Thank you.

Oh, and about tradition, why not check out what Yahshuah said in the gospels about tradition, and what Paul said about being carried away by philosophies and traditions of men in the epistles.
Crystal Lake | 10.20.07 - 9:49 pm | #

Pintopolis, the crime has already been committed. Can't undo it. What can be undone is stopping this communist ideology of race-mixing. It is stopping the Jewish control over our media. Of segregating Europeans off from what is not European. It is about saving and preserving European civilization, of preserving and creating Christendom.

It says in Scripture, "Man shall cleave to his Like". This is natural. What is UNnatural is race-mixing. Let us start here: "Man shall cleave to his like". Preserving our ethnic solidarity by marrying our own.

And second, just like Socrates predicted, the poest MUST be censored and I wish J. K. Rowling was censored! Her work is communist ideology forget all that rubbish about the occult or Dumbledore is gay bs that is only the fluff. The real menace is the communist ideology that is embedded in it. No wonder then at the destruction of Britain. The British are leaving their cities to immigrants! Isn't that great! Look at the mess of Britain turning Islamic, Pakistani and the original Christian inhabitants are going to be second class citizens to their Moslem overlords because they listened to the Jewish communists that "pure blood" states are evil!

Isn't it great, watching the death of your own civilization and countless dupes that carry it out.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 9:55 pm | #

Makes me sooooo happy I never wasted any money on those stupid books.
Calling it substantive reading, as I've seen in some reviews, is like calling a comic book a "graphic novel"!
Galt-in-Da-Box | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 9:57 pm | #

Destroy Europe with race-mixing.

So, am I incorrect in reading between the lines here that you think the Jewish "soul" is evil?

You are right, in a sense, that if some foreign power wanted to destroy a nation, one way of doing it is by slow infiltration of immigrants.

But "race-mixing"..hmmm..point to me a scripture that states that this is an intrinsic evil, because if it were, I would expect Elohim to make that abundantly clear, as He did when He told the *Jews* not to mix with the unbelieving goyim (and this only because their paganism would impact them or else Ruth and Boaz would never have happened).

And, I would like to know what you think of me. I'm an eighth Armenian, which, if you do not know already, is not strictly of anglo-saxon lineage.

It also impacts King David, since he was of "mixed" race himself.
Crystal Lake | 10.20.07 - 10:00 pm | #

And that is where you are wrong Cyrstal.

Moses saw only the backside of God. He did not see the fullness of God.

It was only the Greeks that did. The Jews rejected Jesus. The Fullness of the faith is Christianity not Judiasm. Judiasm is only a partiality. Christianity is the Fullness of the Faith.

To see this paradigm, I point to a metaphor implanted in nature by God to explicate this paradigm, the Butterfly. The Faith is much like the butterfly. Everything has a beginning. Everything starts out as a Juvenile. A butterfly starts out as a catepillar chewing leaves. That is what Judiasm is. Christianity is the Butterfly licking nectar. The fullness of Grace. We see clearly because we see the totality of the Godhead. Jews only saw the backside.

There is a whale of a difference between Christianity and Judiasm. And this is the importance of preserving Europe. As C. K. Chesterton wrote, "The Faith is Europe". Destroy Europe, the Faith is destroyed as well. So this is the imperative Crystal. You don't understand the Natural Order, you are a heretic being a judeoChristian and so you have a corrupted understanding of Christianity itself, and you don't understand the fullness of Christianity and what it is supposed to be.

Christianity is a Ortho-doxa religion. It must have philosophy in order to operate correctly. It is thru philosophy that orders Theology!!!! This is what you judeochristians/prots miss! And philosophy is derived from the Natural Order. The Natural Order is also Scripture for God Spoke it into being. This Natural Order is what Jews and Prots are completely ignorant of. It is the Greeks that are the "Lovers of Sophia" where we get the word Philo-sophy. And philosophy is derived from the Natural Order.

This is why you CAN'T mix the Semitic with the European!!! This is why I stress seperation from Semitic or Hamatic races. Their influence is dangerous on many levels to Europeans!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 10:08 pm | #

It says in Scripture, "Man shall cleave to his Like".

What scripture, exactly? Educate me.

Preserving our ethnic solidarity by marrying our own.

Who is our own?

Mark 3

And a crowd was sitting around Him. And they said to Him, "See, Your mother and Your brothers are outside seeking You."

And looking about on those sitting round Him, He said, "See My mother and My brothers!

For whoever does the desire of Elohim is My brother and My sister and mother."

Is it true though that Catholics don't believe that Yahshuah has any brothers (in the flesh)?
Crystal Lake | 10.20.07 - 10:10 pm | #

Sorry about the messed up bold text above.
Crystal Lake | 10.20.07 - 10:10 pm | #

Mr. Wheeler, What you describe about the Jews is nothing less of genius. What you atrribute to evil on the part of the Jews is actually their intellectual superiority to the europeans and perhaps to the americans. Us zionists know this and welcome our Jewish friends like Paul, and Mathew, Peter and John..etc. Not to mention My Good friend (and I worship this guy) Yeshua.

What's that? You hate Jews? Well, I wouldn't hate them too much if I were you. Replacement Theology(which you seem to love) is a heresy, and it is down right wrong. If you want to hate the Jews, then be man enough to say you follow Lucifer's teachings and wish to rid the world of the Jews. Of course people really would see that you are merely conmsumed with hatred of God, and not a political rival to the Jews.

Well, WLW.. If you are not insane, then you're idiot, if not, you just hate God.


BTW.. The first Christians were Jews, do you hear that JEWS!!!, The european Christianity didn't come until many years later.. about 300-400 (constatine i believ), So you saying Christianity belongs to the europeans is just down right stupidity.

If you want to hate the Jews, be my guest, but quit dragging Christ into it. He doesn't hate the Jews, he is their Messiah after all.
Starbuck | 10.20.07 - 10:10 pm | #

Moses saw only the backside of God. He did not see the fullness of God.

It was only the Greeks that did.

Whoah!!
Crystal Lake | 10.20.07 - 10:11 pm | #

Thats just wrong and sick.. and just wrong.
Starbuck | 10.20.07 - 10:13 pm | #

Roman Catholicism, which is a creation of European thought, is built NOT on Sola Scriptura but on Holy Tradition And Scripture. WLW

Not to sound...errrrm, Jewish , but, where precisely does the Authority for this glorious Holy Tradition's golden influence come from?

Seems this Jewish chappie named Yeshua...sorry, JESUS, had some pretty tart things to say about the traditions of men.
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 10:15 pm | #

The Jews rejected Jesus. The Fullness of the faith is Christianity not Judiasm. Judiasm is only a partiality. Christianity is the Fullness of the Faith.

Yahshuah is a Jew; not all the Jews rejected Him, and it is through them that we are blessed, through them that we have the covenants, the promises, and even the Word. And it is prophesied that most will return to Him.

Without a Jewish foundation for the faith, our faith is lost. Christianity's "fullness" is only understood within the backdrop of a Jewish culture and mindset. That is why we have the book of Hebrews.

More scripture:

Romans 3

What then is the advantage of the Jew, or what is the value of circumcision?

Much in every way! Because firstly indeed, that they were entrusted with the Words of Elohim

For what if some did not believe?...

[emphasis mine]

Some..read that, WLW, some.

All of man..not just Jews..are subject to the sin nature. And so *some* of all people groups will not believe.

Deal.
Crystal Lake | 10.20.07 - 10:18 pm | #

This is what reading the Illiad of the Greeks teaches. The Illiad is about War.

What is Homer teaching? The Trojan War as seen by the Greeks was a result of a war on Mt. Olympus. The physical war was a manifestation of the Metaphysical war!

To think Metaphysically is a Greek phenomena. The physical characteristics of the different major races are signs of the Metaphysical differences!!! Can you not see it.

And the devil who is fighting a metaphysical war with God must fight and destroy the PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION of the Good which is Europe! It is European Man that is in danger because it is European Man that created Christianity. Destroy European Man and You destroy Christianity---it is that simple!

This is Communist Ideology! When Karl Marx ended his manifesto with "All the workers of the world unite", he is declaring war on Europe! Communism with its race-mixing ideology is about destroying Europe!

The first in this program was about destroying the Monarchies of Europe.

Once the monarchies were out of the way, (principle: Nature abhors a vacuum), led the way for ideologues to control and dictate and lead Europe to its death!

Christianity is about saving souls---IN THIS LIFE and so Christians MUST care about the Natural Order! For the next generation also needs to be saved. Without the preserving of European man, there is no preserving of True Apostolic Christianity necessary for the salvation of souls!!!!!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 10:18 pm | #

It says in Scripture, "Man shall cleave to his Like"
WLW

I busted my ass trying to find this in scripture and I can't. Please supply the reference.
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Bone Head | 10.20.07 - 10:19 pm | #

To see this paradigm, I point to a metaphor implanted in nature by God to explicate this paradigm, the Butterfly.

How do you know that Elohim put that in nature to point *this* out? Perhaps, you are misinterpreting things, as you seem to always do.

There is a whale of a difference between Christianity and Judiasm.

Yes, there is a big difference between Christianity and Rabbinical Judaism. *yawn*

As C. K. Chesterton wrote, "The Faith is Europe". Destroy Europe, the Faith is destroyed as well.

Perhaps, and I'm not too acquainted with Chesterton so somebody else can correct me if I'm wrong, perhaps um..Chesterton meant that once Europe loses its Christian foundation, it loses its identity.

Pretty much, the opposite of what you mean.
Crystal Lake | 10.20.07 - 10:24 pm | #

This is what it's all about folks: Crystal Lake's:

"I couldn't care less about Western civilization."

I busted my ass trying to find this in scripture and I can't. Please supply the reference.

Silly Bone Head, you should already know that Wheeler never cites chapter and verse--because there is no scriptural justification for his Greekophilia!
Josh | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 10:28 pm | #

Bone Head, One must use the Christian Bible--The Septuagint, the LXX.

Here are the quotes:

""Every beast loveth his like, and every man loveth his neighbor. All flesh consorteth according to kind, and a man will cleave to his like. What fellowship hath the wolf with the lamb: so the sinner with the godly.

""And all men are from the ground, and Adam was created of earth. In much knowledge the Lord hath divided them, and made their ways diverse. Some of them hath he blessed and exalted, and some of them hath he sanctified, and set near himself; but some of them hath he cursed and brought low, and turned out of their places. As the clay is in the potter's hand, to fashion it at his pleasure: so man is in the hand of him that made him, to render to them as liketh him best. Good is set against evil, and life against death: so is the godly against the sinner, and the sinner against the godly. So look upon all the works of the most High; and there are two and two, one against another."

"I busted my ass trying to find this in scripture and I can't. Please supply the reference."

It's not in the Bible, it's in the Apocrypha:

The Book of Sirach (Ecclesiasticus), Chapter 13, v.19-20

"Every beast loveth its like: so also every man him that is nearest to himself. All flesh shall consort with the like to itself, and every man shall associate himself to his like."
m.x. | 10.20.07 - 10:32 pm | #

Thanks for clearing that up, WLW.
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Bone Head | 10.20.07 - 10:33 pm | #

Because Josh, Jesus said,

Matthew, Ch. 21
“Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it."

you are a heretic being a judeoChristian

You don't know how happy it makes me feel that *you* have said that. haha

and so you have a corrupted understanding of Christianity itself,

Oh, please, you would have me believe that Yahshuah, Paul, Kepha (Peter), Matthew, etc all had European mindsets or something. Meanwhile, you reference a pre-Christian Greek philosopher like Aristotle to back yourself up.
Crystal Lake | 10.20.07 - 10:35 pm | #

The Septuagint is the Christian bible. The Greek speakers of Christianity turned to the Septuagint. Apostolic Orthodox Christianity uses the Septuagint.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 10:37 pm | #

Crystal. My dear child, and you are a child, really don't know anything do you?

do we name things after their childlike appearance or their adult appearance? We don't name trees by their seeds but seeds by their adult name. A seed is named an Oak seed for its adult stage is an Oak tree.

The same goes for Christianity. Christianity is the adult stage of the Kingdom of God. The Butterfly undergoes three stages; its larvae stage called the catepillar, its transformation stage called the cocoon, and then the beautifull and colorful adult stage the butterfly. Jesus and the apostles are the cocoon stage, the transformation stage.

The cocoon stage was from Jesus to the Edict of Milan when Christianity becomes fully Europeanized.

Why should we turn back like Lot's wife? Judiasm has been burned up. Jerusalem destroyed by the Roman legions---It is no more.

The faith has been transformed and transferred to a NEW Nation--that of the Greeks and the Indo-Europeans.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 10:43 pm | #

The so-called Apocryphya are really the Greek influenced, Greek writers of sacred literature.

If my memory is correct, the "scriptures" that were rejected were authored by men who did not know Jesus or the apostles, so they lacked authority.

It must have philosophy in order to operate correctly. It is thru philosophy that orders Theology!!!!

Sha'ul (Paul - sorry) wrote:

"See to it that no one makes a prey of you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary matters of the world, and not according to Messiah. Because in Him dwells all the completeness of the Mightiness bodily, and you have been made complete in Him, who is the Head of all principality and authority."
Crystal Lake | 10.20.07 - 10:44 pm | #

you are a heretic being a judeoChristian

And you are a heretic for ignoring and even demonizing Christianity's Judaic roots. You are merely playing Marcion to Crystal's Ebionism. But both Marcion and the Ebionites were judged as heretics by the Church fathers.
Larry | 10.20.07 - 10:49 pm | #

As the Jews killed the physical Jesus, they also seek to kill the Metaphysical Jesus, the Church.

Leave it to WLW to confuse Western Civilization with the Body of Messiah. I mean..wow.

This is what Judeo-Christianity is all about! Destroying Western civilization!

I would hate to deprive you of your glorious exultation, but I said that I didn't care, not that I sought to destroy Western civilization.
Crystal Lake | 10.20.07 - 10:49 pm | #

If my memory is correct, the "scriptures" that were rejected were authored by men who did not know Jesus or the apostles, so they lacked authority.

Actually, the apocrypha are Jewish writings, most from the inter-testamental period. Maccabbees, Sirach, Ecclesiasticus, and so on. How this helps WLW's contention that Christianity is not Jewish in its roots, I do not know.
Larry | 10.20.07 - 10:52 pm | #

Here is another metaphor. Bacteria can not grow without a medium. The medium is necessary.

In a lab, a scientist puts a medim in a petri dish. Then, the scientist injects the medium with a bacteria. If the medium is congenial, the bacteria grows and grows well.

Christianity is a bacteria! But this bacteria called Christianity needs a Medium. The Medium of Christianity is Europe! Destroy the medium and one destroys the bacteria!

Western Culture and Western civilization is the medium necessary for Christianity!!!! Only by studying the Natural Order can one see how reality works. Christianity can not survive in a Jewish medium! It is only in a Greek/European medium that Christianity can survive in. This is the importance of the Spanish Inquisition. This is the importance of segregation which is all important for Europeans and this is why the heresy of judeochristianity must be combatted strenously.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 10:52 pm | #

It is European Man that is in danger because it is European Man that created Christianity.-WLW

Since when did european man create Christianity ? Have you lost your sollective mind? Did you even read the Bible? Or was did you reject only what the Jews wrote?

WLW, Jesus was a Jew.

Jesus created Christianity, not the europukes.

Christianity means to follow Christ.
WLW, are you a Christian or a catholic worshipper? I have met your kind before.

Have you even read what Jesus said? Did I mention that Jesus is a Jew? He is the King of the Jews. He will reign as King of the Jews as well as King of the millenium world.
Starbuck | 10.20.07 - 10:53 pm | #

And St. Paul also said, "What does Nature teach..."

Please see the book, "Plato's Gift to Christianity".
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 10:54 pm | #

The faith of Christ is not merely about "saving souls" (I defy you to give me chapter and verse). It is about submitting to and spreading the Kingdom of God (the Government of God). Salvation is a happy side effect, as we can't enjoy fellowship with our King without it!

YOU must submit to the King, not to political posing and ideological idiocy.

EVERY knee shall bow... Jesus is Lord, and I hear NOTHING of Christ in the cant that you spout, Wheeler.
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 10:55 pm | #

You know the judeochristians know nothing about Christianity. This is the danger of these philosemites in Christianity and jewish influence in Christianity!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 10:55 pm | #

Western Culture and Western civilization is the medium necessary for Christianity!!!! Only by studying the Natural Order can one see how reality works. Christianity can not survive in a Jewish medium! It is only in a Greek/European medium that Christianity can survive in. This is the importance of the Spanish Inquisition. This is the importance of segregation which is all important for Europeans and this is why the heresy of judeochristianity must be combatted strenously.
WLindsayWheeler

Funny, Christianity is surviving quite well in India and China. And they are being persecuted. God does not need Europe. Christianity does not need Europe to grow and to spread.

Why do you put God in a box? When did Europe rule over God?
Starbuck | 10.20.07 - 10:55 pm | #

The Trojan War as seen by the Greeks was a result of a war on Mt. Olympus. The physical war was a manifestation of the Metaphysical war!

To think Metaphysically is a Greek phenomena.

So, Daniel was a Greek?
Crystal Lake | 10.20.07 - 10:56 pm | #

You know the judeochristians know nothing about Christianity. This is the danger of these philosemites in Christianity and jewish influence in Christianity!
WLindsayWheeler

WLW... did you eat paint chips as a kid?
Starbuck | 10.20.07 - 10:57 pm | #

Starbuck, it's called "wall candy".
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 10:58 pm | #

I guess so there Mr. Aardvark..
Starbuck | 10.20.07 - 10:59 pm | #

K, Larry. Thanks for the correction. I thought that WLW meant the New Testament apocrypha, although I suppose "Ecclesiasticus" should have been a big clue, huh? *s*
Crystal Lake | 10.20.07 - 11:00 pm | #

Boy, you philo jews know nothing.

First, the god-man Jesus. Jesus is both FULLY God and Fully Man. That is NOT a Jewish concept. This is why the Jews rejected Jesus because Jesus is incomprehensible to Jews. They never had the concept of a God-man.

But in the Greek literature and mythology, there are many instances of God/man mixtures; i.e. Achilles and Hercules are products of gods laying with human females.

The doctrine of Jesus Christ and its defense is ONLY by Europeans!!! of the Greeks!

Second, the concept of the Trinity. The trinity is soley a product of Christianity---It is NOT Jewish! The Jews did not think this up! God in Three Persons? NOT a Jewish concept.

This is a Greek/European concept. Europeans think in Trifunctionality. Trifunctionality is intrinsic to european thought. The Concept, the theology and its defense is only by Europeans! It is NOT Jewish.

Third. Ever see Jewish thinking the in the Talmud. There is a problem. The Jewish answer is a myraid of possiblities some of them even contradictory.

NOT SO in Christianity. It is Only One answer to a problem! This is NOT Jewish thought but European.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 11:01 pm | #

I dunno, I'd rather think spiritually than metaphysically.
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 11:02 pm | #

Christianity is totally a European religion! The kingdom of God was TAKEN AWAY FROM THE JEWS and given to the Europeans!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 11:02 pm | #

Without the preserving of European man, there is no preserving of True Apostolic Christianity necessary for the salvation of souls!!!!!

Gosh, how about trying to trust Elohim? Huh? Or how about actually believing "that if you confess with your mouth the Master Yahshuah and believe in your heart that Elohim has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved."

That is all that is necessary for salvation. Perfect theology or perfect understanding is not required.
Crystal Lake | 10.20.07 - 11:05 pm | #

No, Wheeler, the "Trinity" (the Godhead) is NOT a "product of Christianity".

It is the revelation of the nature of the covenant God, who went to cosmic extremes to be reconciled with His rebellious creation.
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 11:07 pm | #

Christianity is totally a European religion! The kingdom of God was TAKEN AWAY FROM THE JEWS and given to the Europeans!
WLindsayWheeler

There is that repalcement theology again. That is a heresy.

Jesus being part of the Trinity of God, God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit was taught by Paul.

The Aposltes knew Jesus was God and Man. And the Apostles were Jews. Are you telling me the Aposltes rejected Jesus because they were Jews? Or that God took it away from them?

WLW, God blessed all the nations through the Jewish nation called Israel. I didn't see anything about Europe being a blessing.
Starbuck | 10.20.07 - 11:08 pm | #

But in the Greek literature and mythology, there are many instances of God/man mixtures; i.e. Achilles and Hercules are products of gods laying with human females.

Greek demi-gods are nothing at all like the incarnation. In fact it was the incarnation, that God would come to Earth as a man, actually a man and not just in the appearance of man that was one of the stumbling blocks to Christianity being accepted to Europeans. Jews didn't have a real easy time with the concept either, for different reasons. To compare the Holy Spirit coming over Mary to Zeus bedding human women is simply blasphemy. There is no comparison.

Second, the concept of the Trinity. The trinity is soley a product of Christianity---It is NOT Jewish! The Jews did not think this up! God in Three Persons? NOT a Jewish concept.

I'm sure Paul and the other, Jewish, writers of the New Testament will be glad to hear this. In any event, two of the biggest influences in early Trinitarian thought were Athanasius and Augustine, both Africans.

It is Only One answer to a problem! This is NOT Jewish thought but European.

If true, this is hardly a strength.
Larry | 10.20.07 - 11:09 pm | #

WLW, did you read Revelations? Israel is a country that God protects. Europe tries to destroy Israel (along with the whole world. And loses. God comes a fights for the survival of Israel, not Europe. Europe is a cesspool in Gods eyes.
Starbuck | 10.20.07 - 11:10 pm | #

Hey Crystal, dja get my email?
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 11:12 pm | #

Actually, Larry - WLW is sounding a lot like Justin Martyr. He dabbled in Greek philosophy, and that obviously influenced his writings, including the borderline anti-semitic portions of it. He was allied firmly with Rome, and used the same logic as WLW in reference to the destruction of Jerusalem.
Crystal Lake | 10.20.07 - 11:12 pm | #

"What does Nature teach" Crystal? You don't have a clue do you! None of you do! This is another thing different between Jews and Christianity.

Christendom is formed by the bible AND BY THE NATURAL LAW. Much of European thought is garnered around the Natural Law!

The Natural Law is NOT of Jewish concept, or mentality--it is totally Greek and throughout Europe! This is the formation of Christendom, Holy Tradition, the Bible (divine revelation) and the Natural Law. All these come together to form Christendom!

Two of these pillars of Christendom, Holy Tradition and the Natural Law are all rejected by Protestants and by Philosemites and by the Jews! This is why these people are dangerous to Western culture and Western civilization!

________________

Also notice that Crystal and the others here said about Western civilization:

"I couldn't care less about Western civilization."

oh, sorry, Aardvark. Haven't got there yet. I meant to look up a recipe, and then got a little carried away here. I'll check it out now.
Crystal Lake | 10.20.07 - 11:13 pm | #

Wheeler,
Take the happy pills and go back to the padded cell, before I page the orderlies!
I can't believe the rest of you are still trying to reason with this headcase.
Galt-in-Da-Box | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 11:13 pm | #

I've got it down, Starbucks, Larry, Crystal, Bonehead, Aardvark, more concern over Israel than Europe.

Europe is to be destroyed. That is what taught. This is the message of Wesley Clark, the neo-cons, White liberals, commies and the Jews and their compatriots in Christian zionism, oh I mean Christians for Jewish Lebensraum.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 11:16 pm | #

Christianity is a bacteria!

That comparison literally made me laugh out loud. I'm not able to articulate why at the moment.
Crystal Lake | 10.20.07 - 11:18 pm | #

Larry--they ALL CARE MIGHTLY ABOUT Israel

Please don't tell me what I care about, trust me, you don't have clue. Just for the record, I attach no theological significance to Israel, but neither do I wish it any harm. I am not a "Christian Zionist.

Well, Crystal, Bonehead, Larry, you can't serve two masters.

You might think about that a little bit. The church and Christianity are not the same thing as Europe or any race of people.
Larry | 10.20.07 - 11:18 pm | #

WLW, you have SO ducked the question: Where is the AUTHORITY for your tradition? Is God so impotent, and His inspired Word so worthless, that you must invite pagan idol worshipers and homosexuals to inform your faith?
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 11:19 pm | #

Galt, I'm not reasoning with him. I'm laughing at him. I seriously wish I could get as much amusement out of Pino.
Crystal Lake | 10.20.07 - 11:20 pm | #

The Church Aardvark The Church! Jesus set up the Church! Jesus did NOT set up the Bible!

St. Paul said, The Church is pillar of Truth.

The Authority is the Church resting in the apostolic succession of the Bishops!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 11:23 pm | #

You can't serve Israel and Europe. It is either-or. These philosemites, these judeo-christians have MORE loyalty to Israel than they do to Europe their mother.
WLindsayWheeler

I serve neither Europe nor Israel, I serve Jesus. And if he wants me to stand with Israel, then I shall stand with Israel.

Larry puts no Theological significance to Israel. Thats ok, he doesn't try to destroy them either.
I on the other hand do put a large amount of theological significance on the mere existence on Israel.

I don't wish the arrogant, Jew hating, homosexual loving, "please kill us you muslims we let in here by the millions" Europe any harm, she will do that to herself very easily.

Europe is a sickening contenint.. in a natural sense. America is not far behind Europe. I wouldn't go to europe ever.
Starbuck | 10.20.07 - 11:29 pm | #

Wheeler, I have no dog in the Israel hunt.
It is a secular state, period. No Temple, no sacrifices. When the majority in Israel rejected Messiah, he gave 'em a generation. (read Matthew 24). AD 70 was everybody out of the pool time. for the NATION.

OTOH, Every Jew and Gentile is my brother, in Adam.

Every Jew, and every Gentile, who obeys Jesus Christ, Yeshua ha Maschiach (feel free to correct) is my brother in Christ.

I like the plucky little nation, nonetheless, and I'm sure they will all sleep better for my having said that.
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 11:29 pm | #

The Authority is the Church resting in the apostolic succession of the Bishops!
WLindsayWheeler


Chapter and verse, Sonny-Jim. Sorry, your opinion ain't good enough.
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 11:31 pm | #

Hey Starbuck...the FOOD is good over there.
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 11:32 pm | #

The food is good here too
Starbuck | 10.20.07 - 11:32 pm | #

We have food recipies from all over the world.
Starbuck | 10.20.07 - 11:32 pm | #

You know the judeochristians know nothing about Christianity.

I'm not sure I want to know anything about your kind of Christianity.

But in the Greek literature and mythology, there are many instances of God/man mixtures; i.e. Achilles and Hercules are products of gods laying with human females.

if you want to be strict with this thing, these "god-man" mixtures sounds more like the Nephilim to me.
Crystal Lake | 10.20.07 - 11:32 pm | #

I bow to your relentless logic, Starbuck!
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 11:33 pm | #

Holy Tradition and the Natural Law are all rejected by Protestants and by Philosemites and by the Jews!

Shall I quote that scripture again? About being led astray by philosophy and vain deceit, and traditions of men, according to the elementary matters of the world?
Crystal Lake | 10.20.07 - 11:35 pm | #

I bow to your relentless logic, Starbuck!
The Aardvark

I gave up on logic when I became a father. I know there are so many ways to twist logic, that I gave up trying to use logic. Now I just try to make sense to myself. Usually doesn't work with other people though!
Starbuck | 10.20.07 - 11:37 pm | #

And what is with all the gay stuff.
Why are people applauding a sin? I don't hear people applauding murder, or stealing, or child abuse..

This is getting sickening.

(Hey Mr Aa, is my logic gettin worse yet?)
Starbuck | 10.20.07 - 11:40 pm | #

Sorry guy. I'm not a Protestantite, nor a Philosemoid.

By God's grace, I'm a Christian. Period.
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 11:41 pm | #

Sorry guy. I'm not a Protestantite

That's a very Protestant thing to say.
Larry | 10.20.07 - 11:42 pm | #

No, Starbuck, you're just being a hater.

Stiffnecked.

Insensitive.

Prejudiced.

Besides, I stick corn in my ears.
It's an alternate eating style.

Naaaah, I think you ask a valid question.
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 11:45 pm | #

Larry, I protest.
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 11:46 pm | #

But say something about Israel and all hell breaks loose.

Israel? The nation is secular. Right now, they are actively trying to carve up the land in violation of the Torah. No, I would have no problem with you speaking against the state.

Their loyalty and concern is Israel Israel Israel.

My loyalty does not belong with any specific nation-state or ethnicity.

You can't serve Israel and Europe. It is either-or.

How about neither?

Or how about this doozy that will drive you really nuts, WLW, and will answer almost literally everything you have written here in this thread.

What if I say that I'm already a part of the spiritual Yisrael?

Let's look at the book of Ephesians:

..remember that you, once gentiles in the flesh, who are called 'the uncircumcision' by what is called 'the circumcision' made in the flesh by hands, that at that time you were without Messiah, excluded from the citizenship of Yisra'el and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no expectation and without Elohim in the world.
But now in Messiah Yahshuah you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Messiah.
For He is our peace, who has made both one, and having broken down the partition of the barrier,
having abolished the enmity - the Torah of the commands in dogma - so as to create in Himself one renewed man from the two thus making peace,
and to completely restore to favour both of them unto Elohim in one body through the stake, having destroyed the enmity by it....

So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens in the set-apart ones and members of the household of Elohim,

having been built upon the foundation of the emissaries and prophets, Yahshuah Messiah Himself being the chief cornerstone..
Crystal Lake | 10.20.07 - 11:50 pm | #

Roxor, CL.
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.20.07 - 11:53 pm | #

I wouldn't go to europe ever.

I wouldn't go there either..except for some of the old archaeological sites in Greece and Italy. The remnants of the old Greek civilization that WLW so adores is a fascinating thing to me.

"Heidi" was one of my favourite stories when I was a child..and since then I wanted to see some mountains, but I can go to the Rockies for that instead. It'd be a cheaper trip, anyways!
Crystal Lake | 10.21.07 - 12:01 am | #

Starbuck...I forgot the winky-smiley thingie.
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 12:02 am | #

Oh watch out for the scary, scary gays!
Ellis | 10.21.07 - 12:32 am | #

I figured that out when Dumbledore asked Harry if he liked gladiator movies.

Yah, elderly, umarried - takes an unusual interest in young boys like Tom Riddle and Harry Potter.

Signs were there.

Though I think Rowling is having a bit of fun with her critics as the main goal.....damn good tweak at that, to certain religious zealots, that wanted her books banned...

Doesn't even have to get into Hagrid and beastiality....

**************

I think it is something wonderful that this whole marvelously intricate fictional world was created, and incredible financial success came, to a lower middle class person who went from being on the dole in 1990 to the richest woman in Britain, including the Queen, by 2006.
(I have 3 degrees of separation. My doctor ran into her in a pub writing away in 1990. The 'keep told him that "Joan" was serious, writing thousands of pages each year on some C S Lewis or Tolkien-type magical stuff, and used the pub because it was warm when she couldn't swing affording to heat her place. Doc and his wife found her interesting, and chatted with her a few minutes on being a writer after mentioning both of them had written children's books on medical and health matters - and she gave them a look at a page of her stuff and a few "touristy" things to look up if they were interested. Mid-90s he went back on vacation to the Midlands and Scotland. Stopped in the pub and looked for Joan again. The 'keep pointed to two Harry Potter Books propped center bar and said "Joan isn't here and she can afford her own heated flat now, and then some". Doc still didn't get it. Then it wasn't well known in the USA that the "J" in JK Rowling was for Joan Rowling. "And there I was having bought the darn books for nephews...no idea she would have ever gotten such success, but she led the American dream...just elsewhere.)

And the wealth will not stop with her last book. She has spinoff products and licensing that could generate new Harry Potter product from other writers. Tremendous impact. 175 country sales, 300 million distinct readers.

I've read 4 of the books. They are very good. My only disappointments are the Order of the Phoenix was too long and they would have been twice as pleasurable to read as a kid...

I saw Emma Watson on Conan O'Brien last week. Charming young woman. 17, worth over 25 million. No "LA Party Girl" - enjoys school and is thinking of a career other than acting. Took 8 Firsts in her exams (A+), "A"s in the other two. Oxford or the Sorbonne (more like Hermione)...but she decided to defer to commit to two more Harry Potter films, plus a ballet film. Becoming a serious looker.

Like Rowling, the world's her oyster...
cedarford | 10.21.07 - 12:57 am | #

But you can't deny the criticism can be made. (Pinotopolis)

He didn't. He just pointed out that "no one has any relevant basis for criticizing my views" (MM). Do you disagree?
Shild |

That was far too easy, wasn't it Shild?

Pinto's either being shifty or just plain vapid. I don't care to know which is correct. He'll just spout out more nonsense to "prove" his point.
Michael Maier | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 2:02 am | #

Just thinking how a fairy with magical powers would work in a kid's book....
cedarford | 10.21.07 - 3:14 am | #

Moat of this thread is wasted jousting with WHeeler. Pity.
n5 | 10.21.07 - 6:48 am | #

FYU

At the Values Voter Summit
the real on site vote went this way

Romney claiming 1,595 votes and Huckabee 1,565. However, among votes cast on-site at the Values Voter Summit, Huckabee, the clear favorite in a hall full of conservative voters, claimed more than half of the total ballots.
fg | 10.21.07 - 6:58 am | #

"What is extremism?

You want to know what extremism is? Well, I’ll tell you. Extremism is organized Jewry literally lecturing the rest of the world on the joys of diversity and multiculturalism, which as Dr. Tom Sunic has pointed out is a misnomer. What the Jews want for Gentile nations is multiracialism. They want populations which are as heterogeneous as possible, thus making them easier to control from the top by Zionist Jews. Foxman in one of his usual chutzpah-laden rants literally had the nerve, the gall to chastise contemporary Germans on the hazards of xenophobia and welcomed the more open „liberal“ immigration policies which were being pushed, of course, by organized Jews to dilute the native German population. Eva Herman lost her television job and was called a Nazi for simply suggesting that perhaps German women should have more children. The Jewish extremists have done the same in America, in England, in Canada, in France and in every other nation where they have gotten a foothold. They dare, DARE, to lecture us, demanding that we swing our gates open wide to the world. To even oppose ILLEGAL immigration is a moral crime in the eyes of the Jewsmedia.

Extremism is organized Jewry literally lecturing the rest of the world on the joys of diversity and multiculturalism, which as Dr. Tom Sunic has pointed out is a misnomer. What the Jews want for Gentile nations is multiracialism. They want populations which are as heterogeneous as possible, thus making them easier to control from the top by Zionist Jews.

Back to Dumbledore....

He was dying from a curse anyway, and at least he's DEAD.
Anonymous | 10.21.07 - 9:19 am | #

I thought greeks were just jews without money?

I'm so confused.
The Village Idiot;Ret. | 10.21.07 - 9:50 am | #

"And J. K. Rowling and Wesley Clark, both Europeans are agents of communist ideology--it is everywhere, in children's books, in academia, at the Pentagon, in the media, ---everywhere!
WLindsayWheeler"

Are there meetings that we can attend and do they serve Matzah balls? And is there penalty of any sort you don't like Matzah balls? Can you still be a member fo the conspiracy? What about circumcision? Can you be disqualified from membership if you've not been circumcized?
Pinotopolis | 10.21.07 - 9:56 am | #

I am very happy -sincerely- for J.K. Rowling's huge success ("the American Dream, just elsewhere", indeed!).

Personally, I have been unable to read the books. I tried with the first, but like reading Clancy, her books, by sheer volume, are not a hobby; they are a commitment. I was not put off by oooooooooh, scary magic, just a sufeit of verbiage.

I daresay that she would never have made a pronouncement like "Dumbledore is gay" back in '90, regardless of author's intent. Now, she is secure behind her wall of money and celebrity, and can say what she wishes. "More money than sense" comes to mind.

From what I hear re: the future movies, one screenwriter had the idea that Dumbledore had a sad, sad love story in his past. Rowling lined through it and pencilled in "Dumbledore is gay", so the whole thing may be merely an end-run around Hollywood hackery, to retain Rowling's vision.

As my kids have not gone a-searching for the halls of Hogwarts to become wizards after reading the books, neither do I expect droves of chilluns to suddenly begin lisping and enrolling in cosmetology school after the Dumbledore revelation. (Sounds like a Ludlum novel: The Dumbledore Revelation. Hmmmmm....)

I think I'll break out the 'ol Underwood.
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 10:01 am | #

"But you can't deny the criticism can be made. (Pinotopolis)

He didn't. He just pointed out that "no one has any relevant basis for criticizing my views" (MM). Do you disagree?
Shild"

The relevant basis for an individual criticizing any other individual's views would be merely a different view.
Pinotopolis | 10.21.07 - 10:02 am | #

Pinotopolis, you want to go out for a little gnosh, maybe?

Matzoh balls.......riot!
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 10:03 am | #

You know they make those matzahs from the blood of atheist children......
.
Bone Head | 10.21.07 - 10:07 am | #

"You know they make those matzahs from the blood of atheist children......
.
Bone Head "

You don't have your information correct. The authentic Matzah Balls are made from the blod of INFANT atheist children. My understanding is that by using this recipe you get a much lighter texture t the Ball....GEEZ! Everyone knows this, Bonehead.

In fact, didn't Wesley Clark publish the "1-2-3 Quick Meals Using The Blood of Athiest Infants"?
Pinotopolis | 10.21.07 - 10:11 am | #

The relevant basis for an individual criticizing any other individual's views would be merely a different view. (Pinotopolis)

Ah, but your view is not relevant to MM's life; that is precisely the point.

You see, you are not actually capable of "criticizing" anyone's moral outlook. All you can do is say, "Your values are different from mine."

To "criticize" would require you to believe that one set of values is somehow superior to another, which would require an objective standard, in which you don't believe.

All you can do is point out the fact that your values and someone else's differ. This is a pointless statement of the obvious at best. It's only natural that people have different values, so why should your values affect anyone elses' lives (barring close friends and family, of course)?
Shild | 10.21.07 - 10:34 am | #

"did you read Revelations?" - starbuck

you mean like this?:

Rev 2:9 "i know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan"

Rev 3:9 "i will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie..."

and let's not forget, "you are of your father, the devil.." from the gospels.

Who was he talking to and why? what might be the "traditions of men" that Jesus accused the Pharisees, Saducees, and Rabbis of following? Babylon? was Rome going to put Jesus to death? where did most "modern" "jews" come from? are they all direct decendents of abraham?
a majority of them? i'm just saying there are more questions than answers.

Suffice it to say that the "father of lies" has to be the ultimate counterfeit artist. It must look very much like the real thing - but not be.
bw | 10.21.07 - 10:48 am | #

Give em hell, shild...it's as obvious as it can be - the New Age religious dogmatic zealots seek to institute their non-objective reality over yours, by force of course, and call it "peace, love, harmony, and unity".

I call Bullshit. Tyrants.
bw | 10.21.07 - 10:52 am | #

Dr. Henry Mankow has brought up an old article of his on diversity:

We are all affected by "Diversity" but few understand its true nature.

Warning: It isn't pretty.

"Diversity" is a massive long-term behavior modification program that uses minorities to disinherit the majority.

In English, "Diversity" means acknowledging different races, religions and "sexual orientations."

In New World Order doublespeak, "Diversity" is a devious way to dilute and discriminate against the white, heterosexual Christian majority in Europe, Canada and the US.

"Let me remind you: the term "politically correct" originated in the Communist Party of the USSR in the 1920's. It is not a coincidence that the term is part of our lexicon today. The same bankers who controlled the USSR then, secretly control the USA, Canada and Europe today.

It's Makow, Mr. Wheeler, and found at savethemales.ca
bw | 10.21.07 - 10:59 am | #

This is what the Zionist Federation of Germany wrote c. 1932:

"Our acknowledgment of Jewish nationality provides for a clear and sincere relationship to the German people and its national and racial realities. Precisely because we do not wish to falsify these fundamentals, because we, too, are against mixed marriage and are for maintaining the purity of the Jewish group and reject any trespasses in the cultural domain, we -- having been brought up in the German language and German culture -- can show an interest in the works and values of German culture with admiration and internal sympathy ..."

Let's out more material from "Zionism and the Third Reich":

Zionist leaders in other countries echoed these views. Stephen S. Wise, president of the American Jewish Congress and the World Jewish Congress, told a New York rally in June 1938: "I am not an American citizen of the Jewish faith, I am a Jew... Hitler was right in one thing. He calls the Jewish people a race and we are a race." 17

"The relevant basis for an individual criticizing any other individual's views would be merely a different view. (Pinotopolis)

Ah, but your view is not relevant to MM's life; that is precisely the point.

You see, you are not actually capable of "criticizing" anyone's moral outlook. All you can do is say, "Your values are different from mine.""

If my morals are different than MM's then we can assume my values are probably too. But what you seem to be suggesting is that one can only criticize or judge another person's morals if the world view is the same. That's simply silly. For example, you might want to judge my morals and the actions that flow from them if I tell you I support abortion. What precludes you from doing this? I don't see anything.

The fact that I acknowledge that morals are relative does not preclude me from concluding that my or your values and morals are better than another persons. I'm merely saying saying, when I point out that morals are relative, that there is no absolute right or wrong. I'm not saying that some are not better than others.





"To "criticize" would require you to believe that one set of values is somehow superior to another, which would require an objective standard, in which you don't believe."

No, it does not require an objective standard. It only requires a favored standard. For example, there is not perfect golf swing. However, I could argue that a particular type of Golf swing would be better for a particular person and criticize or judge them for not utilizing it.




"All you can do is point out the fact that your values and someone else's differ. This is a pointless statement of the obvious at best. It's only natural that people have different values, so why should your values affect anyone elses' lives (barring close friends and family, of course)?
Shild"

I'm not suggesting that my values ought or should or can necessarily affect anyone else's life. They might. But they don't necessarily have to.
Pinotopolis | 10.21.07 - 12:05 pm | #

I don't agree that in order to be good and moral Christians, we should diaapprove of interracial marriage -- but I share Mr Wheeler's concern over the destruction of Old Europe and a significant part of his theology.

I would like to point out that the 'traditions of men' which Jesus condemned were Rabbinic, i.e. Jewish, traditions.

As for St. Paul, he was condemning false philosophy (I think (proto-)Gnostic). He was not condemning philosophy entirely, because every man engages in philosophy naturally (reasoned thought, forming a worldview), and that is not a sin.

I agree with Mr Wheeler's opponents that he is conspicuously silent about Christ, the Jew (Hellenized or not) whom we should all worship.

And I also find it odd that Mr Wheeler would have disapproved of his daughter marrying one of the Apostles. :D (If they'd still be alive, of course. I'm not talking about necrophilia here.)
Turgonian | 10.21.07 - 12:09 pm | #

The fact that I acknowledge that morals are relative does not preclude me from concluding that my or your values and morals are better than another persons. I'm merely saying saying, when I point out that morals are relative, that there is no absolute right or wrong. I'm not saying that some are not better than others.

Therein, as the Bard would say, lies the rub. Claiming that one thing -anything- is "better" (or "larger," "higher," "farther," or generally "more X") than another does require an objective metric upon which everyone involved can be expected to agree.

I like your golf example, so let's exlore that. In golf, there is an objective standard: the position of the hole. Everyone involved knows where the hole is and how far away it is, and they all agree that a swing that gets the ball close to the hole is objectively better than a swing that sends the ball far away from the hole.

When you say, "morality is relative," or "there is no standard of right and wrong," you are analogically saying that there is no hole, or conversely that anyone can put the hole anywhere he wants for his own swing.

In this case, it is impossible for one golfer to meaningfully criticize another's swing unles they both know where the swinger's hole is located. Even then, one swing is still not "better" than another because, if the golfer's swing is not getting close enough to his hole, he can simply move his hole to a position that suits his own swing.

The point is, judgement and criticism require a standard. The critic's standard -and therefore judgement- is meaningless unless one of two conditions is met:
1) Both parties agree to the standard, like in a golf game where all the participants agree to the rules, or
2) The standard, and it's status as important and relevant to the parties in their current context, has autonomous existence, like in a PGA golf game where there are official written rules and referees.
Shild | 10.21.07 - 12:44 pm | #

Laws against interracial marriages are from the Natural Law. It is part and parcel of the laws of the states. Good Christians should be Law-abiding Christians and that means obeying divine/Church law and Secular law! True Orthodox Apostolic Christianity is about obeying the Natural law just as much as the Divine Law! Not all law comes from on high. For instance, Seat-belt laws. To be a good and moral christian should we protest seat-belt laws because it doesn't come from the Bible?

In the Old Order of Christendom there were two sets of laws, the res divina and the res publica. Both have authority. Laws against interracial marriage is just part of the Natural Law that should be upheld as good citizens of our tribes.

My defense of European civilization is my defense of Jesus Christ the Jew. So he is a Jew---soooo what? That He died so that we all may have eternal life? He had to have come from somewhere and be born into a particular tribe. I thank God everyday that Jesus was a Jew, because then us Europeans would NOT have the responsibility and the curse for killing Him.

Jesus had to enter the world, and HAD to be killed. Somebody had to do the dirty deed and thank God he was born Jewish so the Jews had to kill Him.

I thank God everyday that Jesus was a Jew!!!!! Thank God!!!!!

You know I laugh when my people bitch and moan about Jesus being born a Jew-they really don't know what they are talking about--they should be really really really grateful that God decided to send his Son thru the Jews instead of Us Japthites!!

Yes, I would disapprove that my daughter would marry an apostle. The whole essence of our time here on earth is to learn obedience. Obedience to the Res divina and TO the Res publica. The Apostles would have known to marry their own and my daughter would be married to her own tribesman.

Christianity is a bacteria not the end all or be all. Christianity exists within the Natural Order and so it must co-exist with it not undermine it or to change it.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 12:52 pm | #

I agree! Why can't we see that! I am all for the purity of the Jewish Race! Why can't I be for the purity of the European races!
WLindsayWhee

You can be but not at the expense of someone else. What are you going to do if a couple from 2 different races get married? Kill them? Kill their child? Banish them? Because it is going to happen, large scale or small scale.
Starbuck | 10.21.07 - 12:55 pm | #

Guys, stop poking at the retarded squidling of Dagon that washed up on the beach. You're only encouraging it to spew more filth.
Arielle | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 1:11 pm | #

I like the plucky little nation, nonetheless, and I'm sure they will all sleep better for my having said that.
The Aardvark

Hmmmm. In my view, they are not any sort of "nation". Theyare a grouop of armed invaders. They are people presently occupying contested territory, using the military and financial resources of the United States and England. That they claim divine right to the area should only be chuckled at, since amoral people can - and will - claim anything to get their way.

Seems to me that Christians have - for centuries - allowed this small group of "Uncompleted Christians" to manipulate their thinking and attitudes. So it does not speak well of them that they can be so easily maniplated. It's quite difficult to want to belong to a such a group, one that has been so easily fooled and snookered over the centuries.

As for sleeping better? People sleeping on a bed in a stolen home - sitting on occupied territory - will not sleep well, no matter what anyone says.
Bobert | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 1:35 pm | #

I would like to point out that the 'traditions of men' which Jesus condemned were Rabbinic, i.e. Jewish, traditions.

That is your interpretation, although Paul has spoken against the philosophy of the pagans as well(about the wise man and the scholar of this age, and the Greeks who seek after "wisdom" but call the faith foolishness). No, the traditions of men are not just the rabbinic traditions.

You fail to remember that it is not just the rabbinic jews who are against us, but it is the *world*. The world system as ruled by the devil, HaSatan. All traditions of men, all philosophies originating in the heart of man is suspect, even the non-Jewish ones.

If you want true philosophy and wisdom, go to Ecclesiastes and Proverbs.
Crystal Lake | 10.21.07 - 1:50 pm | #

I can see it now, a new line of
HP books. Homo Potter!

Book 1: The Hairy Philosopher Stones.
Book 2: Shh! It's our little secret.
Book 3: The S&M prisoner.
Book 4: The An#s of fire.
Book 5: The Order of the Phallus.
Book 6: The Royal member.
Book 7: The Deathly Bug Chasers.

Now if JKR really wanted to have controversy, she could have gone another route. Her character she created was once gay, saw the folly of his way, and is now against that destructive choice.

But I suppose that is too controversial.
Mr. Zu | 10.21.07 - 1:51 pm | #

But then the realization hits:
and the whitewashed picture of the Jews given in church and in the Christian school I attended as a youth, did not gel with what I saw Jewish people actively DOING.

You've gotta be kidding me. While anti-semitism has pretty much been exhausted, the Jews are not whitewashed at all in any church I've heard of!

Where do you think all this bluster against "Jewish laws" comes from? From people who whitewash the Jews? I don't think so.

You are deluded.
Crystal Lake | 10.21.07 - 1:53 pm | #

I thank God everyday that Jesus was a Jew, because then us Europeans would NOT have the responsibility and the curse for killing Him.

You are..just..totally out of it, WLW. I mean..I am continually amazed. Look, I have to get off now, but if I can, I'll be back later to deal with this.
Crystal Lake | 10.21.07 - 1:56 pm | #

>To "criticize" would require you to believe that one set of values is somehow superior to another, which would require an objective standard, in which you don't believe.

There need not be an objective standard to criticize someone else's values. If you believe your values are superior, that is plainly enough. One can say that eating child-flavored matzo balls is wrong, and it is for the person saying it.
Ellis | 10.21.07 - 1:58 pm | #

Hmmmm. In my view, they are not any sort of "nation". Theyare a grouop of armed invaders. They are people presently occupying contested territory, using the military and financial resources of the United States and England. That they claim divine right to the area should only be chuckled at, since amoral people can - and will - claim anything to get their way.

Seems to me that Christians have - for centuries - allowed this small group of "Uncompleted Christians" to manipulate their thinking and attitudes. So it does not speak well of them that they can be so easily maniplated. It's quite difficult to want to belong to a such a group, one that has been so easily fooled and snookered over the centuries.

As for sleeping better? People sleeping on a bed in a stolen home - sitting on occupied territory - will not sleep well, no matter what anyone says.
Bobert

Where did you get the idea they stole that land? Huh? Read your history. For many years before WWII the jews were migrating to palistine. They bought the property at terribly inflated prices from the arabs. The arabs thought the jews the fools and sold it to them left and right. Then when they declared statehood, the arabs couldn't stand that and attacked. The Jews fought for their land and lives and won in 1948 and then again in 1953 and then again in 1967 and again in 1973. And they will again eventually.

If you hold that the Jews have no claim to their land then fuck you. You get the hell out of this country because you have even LESS of a claim then the Jews do for Israel. And if you don;'t like that, then FUCK YOU ANYWAYS. I dislike complete fucktards as yourself. Always spreading shit about the jews. If the jews don;t have a claim then neither do the arabs. The british are the ones that split the middleeast up after WWI when they brought down the ottman empire. Stupid dumb ass. And where do you want the jews to go? HUH? There are no palisteninans. The ones calling themselves that are either arabs or from egypt. That whole "jews stole that land" is a friggin lie. The USA didn't help in 1947 or '53 or '67, they did in 1973.

Go stuff it Bobart.

Bobert, you are just one of those liberal fucktards that believes israel has no rights to their land. They won that land by price
Starbuck | 10.21.07 - 2:06 pm | #

They won that land by price and by blood. Why don't you go try take it away from them. You think you're so fucking much. You make me wish I could reach into my monitor and throttle the living shit out of you.

Hey Bobart, why don;'t you go live with those damn camel jockeys? You will love their new hair style they give you.
Starbuck | 10.21.07 - 2:11 pm | #

There need not be an objective standard to criticize someone else's values. If you believe your values are superior, that is plainly enough. One can say that eating child-flavored matzo balls is wrong, and it is for the person saying it. (Ellis)

The emboldened clause does require an objective standard with which to determine whether one value set is truly "superior" to another.
Shild | 10.21.07 - 2:27 pm | #

Laws against interracial marriages are from the Natural Law. It is part and parcel of the laws of the states. Good Christians should be Law-abiding Christians and that means obeying divine/Church law and Secular law! True Orthodox Apostolic Christianity is about obeying the Natural law just as much as the Divine Law!

I don't see how the Natural Law is against interracial marriage. I can see how it is against homosexuality or bestiality (in both of which cases no procreation is possible, and the consummation of marriage is therefore divorced from its natural goal), but people of different races can have children together.

The whole essence of our time here on earth is to learn obedience.

You forgot trust in Christ, which is an important part of the lessons we have to learn as well.

Oh, and I believe you didn't respond to a point made previously by someone else: St. Augustine, the 'Western theologian', was an African. What do you think of that?

That is your interpretation, although Paul has spoken against the philosophy of the pagans as well(about the wise man and the scholar of this age, and the Greeks who seek after "wisdom" but call the faith foolishness). No, the traditions of men are not just the rabbinic traditions.

St. Paul also quoted a pagan poet approvingly. The philosophy he spoke against was not philosophy per se, but false philosophy in contradiction to the message of Christianity.

You fail to remember that it is not just the rabbinic jews who are against us, but it is the *world*.

I don't fail to remember that; I merely said that the traditions Jesus condemned were rabbinic ones. False pagan traditions were condemned by St. Paul, not by Jesus. (And both Jesus and St. Paul recognized that there was also a lot of good in what those people believed, even though certain traditions were wrong or misguided.)

The world system as ruled by the devil, HaSatan. All traditions of men, all philosophies originating in the heart of man is suspect, even the non-Jewish ones.

Yes... We should exercise discernment. Not condemn wholesale and retreat, but be cautious and ever on our guard.

Until, of course, we are convinced that certain people can make authoritative statements about a subject, especially one as important as the deeper meaning of life, metaphysics, and life after death. All Christians agree that Christ had such authority. Mr. Wheeler would include the Roman Catholic Church as well. I'm not sure yet, but I'm leaning toward the Catholic position.

It can't be as far off as Unitarianism, in any case...
Turgonian | 10.21.07 - 2:37 pm | #

Is Harry Potter Jewish?


British conference to examine book's origins; presenter: Harry's a 'yiddishe neshama'

By Jeremy Last, EJP Published: 04.10.05, 11:39 / Israel Culture




The bizarre question of Harry Potter’s Jewish identity is to be discussed at a three-day conference covering the entire spectrum of the magical children’s book.


Originally written for a young audience, the Harry Potter series has become a phenomenon enjoyed by adults and children alike.


Over the weekend of 29-31 July this year around 250 Potter enthusiasts will gather at a venue in Reading University, UK, to explore the book which follows Harry as he grows up as a wizard at a school in England.


One of the presentations will focus on the question of whether Harry Potter is, in fact, a nice Jewish boy.

Presenter Amy Miller believes the wizard created by JK Rowling has created “has a yiddishe neshama” -a Jewish soul.


“That Harry Potter could be called ‘a nice Jewish boy’ makes many people laugh, including me. He doesn't wear a skull cap, or go to Hebrew school, or keep kosher,” she said.


“But he cares about how others are feeling, he is kind, and he defends his beliefs; these are a very few examples of proper Jewish behavior.”


Miller’s presentation will be one of a number of discussions on the religious persuasion of the character who is soon to be featured in the sixth and penultimate book.
Bone Head | 10.21.07 - 2:42 pm | #

Turgonian, on the case of the natural law in regard to interracial marriages is that in the animal world, the general rule, (and I underline 'general') is that animals of a species breed with its own. That is the natural law. That laws (or customs) of many people across many climes and places have similar laws.

The Mosaic law is very very clear on this matter. Not only were the Hebrews forbidden to marry gentiles they COULDN'T INTERMARRY WITHIN THEIR TRIBES!!!

Many people miss this point; there are 12 Hebrew tribes; the tribe of Judah couldn't take daughters from the tribe of Benjamin and the tribe of Levi couldn't take wives from the tribe of Rueben.

It is very funny that you notice that the Old Testament, sanctions slavery and condemns interracial slavery and the Modern Catholic Church condemns slavery and condones interracial marriage. This I find amazing and wonder why the disconnect within the Catholic Church.

That the truth of the wrongness of interracial marriage is seen in the natural world, in most societies and in Divine revelation. It is a general rule and therefore a part of the Natural Law.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 2:52 pm | #

ot only were the Hebrews forbidden to marry gentiles they COULDN'T INTERMARRY WITHIN THEIR TRIBES!!!

Wrong, there was no stricture against marrying someone from another tribe, with one exception; when a women was the heir (i.e. had no brothers) she had to marry within her tribe. Nor was there a general ban on marrying gentiles, as the stories of Ruth and Rahab makes clear. Not to mention Bathsheba.
Larry | 10.21.07 - 3:01 pm | #

That the truth of the wrongness of interracial marriage is seen in the natural world, in most societies and in Divine revelation. It is a general rule and therefore a part of the Natural Law.

There is no natural law against interracial marriage, as animals have no concept of "race", or "marriage" for that matter.
Larry | 10.21.07 - 3:04 pm | #

Starbuck, Bobart is right in some ways! Even before WWII, there was fighting between the Arabs and the immigrant Jews.

Here is an interesting story about immigration and how dangerous it is. The Immigrating people can and do displace the indigenous people!

Jews had no right to the land--they conquerored it like other people have done.

The State of Israel has no legitimacy whatsoever. For the killing of Jesus and not obeying the Word of God (which is Jesus) they are condemned to wander--to be stateless--to be foreigners in a foreign land.

Zionism is only Jewish Lebensraum. Zionism only got its push because of Holocaust. I found it quite humourous when I read a sidebar on a website and it had a picture of Hitler with the words "The real founder of Zionism"! It's true, no religious Jew before WWII thought it good to return to Palestine. It was anathema. They knew the curse and knew not to return.

WWII changed all that.

In a spiritual sense, there is no legitimacy for the State of Israel. All the Jews need to leave and return back into the Gentile world.

True Jerusalem is Heaven--The Kingdom of God---not some place on the Mediterrianean!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 3:07 pm | #

There are exceptions to the rule but the general rule in Mosaic law is that one had to marry only within the tribe. The only reason for Boaz to marry Ruth the Moabitess is that she was already the wife of his brother. He took her to fulfill the law.

Again the Golden Mean. But there are countless laws against intermarriage in the Bible.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 3:10 pm | #

Of course Larry, animals have no concept of race or marriage. Come on and have some sort of sophistication will-ya? Please?

Animals run on instinct. Who put that instinct in them? God did. God created the Natural Order and when you look upon the Natural Order, God has everything in Order and order is kept that all things keep their station and instinct drives them to their own.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 3:13 pm | #

1 Kings 11:1-2 - But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites; Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.

Ezra 10:2-3 - And Shechaniah the son of Jehiel, one of the sons of Elam, answered and said unto Ezra, We have trespassed against our God, and have taken strange wives of the people of the land: yet now there is hope in Israel concerning this thing. Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all the wives, and such as are born of them, according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law.

Ezra 10:10-12 - And Ezra the priest stood up, and said unto them, Ye have transgressed, and have taken strange wives, to increase the trespass of Israel. Now therefore make confession unto the LORD God of your fathers, and do his pleasure: and separate yourselves from the people of the land, and from the strange wives. Then all the congregation answered and said with a loud voice, As thou hast said, so must we do.

Nehemiah 9:1-2 Now in the twenty and fourth day of this month the children of Israel were assembled with fasting, and with sackclothes, and earth upon them. And the seed of Israel separated themselves from all strangers, and stood and confessed their sins, and the iniquities of their fathers.

Nehemiah 13:23-30 - In those days also saw I Jews that had married wives of Ashdod, of Ammon, and of Moab: And their children spake half in the speech of Ashdod, and could not speak in the Jews' language, but according to the language of each people. And I contended with them, and cursed them, and smote certain of them, and plucked off their hair, and made them swear by God, saying, Ye shall not give your daughters unto their sons, nor take their daughters unto your sons, or for yourselves. Did not Solomon king of Israel sin by these things? yet among many nations was there no king like him, who was beloved of his God, and God made him king over all Israel: nevertheless even him did outlandish women cause to sin. Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives? And one of the sons of Joiada, the son of Eliashib the high priest, was son in law to Sanballat the Horonite: therefore I chased him from me. Remember them, O my God, because they have defiled the priesthood, and the covenant of the priesthood, and of the Levites. Thus cleansed I them from all strangers, and appointed the wards of the priests and the Levites, every one in his business…’
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 3:14 pm | #

"But the elders of Jerusalem being very uneasy that the brother of Jaddua the high priest, though married to a foreigner, should be a partner with him in the high priesthood quarrelled with him; for they esteemed this man’s marriage a step to such as should be desirous of transgressing the marriage of strange wives, that this would be the beginning of a mutual society with foreigners, although the offense of some about marriages, and their having married wives that were not of their own country, had been an occasion of their former captivity, and of the miseries they then underwent; so they commanded Manasseh to divorce his wife." ~ Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, 11.8.2
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 3:16 pm | #

There are exceptions to the rule but the general rule in Mosaic law is that one had to marry only within the tribe.

No there wasn't. If you think there was something in the Mosaic law that forbade inter-tribal marriages, please cite it.


Zionism is only Jewish Lebensraum. Zionism only got its push because of Holocaust. I found it quite humourous when I read a sidebar on a website and it had a picture of Hitler with the words "The real founder of Zionism"!

Is there any end to your historical ignorance? The modern Zionist movement got its start in France, with the Dreyfus affair. The movement was started by Theodore Herzl, with the publishing of the book "The Jewish State" in 1894, considerably before the Third Reich.
Larry | 10.21.07 - 3:17 pm | #

Through the policy of Constantine Germans had become a predominant element in the Roman army, and German officers had risen to the highest military posts and had exercised commanding political influence. Outside, German peoples were pressing on the frontiers, waiting for opportunities to grasp at a share of the coveted wealth of the Roman world. The Empire was exposed to the double danger of losing provinces to these unwelcome claimants who desired to be taken within its border, and of the growing ascendancy p3 of the German element in the army.1
(1)The Roman fear of barbarisation is marked by a law of A.D. 370 or 373, which forbade marriages between provincials and barbarians on pain of death. C. Th. iii.14.1.

Fr http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Tha...AT/ 1*.html#ref1
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In the early days of the Roman Republic intermarriages were forbidden between patricians and plebeians. As well, particians would often forbid any trading between them and the plebeians. These restrictions were relaxed as time passed, and the number of patricians decreased.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 3:17 pm | #

"Deut. 23:2 is inaccurately translated as: "One of illegitimate birth shall not enter the assembly of the LORD; even to the tenth generation none of his descendants shall enter the assembly of the LORD." According to Strong's Concordance, the Hebrew word mamzer means not what we would call a bastard but a person of mixed lineage, or "mongrel." God commands that a mongrel must not enter the congregation of Israel. Jephthah was the son of a harlot (Judges 11:1-2) and a bastard, but he was not a mamzer, or mongrel, since he was allowed to enter the congregation."

Quote From "Alleged Examples of Interracial Marriage in the Bible"

• by H. Seabrook •
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 3:20 pm | #

Would asking for a Christian source be to much to ask for?
Larry | 10.21.07 - 3:21 pm | #

This just in...

Dumbledore--

Still gay.
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 3:25 pm | #

Yes, Larry, Theodore Herzel started the movement in France----BUT IT WENT NOWHERE until good ol' Adolf came around.

See there is a saying that "One must break a few eggs to make an omelet". Well, the Zionist Jews instigated WWII for the express purposes of instigating, of impressing the need for, a Jewish State! WWII was planned well in advance in order to sacrifice a few of themselves in order to create the Jewish State! The whole purpose of the millions of deaths was in order to convince non-interested Jews into creating a Jewish state!

The Neutrai Karta are the remnants of those Old Order Jews that thought the Zionist State is wrong! And they are right! The teachings of the Neutrai Karta was the valid and universal opinion of the grand majority of Jews before WWII.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 3:26 pm | #

Well, the Zionist Jews instigated WWII for the express purposes of instigating, of impressing the need for, a Jewish State! WWII was planned well in advance in order to sacrifice a few of themselves in order to create the Jewish State!

You're a lunatic, and only that keeps you from being a gross heretic, blasphemer and embarrassment to Christianity. Please forget that I ever tried to talk to you.
Larry | 10.21.07 - 3:29 pm | #

In the first five books, the Hebrews are commanded to marry only within their own tribe such as Numbers 36.6

"...for the children of Israel shall steadfastly continue each in the inheritance of his family's tribe."

"He shall take for a wife a virgin of his own people. And he shall NOT profane his seed among his people."

Larry, Do you know that when Hitler came to power in 1932, the Jews declared an economic boycott of Germany. An economic boycott is a declaration of War. The Jews immediately declared war on Germany. Furthermore, you should study Winston Churchill. There was no reason to declare war on Germany when Hitler invaded Poland.

This from Ziopedia.com

"A congenital alcoholic born to an American-Jewish mother and a degenerate gambling-addicted alcoholic fortune-hunter of an English aristocrat, who subsequently contracted syphilis and succumbed to syphiloma of the brain exacerbated by severe alcoholism. Having lost all his money at the New York Stock Exchange in 1929, as a bankrupt, Churchill was also about to lose his Parliamentary seat, but remained in Parliament as a paid agent of the Jewish Board of Deputies. The Inland Revenue never learned how much money he received as an anti-British spy and traitor, who dragged his unwilling country into WW2 on behalf of the Rothschilds & Co and bankrupted Britain in the process."

Larry, I've been saying he's a lunatic for a while now. If only you'd listened in the beginning it would have saved a lot of trouble.
Ben-El | 10.21.07 - 3:51 pm | #

"You shall observe my law; thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with one of a different kind; and thou shalt not sow thy vineyard with diverse seed; and thou shalt not put upon thyself a mingled garment woven of two materials". Septuagint, Lev 19.19

Let's see WWII started in 1933 when the Jews declared war on Germany. Here is a link that shows the Newspaper Headlines declaring that the Jews have declared war on Germany: http://www.wintersonnenwende.com...es/ jdecwar.html

Hitler didn't want to attack the West but wanted to attack the East. He wanted Lebensraum in the East, land. Just like countless powers throughout history conquerored other people and land to grow on. Germany was no different.

But when Churchill, along with France, declared war on Germany, Hitler had no choice but to invade France.

Here is an article on Churchill's instrangicence: http://www.thecivicplatform.com/...ly-rejected-it/

Here is another "Churchill and the Jews": http://www.fpp.co.uk/History/ ant...llonJews_4.html

Here is the link of a book review on how FDR instigated the attack on Pearl Harbor so he could get the US into WWII: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2...g2/ denson8.html

Why do you think fellows that Rudolf Hess flew to England? And why do you think they kept in jail until his death? Rudolf Hess flew to Britain to make a last ditch effort to make peace between Germany and England. Then, he was thrown in jail never to see the light of day again!

That is what you get with ZOG!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 4:08 pm | #

Jews...

Jews...

Jews...

Jue.

See ... Jewwww.

I wonder how some of you are going to feel when they, the Jews, let the antichrist sit on the throne of the temple.

"WE HAVE NO KING BUT CAESAR!"
Persona | 10.21.07 - 4:14 pm | #

"Early in 1935, a passenger ship bound for Haifa in Palestine left the German port of Bremerhaven. Its stern bore the Hebrew letters for its name, "Tel Aviv," while a swastika banner fluttered from the mast. And although the ship was Zionist-owned, its captain was a National Socialist Party member. Many years later a traveler aboard the ship recalled this symbolic combination as a "metaphysical absurdity."1 Absurd or not, this is but one vignette from a little-known chapter of history: The wide-ranging collaboration between Zionism and Hitler's Third Reich."

And let's dispel this notion that Germany bombed England---IT WAS ENGLAND THAT BOMBED CIVILIAN TARGETS IN GERMANY FIRST!!!!

We have all been taught that Germany instigated the bombing of cities---no that is all a lie! Lie Lie Lie Lie Lie Lie Lie Lie

Here is the article: http://www.thecivicplatform.com/...by-the-british/
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 4:25 pm | #

What is the German racial proclivity? They're anal.

:S Much like 'the hole thing is gay', this misspelling (I assume -- I don't know what you meant, actually) takes us closer to the initial topic again...

I don't know, Mr. Wheeler... It sounds far too much like a conspiracy theory, and those are usually wrong. Lots of people believe that the American government was behind the 9/11 attacks, but few really sane people believe that... Do you believe the Jews were behind it? :D

And you haven't answered the point that St. Augustine was an African yet. You can't go on ignoring it.
Turgonian | 10.21.07 - 4:44 pm | #

Anyway, going back to Dumbledore -- this could be twisted to be consistent with the 'Subtle Christian Message Hermeneutic', since he always remained 'in the closet', as far as we know. Apparently, Mrs. Rowling has favourably depicted a homosexual who never spoke up about his true identity or demanded emancipation.

Let's wait until the Lobby catches up on THAT...
Turgonian | 10.21.07 - 4:46 pm | #

No, I don't believe the Jews were behind 9/11 only Osama. But the conspiracy of Osama and the hijakers worked didn't it? Conspiracies do work and are real. Yes, I am leary of conspiracy theories myself but knowing freemasonry, long term planning of a conspiracy is not so hard.

It is not so much a direct conspiracy but an evil agenda that people subscribe to that takes centuries to unfold.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 5:05 pm | #

Wheeler is like the Neo-Spartanist cosmos, only filled with rage.
Josh | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 5:20 pm | #

Despite all of the gnashing of teeth, I think this was a pretty shrewd move on Rowling's part. Given that nobody in this thread has actually discussed the books' contents (and a few folks have said that they haven't read them), I don't think that she lost much fandom with this announcement. (It's already got all that witchcraft in it, and all.) But it's certainly a way to gain fandom, and to hold the attention of sweaty-palmed female fanfic authors.

As I did read the books, I thought I might as well correct the exception to the above, the one instance wherein someone did refer to the books' contents.

WLindsayWheeler: If you notice VD, the whole story revolves around marxist political correctness. The whole plot line revolves around "Half-bloods" persecuted against the "Pure bloods" and the Pure Bloods are eeeevillll.

@ grendelkhan, from Wikipedia, J. K. Rowling herself states explicity::::

"Rowling has stated that the books comprise "a prolonged argument for tolerance, a prolonged plea for an end to bigotry"

I again refer to Wikipedia:::::

Blood purity

Wizards in general tend to view Muggles with a combination of condescension and suspicion; however, for a few, this attitude has evolved into bigotry. These characters tend to class those around them based on the number of magical ancestors they had, with "pure-blood" wizards (those with an entirely-magical bloodline) at the top of the hierarchy, "half-blood" wizards in the middle (those with both wizard and Muggle ancestry), and "Muggle-borns" (those with no magical ancestors) at the very bottom. Supporters of blood purity believe pure-bloods should control the wizarding world, and don't consider Muggle-borns real wizards. Some have even gone so far as to murder them or demand that they should not be taught magic. Most blood-purity-believers are pure-blood themselves, though it should be noted that Voldemort, one of the most radical supporters of blood purity ever known, is himself half-blood. Also, very few, if any, true "pure-blood" families actually exist as many have intermarried into the Muggle-born population to stop the families from dying out. Many of these families have covered this up, however. One example of this is the removal of certain members from the Black family tree.[HP5]

It is worthy to note that that in the Motiffs of the storyline, Wikipedia leads with "Blood Purity"!!!! Doesn't that tell you something.

The theme of the storyline is "Death". Well, J. K. Rowling is certainly right! The agenda of "tolerance" and the agenda of ending "bigotry" is the Death of the West. She writes of death because she is promoting death unconsciously! She is an Eve redux. The apple is her candy-wrapped fantasy stories selling death to children! Her premonition, her sentiment of death, is played out in her communist ideology planted throughout her books!

She thinks she is so smart but she is really decieved and gives out death like a witch with a poison apple.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 6:15 pm | #

WLindsayWheeler: Can anything be any clearer!!!! Out of the Horse's Mouth--comes clarity. It is about "tolerance" and ending bigotry. This is all Political Correctness, hence Marxism!

Again about the motifs of the Harry Potter series:::::

"Houses

Like most boarding schools, Hogwarts is divided into four separate houses, named after the four Hogwarts founders, and students are sorted into their respective houses at the start of their first year. They are Gryffindor, named after Godric Gryffindor, which favours courage; Ravenclaw, named after Rowena Ravenclaw, which favours cleverness; Hufflepuff, named after Helga Hufflepuff, which favours fairness and loyalty; and Slytherin, named after Salazar Slytherin, which favours ambition and Blood Purity (See above). Upon arrival, Harry, along with his friend Ron, and Hermione, who would later be their friend, are sorted into Gryffindor.

@grendelkhan And what causes this bigotry? It is Race. Why bring Blood purity into a story at all? Because this is what consumes the Jews? Why would Wesley Clark, a decorated soldier, a Major General, be using the words "pure" ethnic states? It is because this is what consumes the Jews!

Why is this "Blood purity" in a children's books anyway?

This word "bigotry" is a code word for "volkenhass". Volkenhass is throughout the Natural Order. God implanted this so-called bigotry in man at the Tower of Babel after man refused to stay in his racial groups!

J. R. Rowling is a Leveller in the classical British sense! I bet she hates the British Royalty and Aristocracy!!! She hates anything superior! And that is why she is teaching this "blood purity" thing! It is a subtle attack upon the British nobility!

As is noted Mr. grendelkhan, in the above quotes from the Book of Sirach:

"Good is set against evil, and life against death: so is the godly against the sinner, and the sinner against the godly. So look upon all the works of the most High; and there are two and two, one against another."

Harry Potter is a sentimental sap. A creation of the Feminine mind! He is thin, weak, but has alot of "caring emotion" just like a F#$@%@#$ woman.

What makes a man a man is ambition. And the strength of a man, is his pedigree to some extent! Superior gifted men.

The ancient battlefields of Man's history has proven these people to be superior which evolved into the Royalty guiding their specific Tribes.

It is NATURE and nurture. The two together. Some people, BY NATURE, are BETTER than others! oooooh gasp! Welcome to the REAL world.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 6:34 pm | #

I forget "bigotry". The hatred of bigotry comes from COVETOUSNESS!

What is the Last Commandment?

And since it is the Last---It is also has the greatest sin!!!!

"Thou shalt NOT Covet"!

What does the Common Man covet????

The status of the Nobility!

Not only are Male and Female juxtaposed one against the other. Not only are all things Two and Two--One against the Other, BUT

Commoners against Nobility!

In every revolution---The commoners come and kill their nobility! Throughout history, Greece, Rome, the French Revolution, the Spanish Civil War---It is always the commoners KILLING the nobility! Because the Commoners HATE---They Covet the special priviledges of the "pure bloods" of the superior bloods!

J.K. Rowling is only preaching hatred herself--Hate against the Old Order.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 6:40 pm | #

Wheeler's crazy. Every educated person knows it was the endless machinations and provocations of the Polish menace that forced Hitler to suppress his peaceloving inclinations and reluctantly mobilize for defensive measures.

The Poles controled the world then and they still do today! The fact that this is so unsuspected, so undetected, only serves as further proof of their supreme craftiness.

Don't be fooled! Hitler knew! And he tried to save us! But who will listen today?
Gary Himself | 10.21.07 - 6:41 pm | #

And why are the nobility concerned with Blood lines?

Because of mixing the noble soul with common stock---DILUTES their gifts! This is why Royalty marries Royalty and Aristocracy marries Aristocracy and the Commoners marry commoners.

This is why German should marry German, Jew marry Jew, and Italian marry Italian!

Gresham's law is in effect. Bad drives out Good! Bad blood drives out Good blood!

Every farmer knows that! Except dumb stupid modern people!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 6:44 pm | #

Where did you get the idea they stole that land? Huh? Read your history. For many years before WWII the jews were migrating to palistine. They bought the property at terribly inflated prices from the arabs.
starbuck

What a crock.

"In 1948, at the moment that Israel declared itself a state, it legally owned a little more than 6 percent of the land of Palestine." Source: The Origin if the Palestine-Israel, Conflict 3rd edition.

Starbuck, read real history, not the crap put out by Jewish propagandists. Check the real facts before you start calling anybody a fucktard.

Maybe the legal purchasing of 6% is a majority in your mind. However, the reality is that the rest of the world knows the remaining 94 percent was stolen at gunpoint.

Sit down, and get a grip... here's a newsflash for you: your lies won't hold up forever.
Bobert | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 7:07 pm | #

And starbuck:

Go wash out your filthy mouth. Vox does have rules for language around here.
Bobert | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 7:28 pm | #

The bible is full of instances of the people being admonished not to marry outside their race.

And when going into battle against other nations, depending on Gods will, the soldiers were admonished to either kill ALL ... men, woman and children.

Now ... why do you suppose that is?

Anyone remember the story of Samson?



Some of you are really blind not to see or discern it.

Inter-racial marriage DOES have cultural and/or religious ramifications. As IS evident in scripture itself.

You can not escape it. And to do so is to be ignorant of why.
Persona | 10.21.07 - 7:33 pm | #

The bible is full of instances of the people being admonished not to marry outside their race.

The admonition was against marrying outside of their faith, this is why there was no problem with Ruth or Rahab, they were willing to become Jewish. The admonition against marrying outside of the faith continues in the New Testament. Faith and belief are what is important, not race. In fact the Bible knows nothing of human races.
Larry | 10.21.07 - 7:43 pm | #

"Faith and belief are what is important, not race. In fact the Bible knows nothing of human races."
That is a crock, Larry and you know it! I just quoted lengthy passages from the Book of Sirach! It says, "God divided man" and gave them diverse gifts. The Greek word for race, is ethnos and it is throughout the Bible.

Please see the Wikipedia page on the word "Goy". There you will see a page from a Hebrew lexicon from the 16th century that corresponds the word 'goy' with the Latin word 'ethnicus' which is a borrowing from the Greek! Goy means nation! God did intend to create Nations.

Larry, you are being subversive, by your political correctness.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 7:56 pm | #

WLindayWheeler: Who are the evil people in the series and in the movies????? You stupid people. It is the Slytherins!!! Even the name is disgusting! Why is that? Because JKRowling has an agenda of communism.

Said Slytherin, "We'll teach just those
Whose ancestry is purest."
Said Ravenclaw, "We'll teach those whose
Intelligence is surest."
Said Gryffindor, "We'll teach all those
With brave deeds to their name,"
Said Hufflepuff, "I'll teach the lot,
And treat them just the same."

Why would Wesley Clark, a decorated soldier, a Major General, be using the words "pure" ethnic states? It is because this is what consumes the Jews!

J. R. Rowling is a Leveller in the classical British sense! I bet she hates the British Royalty and Aristocracy!!! She hates anything superior! And that is why she is teaching this "blood purity" thing! It is a subtle attack upon the British nobility!

And the strength of a man, is his pedigree to some extent! Superior gifted men.

And NOW I will quote again from Wikipedia:::::

"Blood purity is a central concept in the Harry Potter series of books by J. K. Rowling.

"Blood purity is a central concept in the Harry Potter series of books by J. K. Rowling.

"Wizards who have four magical grandparents are known as pure-blood[citation needed]; those who have one or more Muggle (non-magical) grandparents are known as half-blood[citation needed]. Those with two Muggle parents are known as Muggle-born, or, pejoratively, as "Mudblood". Among pure-blooded families, a division exists between those who accept and appreciate those of mixed or Muggle parentage, such as the Weasley family, and those who consider such people inferior, such as the Malfoy and Gaunt families[citation needed]. A blood traitor is a derogatory term employed by the latter group for a pure-blood who fails to maintain the proper prejudices against non-pure-bloods (i.e., people who enjoy the company of and/or help Muggles and Muggle-borns). This label has been applied to the Weasley family[citation needed], Sirius Black[citation needed], and Merope Gaunt[citation needed]

Pure-blood supremacists consider blood purity a measurer of a wizard's magical ability[citation needed]; this is not the case, however[citation needed]. Hermione Granger, for example, is Muggle-born, yet she is consistently at the top of her class, and is by all accounts a highly-skilled witch[citation needed]. It is especially true when one considers that some of the most powerful characters are half-bloods (Voldemort[citation needed], Severus Snape[citation needed] and Albus Dumbledore[citation needed].

The establishment and maintenance of pure-blood dominion over the wizarding world is the prime motivation for many of the series's evil characters[citation needed]. As critic Colleen O'Brien notes, the wizards who see themselves as superior because of their heritage, are the books' villains, while Harry Potter and his friends disagree with this ideology.[1]

"Therein, as the Bard would say, lies the rub. Claiming that one thing -anything- is "better" (or "larger," "higher," "farther," or generally "more X") than another does require an objective metric upon which everyone involved can be expected to agree."

Is that so? What's the object metric when I tell you that Rock n Roll is better music than Jazz?
Pinotopolis | 10.21.07 - 8:17 pm | #

"As critic Colleen O'Brien notes, the wizards who see themselves as superior because of their heritage, are the books' villains,..."

The villians of Harry Potter are those that "see themselves superior because of their heritage".

How do the Royalty and the Aristocracy, in real life, see themselves as?

"Superior to other men BECAUSE OF THEIR HERITAGE".

Why are the Jews Chosen? Why do Jews have bigotry against the Gentiles?

Because they "see themselves superior BECAUSE OF THEIR HERITAGE"!

Who gave these heritages out? God did!

Doesn't scripture say

"As the clay is in the potter's hand, to fashion it at his pleasure: so man is in the hand of him that made him, to render to them as liketh him best. "

"The point is, judgement and criticism require a standard. The critic's standard -and therefore judgement- is meaningless unless one of two conditions is met:
1) Both parties agree to the standard, like in a golf game where all the participants agree to the rules, or
2) The standard, and it's status as important and relevant to the parties in their current context, has autonomous existence, like in a PGA golf game where there are official written rules and referees.
Shild"

No. When it comes to things like morals, beauty, and right and wrong, one need not have a standard upon which everyone agrees. If that were necessary then there would be no difference in the opinions between movie critics then they judge a film or individuals when they judge a person's actions.

What you don't seem willing to appreciate is that even though we can admit that morals are relative to time, place and person, the person can still argue that their's is the best course of action or opinion or set of morals.
Pinotopolis | 10.21.07 - 8:23 pm | #

See, heritage and greatness is NOT a man-granted thing--But an Act of the Will of God! This is what is dangerous! The Actions of God in this world threatens the man-centered world of the humanists, egalitarians and democrats of this world!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 8:23 pm | #

" "Rowling has stated that the books comprise "a prolonged argument for tolerance, a prolonged plea for an end to bigotry"



Can anything be any clearer!!!! Out of the Horse's Mouth--comes clarity. It is about "tolerance" and ending bigotry. This is all Political Correctness, hence Marxism!
WLindsayWheeler"

How terrible!! Goodness. "An end to bigotry?" "Tolerance?" Why she ought to be strung up for such base motivations.
Pinotopolis | 10.21.07 - 8:26 pm | #

As a military man, I learned a great many things and one of those things is

"Rank has its priviledges"

This is what grates against the nerves of the humanists and the democrats! This is what grates against the sensibilities of the Tikkun Olam Jews and their patsies the J.K. Rowlings of this world!

Priviledge!

And that commoners MUST defer to their betters!

This is the OLD Order! This is Christendom! This is the Wisdom of God! And this is precisely what is attacked, belittled and slandered in the Harry Potter books!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 8:36 pm | #

How dare somebody be better than somebody else! This is the crime of the 20th and 21st centuries. Ohh, and come to think of it the 20th century is also labelled the 'Jewish century', what a coincidence! Nahh!

Let me relate a story to you folks. I used to go to St. Philips church, Roman Catholic, here in Battle Creek. One Sunday, the priest starts his sermon about "ending racism" and gives an example of it. He visited England and he stayed with a RC family in England. They were complaining about the immigrants.

This priest called them bigots and evil and slandered them before the whole congregation! This is the Church folks!

And look at what is happening in Britain! And then you wonder why the Brits can't stand up against the Muslim and Paki invasion of their country----BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BE BIGOTS! That's why! Bigotry is evil and so now Britain is collapsing the Brits are leaving their cities to immigrants and they will be minorities in their country! British broadcasting and culture is FULL of political correctness and how evil "bigotry" is!

Well, the anti-bigotry campaign has made wusses out the Brits and their helpless against the globalist plans of their elitist ideologues in the House of Commons and elsewhere!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 8:43 pm | #

Heritage grants priviledge! Their fore-fathers were given that priviledge and it is theirs to use!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 8:46 pm | #

Okay then, Let's compare the Laws of J. K. Rowling's fictional workings of Blood purity with those in the REAL World.

Why do farmers INSIST on purity of Farm breeds?

BECAUSE OF PRODUCTION!!!!!!!

It is true that in some cases, of where Man does intermix the breeds of either cereal grains, cattle, etc, sometimes the yield is greater but then it drastically peters out in the 2nd and 3rd generation! There is an initial spurt and then dies out!

Consistency of production is ONLY with Pure breeds.

In order to game the system, one must constantly engage in intermixing purebreeds to create a next year of higher yield so one must always have pure breed stocks on hand as well!

J. K. Rowling's fiction---is just than Fiction but her fiction is teaching morality about Genetics and the evilness of pure blood to millions of people, children and adults!

She has never spent anytime on a Farm and she has NO scientific knowledge but only propaganda!

As the Church says, "Men are MORE STUPID than wicked". And what I like to say is that "Stupidness creates Wickedness!" She is teaching stupidity to children!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 8:54 pm | #

The Greek word for race, is ethnos and it is throughout the Bible.

Learn some Greek, "ethnos" means "nation" not race. A nation is considerably smaller than a race.
Larry | 10.21.07 - 9:01 pm | #

"J. K. Rowling's fiction---is just than Fiction but her fiction is teaching morality about Genetics and the evilness of pure blood to millions of people, children and adults!"

Most of the good guys are purebloods! She's not saying that being a pureblood is evil, she's saying that bigotry, pride, and arrogance are.
Anonymous | 10.21.07 - 9:07 pm | #

Anon was me.
m.x. | 10.21.07 - 9:07 pm | #

In fact the Bible knows nothing of human races.
Larry | 10.21.07 - 7:43 pm | #

That is quite a statement considering what God had done in Babel. And the unfinished business of the Israelites when they entered the promised land ... occupied by ... other races.



Ezra 9:2
They have taken some of their daughters as wives for themselves and their sons, and have mingled the holy race with the peoples around them. And the leaders and officials have led the way in this unfaithfulness."
Persona | 10.21.07 - 9:08 pm | #

Give it up people. It's all over! Wikipedia is very very useful!

Again Wikipedia. You go to JK Rowling's page and read it. One comes across this:

"When she was a young teen, her great aunt, who Rowling said "taught classics and approved of a thirst for knowledge, even of a questionable kind", gave her a very old copy of Jessica Mitford's autobiography, Hons and Rebels.[22] Mitford became Rowling's heroine, and she subsequently read all of her books.

"Hons and Rebels is an autobiography by political activist Jessica Mitford which describes her aristocratic childhood and the conflicts between her and her sisters Unity and Diana, who were ardent supporters of Nazism. Jessica was a a supporter of Communism and eloped with her cousin to fight with the Reds in the Spanish Civil War, and Diana grew up to marry the leader of the British Union of Fascists. Unity was praised by Nazi leader Hitler as being an ideal of Aryan beauty."

""You may not be able to change the world, but at least you can embarrass the guilty."

And the unfinished business of the Israelites when they entered the promised land ... occupied by ... other races.


No, by other nations, tribes, tongues, but not races. The Canaanites weren't Chinese, after all. There is nothing in the Bible as broad as "race". Babel separated people into tongues, not races.
Larry | 10.21.07 - 9:11 pm | #

"JK. Rowling's mentor IS a communist. JK Rowling IS a communist! Harry Potter is NOTHING more that Communist propaganda!!!!!"

I'm not aware of any communist propaganda in the books (if I'm wrong, show me, and I'll recant that statement). In fact, she seems to pretty much despise government altogether in the books, as many libertarians have taken a great notice to.
m.x. | 10.21.07 - 9:13 pm | #

Ezra 9:2
They have taken some of their daughters as wives for themselves and their sons, and have mingled the holy race with the peoples around them. And the leaders and officials have led the way in this unfaithfulness."
Persona | 10.21.07 - 9:08 pm | #
Persona | 10.21.07 - 9:13 pm | #

Larry, I like you ... but you are stretching and grasping.

Frankly, you'd make the perfect poster boy for the UN and its agenda ... the brave multicultural one world religion we all pray to the same god crowd. Well ... almost.
Persona | 10.21.07 - 9:17 pm | #

have mingled the holy race with the peoples around them

Reading comprehension. They are talking about the Jewish people here, which is hardly a race in the modern sense of the word. Most translations make it "holy seed" not holy race.
Larry | 10.21.07 - 9:17 pm | #

Larry, I like you ... but you are stretching and grasping.


No, you are, there is no concept in scripture as broad as "race", no matter how badly you and WLW wants there to be.
Larry | 10.21.07 - 9:19 pm | #

Wow, WLW. You sure are a fine specimen of a White, Greco-Christian anti-Semitic Bigot!

By the way, just read Paul Johnson's first chapter "The History of Christianity", and his erudite research will prove you wrong about the "Greek origins" of Christianity. Of course, you can call him a Communist Jew, and be done with it.

(He does says that the Hellenic tradition was a tool/compliment for Western (European) Christianity to flourish.)

You also have to look at American Christianity, which to my understanding looked upon the continent as a new Jerusalem, as in the New Chosen People. By the way, other cultures have also taken on that symbol. So how do you reconcile that one?
Kidist | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 9:19 pm | #

Larry pick up Bartlett's translation of the Septuagint and "ethnos" is translated as RACE! Ethnos in other Classical texts are translated as RACE as well!!!!!

Get over it Larry. Race exists! Race will always exist!

Benjamin Disraeli, a Christianized Jew, even said;

""All is race - there is no other truth" (page 106)

"The difference of race is one of the reasons why I fear war may always exist; because race implies difference, difference implies superiority, and superiority leads to predominance."

Hey, Mx READ THE WHOLE THREAD! before you make stupid comments. I have been pointing this out from my very first post on this thread!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 9:24 pm | #

Paul Johnson can .... He is a politically correct (read commie) academic! How about Kidist you read, "Plato's Gift to Christianity".
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 9:25 pm | #

Hey kidist That is "Homophobic, Sexist, Male Chauvinist Pig, Anti-Semitic, Anti-Hamatic, European supremacist, Monarchist, Racist, Greco-Christian Bigot" to you. Please get it right!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 9:28 pm | #

Well, carry on Larry. A race of Holy Peoples. A race seperated by others chosen by God to be a holy people.

Any way you want to name it.

Your mixing up your race with humankind.
Persona | 10.21.07 - 9:29 pm | #

race [ rayss ] (plural rac·es)


noun

Definition:

1. group of humans: one of the groups into which the world's population can be divided on the basis of physical characteristics such as skin or hair color


2. fact of belonging to group: the fact of belonging to a group of humans who share the same physical features such as skin color
an attempt to end discrimination on grounds of race


3. humankind: humanity considered as a whole
the fate of the race


4. biology strain of organism: a genetically distinct population within a species that may also be geographically isolated


5. wine distinctive taste of wine: the distinctive taste of a wine, by which its grape variety or region of origin can be identified.
Persona | 10.21.07 - 9:33 pm | #

Paul Johnson can .... He is a politically correct (read commie) academic!

LOL.
Kidist | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 9:35 pm | #

The Jews were a distinct peoples, seperated from all other ... peoples ... races ... nations ... BUT ... they were still a part of humankind.
Persona | 10.21.07 - 9:36 pm | #

Who is the mentor of JK Rowling? It is Jessical Mitford!

Who is this Mitford?

"Jessica and her siblings grew up in an aristocratic country house set-up not unusual for its time, with a tradition of noblesse oblige, emotionally distant parents, a large household with many servants, and a disregard for formal education. Girls were expected to marry young and well. Though her sisters Unity and Diana were well-known British supporters of Hitler and her father was described as being "one of nature's fascists," Jessica renounced her privileged background at an early age and became an adherent of communism.

"In May 1961 she travelled to Montgomery, Alabama while working on an article about Southern attitudes for Esquire. While there, she and a friend went to meet the arrival of the Freedom Riders and became caught up in a riot when a mob led by the Ku Klux Klan attacked the civil rights activists. After the riot, Mitford proceeded on to a rally at a church led by Martin Luther King, Jr.. This too was attacked by the Klan and Mitford spent the night barricaded inside the church with the civil rights group until the violence was ended by the National Guard.

During this period, her daughter, Constancia Romilly, became the companion of the African-American activist James Forman, by whom she had two sons, James Robert Lumumba Forman and Chaka Esmond Fanon Forman.

Wheeler, where do you get the energy?

You're really spun up by these Harry Potter books!
thimscool | 10.21.07 - 9:50 pm | #

This thread is totally awesome.
thimscool | 10.21.07 - 9:50 pm | #

Now do you know why she has made Dumbledore Gay? Why she outed him? Why she even went thru this charade?

Of Course her characters will all be progressive ideals---the homo, the half-blood, the race-mixing, the anti-bigotry message, the Hufflepuffs?

Notice the word 'Hufflepuffs'? 'Puff' is British slang for a homosexual! Duhh...

And what is it about Hufflepuffs?

"Hufflepuff, "I'll teach the lot,
And treat them just the same."

"Hey, Mx READ THE WHOLE THREAD! before you make stupid comments. I have been pointing this out from my very first post on this thread!"

Nothing personal, but every time you speak, you make yourself look more and more like a dumbass. Wheeler, you haven't shown me a single reason to believe that she, herself, has personally written in communist propaganda into those books. All you've done is shout "COMMUNIST! COMMUNIST!" at every turn. Try listing some examples within the book that shows that she's promoting communism. I don't give a damn what J.K. Rowling personally believes, but if she's putting her supposedly communist beliefs in the HP books, I'd like some examples. And actual textual references are preferred.
m.x. | 10.21.07 - 9:54 pm | #

The Jews were a distinct peoples, seperated from all other ... peoples ... races ... nations ... BUT ... they were still a part of humankind.

The Jews are a separate nation or ethnicity, _not_ a race. Read your definitions again. The Jews were not different from the Canaanites on the basis of skin color or hair color or any other physical characteristic.
Larry | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 9:54 pm | #

"Zeal for thy house consumes me"
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 9:55 pm | #

"What has been bolded IS communist ideology! "To treat them all the same" is Communist! No priviledge. No Nobility. No commoner must defer to the Aristocrat! NOOOOOO."

You've got to be joking. The books aren't claiming that nobody is better than anyone else, just look at the bloody characters! Harry is the best fighter in the school, Hermione is the smartest, Dumbledore was one of the most powerful wizards in history, Moody was one of the best aurors, and so on! So yeah, Wheeler, there is privilege, and with that, power, but there is also responsibility and an acceptance that everything can be taken away in an instant, which Harry understood. You really are determined to hate the series, and while I couldn't care less if somebody didn't like it just because it wasn't there type, you're looking for things that just aren't there. Oh and by the way: every single one of the characters I listed was a Gryffindor, not a Hufflepuff! Hufflepuff almost never got any attention, it's always focused on the Gryffindors, the brave ones, not the Hufflepuffs which are the so-called "tolerant" ones.
m.x. | 10.21.07 - 10:02 pm | #

...which is hardly a race in the modern sense of the word.
Larry | 10.21.07 - 9:17 pm | #

Well Larry, you are just a modern man. I am sure you will do well in the modern ... I mean ... New World Order and the Brave New World.



No Larry, it is not "christianity" that is destroying America. It is the lost American cultural values that has been replaced with MULTI-CULTURALISM ... the MINGLING OF THE RACES ... MULTI-CULTURALISM ... which is destroying christiandom in America.

Roll that around in your head for awhile. It is secret code ... so it might escape you.

Heck, even people think that you can make a book with magic and sorcery, call up the dead and hocus pocus and call it ... "christian". I mean ... MULTI-CULTURALISM.
Persona | 10.21.07 - 10:03 pm | #

hich is destroying christiandom in America.

Christendom by definition, included more than America. Christendom is either already dead or dieing. It should not be revived as it was often rather un-Christian. As is thinking that some people bear less of the image of God than others.
Larry | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 10:09 pm | #

Well Mx, I've spent some 35 years reading up on communism and what it is. I can't answer your question in a single post on a thread.

When I was young MX, and I didn't know how to spell a word, I would go to my mother, and she would say---"Look it up in the dictionary". If I needed any information, She handed my the encyclopaedia.

I had to do my own work.

Well, MX if you don't know--then start researching it yourself--YOU DO the research---You do the reading.

I will give you hints:

Read copious amounts of articles from the John Birch Society.

Read the Communist Manifesto your self by Karl Marx.

Read about the Russian Revolution.

Read about Weimar Germany.

Google Communism itself.

Read the book, "Elements of Socialism" (1925)

Read the book, "Liberty or Equality" by Erik von Kuenhelt-Leddihn.

Read the "Dispossesed Majority"

Read old Catholic documents against communism.

Read about Antonio Gramsci.

Read George Orwell, Ayn Rand, etc.

Read anti-communist tracts!

YOU do the research MX and find out for yourself---You do the work. Learn about your human environment and human history! Teach yourself. Go look it up.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 10:11 pm | #

The Jews are a separate nation or ethnicity, _not_ a race. Read your definitions again. The Jews were not different from the Canaanites on the basis of skin color or hair color or any other physical characteristic.
Larry | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 9:54 pm | #


Come on Larry. You are grasping.

Stand me next to Asians, Africans, Pacific Islanders, Idians and etc. ... it would be easy to determine what race I belong to.

Ummmmm ... Larry? Have you ever met a "Canaanite"? Ever seen one? How about a Amalekite? How about aaaaaaa ... Egyptian?
Persona | 10.21.07 - 10:15 pm | #

"YOU do the research MX and find out for yourself---You do the work. Learn about your human environment and human history! Teach yourself. Go look it up."

Alright, I'll make it simple: give me ONE textual example where she promotes communism; I've already answered the Hufflepuff dilemma you have. Don't dodge the question, Wheeler, it's not that hard, considering we are dealing with a children's book.
m.x. | 10.21.07 - 10:23 pm | #

If you go to the Wikipedia article on Jessica Mitford, the commie you will see a jacket cover of her autobiography.

Now, JK Rowling herself admits, "She read Every book of Mitford's". Well, what is on the cover of Mitford's autobiograghy?

Why the Hammer and the Sickle the symbol of Russian Communism!!! Does this make sense now! Of course Dumbledore is gay, I am a bit taken back that good ol' Harry Potter and Ron Weasley weren't planting kisses on each other!

To attack the dominant social order which is Christian which forbids homosexuality is communist strategy! The deconstruction of Christendom's values and teachings is what communism does! Outing Dumbledore or even creating him homo, is Communist methodology! Anything that attacks and destroys the Old Order is commie.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 10:23 pm | #

Here for you MX: (This was also posted earlier but since YOU CAN'T F#t%$t READ)

Let me repeat this::::::

"Blood purity is a central concept in the Harry Potter series of books by J. K. Rowling.

"Wizards who have four magical grandparents are known as pure-blood[citation needed]; those who have one or more Muggle (non-magical) grandparents are known as half-blood[citation needed]. Those with two Muggle parents are known as Muggle-born, or, pejoratively, as "Mudblood". Among pure-blooded families, a division exists between those who accept and appreciate those of mixed or Muggle parentage, such as the Weasley family, and those who consider such people inferior, such as the Malfoy and Gaunt families[citation needed]. A blood traitor is a derogatory term employed by the latter group for a pure-blood who fails to maintain the proper prejudices against non-pure-bloods (i.e., people who enjoy the company of and/or help Muggles and Muggle-borns). This label has been applied to the Weasley family[citation needed], Sirius Black[citation needed], and Merope Gaunt[citation needed]

Pure-blood supremacists consider blood purity a measurer of a wizard's magical ability[citation needed]; this is not the case, however[citation needed]. Hermione Granger, for example, is Muggle-born, yet she is consistently at the top of her class, and is by all accounts a highly-skilled witch[citation needed]. It is especially true when one considers that some of the most powerful characters are half-bloods (Voldemort[citation needed], Severus Snape[citation needed] and Albus Dumbledore[citation needed].

The establishment and maintenance of pure-blood dominion over the wizarding world is the prime motivation for many of the series's evil characters[citation needed]. As critic Colleen O'Brien notes, the wizards who see themselves as superior because of their heritage, are the books' villains, while Harry Potter and his friends disagree with this ideology.[1]

Larry, you must have your head in the sand. The christian faith is dying in America. You can tell. The fruit of professing christians in America is becoming rather ... putrid. It is becoming ... luke warm ... and on the verge of being ... spit out. It is losing its ... saltiness. It is becoming a ... dried fig.

The christian HERITAGE and CULTURE in America is being destroyed. Haven't you noticed? Because ... they lack wisdom and knowledge and have been replaced with MULTI-CULTURALISM.
Persona | 10.21.07 - 10:26 pm | #

Larry, this "As is thinking that some people bear less of the image of God than others is the communist interpretation of the Old Order. No one says that! Racialism is as old as the hills. It is in cow herds, it is in all herd animals and humans are also herd animals. There is Hierarchy every where Larry.

See, this "thinking that some people bear less of the image of God than others" is the communist interpretation of Hierarchy but Hierarchy and Supremancy doesn't even intimate that. You and your commie buddies just read that into it because you want to degrade and nullify Hierarchy!

The whole cosmos including the Godhead are infused with Hierarchy! To keep one's place where God put you is the challenge!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 10:31 pm | #

The christian faith is dying in America.

No, it isn't, it is merely changing. "MULTI_CULTURALISM" is actually the original environment of the church, and the church thrived in it.
Larry | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 10:31 pm | #

"It is ALL COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA! And those who don't "have sufficient bigotry" well those are "Blood traitors" and are on the "good side"!"

The damn series is against arrogance and pride! Most of the bad guys are half-bloods anyway (or so various characters have admitted), and even the main antagonist is a half-blood! Almost all of the good guys are purebloods (and they eventually end marrying fellow purebloods!), so if she really wanted to fully promote communism, why not make every character a half-blood or muggleborn? Oddly enough, she doesn't!
m.x. | 10.21.07 - 10:33 pm | #

The Orthodox Church has always made national churches Larry. It does NOT operate like the Roman Catholic church that refuses to set up national patriarchies because it sees itself as some sort of Tower of Babel itself in its Universalist Power.

Christianity is for all races Larry but that doesn't mean that nations are destroyed. Christianity is about Life--Not death. Roman Catholicism has always taught the importance and obedience to the Natural Law. Early Christianity was not about undermining the Natural Law. Even though the Gospel is preached to all the Gospel does not override the customs and laws found in each nation that is in conformity with right reason and revelation!

Larry, you are confusing many things together to make Christianity into some kind of progressive socialist ideology and that is NOT what Christianity is! Sorry.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 10:37 pm | #

Larry, you are confusing many things together to make Christianity into some kind of progressive socialist ideology and that is NOT what Christianity is! Sorry.

If you had a clue as to what Christianity truly was, this might concern me. But since you are simply a heretic and blasphemer (as well as being a certifiable loon), it doesn't bother me a bit.
Larry | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 10:41 pm | #

She needed villians and the villians ARE:::::

"As critic Colleen O'Brien notes, the wizards who see themselves as superior because of their heritage, are the books' villains..."

"As critic Colleen O'Brien notes, the wizards who see themselves as superior because of their heritage, are the books' villains..."

"As critic Colleen O'Brien notes, the wizards who see themselves as superior because of their heritage, are the books' villains..."

"As critic Colleen O'Brien notes, the wizards who see themselves as superior because of their heritage, are the books' villains..."

"As critic Colleen O'Brien notes, the wizards who see themselves as superior because of their heritage, are the books' villains..."

"As critic Colleen O'Brien notes, the wizards who see themselves as superior because of their heritage, are the books' villains..."

Let me make it more clearer for you MX since you are obviously clueless about Ideology and how ideology forms man's actions:

"Democracy is the road to socialism." Karl Marx

"Democracy is indispensable to socialism." Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

"Modern Socialism is inseperable from political democracy." Elements of Socialism, pg 337.

"The view that democracy and Socialism are inwardly related spread far and wide in the decades which preceded the Bolshevist revolution. Many came to believe that democracy and Socialism meant the same thing, and that democracy without Socialism or Socialism without democracy would not be possible." Socialism, Ludwig von Mises, pg 67.

"A democracy likes a large mass and hates all divisions."

Here is a diagram for you MX on all the currents of thought, of ideology, that fueled the rise of National Socialism in Germany:

http://www.msnusers.com/TheDoric...Photo& PhotoID=3

And this diagram:

http://www.msnusers.com/TheDoric...Photo& PhotoID=1

Do you MX understand all the persons, and things mentioned in those diagrams? Do YOU? Because if you don't, you are way over your head!

Until you can understand the meaning of why those people and ideas are in those diagrams, you don't have a F$#%@#$ clue! There is a LOT to know! And until you start reading and understanding, you will never be educated!

Just look at the complexity and the myriad of influences that went into National Socialism. Do you understand any of it MX?
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 10:56 pm | #

Sheesh, Wheeler, do you ever run out of steam?
Crystal Lake | 10.21.07 - 11:15 pm | #

Communism is a leveller ideology. Communism is a democratic ideology. Communism and democracy go hand in hand.

Wow, something I agree with Wheeler about.

It is in cow herds, it is in all herd animals and humans are also herd animals.

Humans aren't animals.

You and your commie buddies just read that into it because you want to degrade and nullify Hierarchy!

Are you serious? I highly doubt that Larry has "communist" buddies.

The whole cosmos including the Godhead are infused with Hierarchy! To keep one's place where God put you is the challenge!

Luckily enough, we have the scripture and the Ruach to tell us where the hierarchy goes, and not the vain philosophies of men.
Crystal Lake | 10.21.07 - 11:26 pm | #

What you don't seem willing to appreciate is that even though we can admit that morals are relative to time, place and person, the person can still argue that their's is the best course of action or opinion or set of morals. (Pinotopolis)

Sure, they can say "my morals are the best," but they have no basis for this.

Let me ask you this, if you're still posting in this bloated thread: When you encounter a moral outlook, how do you decide whether it is better or worse than others? By what criteria do you argue that your morals are superior to, for example, the Aardvark's?

Now, I'm guessing you will say something on the lines of, "I judge them based on my own values and experiences," but this is the very problem. If morality is relative, then other peoples' morals should be different from yours. It would be nonsensical for someone else to subscribe to your moral outlook because they are not you. Therefore, you can't tell someone that their moral beliefs or choices are inferior to yours.

Well, you are physically capable of telling them that their morals are inferior, of course, but to do so requires you to contradict your own position.
Shild | 10.21.07 - 11:33 pm | #

This just in...

Dumbledore--

Still gay.

hahaha..but Aardvark!! Dumbledore is merely a product of a Jewish mind. All homosexual normalization is the vile Jewish mind at work trying to subvert the natural order!!

Thus, speaketh WLW, the Hamanite.
Crystal Lake | 10.21.07 - 11:35 pm | #

""A democracy likes a large mass and hates all divisions."

"No man on earth who conscientiously opposes either you or any other organized democracy, and flatly prevents a great many wrongs and illegalities from taking place in the state to which he belongs, can possibly escape with his life" 31 e {also see 28 a-b} edited by Edith Hamilton

""Outraged at the brutalities of the Republicans, aided by the Russians, in the Spanish Civil War, he (Jesuit Enrico Rosa) deplored the fact that hundreds of the clergy had been murdered; religious buildings had been burned; nuns raped; priests mutilated."

"...the wizards who see themselves as superior because of their heritage, are the books' villains..."

And you Crystal are judeochristian heretic a part of the Synagogue of Satan!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.21.07 - 11:49 pm | #

Anybody that was superior---was killed.

Well, as the Nietchzeans of Andromeda fame would say: "then they must not have been superior".

You want to talk "natural order", WLW. Only the strong, the superior, survive.

Socrates says in Plato's Apology:

Referencing the heathen philosophies again..incorrigible.
Crystal Lake | 10.21.07 - 11:51 pm | #

You just keep digging yourself in deeper, WLW.
Crystal Lake | 10.21.07 - 11:58 pm | #

Sorry, if 11:58 pm wasn't clear, but a particular scripture in Matthew came to mind upon reading the above accusation and reflecting upon the many things WLW has written in this thread:

How are you able to speak what is good - being wicked? For the mouth speaks from the overflow of the heart. The good man brings forth what is good from the good treasures of his heart, and the wicked man brings forth what is wicked from the wicked treasure.

And I say to you that for every idle word men speak, they shall give an account of it in the day of judgment.

For by your words you shall be declared righteous, and by your words you shall be declared unrighteous

---

WLW, you've been writing effusively in this board. I hope your spoken words are not of such...quality. For your sake, because I recall another scripture that says that where words are many, sin is not absent.

I can attest to that from personal experience, actually.
Crystal Lake | 10.22.07 - 12:09 am | #

Is this what it's like listening to folks in an asylum?

Dude, you're nuts. Funny, but nucking futs.
Michael Maier | Homepage | 10.22.07 - 12:21 am | #

No, people in an asylum make more sense. *s*
Crystal Lake | 10.22.07 - 12:23 am | #

We libertarians can take comfort that, while we may never get the government we seek... we have a heck of a lot better chance of that than Wheeler does. I mean the man wants Prince Charles to be our King for heaven sakes, he might as well call for Paris Hilton to be our queen. And at least her capacity as a drama queen carries more responsibility than Charles' job does these days.
Ben-El | 10.22.07 - 12:35 am | #

J.K. Rowling announces that Dumbeldore has been seeking help at Exodus Ministries.
bethyada | Homepage | 10.22.07 - 1:43 am | #

;^) The really bad news is...

Paul Johnson is Roman Catholic.

...AND a ripping good read.
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.22.07 - 2:02 am | #

Feh...Haloscum won't do a smile...
The Aardvark | Homepage | 10.22.07 - 2:04 am | #

Wheeler, do you work? Geez.

Anyway...I reckon put in my lowly two pence.

Communism is basically a democratic movement; it is a mass movement that does away with all hierarchy, with all nobility (by killing them) and all superiority.

It does NOT do away with social hierarchy, Wheeler. It merely cuts out the middle. The commoners are not suddenly elevated in their respective stature and social hierarchy in a communist country. They remain peons and the "aristocracy," as it were, at least the ones in alignment with the communist dogma, remain aristocrats, only that in this case they are communist aristocrats (elites), rather than monarchists or republican aristocrats (elites). Sometimes, it's the contemporary "aristocrats" or elitists in a given country who are the movers and shakers and architects attempting to bring about a collectivist/egalitarian society in the first place. They're not always, or even mostly, born out of violent revolutions and sudden coups d'état, after all.

And it's the middle class (bourgeoisie) that's squeezed out of existence. The rest of the social hierarchy remains in place for the most part.

Communism and democracy are based on egalitarianism. Egalitarianism is the basis of democracy for it treats, {just like the verse for the Hufflepuffs}, "all persons the same"!

Sigh, of course ALL persons are treated the same, since except for the communist "aristocrats" (elites), they are all ghetto and barrio commoners as the middle class is destroyed or at best neutered to the point of irrelevancy.

Wheeler, I understand a minuscule bit of what you say, or what you've said (I should say), in past threads, especially as pertains the culture, but I've always disagreed with your notion of HOW the cultural rot has come about.

It's not because of the J.K. Rowlings, the Hollyweird "fab" scabs and fairies, the media marionettes who reliably spew totalitarian dogma on cue, and any other Gramscian strategists at work. Rather, it's because the vast majority of the people up and down the social hierarchy cannot discern the Truth from error anymore. As you mentioned to m.x., the people themselves have to be educated and find out for themselves whether a given philosophy or view is valid. They don't bother doing that anymore; they're too lazy, too busy, too tired, too fat and happy (for the moment), or a combination of excuses thereof.

If the people would adequately self-govern themselves rather than depending on the public skew system and media-promoted and self-proclaimed "experts" to explain anything and everything - from the types of foods one should eat to how to raise ones own children and everything in between - to them as if they were ignorant infantile children themselves, this culture and, thereby, the country would be vastly different.

You also seem to believe that there are unchanging delineations within a given social hierarchy. As if someone who is an aristocrat, always an aristocrat; someone who is a poor commoner, always a poor commoner. No, just as God elevates one, He can also bring them down to size, like He did to Nebuchadnezzar, and vice-versa.
dixiedog | 10.22.07 - 2:17 am | #

A man is defined by his actions, not some after the fact declaration by the Author. If the character was truly gay there would have been a defining act in the books. Can anyone name one? Besides all that, the lady's Scottish, they have a dry wit like the british.
Orlok | 10.22.07 - 8:34 am | #

We're gonna hafta put Wheeler on a sugar and carb-free diet for awhile.
Maybe the protein will heal his rather obvious brain damage.
Galt-in-Da-Box | Homepage | 10.22.07 - 9:18 am | #

"Now, I'm guessing you will say something on the lines of, "I judge them based on my own values and experiences," but this is the very problem. If morality is relative, then other peoples' morals should be different from yours. It would be nonsensical for someone else to subscribe to your moral outlook because they are not you. Therefore, you can't tell someone that their moral beliefs or choices are inferior to yours."

If this is the case then you need to explain away the concept of "opinion".

For example, what's wrong with this:

I believe X. You believe Y. In my opinion X is more Z because of ABC.

When we are dealing with morals, faith, beliefs and opinions, you are going to end up with these kinds of arguments. For example: "Adultery is immoral (wrong) always. There is nothing that makes this claim an objective fact. If you believe adultery is OK and I believe it isn't, we'll present our reasons. But none of those reason will include, "it's an objective fact that adultery is good or bad because we are talking about belief and opinion.

You're reasons for saying adultery is good may be more convincing than my reasons for saying it is wrong to a particular person or crowd. But we are still in the land of subjective and we are still criticizing a particular position.
Pinotopolis | 10.22.07 - 10:22 am | #

>Some people ARE F#@$%#@ better than others!!!! Get over it!

You're right. Some people are better than others. My children will have mixed blood and will be far, far better than you.
Ellis | 10.22.07 - 10:29 am | #

The first few hundred years of christian "culture" was predominantly "eastern".

Western/European influence greatly altered, and from the easter point of view, diluted (if not polluted) it.

The fundamental differences between eastern and western christianity are even more apparent today for anyone willing to observe and understand. Most choose to assume and misunderstand.
Patrick Kelly | 10.22.07 - 11:21 am | #

Apparently he did cruise orphanages looking for young boys to bring to Hogwarts.

Well, Dumbledore was the only one that instilled fear into Tom Riddle. Now we know why!?!
Mark in OC | Homepage | 10.22.07 - 1:31 pm | #

Dude, Wheeler is freaking awesome. I hope my keyboard will be okay after I sprayed Earl Grey all over it.

He is the looniest commentator evah.
Josh | Homepage | 10.22.07 - 2:06 pm | #

I count 98 posts by wheeler.

I'm gonna call him BenFranklin because that mo-fo is the Post-Masta!
Josh | Homepage | 10.22.07 - 2:08 pm | #

Dude, Wheeler is freaking awesome. I hope my keyboard will be okay after I sprayed Earl Grey all over it.

I've been told they're dishwasher safe, as long as you make sure they're well dried out before you plug them in, but I haven't tried it myself.
Larry | Homepage | 10.22.07 - 2:17 pm | #

Re: Pinotopolis | 10.22.07 - 10:22 am | #

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I think that we're pretty much in agreement hear, since your post is almost a restatement of the point I made in my 10.21.07 - 10:34 am post. In any case, it excludes exclusivist/moralistic pronouncements like the one you directed at the Aardvark earlier.

Now that you've conceded defeat, I'm satisfied.
Shild | 10.22.07 - 4:39 pm | #

Wheeler, the concept of a God's incarnate wisdom (a hypostasis) can be derived directly from Jewish thought.

Your reference to Sirach would be interesting, if you didn't misrepresent him.

He was saying that each beast had his kind as does man i.e. that human beings had human beings.
Jason | Homepage | 10.22.07 - 7:33 pm | #

He is the looniest commentator evah.

Yeah..WND should set up a commentator section for Wheeler entitled "Dispatch from Daffy Duck"
Crystal Lake | 10.22.07 - 8:10 pm | #

What is Communism?

When the word "communism" is mentioned, most people think it deals solely with econonics; that there is no private property, the state owns all property. It is the antithesis of capitalism.

Well, not many people I guess are aware of the other side of Communism--its social policy. Communism has two sides, and economic side and a cultural/social side.

A hint of this cultural/social side of communism can be seen in its other name: i.e. "INTERNATIONAL SOCIALISM".

Why is communism called "International Socialism"?

The Goal of Communism is do away with Nation-states and replace all with One World Government! And why does it want to do away with Nation-states? For the sake of establishing Perpetual Peace! (Elements of Socialism). This is the Ultimate Goal of Communism. It is goal of Tikkun Olam---"Fixing the World".

In the book, One World (published by One World Publishing Co, Notre Dame, Ind. 1984), John C. Kiang traces this movement to socialism:

"As far as world unity is concerned, Marx and Engels were the pioneers who expounded that modern industry had furnished a real foundation for a world unity, and declared not only that “working men have no country,..."

"Communists are further reproached with desiring to abolish countries and nationalities. (Pg 248-9)

"In this declaration Marx and Engels claimed that the struggle of the workers was international in essence. National differences, they pointed out, were being wiped out by the development of free trade, by the growth of a world market, and by the increasing uniformity of industrial and social conditions. The workers in particular were being denationalized by modern industry, and had no fatherland." (pg 248)

"Modern Socialism is essentially international".(page 202)
"The State is not 'abolished'. It dies out." (page 213)

This is what it's all about: John Kiang wrote another book called One World: The Approach to Permanent Peace on Earth and the General Happiness of Mankind : A Popular Manifesto With Scholarly Annotations

This is the purpose to which all things in the political realm are delving into! These people, the Enlightenment, the Humanists, readers of the Kabbala, and the Jews in their Tikkun Olam are all seeking to Re-make the World according to them. They are seeking the destruction of the Old Order. They seek to re-make the Natural Order that God Created!

To do this they are going to destroy Nations, tribes, races, ethnicities! This is why "bigotry" is attacked!

What is bigotry and racism really? All men have implanted in them a Belonging and its opposite Volkenhass. The sense of Belonging and Volkenhass are the Glue that keeps races/nations/ethnicities together. Destroy belonging and volkenhass---and you destroy race!

This is the agenda. JK Rowling is a part of this process of deconstructionism. She is teaching communist morality with her books. Like a typical woman, she has no understanding of the real world nor does she care, she is teaching her "good intentions" which really is political correctness, which is communism. She has been trained in Communist morality and group think by Jessica Mitford and her books exhibit this!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.22.07 - 8:26 pm | #

I want to show you people what the Jews are about, how they think, and their agenda for us and the correlation to the agenda of communism be dissecting just one quote from Benjamin Disraeli quoted earlier in this thread.

"The difference of race is one of the reasons why I fear war may always exist; because race implies difference, difference implies superiority, and superiority leads to predominance."

"The first few hundred years of christian "culture" was predominantly "eastern".

But the great flowering of Christianity happened in the West-In Western Europe!

If you are talking about the Byzantine Empire---the citizens of the Byzantine Empire were Greeks and Greeks are a Western People. The New Testament is written in Greek! Greek is an Indo-European Language and the Greeks are a Western Race. The Greeks are the founders of Western Culture and Western civilization.

If you look at Christianity in the East--it has always been mired in heresy; for example the Nestorians. Christianity is the East is seldom orthodox! Only the Western mind can keep Christianity Ortho-doxa!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.22.07 - 9:01 pm | #

God in Genesis planted enmity in the world! God planted enmity between the seed of the woman and the seed of the devil! Enmity is part and parcel of the Temporal Order! There will ALWAYS be strife.

If you read quotes on peace, many smart intellectuals have noted the dangers of peace!

Nature is full of dichotomies! That is a fact! You can't have one without its opposite! Can you have males without females? How can you have Peace without War!

See, the Jew is not a philosophical race---They are not philosophers! They never think of this! They are not students of the Natural Order/Temporal Order!

One must have Peace AND War. Good doesn't exist without Evil. One must have the contrary in order to know its positive.

In order to bring about peace---they must destroy race and bring man "to his fullest evolutionary stage" of One World Government!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.22.07 - 9:08 pm | #

The whole cosmos revolves around the principle of the Golden Mean. This is encapsulated in a laconic saying engraved on the Doric Temple of Delphi:

"Nothing too much"

At VFR, Lawerence Auster has published a short expose of the French President Sarkozy written by Tiberge, blogger of Galliawatch.

Sarkozy is Jewish!

We are talking on this Thread about the "Blood Purity" and how this is a major theme in the Harry Potter Series.

Tiberge records Sarkozy's words on Race:

"During a trip to Africa last July Sarkozy gave an incoherent, or at least cryptic, speech in Dakar, Senegal that goes down in history as the "Discours de Dakar." In the speech he denounced (racial) purity as tantamount to the greatest evil in the world."

""Young people of Africa, European civilization was wrong to believe itself superior to that of your ancestors, but henceforth European civilization belongs to you too."

"Young people of Africa, do not yield to the temptation of purity because it is a sickness, a sickness of the intelligence, and the most dangerous thing in the world.
Young people of Africa, do not cut yourself off from what enriches you, do not amputate a part of yourself. Purity is a confinement, purity is intolerance. Purity is a fantasy that leads to fanaticism.

The problem with Africa is that too often it judges the present in relation to the purity of its origins which are totally imaginary and that no one can hope to revive.

The challenge for Africa is that of all civilizations, all cultures, all people who want to keep their identity without confining themselves because confinement is fatal.

Civilizations are great insofar as they participate in the great diversity of the human spirit.

“We remain a hunted people. Now you think you have a destiny to fulfill in the land that historically has been ours for forty thousand years. And we’re a new Mestizo nation.”

“Our devil has pale skin and blue eyes…”

“We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him.”
– Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, founder of La Raza

“Around the year 2040, whites will become a minority in the United States and, believe me, it will be ‘payback time’.”
- Pro-Immigration Activist, Jorge Sanchez

“And the one idea is, how we are going to exterminate white people because that in my estimation is the only conclusion I have come to. We have to exterminate white people off the face of the planet to solve this problem.”
- African Studies professor, Dr. Kamau Kambon

“Blond hair and blue eyes are a biological defect.”
“The white race is a disease, and the only cure is a bullet. The rule of whites is history. Soon they will be our serfs. It’s now the Age of the Brown Man.”
- Hindu nationalist, Ramesh Sharma

“The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists. Make no mistake about it we intend to keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females too, until the social construct known as ‘the white race’ is destroyed–not ‘deconstructed’ but destroyed.”

I'll take my cue from someone above. I didn't read any more of Wheeler's posts. I just counted exclamation marks.

90 so far in the last eight posts. I may have missed a couple...but, there you have it.
Crystal Lake | 10.22.07 - 11:34 pm | #

"Now that you've conceded defeat, I'm satisfied.
Shild "

Is that really the best you have?
::::::sigh:::::::::

Ok....
Pinotopolis | 10.23.07 - 1:29 am | #

On the USA Today Life Section is a blurb in the sidebar about "Potter fans discuss Dumbledore news".

Here is the pertinent sentence:

"Mellissa Anelli, Webmaster of the Cauldron (that is the Leaky Cauldron, one of two of the most popular Potter websites), told the Associated Press, "Jo Rowling calling any Harry Potter character gay would make wonderful strides in tolerance toward homosexuality."

Re: Pinotopolis | 10.23.07 - 1:29 am |

I guess I haven't quite grasped the subtle art of Internet humor.

Anyway, stripped of attempts to garner snickers from whoever's still around, What I am saying is this:

You have admitted that moral judgements are all subjective opinion, not objective facts, and you can't say that one moral outlook is objectively better than another. This is exactly what I have been trying to convince you to admit since you directed that offensive and baseless pronouncement of moral superiority against the Aardvark.

What is the point of trying to convince you to believe something if you already believe it?

Also, agreeing with me does not truly fall into the "defeat" category. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Shild | 10.23.07 - 9:17 am | #

For thousands of years of human existence, other than at the Tower of Babel, Man grouped himself by tribes. The Greeks have a saying, "Same Face, Same Race". Did the American Indians all congregate into one large seamless mass? NO. They all stayed and maintained their tribal identity for thousands of years! Man has done the same everywhere; in China, In India, In Africa, on the Pacific Islands, in Europe. Man has always segregated himself into his relations. One reason has been language. Volkenhass amongst men have prevented their coalescing for thousands of years.

For thousands of years, man has stayed in homogeneous groups. Man has ALWAYS PREFERRED homogeneous groups for thousands of years.

But since the advent of communism in just the last 200 years, we are faced with race-mixing.

It is in every movie now. The star lead Euro-man must have a Afro side-kick. Retailer's advertisements are always race-mixed. TV is full of race-mixing. Our sports teams are race-mixed. Our military units are race-mixed. Everywhere we turn we are confronted with a VISUAL ACCOUNT of race-mixing. Never mind actual miscegenation. Look at Star Trek; the cosmopolitian crew! Even before any miscegenation takes place, our media, overwhelmingly controlled by Jews, and we are being conditioned to not only accept but demand that our Media be race-mixed. We are confronted by it daily that we are forced to become accustomed to race mixing.

We now accept it as NORMAL and if minorities are NOT present in some media, we now consider it abnormal.

Our world has become topsy turvy. What once was natural is now unnatural and what was a long time ago considered strange is now normal.

Face it folks, you have accepted race-mixing already. It is a fait accompli. Mixed sports teams are now normal--- you already accept visual miscegenation---real miscegenation is then easy and normal!

The code word "diversity" is also a cultural marxist term. You already accept diverstiy. You accept multiculturalism. Multiculturalsim is NOT Western Culture but Marxist culture. This is the Universe of Harry Potter. Harry Potter is the first literature of Multiculturalism, not Western Culture. Harry Potter and Star Trek mark the death of Western Culture.

We all live in Marxist Culture.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.23.07 - 8:40 pm | #

"...difference implies superiority, and superiority leads to predominance."

What do you think happens every Weekend on a Football Field, Mr. Disraeli? UH?

Superiority of one Team shows itself and when it has the State Championship Trophy or the Superbowl ring----That Team HAS PREDOMINANCE.

What the hell goes on at a sports field?

The Predominance of a one team or one player!

Who had Games? The Greeks.

Because they always sought to be better, than the other in running, in throwing the javelin and the discus throw. The seeking of predominance, i.e. the Olympic games, is a Greek/Western Thing!

The Seeking of predominance is what a bad thing? It happens everywhere at all times.

Mr. Disraeli, Does NOT Cream rise to the top? Is that not part of the Natural Order?

Does not Fresh Water sit on top of Salt Water, Mr. Disraeli?

Does Oil and water mix Mr. Disraeli?

Mr. Disraeli, you stupid Jew, how many bulls in a cow herd? Does not ONE Bull gain predominance in a Cow Herd?

Mr. Disraeli, how many dominant pairs in a Wolf Pack, you stupid Jew?

Is there not always something dominant over others in the natural Order?

The Ancient Greek poets pointed out

"Tis meet that Greek should rule over Barbarian"

Shouldn't the superior rule over the inferior Mr. Disraeli? Should civilization rule over barbarian? Should Good rule over Evil? Should Intelligence rule over dumb? Should Male rule over female? Should Adult rule over child?

To these questions Disreali would say NO. Predominance is evil.

So I take it then that God should NOT rule over Man! This is the seat of rebellion! This is disorder.

Aristotle writes:

"Authority and subordination are conditions NOT ONLY Inevitable but also expedient; in some caces things are marked out from the moment of birt to rule or to be ruled. And the te are many varieties both of rulers and of subjects" Politics, 1251a 20f Loeb pg 19

"There is ALWAYS found a ruling and a subject factor".

It is either-or people. Either you are in authority, predominance, or you are in subjection! Either your Brain runs you or your organs. Either the Spirit rules your passions or your passions rule you!

All things are in either Authority or Subjection, and Mr. Disraeli the Jew hates this!

Just like some people are born to rule, some races are born to rule. This is ordained in the Natural Order! And in the Scriptures. Aristotle, like a typical Greek, like a typical Westerner, is aware and cognizant of the natural order. This principle is throughout the Natural and Spiritual Order!

The Jew on the other hand is ignorant of this. This is what the Jews are undermining with their communist ideology!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.23.07 - 9:08 pm | #

---

"The difference of race is one of the reasons why I fear war may always exist; because race implies difference, difference implies superiority, and superiority leads to predominance."

"As a German socialist journalist and statesman, he organized the Socialist Revolution that achieved the overthrow of the monarchy in Bavaria (in 1918). from Wikipedia

"His assassination resulted in the establishment of the Bavarian Soviet Republic and parliament and government fleeing Munich." from Wikipedia

Well, Well, Well, well wonders never cease!

Get this.

The Weekly Standard, run by a Jew Irving Kristol, which touts itself as a "Conservative Magazine" published an article titled "The Inventor of Modern Conservativism"

And who do you think they named as the Inventor of Modern Conservativism?

Think real hard folks!

Benjamin Disraeli

"Twice Prime minister of Great Britain, romantic novelist, inventor of modern conservatism--was a neocon in the plain sense of the word, a "new conservative" who began his career on the left.

"He was a statesman who remodeled Europe and a thinker who examined some of the hardest of all political, social, and philosophical questions: How should democratic government work, what does party politics mean, where do the Jews fit in?

"A Jewish writer who anguished over poverty, believed in democracy and condemned (in prophetic language) the evils of "exclusion"?

Although the 1832 reform did not establish democracy--it enlarged the franchise to a point where roughly one in five adult males could vote--it made clear that Britain was headed towards democracy and would get there eventually. Obviously no "rich man's party" can prevail in a democracy. However prosperous the nation, the rich are never a majority. The Tory party had to change or face slow, painful death as democracy came on strong.

"Disraeli believed in the second alternative. He wanted the Tories to care about poverty, favor democracy, be "inclusive," and hold the nation's traditions in deep romantic reverence--in other words, be just like him."

The conservative party is to favor democracy?????

When has conservativism been about democracy?

The first conservative in Western Culture was Socrates and Plato! The first name for the idea of conservativism in Greek was "misodemos"--hater of democracy!

The word "conservative" is a French word that was coined for the opposition of the French Revolution which was a democracy and now just 50 years after the French Revolution---conservatives are to be for "democracy"!!!!

How the word gets turned around! A conservative being for democracy is an oxymoron! A conservative would be the loyalists of the American Revolution! A conservative is a Rightist, hence a Monarchist! A conservative is for the Old Order--Kings, Royalty, Aristocracy! NOT for democracy!

Benjamin Disraeli is a Judas Goat! And what is democracy synonymous with? Socialism and Communism!

See the vectors!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.23.07 - 10:08 pm | #

This is a new one on me folks:

"Hard-headed but profoundly spiritual nationalism came naturally to him as a Jew, and turned out to be exactly the right basis for a new, progressive conservatism.

Who is the contempary of Benjamin Disraeli?

Karl Marx!

Both are Jews. Both became baptized Christians. Neither was baptized under "right" conditions. Marx's parents wanted to escape the restrictions of Christendom's rules and D'Israeli, father of Benjamin, angry at his synagogue, baptized his son.

Both lived in London.

Karl Marx is the founder of Communism, International Socialism.

Benjamin Disraeli is the founder of neo-conservatism.

What is the connection between the two?

Democracy and Socialism. Socialism is Democracy and Democracy is Socialism. They are one and the same.

What did the two advocate? Democracy! What the two advocate? the dissolution of race!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.23.07 - 11:22 pm | #

If it talks like a duck, and quacks like a duck,---it's a duck.

If you accept visual miscegnation,

If you accept that the Government mandated diversity laws for employers,

If you accept race-mixed sports teams,

If you accept race-mixed schools

If you accept race-mixed military units

You already are a communist.
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We went to fighting communism in the 60's from Korea and Vietnam, to fighting a war on the behalf of communist ideals; i.e. the Serbian War. Wesley Clark, quoted above, that there will be NO MORE ethnically pure states, is the reason we bombed Serbia.

We went from fighting communism to fighting communist wars---in the span of 20 years.

This is what you get with a creedal nation---creeds blow like the wind, And America, as typical of a creedal nation, changes its spots---America has NO permanency.

We live in a communist world.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.25.07 - 7:04 am | #

Race-mixing is Soul-mixing.

In the Bible there are blessings and there are curses. Where are the blessings and the curses laid upon?

Does anybody know?

On the Soul!

Some curses are permanent, some for a time. Some blessings are permanent, some for a time.

In Deuteronomy chapter 28, curses are laid upon the Hebrew people if they ever stop obeying, hearkening unto the Word of God. They rejected the Word of God, Jesus Christ, and the Curses of Deut. 28 have been laid upon them!

Those curses are laid upon the soul! They are a Mark upon the soul!

All Semites of the sons of Isaac fall under that curse. All Jews have that Curse upon them---that permanently resides upon them.

Any race that marries a Jew shares in that curse!

Why do we promote miscegenation?

In the book of Genesis, Ham, one of the sons of Noah, is cursed with being a slave! All the sons of Ham are cursed with slavery.

Any race that marries an African, shares in that curse!

Under Gresham's law, Bad drives out good. If you marry an accursed race, their bad curse becomes a part of the children! Bad drives out good!

In the book of Genesis, the other half of the Semitic Race, the Ismaelites, are also cursed. Ismaelites are cursed with being permanent antagonists to everyone about them! If one marries an Arab, his curse follows into the children!

The Asiatic people, I surmise, have the Curse of Cain! for the mark of Cain, is their slanted eyes.

All that marry into the Asiatic races, share in the curse.

What I find unbelievable is that the Church, is totally ingnorant on blessings and curses.

The only people not Cursed in the Bible are the Indo-Europeans, the Japthites. Why would Europeans marry accursed races, I have no clue. But these are the dangers of miscegenation! A race's curse falls into the children, and is a mark on the soul, just like the curse on the females is pain in childbearing which follows every human female soul!

And NO Christ's sacrifice DID NOT take away the curses! If it did, then why are women still punished by pain at childbirth?

Curses are real and they do exist, and they are attached to souls. You marry an accursed race, and the children will share in the curse!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.25.07 - 9:30 pm | #

What is Race?

Race/Tribe/Nationality/Ethnicity is the Golden Mean!

Say what?

Is not the Trinity the Golden Mean? Is not the Golden Mean a central fact of the Good in the Natural Order? Is not the Golden mean central to Virtue?

What is the excess of Mankind? One World Government.

What is the deficiency? Individualism or Anarchy.

What is the Golden Mean between One World Government and Individualism?

Race/Tribe/Nationality/Ethnicity.

Race, Tribe, Nationality, Ethnicity lie in the middle between the excess--One Large group called One world Government and the deficiency or no group called individualism or anarchy!

Race is the Golden Mean! God intended for Races. This is the reason why God ended the Tower of Babel! Race is the Golden Mean! God made tribes of man in Genesis Chapter 10. In Chapter 11, Man was created a superstate called the Tower of Babel---God destroyed the Tower of Babel and returned man to the design God intended Race!

See, the Devil wants complete control of the World. In many instances, the Devil tried to do that with Imperialism starting with the Sumerians, Babylonians, then the Pharoahs, then the Assyrians, then Alexander the Great, the Romans.

See, the act of race nation, tribes, prevents the devil from getting complete control. He can only get it partially; one at a time.

With the dissolution of race and all coalescing under a One World Government, a United Nations, the devil will have complete mastery over Mankind.

There is Great Wisdom why God created Races!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.25.07 - 11:05 pm | #

Here I will show you the paradigm of what goes on, The paradigm of Jewish supremacy once European monarchy is destroyed.

The example of Kurt Eisner is the archtype of this paradigm.

"On 7 November 1918, the anniversary of the Russian October Revolution, Kurt Eisner of the Independent Social Democratic Party of Germany (USPD) declared Bavaria a "free state" – a declaration which overthrew the monarchy of the Wittelsbach dynasty which had ruled for over 700 years. Eisner became Minister-President of Bavaria." fr Wikipedia

You know, I have to laugh now when I hear the reasons for the rise of National Socialism:

1. the anti-semitism of Christianity for all those years in Europe

2. Germans are a wicked race.

3. How in modern times, that the Germans regressed into barbarity

4. The Germans are demented

5. Europeans are sick

6. Race is the problem

7. Purity is the problem

One could go on and on and on of the myraid of reasons of why WWII and the rise of Adolf Hitler.

And it's like, "Out of the Blue" this happened. Like it was strange. That Europe is somehow intrinsically sick. That nationalism is the reason for it.

But where do all these answers come from? From a media that Jewish controlled? From a ton of liberal leftist academia, many Jewish.

What does the Bible say of the Jews, "That they will be blinded and astounded". In other words, they can't see straight. They're amused by shadows and think the shadows, their reading in accordance with their ideology.

But it is funny that all of these sources don't point to the numerous and ubiquitious Soviet Republics that sprouted everywhere in Germany after WWI. Who led these Soviet Republics?

Why it was Jewish communists!

What did Jewish communists teach?

Let's look at one--Rosa Luxemburg. Let's look at one of her writings posted at the Libertarian Communist Library titled "The Nationalities Question in the Russian Revolution".

"actually involve the most valuable and even indispensable foundations of socialist policy, whereas the famous "right of self-determination of nations" is nothing but hollow, bourgeois phraseology and humbug."

"How does it happen then, that in all these lands the counter-revolution suddenly triumphs? The nationalist movement, just because it tore the proletariat loose from Russia, crippled it thereby, and delivered it into the hands of the bourgeoisie of the border countries.

Instead of acting in the same spirit of genuine, international, class policy which they represented in other matters, instead of working for the most compact union of the revolutionary forces throughout the area of the Empire, instead of defending tooth and nail the integrity of the Russian Empire as an area of revolution and opposing to all forms of separatism the solidarity and inseparability of the proletarians in all lands within the sphere of the Russian Revolution as the highest command of politics, the Bolsheviks, by their hollow nationalistic phraseology concerning the "right of self-determination to the point of separation," have accomplished quite the contrary and supplied the bourgeoisie in all border states with the finest, the most desirable pretext, the very banner of the counter-revolutionary efforts. Instead of warning the proletariat in the border countries against all forms of separatism as mere bourgeois traps, they did nothing but confuse the masses in all the border countries by their slogan and delivered them up to the demagogy of the bourgeois classes. By this nationalistic demand they brought on the disintegration of Russia itself, pressed into the enemy's hand the knife which it was to thrust into the heart of the Russian Revolution.

"It is obvious that the phrases concerning self-determination and the entire nationalist movement, which at present constitute the greatest danger for international socialism, have experienced an extraordinary strengthening from the Russian Revolution and the Brest negotiations.

"For every action there is an equal and opposite reation."

Forgot the link to the Rosa's paper: http://libcom.org/library/nation...ution- luxemburg
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.26.07 - 12:09 am | #

What is the French President Nicholas Sarkozy? He is a traitor.

Well of course. If loyalty is not based on blood, then loyalty goes to a creed.

The French Republic is NOT an ethnic entity but a creedal nation. Nicholas Sarkozy doesn't have "loyalty" to his nation--but to a creed of multiculturalism!

Same with America! America is a creedal nation! One doens't have loyalty to the "people" one has loyalty to a "creed". Isn't that why all our politicos are for immigration and open borders? Their loyalty is the political correct creed. There is NO loyalty to people!

See being related, is a demand on loyalty. Where there is NO relationship, permanent and organic, there can be no loyalty! That is why there is loyalty of the leadership of Europe and America to their indigineous people but to the idea of multiculturalism!

Besides there is nothing concrete about "creeds" or "political ideologies", opinions change like the wind!

Blood doesn't change! Blood is permanent, unchanging! When a Monarch is a leader, he has a loyalty to his nation as a Father is loyal to his children--because he is related! It is his Blood! A Monarch would never dream of being disloyal!

On the other hand, leaders, politicos of creedal nations----HAVE NO CONNECTION, with the people! They are NOT blood! The reason they are there is NOT by Blood---but some ideological whim! And Whims change!

There is NO such thing as an "American Conscious". It was one thing yesterday, and another thing today! Creeds have NO permanence! It blows with the wind!

That is why YOU and our compatriots in Europe are being stabbed in the back! In creedal nations, loyalty lies with the ideology--not to your blood relatives!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.26.07 - 12:19 am | #

WLW is cuckoo for Cocoa-Puffs!
Ellis | 10.26.07 - 9:49 am | #

Here is Abe Foxman:

"So what to do about it? I can tell you what we do in the US, while recognizing that Israel is a different society. ADL developed model hate crime legislation, which prosecuted hate action (rather than hate speech). Our model was upheld by the US Supreme Court and is the basis for legislation in 45 states across the US.

"We have far-reaching education programs in the schools, for pre-school kids through high school and on the college campus, providing anti-bias training and teaching about the virtues of diversity."

"We work with law enforcement throughout the country to help them identify extremist groups and hate crimes and how to deal with these threats to society and to Jews in particular."

This is how Jews control European men and societies---The beat down of anybody that expresses solidarity with his own! You will live in a multicultural society, in communist society, and we have the police to ensure that you will like your death sentence!!!!

The rest of Abe Foxman's article is here: at the Civic Platform: "http://www.thecivicplatform.com/2007/10/26/ foxman-outlines-adls-us-agenda-what-we-do-in-the- us/

The original link is out of service at this time.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.26.07 - 8:31 pm | #

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The Leadership of modern republics is all ideological.

The French, American, British, Italian leadership of their respective modern republics/democracies is based on gaining leadership THRU ideology! You speak the right cant---you get the power of leading! The media is leftist and so it seeks IDEOLOGICAL PURITY!

Nicholas Sarkozy's loyalty is to his Ideology---not to some stupid people!

On the other hand, A Monarch's duty is to HIS people! He cares for them! A Monarch doesn't reign on the power of ideology---but on his Blood and his heritage! His Family's service to their tribe! His loyalty is NOT to ideology---but to his Tribe, to his Blood!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.26.07 - 8:37 pm | #

All evil is hypocritical!

Get this, I just stumbled upon something in the previous post---The Left has always had ----Ideological Purity!!!

Isn't that what Stalin and Lenin and Pol Pot, and Mao did---KILL because one did NOT have Ideological Purity!

Isn't that the basis of Rosa Luxemburg's argument is Ideological Purity!!!!

There will be Purity in the World! If there will be NO Blood purity! There WILL BE Ideological purity! See the shift from Blood to Ideology!

Man always seeks purity! Isn't that the drive behind Christian Orthodoxy and theology--the seeking of pure, right explanations of the Faith!

Isn't this what the Mensheviks and the Bolsheviks were fighting about in Moscow! Ideological purity---and ONE IS PUT TO DEATH in the Left if one doesn't have Ideological purity!

Notice in the National Socialist Party of Germany--there was NO ideological purity that there was a wide range of beliefs.

Not so in the communist party---you strayed mentally---you were shot!

Here you have JK Rowling attacking the idea of Blood Purity and her vision is directed by Jewish/communist concerns---but in the real life---it is ideological purity that is maintained--People are persecuted if you don't maintain diverstiy and anti-bias thoughts!

Racists, Racialists, bigots are removed from their jobs, penalized by society! These people, racists, supremacists, pro-european people, are against the Ideological Purity of the dominant Communist Culture!

No doubt many here would like to silence me---Must have Ideological Purity! Can't speak out on certain things! You cant be a racial bigot---but you can surely be a communist bigot!

Larry Summers was canned as President of Harvard for BEING NON-ideologically pure leftist--questioning women in science. He was removed for a thought Crime, a secular Jewish ideology.

Jimmy the Greek was canned from his job for offensive racial remarks.

Rush Limbaugh was canned for offensive racial remarks.

James Watson is fired from his own thinktank!

"James Watson has retired from the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory on Long Island, where he has been the leading figure since 1968.

This whole attack, this whole game of blood purity and attacking "bigotry" is nonsensical!

There is always bigotry! How come JK Rowling doesn't attack bigotry of Ideology! There is just as much bigotry of non-politically correct ideas and concepts than there is of blood!

But see blood bigotry is natural, organic, permanent, and God-ordained. Ideological purity is of communist-made, ungodly artifice.

If "Blood Purity" is so hateful, why isn't Ideological Purity so hateful?

Because the Human mind thinks in Logic, and Logic is pure or it doesn't work. Logic is Pure. Math is Pure. 2+2=4. That is pure. I would be bigoted against anyone that would say 2+2=5!

Logic is Pure. Math is Pure. Geometry is Pure.

Wisdom is Pure. Good is Pure.

Is not God Pure Himself? Is not Good Pure?

In order to oppose and counteract Communist ideology of de-racination--does not Logic dictate, that the blood purity of a nation be strengthened? How else to maintain National character? The National Soul!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.26.07 - 9:02 pm | #

If you look at the animal world---each species stays to itself--Giraffe with Giraffe, Lion with Lion, Wildebeast with Wildebeast. In the Wild, animals stay with their group; it's called Instinct. Instinct is there because God implanted it there. God created instinct. Instinct is like a DOS program; it directs the animals behavior.

On part of instinct is the act of smell, smell determines one's tribe in the animal world. One Lion pride is seperate from another lion pride. Wolf packs operate on smell as well.

Well, Humans don't have smell to the degree the rest of the animal world does. As was noted above, race/nation/tribe/ethnicity is the Golden Mean. It is the Plan of God.

Well, wouldn't God then implant a mechanism to hold race/nation/tribe/ethnicity together?

Yes, he would. God doesn't create a thing without tools to work with.

God implanted "Belonging" and "Volkenhass" in all people. Volkenhass is a way of maintaining borders. This is the purpose of Volkenhass. Volkenhass is about "maintaining the metaphysical boundaries of the human race" since smell is not of use for Humans.

It is natural for humans to seek their own. "To cleave to his like". This is normal.

What is "diversity"? Ever hear of "Diversity training"? Why? Because you must be socially conditioned to accept diversity!!! Diversity is abnormal--homogeneity is normal! What is going on in the media is social conditioning for Diversity!

This is why the politicos are for Open borders, immigration and all sorts of handouts to immigrants. Diverstiy is the Ideological goal! Not Nationalism.

Either you are for Diversity---Or you are a Nationalist. If you are a multiculturalist, you are against bigotry. If you are a nationalist--when then you MUST be a bigot! Bigotry and Nationalism go together!

Destroying bigotry--destroys nationalism. For it is bigotry that keeps the nations distinct; maintains the metaphysical boundaries of the tribal borders!

If God created Race, then God implanted also the mechanisms to maintain Race! To undermine the mechanism that maintains race, is to undermine Race itself!!!!!!!

Welcome to Communist Culture. Welcome to the Novus Ordo. The Novus Ordo IS Multiculturalism. The Novus Ordo is One World Government--The Nation dies; America is the Novus Ordo---Relentlessly pushing the Masonic/Jewish idea.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.27.07 - 9:05 am | #

Christendom is built on two Towers---Monarchy and the Roman Catholic Church.

These two barriers prevented the Rise of Jewish Power.

You f$#%#@$ idiots were decieved into destroying Monarchy and the Roman Catholic Church.

Now you are enlsaved to Jewish Power! Your ethnic identities are being erased--you are becoming mongrel children with no tribe to protect you! You have all been mongrelized, socially conditioned to accept what is abnormal.

Christendom is the product of natural organic growth. Christendom is what every Christian should strive for.

It says in the Bible: "God dwelleth with him who dwelleth in Wisdom".

What is Wisdom folks?

Wisdom is NOT ideology and ideology is NOT Wisdom! Wisdom is the "the knowledge of divine and human things and their causes". What is reality and how does Reality work?

Ideology answers none of this. Ideology is human sentiment that has NO connection to reality. Reality, i.e. the Natural Law, destroys all ideology! You can not abrogate the Laws of Nature and expect to live.

What did Adam fail to do?

Adam failed at obeying the law.

God put man on this earth to learn a lesson---obey the law and live---or disobey the law and perish!

And you are perishing--disappearing from the face of the earth! You are disobeying the Natural Law and you are perishing because of it!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.27.07 - 1:18 pm | #

The maintenence of Monarchy is the maintenence of nationhood!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.27.07 - 2:31 pm | #

That the truth of the wrongness of interracial marriage is seen in the natural world, in most societies and in Divine revelation. It is a general rule and therefore a part of the Natural Law.
WLindsayWheeler

Rahab. Ruth. Gentiles who married Jews. (And who religiously became Jews. But were racially not Jewish.) And that's just in Jesus' lineage. And just off of the top of my head. (Come to think of it, Moses hooked up with a shiksa.)
duckman1957 | Homepage | 10.27.07 - 2:41 pm | #

Another law of the natural order Duckman is that EXCEPTIONS don't make the law! When Ruth married a Jew--she became Jewish--One flesh. Boaz married her because the Mosaic law told him to to raise up heirs of a dead brother!

Exceptions, Exceptions.

And after marrying a foreigner--the rest of the line continued marrying within the tribe!

Exceptions don't make the rule Duckman. What about the hundreds of marriages in between Duckman?

What is the general rule? "Man shall cleave to his Like"!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.27.07 - 11:07 pm | #

"Readers of the previous article in this series have already got to know documents which prove irrefutably the convergence between the League of Nations idea and the Masonic action. Among the numerous related Jewish testimonies, here is one of the most significant : "The League of Nations is not so much a creature of Wilson as it is a great work of Judaism, of which we can be proud. The League of Nations idea is related to that of the great prophets of Israel. Isaiah once said that swords will have to give way to ploughshares and that never again will one people have to fight another. It is to this ancient order of Jewish ideas that the League of Nations brings us back. Its origin lies in the world-outlook of the prophets, pervading the whole world with love. Thus, the idea of the League of Nations, the fraternity of peoples, is a pure Jewish heritage" (cf. Fritsch, p.202). If the Masonic International Congress of Paris in 1907, with which the aforementioned article dealt (1), listed among the real objectives of world war, besides the constitution of the League of Nations, the necessary destruction of imperial and monarchic forms still existing in Central Europe, the Jews saw in the collapse of those "unbearable" forms (as the Jew Ludwig called them) an obstacle-clearing essential to the fulfilment of their policy (cf., for instance, the paper Der Jude, the January 1919 issue)."

since the Jew spontaneously supports any liberal, democratic and internationalist idea, simply because owing to its condition no people has more to gain than his from the triumph of ideologies of that kind, and from the elimination of any hierarchical, authoritarian, national and traditional order. Besides, the age-old resentment of the Jew against Catholicism goes perfectly with the Masonic hatred against Rome and with the symbol of a temple which bears a Jewish name which, in the final analysis, has the signification of a rallying point for the forces of an international front hostile to supranational Catholic authority.

Here is another quote from that article:

Baruch Levi wrote to Karl Marx, which are not well-known and are worth quoting :

"The Jewish people, as a whole, will be its own Messiah. Its domination on the world will be achieved by the union of the other human races, through the elimination of frontiers and of monarchies, which are the ramparts of particularism, and through the formation of a worldwide republic, in which the Jews will enjoy their rights everywhere. In this new organisation of humanity, the sons of Israel, who are now scattered throughout the world, will be able, without obstacles, to become everywhere the leading element, especially if they manage to place the working masses under the control of certain of their own number. The governments of the peoples constituting the worldwide republic, with the help of the proletariat, without this requiring any effort, will all fall into the hands of the Jews. Private property can then be subject to rulers of Jewish origin, who will control the state goods everywhere. Thus, the promise of the Talmud will be fulfilled, according to which Jews, when the time comes, will possess the keys of the wealth of all the peoples of the world (cf. Revue de Paris, 35, 11, p.574).

"anti-bias and diversity training"

In this regard, let's turn now to the United States, with its "All men are born Equal" which is a fallacy and its motto:

"E pluribus Unum"

"Ex uno plures"

When Aristotle writes about the Golden mean, he says it where the extremes meet.

There are two things driving all politics in America:

Universalism (Which Americ is)

And Individualism.

Let's give the proper titles to both of these concepts: International Socialism or Communism is to Universalism and Libertarianism is to Individualism.

Universalism and Individualism seem to be opposed but they really are not--for both go to the same object--One World Government. Libertarianism is anti-nationalistic, is anti-tribal, anti-authoritarian, anti-heirarchical. It breaks all down into everybody is an individual. Well, if everybody is an individual--then, they will coalesce in One Mass and not be particularists. Libertarianism leads to One World Government and this is what OWG is, just a mass of mongrelized individuals.

Communism, International Socialism also goes to the same goal, a mass of individuals under a One World Government. Libertarianism and International Socialism go to the SAME Goal but thru different objectives. They meet.

Whereas Race/Tribe/Nation/ethinicity is the Golden Mean between Universalism/Communism and Individualism/Libertarianism, Race incorporates BOTH communall living and Individualism in a shared atmosphere.

Where as Communism and Libertarianism meet on the OUTSIDE and achieve a perverse meeting of the extremes in a UNUM--One World Government.

Race incorporates both drives in a measured way--Community and Individualism--meet in the INSIDE of a small unit called tribe/nation/race.

Plurality is ensured. Race is the Golden Mean where the extremes meet on the inside. Where the Extremes meet together produces a Unum of destructive power.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 11:19 am | #

Here is a work by Evola:

"Disraeli the Jew and the Empire of the Shopkeepers"
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 12:24 pm | #

"...the symbol of the new England, the doctrine of 'heroic ambition' ; here, again, we find the pseudo-conservative ideal of Disraeli. Sidonia's solution is a government with conservative ideas but liberal practices." From "Disraeli the Jew and the Empire of the Shopkeepers"

"Twice Prime minister of Great Britain, romantic novelist, inventor of modern conservatism--was a neocon in the plain sense of the word, a "new conservative" who began his career on the left."

Wow---get this:

"To this end, Disraeli propounded his famous theory of the convergence and reciprocal integration of Judaism and Catholicism. Here is what he wrote in 'Sybil' : "Christianity without Judaism is incomprehensible, in the same way that Judaism without Catholicism is incomplete." In 'Tancred' he adds to this, claiming that the task of the Church is to defend, in a materialistic society, the fundamental principles, of Jewish origin, which are found in the two Testaments. This thesis was so extreme that Carlyle declared the "Jewish insolence" of 'Dizzy' insupportable, and asked "For how much longer shall John Bull allow this absurd monkey to dance upon his stomach?"

We are marching inexorably to disaster of the greatest magnitude.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 2:22 pm | #

What did Disraeli advocate?

Empire.

More specifically British Empire. Who was the head of this vast Empire? The East Asia Tea company. (I think I am smudging the company name.) Who bankrolled the East Asia Tea Company? The Banking Houses of London.

Who controlled the Banking Houses of London?

I leave this to YOUR imagination.

What did British Empire do? It spread Enlgish values but more importantly spread the English language. English became the language of Business. English Empire spread Capitalism everywhere. What does Capitalism need? a Secure law-abiding environment. With the British Empire came the spreading and the melding of values changing the host country and its subjects.

What did Disraeli the Jew advocate?

British Empire.

What also is Disraeli famous for?

Being a the First Neo-Conservative. A "progressive Conservative". What is GW Bush supposed to be? A "Compassionate Conservative". And who controls George Bush? The Neo-Conservatives.

Do you see the corollary between "progressive conservatism" and "Compassionate conservatism"?

There is another corollary. These wars in the Middle East are just that--Colonization. Democratization of the Middle East. We are NOT leaving Afghanistan or Iraq---We are collonizing them. We are occupying them, changing them. It is the American Empire!

Why the Spanish American War and the occupation of Cuba? Of the Phillipines? Why the Unconditional Surrenders of Germany and Japan? So we could colonize them in an American Empire. What are we doing in the Middle East?

Who is proposing these wars in the Middle East?

The Neo Conservatives. What was Benjamin Disraeli advocating? Disraeli was BOTH a neo-conservative and an advocate of Empire.

The neo-conservatives in America are Jews and advocates of American Empire--in the Middle East. What does Empire do? It transfers Culture. Why is that important? To Americanize them---To Globalize them. To prepare them.

What else did Benjamin Disraeli advocate? Womans' suffrage!

What is the FIRST THING we did in Afghanistan and Iraq?

We gave the woman in each country the right to vote! Ending particularism of gender!

We are under Zionist Occupied Government with a Global agenda of slavery to the New World Order first accomplished by the murder and killing of monarchs. Once the monarchs were out of the way, the dissolution of race began. Once the dissolution of race is successful, then One World Government.

And America is the Key in all this.

America, delenda est.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.28.07 - 10:57 pm | #

What does Globalism need?

A Universal Language.

That is the necessity of the British Empire--the necessity of spreading a language of Business, of capital. The British Empire was a necessary stage for the globalization of the world---just as the American Empire is a necessary preliminary for globalization.

America, delenda est.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 12:07 am | #

What is masonry?

It is the building of something---one brick at a time.

The masons in Europe, pre-modern, built the Cathedrals of Europe, some of them taking over hundreds of years to build.

Freemasonry is about building also but NOT with real bricks but with metaphysical bricks--one brick at a time.

1) Attack religion. Attack Roman Catholicism.

2) Spread Capitalism which destroys religion.

3) Spread Machiavelli's modern definition of a republic---any government WITHOUT a King.

4) The killing of kings and monarchs.

5) Empire, spread Euro culture everywhere, spread one language everywhere, spread the rule of law everywhere; all the necessities for global capitalism.

6) Establishment of a World-wide body. League of Nations. Then, United Nations.

7) Diversity training

8) Anti-bigotry training and laws against it.

9) The raising up of a golem to discredit nationalism

10) produce Multiculturalism. De-racinate the peoples of the world.

Like their Cathedrals, this is not overnight but a long process that takes centuries. Freemasonry is building something alright--and it ain't a Roman Catholic Cathedral. Metaphysical bricks for a metaphysical structure. One huge "Tent" of inclusiveness.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 12:17 am | #

Interviewer: "One of Goblet’s biggest themes is bigotry. It's always been in your books, with the Hitlerlike Lord Voldemort and his followers prejudiced against Muggles (nonmagical people). In book 4, Hermione tries to liberate the school's worker elves, who've been indentured servants so long they lack desire for anything else. Why did you want to explore these themes?

Rowling:

"Because bigotry is probably the thing I detest most. All forms of intolerance, the whole idea of “that which is different from me is necessary evil.” I really like to explore the idea that difference is equal and good. But there's another idea that I like to explore, too. Oppressed groups are not, generally speaking, people who stand firmly together – no, sadly, they kind of subdivide among themselves and fight like hell. That's human nature, so that's what you see here. This world of wizards and witches, they're already ostracized, and then within themselves, they've formed a loathsome pecking order.

"It's absolutely the reverse to the British press; I was told yesterday that I'm a Euroskeptic, which is a big buzzword in Britain. I actually woke up at 2 a.m. this morning, went into the kitchen to get some water, and thought, “I know why they said that – they haven't finished the book.” Right at the end, Dumbledore says, “Differences of habit and language are nothing at all if our aims are identical and our hearts are open.” That is my view. It is very inclusive, and yes, you are right: I am left-wing. "

WLindsayWheeler: Divine law does not admit exceptions. And certainly not in the lineage of Jesus. And you have conceded that race is not the issue; belief in and following of the one true God is. That is something that is open to everyone. As God said to Abraham, "And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice." - Genesis 22:18
duckman1957 | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 1:38 pm | #

"Divine law does not admit exceptions." God caused the Sun to stand still. Every miracle is a suspension of law where God intercedes in Time and space and fixes something. David ate the showbread without being punished. There are exceptions.

I don't dispute that Christianity is open to all. My point is that Nations MUST be defended at all cost.

We are under a Communist threat of race dissolution. It is becoming very real. Why Christians are participating in communist ideology of de-racination is beyond me. This is the heresy of today that has infiltrated all the Christian Churchs, Catholic, Prot, and Orthodox.

Christianity is about "Right Belief" and that right belief does NOT include de-racination! De-racination is NOT the will of God.

Furthermore, orthodox apostolic Christianity can not survive without Western Man!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 6:58 pm | #

I ask you all---What was the First Global Maritime Power?

Spain.

Spain was a Major Maritime Power well before Columbus's time.

What did many Jews do? They converted over to Christianity. Not only that, many married into the Spanish Aristocracy. What for? For Money.

What was the importance of all this?

For beginning the Globalization process with a Maritime Power that had Global reach.

Well, the Spanish Kings thwarted this by instituting an Inquisition to ferret out FALSE conversions. The Marranos, the converted Jews, were NOT serious about their conversion!

The Jews were kicked out of Spain and the Inquisition scared off the rest.

Where did they Go?

England.

Julius Evola in his article about Disraeli, points to the same paradigm that happened in Spain---false conversions---intermarriage with the British Aristocracy---the creation of the British Israelite heresy---and the Jews got to control England!

The British Monarch stays because the British Monarch is Protestant!

You DON'T have orthodoxy amongst Protestants--It is live and let live kind of modality! The British could never engage in an Inquisition! One Heretic is as good as another Heretic!

Spain had the balls to clear out their false conversions---England did not--and what you get is Benjamin Disraeli---and the Jewish plan for globalisation, de-racination, for "judeo-christianity".

Compare How Spain treated the Jews and England. It is very different.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 7:12 pm | #

Let me ask this, all these people push Democracy all the time. Disraeli was for democracy!

Yet, Disreali was also for Destruction of Race!

So where did People VOTE on being deracinated? Was there ever a Debate? Was this voted ON? Did these "believers in Democracy" come out and spell out this plan in plain sight and in plain language?

The answer to all of this is NO.

We are being socially conditioned, politicaly manuevered, enconomically manipulated to become a de-racinated One World Government!

If you seek the death of something, then you also are subject to Death!

Eye for an eye,
Tooth for a tooth,
Life for Life.

If these people plan the Death of Race/Nation/Tribe/Ethnicity, then they are guilty of murder, and are punishable by Death!

The killing of Race/Nation is a Murderous Act! The punishment for pushing this agenda IS Death! You seek my death---I have every recourse to put you to death!

All Communists rate the Death Penalty! All people who push the De-racination agenda---deserve Justice.

Killing of Race---Kills the individual as well. Man is a complicated creature. And since man is complicated, Society/Race/Tribe/Nation/Ethnicity, which is made up of man, is also complicated! If God created Race---That Means That Man NEEDS Race! For the proper functioning of Man---Man needs Race! To Kill Race/Nation---is to DEFORM man!

The Killing of Race/nation--is about DEFORMING MAN!

If the General population advocates, pushes, spreads this Race killing ideology---It is War!

I let your imaginations take over from here and draw more conclusions! The advocate of the Killing of Nation---is the Crime of Murder----Punishable by Death!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 10.29.07 - 7:33 pm | #

At Taki's Top drawer, the Blog Section, is a post "A provedential war" with this from another poster:

"The ruling caste in Turkey is a group of people called the Dönmeh. These Dönmeh used to be Jews who converted to Islam, but secretly kept their Jewish traditions and religion, just like the Jews in Spain once did. It is perhaps easier to understand the Turkish ruling class affinity towards Israel and its dislike of “religion”. The disliked religion in question is of course Islam, the religion of the common folks in Turkey."

Oh, well. I knew it was futile when I started.
duckman1957 | Homepage | 10.30.07 - 12:35 pm | #

As of 30 Oct. 2007, Dr. Makow has on his site a letter from Kevin Ambrams titled "A Jewish Response from Kevin Abrams, Co Author of "The Pink Swastika". Kevin Ambrams is the author of the Pink Swastika. Here are the pertinent quotes:

"...the Jewish mission to the world is liberation FROM bondage and freedom FROM slavery... for all mankind."

"And as Viktor Frankel, author of Doctor of The Soul, and survivor of Auschwitz observed, "there are only two types of people in the world, builders and plunderers."

"The Jewish mission and focus is predicated upon truth and a repair of this world..."

God tests people. God doesn't make things easy. God puts burdens on people.

When God led out the Hebrews from Egypt, He commanded genocide. The Hebrews flinched from this command. They didn't do what they were told.

The pagan idolators were poisionous to the Monotheistic faith of the Hebrews. The Hebrews didn't do as they were told, and the consequences were that the people were poisoned by the pagan remnants they failed to kill.

Here is the mystery. That what God commanded, they didn't do, and the thing, not accomplished, poisoned them. They would have had their health and life if they listened.
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Now, come today, and the same thing is true of Christians.

"And it shall come to pass when all these things shall have come upon thee, the blessing AND THE C-U-R-S-E, which I have set before thy face, and thou shalt call them to mind among the nations, wherein the Lord shall have scattered thee..." LXX, Deut. 30.1

I want to go back to the pertinent quotes of Mr. Ambrams:

""...the Jewish mission to the world is liberation FROM bondage and freedom FROM slavery... for all mankind."

"And as Viktor Frankel, author of Doctor of The Soul, and survivor of Auschwitz observed, "there are only two types of people in the world, builders and plunderers."

""The Jewish mission and focus is predicated upon truth and a repair of this world..."

"Thy Will be done".

The University of Delaware has just initiated a diversity program for all its students in its residence halls. It is Mandatory. The Students must be trained in "Right Thought" about race, environment, etc. The Hall monitors do the classes to the students and the results are then sent to the School administration. You are told what is the politically correct thing to say and think.

"The school requires its approximately 7,000 residence hall students "to adopt highly specific university-approved views on issues ranging from politics to race, sexuality, sociology, moral philosophy and environmentalism."

Here is another:

""Students will recognize the benefits of dismantling systems of oppression,"

"""...the Jewish mission to the world is liberation FROM bondage and freedom FROM slavery... for all mankind."

Here in Battle Creek, Michigan, we have the Kellogg cereal Headquarters and the Kellogg Foundation. Well, the Kellogg Foundation, supported and maintained by the Kellogg Cereal Corporation, funds THE CENTER FOR THE HEALING OF RACISM to the tune of $900,000 a year. With that money, Dizzy Warren, a Negress in Albion, gets a nice salary and has access to every school in Calhoun county to preach communism.

They don't debate.

They have where each school and college is personnel trained by them to monitor and push this agenda. It is Political Correctness indoctrination. The Kellogg Company supports it. A Member of the Kellog Company sits on this "non-profit" board of trustees.

The purpose of this organization is to push de-racination. Not only do they have access to every school in Calhoun county, the local Episcopalian church has funded luncheons for them as well. Dizzy Warren doesn't debate, but they have the floor and tell people all sorts of things---that can't be questioned!

This the Kellogg Company.

"Kellogg Foundation Grant Helps With The National Resource Center for the Healing of Racism"

"We provide all people involved in the process of healing the disease of racism, and upholding the oneness of humankind, with the tools and resources to support and enhance their work."

"The unique perspective of the NRCHR centers on the oneness of the human family. This perspective is the next phase in removing barriers among people."

Books to read about the NWO and Communism:

The Unseen Hand, An Introduction to the Conspiratorial View of History, by Ralph Epperson (1985)

Valley of Decision, Dr. Sterling Lacy, DaySpring Productions. (1988){Christian perspective}

The Death of a Nation, John A. Stormer, (1968)

None Dare Call It Conspiracy, Gary Allen, (1971)

None Dare Call It Treason...25 Years Later, John A. Stormer, (1990)

These are just some of the books about the shennanigans going on in America.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 11.01.07 - 10:26 pm | #

Even the New Vatican II Roman Catholic Church is in on the agenda.

Go to any Roman Catholic Forum/Message board and say Race is Important--and see how quick they ban you. I have been banned from 5-6 RC message boards for my so-called "racist" posts. When the Bible says, "Speak the Truth at all times", "speaking the truth" is NOT allowed on Catholic Websites!

What guides Roman Catholicism today is Cultural Marxism.

When reading the book, The Keys of This Blood, by Malachi Martin, a Jesuit Priest, I was flabbergasted at his knowledge about the coming New World Order. And it seems that the Vatican itself thinks that this is a good thing and that the Pope JonPaul II sought to control the beast.

That instead of preaching against it, the Vatican and the vast amount of the clergy is about the New World Order. This is the subtitle of that book:

"Pope John Paul II Versus Russia and the West for Control of the New World Order"

Here are some quotes from it:

"...the new world order, the world of the Grand Design of the nations. And as Helmut Kohl stated soundly, the """new""" European must have as its goal the grand vision oexpressed by Thomas Jefferson: "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". (emphasis added) pg 649

"A second and necessary one is the integration of the former East European Soviet satellites into that Europe. They must become working parts of the new "European economic space", part and parcel of the "new European architecture". pg 646

"Representatives and spokesmen for the most potent globalist currents---some 1,350 captains of industry, finance, politics, government, the media and telecommunications---trekked up 4,400 feet avove sea leel to the Swiss winter resort of Davos, the "Magic Mountain" of Thomans Mann's masterpiece, there to participate in the annual congress of the World Economic Forum." pg 642

More of the sellout by Roman Catholics hierarchy is this post by Tiberge at Galliawatch that sites the presence of "COMECE".

What is COMECE?

"COMECE stands for (in Latin) Commissio Episcopatuum Europensis, or the Commission of the Bishops' Conferences of the European Community.

"This should lead to a Union characterized by more Justice and Solidarity and an enhanced Responsibility for major global challenges."

Please notice the similarities between:

"United States"

"United Nations"

"European Union"

What do they all have in common?

The word "United" or its variation "Union".

What was the Communist project in once Orthodox Russia called?

The USSR.

What does the USSR stand for?

The "UNION of Soviet Socialist Republics". The word "UNION" again.

America is the focal point. It was the first country to call itself a "united", as a creedal country. It got rid of its king. The American revolution influenced the French Revolution. Both created psuedo-republics. Both championed the "Seperation of Church and State". The French Revolution sponsored the 1848 Socialist revolutions with Karl Marx writing the Communist Manifesto. And the French Revolution gave birth to Socialism, Communism, International Socialism and Fascism, National Socialism.

What was one thing that the French Revolution did inside of France?

It UNIONIZED all the French into ONE body! It destroyed the provinces and their unique character, language and customs. All things revolved around Paris and the revolution! Under Kings, and feudalism, each province had its peculiar culture, French dialect, and customs. Under the egalitarian and CENTRALIZING effects---all particularism within France was abolished.

This movement of "union" is a powerful device to stifle and abolish "particularism". Is this what the American Civil War was about? The ending of Southern particularism? The "Union" had to be maintained!!

The United Nations constitution is based on the constitution of the USSR. Under the "United Nations" there are going to be regions of Unions--all regional districts, of capitalist units. The European Union, the North-American Free Trade Agreement, there is an Asian counterpart as well.

"The North American currency union is a proposal in which the three principal countries of North America, namely Canada, the United States and Mexico, would share a common currency. This idea is based on the common European Union currency, the euro. There are also related proposals for a single currency for all of the Americas. The hypothetical currency for both of these ideas is sometimes referred to as the Amero.

All the countries of the Old world are named for their ethnicity. But with the advent of the New World, North and South America, Australia and New Zealand, the paradigm shifts. America is the first. It is the first IDEOLOGICAL country. America is the full --Except America. It is the full consumation of the Enlightenment. It is the total break with the Past--with the Old Order. It is the New Order, a country based on Creed not on blood.

Nature is based on harmony. Harmony is at the basis of the Law of Thermodynamics.

If there is NO particularism at the basic level---there is NO particularism in the succeeding levels. If there is no particularism allowed within a country---no particularism is allowed amongst countries. Particularism is what is evil and particularism as evil is behind the blood purity motiff of the Harry Potter series.

It is the age old problem of the Greek city states of Synoecism that ended dual nature of the Greek city states and combined all together to produce democracy.

There is a connection between democracy, socialism, synoecism and United/Union. Synoecism in the old Greek city-states ended the aristocratical/priestly caste that abided in the original Polis and combined all. It ended the distinctions of the ancient Greek polis. The French Revolution was in a sense a Synoecism.

This European Union is a Synoecism. NAFTA is a Synoecism. All things are now directed toward Synoecism. Bigotry and racism is what upholds particularism, what the ancient Greeks called "dioikismos".

"Houston, we have a problem".

There is something sinister in all this. Everything is tending toward Synoecism--the recreation of the Tower of Babel. The Tower of Babel is the culmination of synoecism.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 12:16 pm | #

You can't have a philosophy free school---unless it is only about mathematics---but then the mathematics teacher has opinions.

This has something the "freedom warriors" and libertarians miss---Something is always mandatory! Always.

The Principle of nature is "Nature abhors a vacuum".

You can't have a "value-free" school---that is a non-reality. There is NO Seperation of Church and State! That is an impossiblity. If it isn't Church and State-----IT IS IDEOLOGY AND STATE. When there is NO religion, then Nature ordains that ideology must rule and rule it does!

All of you are morons that think there can be a value free institution. There is NO such thing. Even in Communist Russia, there was a connection between Ideology and State.

Just as a person is soul and body, the state, which is made up of human beings, has also Soul and body.

The whole, i.e. the State, Is no different from the parts. Can a man be seperated from his soul? That is called death.

So then a state can NOT be seperated from a dominant religion/ideology.

Something WILL Rule. Either it is religion or it will be ideology. Either way Something will rise to ascendancy and that something will mandate its premises upon all else.

Religion and ideology give value to this or that. It is fundamental to the human psyche to have a value system; something is judged good or something is judged evil, either way there is a value system.

Since the American and French revolutions kicked out the Roman Catholic Church---you are left with ideology. Ideology as can be seen in the University of Delaware case of mandatory diversity training will be dominant. It is their culture and their rules.

This was a test to see if they could get away with an open program. Don't worry, this hasn't gone away--it just went underground--another twenty years and this Delaware program will be universal and mandatory. There will be ideological purity----There won't be blood purity---there will be ideological purity.

The example of the University of Delaware should be obvious to all---There is NO such thing as Seperation of Church and State. And for you Prots out there---Protestantism always degenerates into Liberalism.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 11.03.07 - 6:33 pm | #

The Neturei Karta is a small ultra-orthodox Jewish sect. They are actually have the Old Jewish mindset in being anti-zionist. They teach, like the pre-war WWII Jews, that there can not be any return to the homeland.

But they say something else a little more significant---missed by many:

One provision of the pact was (1) that the Jews would not rebel against the non-Jewish world that gave them sanctuary; a second was (2) that they would not immigrate en masse to the Land of Israel. In return, the legend states, the (3) gentile nations promised not to persecute the Jews too harshly.[4] By rebelling against this pact, they argued, the Jewish People were engaging in open rebellion against God.

Consider these Sept. 25, 1945, observations from Tom Dodd, who would emerge as second in command on the American prosecution team:

Isn't the Iraqi War, a War for the Jews?

Isn't this coming Iran War, a War for the Jews?

"Sometimes it seems that the Jews will never learn about these things. They seem intent on bringing new difficulties down on their own heads.

And since they have free reign, they are not quarantined, their suicidal drive is passed into the former post Christendom countries--evidence, the coming Eurabia, NAFTA, etc etc.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 11.04.07 - 12:15 pm | #

Let me illustrate the two laws; purity in logic and Gresham's law in one example.

In logic, in an argument, every premise MUST be true, in order that the conclusion of the argument is true.

'T' stands for True premise.
'F' stands for False premise.

T+T+T=T

Now, F+F+F+F=F

Now, what happens when it is mixed?

T+T+F+T=F

No matter how many true premises there are, one false premise, makes the whole argument false!

To arrive at truth requires Purity; all premises of an argument must be true. There must be purity in logic.

It is also true in Gresham's law that "Bad drives out good". One false premise in a sea of true premises--makes the whole false! One false premise drives truth out of the whole argument.

Truth requires Purity. No purity in the premises in regards to their "faithful representation"--no truth in the conclusion.

Logic requires purity. The same goes for mathematical equations. There can be no error in mathematical equations---every step in the equation must be pure.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 11.05.07 - 9:51 pm | #

About schools being indoctrination centers. Here is a quote from a Dr. William Pierce of Harvard University, when he addressed 2,000 teachers in Denver, Colorado in 1987:

"Every child in America who enters school at the age of five is mentally ill, because he comes to school with an allegiance toward our elected officials, toward our Founding Fathers, toward our institutions, toward the preservation of this form of government... All of this proves the children are sick, because the truly well individual is one who has rejected all of those things and is what I would call the true international child of the future." [Source: Target: America's Children]

The author of this book by Phoebe Courtney (c) 1989 says "Through new guidance programs, school-based health clinics, and experimental teaching and testing methods, the schools are acting as mental-health centers preparing children for citizenship in a new world order, a 'global society.'" (This book was once available at a cost of $4.25 from The Independent American, P.O. Box 636, Littleton, Colorado 80160.)

"the regime 'figured that it was impossible for people in a socialist society to have an anti-socialist consciousness.'

The US House of Representatives have passed on October 23, 2007, H.R. 1955, titled "The Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007." Section 899A of the bill defines "violent radicalization" as "the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change."

What I have talked about in this thread has now crossed that line above. I am now an enemy of the Communist States of America. I am an enemy of the North American Union. "An extremist belief system", the Old Order, Monarchy is now an "extremist belief system". What was normal before the American and French revolution is now a crime in modern day America.

To return to the Old Order is an extremist position to a communist. Pro-life agitation is an extremist position. A Christian tent revival may even be considered an "extremist belief system".

The rest of the article is here: America's New Religion
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 11.06.07 - 8:11 pm | #

Dr. Makow has given me more inspiration. (He confesses that he was once an "Illumaniti Jew" but the man has got his head screwed on tight.)

"Our identity is based on gender. An attack on gender is an attack on identity. We develop our identity in terms of our family roles as husbands and fathers, wives and mothers, sisters and brothers."(From his article "The biggest mistake men make")

"Our identity is based on race. An attack on race is an attack on identity. We develop our identity in terms of our ethnicity."

Lately, in this thread, it has been pointed out one of the programs of Cultural Marxism--the deracination of people by destroying the mechanisms that keep race together and particularism.

There is another plank of Cultural Marxism:

"The Communist Rules for Revolution was captured in Dusseldorf, Germany, in May 1919 by the Allied Forces. In part it states: "(A) Corrupt the young, get them away from religion. Get them interested in sex. Make them superficial, destroy their ruggedness."

I want to go back to this point by Dr. Makow:

""Our identity is based on gender. An attack on gender is an attack on identity. We develop our identity in terms of our family roles as husbands and fathers, wives and mothers, sisters and brothers."(From his article "The biggest mistake men make")

""A democracy likes a large mass and hates all divisions."

A correspondent of mine points out the "Death wish" that homosexuals have! A while back it was reported that the homosexuals in San Fran were going back to the bath house sex routine? Why many asked?

It is a subliminal death wish!

To de-racinate, to de-genderize, is a "death wish".

Look at what our politicos are doing in America and in Europe with increased immigration to the deterimint of their own people---it is a death wish.

When you choose to go away from God---it is a Death wish! Death always follows atheism! Death and Atheism go together.

Any program based on "Ideology", i.e. socialism, communism, social democracy, fascism, all are death wishes. All Our modern States have SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. Just like Atheism for the Individual is death---Seperation of Church and State is a type of Atheism for the State----AND OF COURSE THE THE STATE DIES. It is again the principle of microcosm/macrocosm. If atheism is death for the individual, and if the paradigm of the death wish is inherent in this choice----Then it is also true for the state!!!! This is why all modern states die! This is the Novus Ordo! Seperation of Church and State--is like an individual choosing Atheism. All these modern states that have "Seperation of Church and State", have in a sense Atheism, and hence a Death Wish. What we see now in America and in Europe---IS the Death Wish becoming manifest!

This is why Islam is strong---and Europe is weak!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 11.08.07 - 7:05 pm | #

I want to revisit this statement by Dr. Makow:

"Our identity is based on gender. An attack on gender is an attack on identity. We develop our identity in terms of our family roles as husbands and fathers, wives and mothers, sisters and brothers."(From his article "The biggest mistake men make")

"Our identity is based on race. An attack on race is an attack on identity. We develop our identity in terms of our ethnicity."

I am not against different races living together in a country.

Let's look at medieval Jerusalem. It had Four quarters; the Muslim quarter, the Jewish quarter, the Armenian quarter, and a Latin quarter.

Jerusalem was one city yet divided into four quarters, each staying to themselves, and thus preserving their unique culture.

One One level, there must be a level (a right proportion) of ethnic purity within a tribe/race and in a country One race is dominant with minorities that also stay within themselves.

The European mind has always developed the caste system; which is the product of the European thought of "Define and divide". This is European modality.
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Take also the traditional British military makeup.

Ghurkas fight in their own regiments. The Scots, Irish, Welsh also fight in their own regiments. Irish in a Irish regiment, Scots in a Scots regiment and Welsh in their own Welsh regiment. Even the English divided their own by their districts, for instance Lincolnshires fought in their own regiment.

This is traditional European modality. Military units are NOT to be racially mixed. You fight with your brother.

This is all of the Old Order! This is organic and natural.

See, one must be SOPHISTICATED. All this simple minded thinking going on is so dangerous. Life is complex yet simple. At the basic level all things are simple--yet there is a complexity amongst the simplicity.

Racial purity to a degree within a tribe but in a country there is a multiplicity of tribes. Each to his own.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 11.08.07 - 7:34 pm | #

It is all about Hierarchy.

What is democracy against?

Hierarchy.

What is modern republicanism against (that definition of "any government without a king")?

Royalty, aristocracy.

What does Royalty and aristocracy represent? Hierarchy.

What does Hierarchy presuppose?

Something is ranked higher than another. See, this is INHERENT in the term hierarchy.

There is Hierarchy in gender! The Male is OVER the female---Hierarchy. Everything is in Hierarchy. This is the Natural Law.

And who created this? God did.

And why did the Devil attack the humans in the Garden of Eden?

Because the Devil coveted. Read the book of Wisdom in the Septuagint. Why? The devil COVETED the PLACE of Man in God's creation. Man is superior in a sense to Angel! Angels are pure spiritual beings while Man is half material and half spiritual (Just like Jesus is!) Man is superior to Angel in that we shall rule over Angels. This is what Lucifer hated.

Democracy, synoecism, is about erasing hierarchy. Hierarchy is inherent in Order, Structure, being. Without hierarchy, in Disraeli's term, Predominance, there is NO order, no structure.

Lucifer is about spreading his rebellion---his gospel of democracy---his plan for mankind. And those that HATE God---pick up this message and act on this DOS program.

See God's hierarchy is Oppresive, unfair, you have NO choice.

The Lucifer plan is that YOU HAVE A CHOICE, but only you can have this choice IF you live in a democracy. Democracy nullifies all of what God did.

And at the heart of democracy is Nihilism. Nihilism is self-destructive. That is why nihilists like this Finland guy and the Colorado school shootings done by nihilists, atheists. Nihilism self-destructs.

America and Europe is Nihilist, and so self-destructs. Rebellion against the Old Order is called Nihilism. And Nihilism brings destruction.

America delenda est.

Return back to the Old Order.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 11.08.07 - 9:32 pm | #

Let's put two and two together.

Nihilism is self-destructive. Nihilism is a rejection of truth and wisdom. Nihilism deconstructs the Old Order.

The Jews are nihilists. That is why they are deconstructionists. And their self-destructive behavior is a sign of their nihilism. They don't believe in Truth. Jesus Christ said, "I am the Way, THE TRUTH, and the Life". Well, if Jesus the Truth is rejected, then one is a nihilist.

Furthermore, it is thru Jesus the Logos that the world was created. The Jew and the fundamentalist Protestants, (who are influenced by the Jews, i.e. "sola scriptura") reject philosophy, especially Greek philosophy. When they do so, they reject Reality. They hate reality, and that is why they seek to change it!!! They are """"fixing the world""""". This is nihilism.

When the Bible says they are "Blinded and astounded", the Jew thinks he is doing good, but really the Jew is destructive. The Jew is a nihilist.

Connect this with Jacques Derrida, the Father of Deconstructionism, a Jew. The tearing down of barriers. That is nihilism!

Gregory Vlastos, a Greek Classical scholar and Platonist, talks of the Socrates fighting the moral nihilism of the Athenians. What type of government did Athens have?

A democracy.

Nihilism and democracy go hand in hand! What is synonymous with democracy? Socialism. The program of communism (all socialism) is Nihilism!

Nihilism is the hatred of Truth.

And what is Truth?

"A faithful representation of reality". Is not race a part of reality? To reject race is nihilism because it is NOT a faithful representation of reality.

The Catholic definition of the Natural Law is that Scripture ONLY backs up the Natural Law! The Natural Law came first and all Scripture does is back it up.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 11.09.07 - 12:09 am | #

On another Haloscan, someone mentioned the scandal of "Tintin" a Belgian cartoon. In its earlier days, it did have caricatures of other races.

"Tintin in the Congo has been criticised as presenting the Africans as naïve and primitive."

"Some of the early albums were altered by Hergé in subsequent editions, usually at the demand of publishers. For example, at the instigation of his American publishers, many of the black characters in Tintin in America were re-coloured to make their race white or ambiguous:

The Shooting Star album originally had an American villain with the Jewish surname of Mr. Blumenstein. This proved to be controversial, as the character looked very stereotypically Jewish. Blumenstein was changed to an American with a less ethnically specific name, Mr. Bohlwinkel, in later editions and subsequently to a South American of a fictional country - São Rico. Hergé later discovered that 'Bohlwinkel' was also a Jewish name."

Identity and differentiation go together. This is what is evil. This is what is being destroyed!

What is Race?

Race is Identity!

Race differentiates!

All this must be destroyed!

This is what Cultural Marxism does.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 11.10.07 - 8:37 am | #

The principle is

"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction"

"Make them superficial, destroy their ruggedness."

Here we have discussed the destruction of the Bavarian Monarchy of the Wittlesbach dynasty that lasted 700 years. Kurt Eisner, a Jew and a Communist, took over the government and established the Bavarian Soviet Republic.

"Kun was born in Szilágycseh, Transylvania, Austria-Hungary (today Cehu Silvaniei, Romania). Kun's father, a village notary, was a lapsed Jew, and his mother a lapsed Protestant. Béla Magyarized his birth surname, Kohn, to Kun in 1906. Although Kun was hostile to all forms of religion, his Jewish roots and advocacy of revolutionary communism resulted in hatred for him - and other Hungarian Jews - who were viewed as accomplices in the anti-Christian atrocities that followed his accession to power. Despite his secular upbringing, he was educated at a famous Reformed kollegium (grammar school) in the city of Kolozsvár (modern Cluj-Napoca, Romania). fr Wikipedia on Bela Kun

On Bela Kun:

"This was a bad time to be associated with Trotsky, as Stalin did not support internationalism but rather wanted to focus on socialism within the Soviet Union. Kun was among the many thousands of international communists who were arrested by Stalin's orders during the great purges of 1936-1937.

"The storming rage of Petőfi's soul… turned against the privileged classes, against the people's oppressor… and confronted them with revolutionary abandon. Petőfi felt that the country would not be saved through moderation, but through the use of the most extreme means available. He detested even the thought of cowardice… Petőfi's vision was correct. There is no room for prudence in revolutions whose fate and eventual success is always decided by boldness and raw courage… this is why Petőfi condemned his compatriots for the sin of opportunism and hesitation when faced with the great problems of their age… Petőfi's works must be regarded as the law of the Hungarian soul… and of the… love of the country"

"that the country would not be saved through moderation, but through the use of the most extreme means available."

From Wikipedia on the Holocaust article:

"Michael Berenbaum writes that Germany became a "genocidal nation."

"Disraeli even believed that Jews everywhere were uniformly desirous of "revenge" against Christians, using absolutely contrasting ideologies -- capitalism and communism -- to the same end through parallel "internationalism." "Men of Jewish race," he wrote, "are found at the head of every one of [the communist and socialist groups]. The people of God cooperate with atheists; the most skilled accumulators of property ally themselves with communists, the peculiar and chosen people touch the hands of the scum and low castes of Europe! And all this because they wish to destroy the ungrateful Christendum which owes them even its name and whose tyranny they can no longer endure." [ARENDT, p. 76]

A friend of mine emailed me an article called the "Beware The Ides of April: Cho Seung-hui and the Mosaic Distinction".

What is the Mosaic Distinction you ask?

"In mathematics there is something called the "first Law of Construction" posited by George Spencer Brown. It goes:

"Draw a distinction. Call it the first distinction. Call the space in which it is drawn the space severed or cloven by the distinction.

"It seems that this law applies as well to societies, cultures and religions. Cultural and intellectual distinctions or divisions are all about creating "meaning" and identity and orientation for the self. Unfortunately, trying to create meaning for the self that is artificial is really an act of creating conflict, intolerance and violence.

What we have read above is about the distinction between true and false in religion that is at the root of religious distinctions such as those between Jews and Gentiles, Christians and pagans, Muslims and infidels. Once the distinction has been drawn, once it has been declared that there IS such a division between peoples, then it becomes easier and easier to make more and more distinctions, subdivisions of them, endless permutations.

On the Moses Distinction, this principle is an Atheist inspired hate hypothesis against religion. It has NO historical validity whatsoever!

People have been killing people since the time immemorial. Look at Cain and Abel---way before the time of Moses! Look at Aztec warfare and we know of several North American, southwest tribes wiped out, by other tribes and the Mosaic religion was nowhere around.

In Greece, the Pelopponesian War spawned all sorts of killing. The Athenians at Melos, killed all the men and sold the rest into slavery. Moses was nowhere around. Socrates killed by Athenian democracy. Socrates was a monotheist killed by polytheists. The Trojan War---all over a woman and Moses was nowhere.

The Mosaic Distinction is a canard cast up by the Atheists to smear monotheistic religion and to end "exclusion".

Exclusion is a very hurtful thing. An exclusive club. The Christian Religion is an exclusive Club! It excludes people who don't believe in Jesus Christ and then it excludes heretical thinkers.

Truth itself in Exclusive--of everything that is false! Truth by its very essence is Exclusive but on the other hand is that it is also INCLUSIVE; i.e. the philosophical principle, "Truth does not contradict Truth". All truth belongs with each other! Physical, Metaphysical, Spiritual Truth are all ONE.

Christianity is Exclusive AND Inclusive. All can become Christians---but only with Right belief is one accepted as a Christian! Right belief excludes but anybody with Right belief, man, woman, Jew, Greek, Barbarian, can enter. (With this caveat, that ONLY Europeans be the Bishops.)

To hold the concepts of Inclusiveness and Exclusiveness together in a harmony, in the right proportions and to their right objects---is only the property of a Greek mind. Other peoples mental programing can't handle this complexity.

This is important people--Reality is both Simple and Complicated with many factors. The ability to take in two opposing concepts, hold them in harmony, in the right proportions, and directed to their right objects is the basis of Christian Thought!

Not monomanicalism.

Christianity can not be seperated from European Man.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 11.11.07 - 6:10 pm | #

Bigotry ONLY exists when a custom, tradition, moral, or tribal boundary is crossed. In the Old Order, some of this is called "Shame".

As both Plato and Aristotle point out, and quite effective in the Spartan culture, "Shame and Praise" are useful tools in disciplining societies members. If a man ran off the battlefield, shame was employed.

Why.

First to punish the coward.

Second, to make the coward an example so that others DON'T follow his example.

Shame and Praise are powerful tools that provide DISCIPLINE within a society.

When tribal boundaries are crossed, bigotry is used to reinforce a metaphysical boundary! Boundaries exist for the sake of Identity! Boundaries exist for the sake of Order! Order presupposes Hierarchy. Breaking ranks causes bigotry.

High society can not function without Hierarchy. NO high society---NO high culture. If you want NO bigotry, no hierarchy---go live as a caveman, as a neolithic tribe somewhere in the Amazon basin or in Papau New Guinea!

The Higher of human endeavor, requires a high society that requires stratification, caste, hierarchy. The Church is a High society since it incorporates a Hierarchy. All High Organisms in the Natural Order exhibit stratification, hierarchy.

This Tikkun Olam, this fixing of the World, this egalitarianism, this modern republicanism, proposed by the Jews, who believe in the evolution of Man--in a higher plane of existence of some sort of Global Government----ARE ACTUALLY REGRESSING MAN to the point of a caveman existence. Look upon the vulgarity and puerility of modern culture---it is ALL gutter culture. This is what you get. Man is regressing! These people think they are so smart---but because they are following evil, they are actually doing the opposite of what their intentions are! They are committing hari kari.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 11.11.07 - 6:23 pm | #

Here is Catholic Social Doctrine:

"Racism and other forms of discrimination must then always be opposed." pulled from the Wikipedia article.

Here is the opening to the Natural Law article of the Catholic Church.

"In English this term is frequently employed as equivalent to the laws of nature, meaning the order which governs the activities of the material universe. Among the Roman jurists natural law designated those instincts and emotions common to man and the lower animals, such as the instinct of self-preservation and love of offspring. In its strictly ethical application–the sense in which this article treats it–the natural law is the rule of conduct which is prescribed to us by the Creator in the constitution of the nature with which He has endowed us.

"Sadly, most human societies evince no instinct for self-preservation, and certainly no love of offspring, for they do not bother to have sufficient offspring to survive."

Then the East Asian columnist Spengler attacks Natural Law:

"Theoretically speaking, man is capable of acquiring a full knowledge of the moral law, which is ... nothing but the dictates of reason properly exercised. Actually, taking into consideration the power of passion, prejudice, and other influences which cloud the understanding or pervert the will, one can safely say that man, unaided by supernatural revelation, would not acquire a full and correct knowledge of the contents of the natural law (cf Vatican Council, Sess III, cap ii).

In this system, God isn't strictly necessary, merely convenient, because humankind is "capable of acquiring a full knowledge of the moral law", although prone to mistakes without the aid of supernatural revelation. ...both cases, nature is in the driver's seat. [2] Either human reason can work everything out on its own, or it can't. Natural theology leaves humankind half-pregnant with reason.

Now, we come to a very very basic question---

What is the meaning of Life?

There are two answers here.

First, "For He (God) created all things that they might have their being". God brought us INTO Being. God Loves Us and so therefore desires, as we desire, a relationship with us.

The second meaning of life---

IS THAT WE LEARN OUR F#@$%@ Lesson!!!

And what is that Lesson?

Obedience to Law! The Story of the Garden Eden is NOT about 'free will' which the RC church and others overly, diproportianately propagate but is the that Humans have NOT learned the consequence of obeying Law.

God laid ONE law upon Adam---And Adam FAILED at being obedient!!

The cause of our WHOLE mess is that Adam failed to obey the law.

Why is there strife in this world? Because Man has got to learn the consequence of disobedience to Law. And as Socrates and Plato both reveal that is the Law that expounds the Good. Refusal to do the Good---leads to death.

Isn't that what God said to Adam if Adam failed to obey?

We are Here ON Earth to learn a very important lesson

Obey the Law; i.e. the Good---and live. OR...

Disobey the Law----and Die!

The purpose of higher law is about Life. Law, since it is an ideogram of the Good, is about giving Life.

This is the sentiment of the Doric Greeks, i.e. the Spartans, known for their extreme piety and obedience:

"We are not in the world in order to give laws, but...in order to obey the commands of the gods."

As the human is both Soul and body, both Spiritual and Material, the human must both have Divine Revelation AND obedience to Natural Law. As Man is bifurcated, his needs are bifurcated, and those needs are satisfied by bifurcated sources, Scripture and the Natural Law.

Man has to drink from two wells; Scripture and the Natural Law for man is derived from both. Man is BOTH Earth and Spirit. And as Man is BOTH Earth and Spirit---he must drink from both a Earthly well and a Spiritual well.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 11.12.07 - 9:23 pm | #

In a talk of the Enlightenment, the speaker succinctly described Englightenment thought:

"I will classify them as belief in perpetual progress toward some ideal state of natural happiness; belief in liberty, equality, and brotherliness as the primary and indispensable ingredients of that happiness; belief in democracy as the infallible means of securing it; belief in the power of unaided human reason to resolve all human problems and ensure that the rights and dignity of all are respected. Evil is chiefly due to ignorance and can therefore effectively be overcome by the right kind of education." from Enlightenment values: Their Social and Political Implications Over Two Centuries

I want to add to the previous post. Yes, I do recognize that fellow Europeans, the Atheist/Humanist crowd, has been our trouble and in some measure responsible for the West's destruction.

But as it is said, "Birds of a feather flock together".

The Euro Atheists/Humanists were joined by the Jews together. The Jews brought their Tikkun Olam, messiah complex of de-racination, into the Mix. Since they are an aristocratic race, and since cream rises to the top, they rose in leadership of this movement and direct it!

The Enlightenment is about deconstructing the Old Order and all people with a like mind join in. Communism is the political manifestation of the Enlightenment with the added Jewish ingredient of the de-racination ideology. It was Karl Marx that politicized it and gave it ground.
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 11.14.07 - 8:39 pm | #

On the beginnings of WWI, Paul Gottfried writes:

"But Wilson’s government was so passionately pro-British and anti-German that our ambassador to London Walter Hines Page did everything possible to fuel international strife. Instead of letting the British know that the starvation blockade that Churchill began to place on Germany, weeks before the declaration of war, was illegal under international law, Page gave the British assurances that we would soon join them on the battlefield.

"I am a Zionist, let me make this clear. I am one of the original ones after the Balfour Declaration and I have worked faithfully for it." from Winston Churchill and the "Jewish moneylenders": Far from being an anti-Semite Winston Churchill was a lifelong Zionist and philo-Semite, argues historian William D. Rubinstein

"Winston Churchill was an early supporter of the pan-Europeanism. In his famous speech at the University of Zurich in 1946, Winston Churchill called for a "United States of Europe" and the creation of a "Council of Europe". He also participated in the Hague Congress of 1948, which discussed the future structure and role of this Council of Europe. The Council of Europe was finally founded as the first European institution through the Treaty of London of 5 May 1949 and has its seat in Strasbourg." fr Wikipedia.

Let's just say, the nail has driven the coffin shut:

"This single sentence reveals Mr. Churchill's entire war policy. He wants to "clean up" Europe, which means making any kind of common effort impossible that would benefit the entire continent and bring about a new order." from The War Criminal Alfred Rosenberg

The Article is "The War Criminal Churchill by Alfred Rosenberg.
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/c...gpa/ schul05.htm
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 11.14.07 - 9:59 pm | #

"If the Jews are able to exploit their host peoples forever, they will remain a constant source of the open, destructive flame of Bolshevism, making it easy to repeatedly kindle it again, not to mention the political uncertainties resulting from disunity within the people and the danger to racial unity.

My open letter to the Jews.

Please, Go AWAY! Get out of our hair! Go Away! Please LEAVE US THE HELL ALONE. You are not Europeans. You are NOT Westerners. You have NO business here. You and your stupid Kabbala are the cause of so much death and destruction and I want you to LEAVE US THE HELL ALONE! Go Away! You have NO business in Europe or in America to push your stupid "jewish mission"! Your so-called "jewish mission" is destructive! Please get out of our hair! Go Away! Shut the Hell up! YOU Jews have NO business in European politics, in European societies, in Christendom!

Please Go Away! Leave us alone! Please, Go Away! I am sick and tired of you stupid people. You have the Midas touch of destruction. Go Away!

Signed: W. Lindsay Wheeler
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 11.14.07 - 10:24 pm | #

I just realized that I just "re-invented the wheel"! I started with JK Rowling---and I ended up in Nazi propaganda. But it is not really propaganda at all. Germans are a very logical people. Logic is cause and effect. There is a lot of lying, obfuscation of what happened and what led to what. This road can be walked down by anybody willing to do the research.

We are ALL made to believe that the rise of Nazism was "spontaneous", without cause, and the INHERENT evilness of Germans, Gentiles and Christianity in particular! These are all the reasons given by Academia, Churchmen, Intelligentsia, Media, the Jews et. al. 89 years later, one can arrive at the same place with the same information is quite mindblowing. There is such a thing as "Cause and Effect". The Cause of the rise of National Socialism was the de-racination, deconstructionist, and narcissistic ideology of communism. The rise of National Socialism was a benefit to the Internationalist agenda by creating a bogeyman/golem in order to discredit nationalism. The Nazis played into the hand of the backers of Winston Churchill, and FDR and the Jews. The Firebombing of Dresden was just icing on the cake!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 11.15.07 - 7:27 pm | #

Earlier in this thread, I pointed out that there is NO such thing as "Seperation of Church and State". Well, I do have collaboration:

"The modern idea of freedom is thus a legitimate product of the Christian environment; it could not have developed anywhere else. Indeed, one must add that it cannot be separated from this Christian environment and transplanted into any other system, as is shown very clearly today in the renaissance of Islam; the attempt to graft on to Islamic societies what are termed western standards cut loose from their Christian foundations misunderstands the internal logic of Islam as well as the historical logic to which these western standards belong, and hence this attempt was condemned to fail in this form. The construction of society in Islam is theocratic, and therefore monist and not dualist; dualism, which is the precondition for freedom, presupposes for its part the logic of the Christian thing. In practice this means that it is only where the duality of Church and state, of the sacral and the political authority, remains maintained in some form or another that the fundamental pre-condition exists for freedom.

Where the Church itself becomes the state freedom becomes lost. But also when the Church is done away with as a public and publicly relevant authority, then too freedom is extinguished, because there the state once again claims completely for itself the justification of morality; in the profane post-Christian world it does not admittedly do this in the form of a sacral authority but as an ideological authority – that means that the state becomes the party, and since there can no longer be any other authority of the same rank it once again becomes total itself. The ideological state is totalitarian; it must become ideological if it is not balanced by a free but publicly recognized authority of conscience. When this kind of duality does not exist the totalitarian system is unavoidable." Excerpted from "Theology and the Church’s Political Stance" in Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger: Church, Ecumenism and Politics: New Essays in Ecclesiology (NY: Crossroad, 1988)

"Something is happening: we are becoming the first universal nation in
history ... If you believe, as the author does, that the American drama is being played out toward a purpose, then the non-Europeanization of America is heartening news of an almost transcendental quality."

Jewish neo-conservative Ben Wattenberg, The Good News Is The Bad News Is Wrong (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1984), p. 84.

"Australian Jews led the effort to dismantle the "white Australia" policy, one reason for which was cited in an editorial in the Australian Jewish Democrat:

"The strengthening of multicultural or diverse Australia is also our most effective insurance policy against anti-Semitism. The day Australia has a Chinese Australian Governor General I would feel more confident of my freedom to live as a Jewish Australian."

Let's revisit the Enlightenment again:

"I will classify them as belief in perpetual progress toward some ideal state of natural happiness; belief in liberty, equality, and brotherliness as the primary and indispensable ingredients of that happiness; belief in democracy as the infallible means of securing it; belief in the power of unaided human reason to resolve all human problems and ensure that the rights and dignity of all are respected. Evil is chiefly due to ignorance and can therefore effectively be overcome by the right kind of education." from >Enlightenment values: Their Social and Political Implications Over Two Centuries

To prove that this is Euro, I point to Rousseau. Rousseau is a Child of the Englightenment. He is

"was a philosopher of the Enlightenment whose political ideas influenced the French Revolution, the development of both liberal and socialist theory, and the growth of nationalism. from Wikipedia!

Note the words "social" and "nationalism". The flower of the Enlightenment is Rousseau---Do you see de-racination in Rousseau?

NO.

You see "Nationalism"!!!!

De-racination is not in Enlightenment thought!

Communism/International Socialism/Cultural Marxism----is the Jewish contribution! This is NOT part of Enlightenment thought. But Cultural Marxism is NOW EVERYWHERE! in the Church, in the School, in the College, in the Government, in the Media---Everywhere!
WLindsayWheeler | Homepage | 11.16.07 - 7:30 pm | #

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