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The comparison to Luther is apt.
He was a reformer who did his best from his limited perspective. Science was in a poor state back then, and religion seemed to have answers to troubling questions (like demons causing disease, etc.).
Today, we know that supernatural religious ideas answer no real-world questions whatsoever. Trying to end superstition is exactly what someone like Martin Luther would be doing today.
I enjoy how you call Christian ideas "obviously delusional". Does this mean we can start attacking other religions that teach people to be nice to one another, such as Islam, Buddhism, and Zoroastrianism?
Oh, no, probably not, seeing as they are 'minority' faiths. Those can't be touched. But I guess attacking Christianity is fine, since it's the majority faith in this country.
Stop dressing this up as some kind of peaceful political movement. I'm not speaking for any one religion in particular here, but this is just a network of hate-crimes, and I think you know it. It's disgusting that people can get away with such obviously spiteful and mean-spirited things like this in today's society. Leave religion alone; nobody's forcing you to believe in anything.
Giving people information is hate?
Why, I did that at local churches today. In fact, I posted about it on the forum. But no, I had to leave my good camera at home and use one of the crappy CVS things that won't be available for upload until tomorrow.
Ah, well, bravo, Mr. HaCKeR. May the Force be with you.
All I can say is Bravo. I am a college student and get approached at least 3 times a week to "Convert to the word of our savior," and then of course there are banners and chalkings and stupid little pamphlets. we even had someone hand write us a note (dear resident...)
anyway, i am sick of it. it is time they get a taste of their own medicine. Christianity isn't under attack, the people they harass are just fighting back.
You guys are idiots.
You guys are just living out what the Bible says we will see in the "end days". Helping to fufill prophecy...which you don't belive in.
You all sound very afraid and angry. People like you are also explained in the Bible.
Why do you feel it is your personal duty to do this? We'll pass around your info and pray for you.
Oy, Amy, as long as you're praying, can you get me into the part of heaven that has cable?
'Cause it just wouldn't be eternal paradise without Comedy Central.
Spare us your fairy tales you maniacs. Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound? You’re talking about a guy dying and coming back to life and this boogey man called the Devil. We're afraid and angry? You're the ones with the spiteful god and the adherence to a ridiculous set of 2,000 year old rules; which most Christians follow just because of a fear of going to hell. Do you really need a book to give you any real morals and good citizenship? Where is your common sense? Or did god forget to give you that?
Love that bitterness...oh so sweet.
I'll pray for you too.
WOW lol...that funny...i laughed
You guys need to figure out that fortune tellers dont work.... Prophecies dont work.... Thats why everyone laughs at those people in the carnivals... because they're dipshits....
You're right. Fortune tellers are gimics.
Wow that is one unphotogenic (is that a word? If not I want credit for inventing it) scrub! Not a personal attack dude just want to recommend some good acne medication, a razor (for that reeking sideburn) and perhaps dressing like you actualy give a crap about yourself. Looks like you might be sporting a nice pair of tits there too, porky, but that could just be the camara angle. If there is no God all you have left is image!
> "Do you really need a book to give you any real >morals and good citizenship? Where is your common >sense? Or did god forget to give you that?"
Dehydrated Manatee,
Please, have some mercy on those of us who actually DID get left behind in the common sense department. It's true. It's even on the receipt from when the virginal stork delivered me. The part where Common Sense was supposed to be checked off, indeed was not! My parents said they ordered it, but I think the government decided to freeze Common Sense for the time being, especially in the most conservative areas of this Great Nation. So, don't blame my God, my Saviour, my Creator.
Because of that, I DO need the Good Book to guide me through life. I fear that I will go on a mad rampage otherwise. I pray every day for Common Sense, but so far the Lord has other plans for me.
But don't fret for my Soul. I've been making quite a good living "delivering" to the Party in Power, if you know what I mean. Jeff Gannon isn't *everyone's* cup of tea, y'know.
Anyone who believes in prophecy(Amy Ann)read the lecture by Dr Stephen Hawking titled "Does god play dice".. www.hawking.org.uk/lecture/dice.html
Johari if all you have is the ability to launch a personal attack go back and complete 2nd grade at school please....and keep an eye out for upcoming battle reports from Australia......
And if any of of the christians can pray for me to score with 2 gorgeous young ladies tonight it would be appreciated....and if it happens I will convert tommorrow
General, you know the Wisdom of Christianity:
"God helps those who help themselves."
So you just go ahead and help yourself to those two gorgeous young ladies.
Don't forget to be at Mass tomorrow 8 am sharp for the Conversion Ceremony! But if you are still involved and those ladies haven't "helped each other" in your absence, I'll let it go until the 4 pm Mass.
I adored, simply....Happy Easter from Brasil...
To: Kathy K.
Hey I believe in the bible in all but can you give me the scripture that says "God helps those who help themsleves". I don't think I have ever read that before. Just thought if we were going to quote the Bible we should be a little more acruate. Needless to say I don't believe in this war on easter but I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just don't get it.. if God does not exist then why are these people getting so upset about. Why would anyone get so upset about something that does not exist?
Esto
I don't really see why people are up in arms over this. It's not like they are burning down churches or even harassing people. I am a Christian and I really couldn't care less if someone gives me a DVD to watch. In fact, I bought this DVD and watched it. Then, my whole church watched it. If you have no explanation for the "facts" presented in the DVD, how are you going to explain those holes in your faith to your children? If you can't, you shouldn't be dedicating your life to it. Faith is based on reason. Otherwise, what distinguishes between religions? If you just believe something unquestioningly, why did you start believing in it in the first place? If you can't answer that, you need to do some research and thinking. This DVD will do a great job of exposing Christian's lack of knowledge.
What does this DVD point out?
It shows how ignorant many Christians are. I believe that God wants us to think about things, not just accept them blindly.
It also makes claims about the timeline of when books of the new testament were written. (Incidentally, I disagree with the timeline). The point is, THINK FOR YOURSELVES.
If you are searching for truth, then search. There will NEVER be a point in time where you can honestly say: "I know everything now, I can stop thinking". People that are ridiculing each other here have done precisely that. But they don't know everything!
Calling people names will only strenghten their resolve that you are a WACKO. But if you want to employ that completely ineffective technique to defend your stance, be my guest.
Carry on.
Estavon,
You silly rabbit, I never said I was quoting from the Good Book, now did I? Are you trying to put something in my mouth? Hmm... are you a Catholic Priest, by any chance?
For your Penance, say 100 Our Fathers, 50 Hail Mary's, and "Do the Rosary" (as we say in the Convent) 69 times.
I would hope somewhere along in your devoted Christian life, you have heard the wisdom "God helps those who help themselves." It means don't just sit there praying and expect everything to be handed to you on a silver platter. (There are exceptions, of course, for the Truly Blessed, right Paris?) In that light, I was trying to help the general see that God wasn't going to just drop those 2 gorgeous babes in his lap. He'd have to entice them somehow. You know, do his part in the deal.
We haven't heard from the general, but I suspect he was praying for strength later that night.
Kathy wrote:
"General, you know the Wisdom of Christianity:
God helps those who helps himself."
Really? Where does it say that? I've never read that in my Bible.
That sounds like a secular saying to me. Mind finding that one in the Bible for me Kathy?
I recall this one: "For everyone who asks recieves; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened."
God clearly states He will give us what we ask for by asking when He goes on to say:
"Which of you, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for fish will give him a snake? If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! So in everything, do unto others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."
Ed,
Looks like we have another Catholic Priest here trying to put something of theirs in someone else's mouth!
You can refer to my reply to Estavon. Only since you should know better by now, your Penance is increase a hundred fold.
I'm here KK I was just busy in the war room....
Sorry Kathy, I'm not catholic. Do you realize that protestants and catholics have some different doctrines? I appears that whenever a Christian speaks you presume they are catholic priests. Why is that?
You also seem to have anger over catholicism. Is this borne out of the sex abuse scandal in the press or has something happened to you personally? I will pray that you can get over whatever it was that harmed you.
I find the fact that different fundies waste their time and come here to complain and call us names. How sad, go back to your grand dillusion.
All I can say is that I am sad I didnt hear about this before I went home, other wise my college would have had a lot of flyers everywhere.. hehe
Free Your Mind
Duh, Ed, I didn't know there was any difference at all between protestants and catholics. Gee, I thought they were exactly the same but wanted to go by different names, like gangs.
Yeah, my bag is catholicism. I'm not assuming every christian is catholic. I only asked if a couple of you were catholic priests because of the way you were acting, saying we said things we never said. Or "putting things in our mouths." A little humor Ed. Sorry, it's probably not in your Bible Book Guide to Life.
Are you not angry over the catholic church's handling of the sex abuse that went on behind closed confessionals?
You can pray all you want, but I must warn you that I have my Prayer Shield up! .... another joke, Ed, don't get excited.
If you don't want Chritians to post comments on this site, what is the point of it being here?
Do you just want to sit around and pat each other on the back?
I thought you wanted to spread your message to people that don't agree with it.
Here's an idea, stop calling people names like a 2-year old and post some decent information. Examples would be names of books (ISBN would be good) that uphold your beliefs, links to informative websites and any other documentation that may be pertinent.
Or you could continue to act like children and make this site completely useless.
That goes for Christians and Athiests both.
I know for a fact that there are ex-athiest scientists that have written books with compelling arguments. I also know there are ex-christians that have done the same. Let's talk about things of substance, rather than: "You're a poo-poo face and my daddy can beat up your daddy" jibberish.
I'm guessing any attempt at reason such as this will be ignored and the name-calling will continue, but I'm trying to be a glass half-full kind of a guy.
Continue....
"Are you not angry over the catholic church's handling of the sex abuse that went on behind closed confessionals?"
Yep. It sickens me.
My goodness. The silence is deafening!
Ok, since you were all obviously LOST at the part where I asked you to THINK, I'll get you started with a couple of examples. To be fair, I will reference two books. One defending Athiesm. The other, defending God.
God first. It's only fair since I lean that way 
Try out "What is Creation Science". ISBN: 0890510814
You can get it on Amazon for $10. This book immediately tears into Evolutionary theory. They make very good points. I actually have a BS in biology, and there is no really good answer to many of their points. Essentially, evolution is simply heresay. Nobody has EVER witnessed speciation (the formation of a new species). That is somewhat controversial though. Some claim that coyotes and wolves mated to for the Red Wolf. Perhaps this is a new species. But their point is that no new species has EVER been formed in human history through mutation. Types of adaptation have certainly been observed, but not macro-evolution. On the other hand, human eyes actually witnessed Jesus. You can say they were lying, but at least it happened in recorded human history. Give me ONE SINGLE EXAMPLE of a new species forming from random mutation... And I'm sorry, the movie X-Men doesn't count :-P Magneto didn't really do that in real life.
Ok, now for Athiesm:
Take a look at "The Ascent of Science"
ISBN:0195134273
You can purchase this one on Amazon for $32.50 (Apparently Athiests think their opinions are worth more
Anyway, Brian Silver makes some very good points as far as the provability of God. He has some tirades about the silliness of religion, but with firm foundation in Science, he makes some very good points.
Your homework is to arm yourselves with some real knowledge rather than silly cliches and name-calling. Pick up a book and learn to read if you haven't already.
If it isn't obvious, I am a bit sickened by the complete stupidity on this site. How many of you have college degrees? If you have one and you are engaging in this idiotic banter, you probably paid $15 for it on the internet. Otherwise, you don't deserve it. Christian? Athiest? Who cares if you don't have anything intelligent to say.
This kind of ignorance and lack of thought is the cause of a LOT of human suffering. Blindly defending a cause without an open mind is just ridiculous.
I welcome any INTELLIGENT criticism.
God Love Everyone. God is like oxegen, unseen, but essentil to live. He will always be there for you, no matter what all you need to do is ask. He has given you the gift of salvation, it is you who must accept it or decline it, but he wants you to have it.
I could say that God is a Green Alien from the planet Zepod. You can't see Him, but don't worry, He loves you and you need him. WHY do you believe in God? WHY must He exist? If you tell me that He must exist because it feels right, then I guess the conversation is over.
I could say that God is a Green Alien from the planet Zepod. You can't see Him, but don't worry, He loves you and you need him. WHY do you believe in God? WHY must He exist? If you tell me that He must exist because it feels right, then I guess the conversation is over.
More info on the Red Wolf as a species. Like I said, it is somewhat controversial. But this is as close to true, documented speciation as can be found. There simply isn't any true mutation-driven speciation that has happened in recorded history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Wolf
Isn't the wikipedia cool?
Incidentally, I completely agree that micro-evolution occurs. This is a natural selection phenomenon.
For example heterozygous sickle-cell anemia occurs in extremely high rates in parts of Africa. Why? because heterozygous sickle-cell anemia makes one highly resistant to Malaria. The red blood cell becomes a poor host. The natural pressure of deadly Malaria pushed the population of humans toward an otherwise un-natural equilibrium.
There are countless examples of such things. But show me the person with the mutated third-eye that can detect predators more effectively.
BTW, Christian Goth, I agree that you should stop spelling it "oxegen". It's embarrasing. It is spelled "oxygen".
Not_So_Atheist:
Are you so sure about there being no observed cases of speciation? Maybe you should check out PubMed. I myself have read numerous documented occurances of speciation, and I'm not just talking about proposed historical occurances.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entr....fcgi?
DB=pubmed
Also, look through these:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/
...speciation.html
http://users.rcn.com/
jkimball.ma...Speciation.html
http://www.actionbioscience.org/...tion/
irwin.html
(This one is an interesting discussion on Ring Species Speciation)
and some useful information about Speciation Models:
http://biomed.brown.edu/Courses/.../
21.Models.HTML
http://bio.research.ucsc.edu/~ba...ion/
SPECIES.HTM
*Not_Quite_Atheist
Sorry for the mixup.
Not_quite_atheist you are Not_so_bright as you claim to be.Evolution takes TIME(millions of years) so why would there be any macroevolution in human recorded history?The world has been around a lot longer than the first human who wanted to record anything.Did you really recieve a degree from a university or do you just have faith that you did?
I would want you to show you someone with a third eye Not_so_bright but the human brain does not have the capacity to take in ALL of the information from two eyes so why would a third eye evolve?It says something similar right here in my 9th grade science text.There are other important things (e.g. running,walking,throwing,grasping)that take up some brain capacity while hunting.Now, I realise you only used the 3eyed dude as an example, but anyone who claims to know something of biology would have chosen a possible example.
I know you will write 3500 words in your next post Not_quite_atheist(a lot of it copied from a text book no doubt).So please submit your opinion on this specific question.Christians claim (correct me if I am wrong) that god created man in his own image(somewhere in genesis I believe, I don't own a bible so correct me if I am wrong again).Why would an all powerful being create such a fragile, inefficient body for our souls to live in on his earth?If I could design a body/form to cruise the universe in it would not be this akward design that we are supposed to be.I am looking forward to reading your reply.In the meantime,since it is now easter saturday here,I have a mission to complete...off to the war room (which is conveniently located in my local pub).Take it easy...
General,
I'll try to keep it brief. Why would anything beyond binocular vision be impossible? Clearly, the brain must accomodate the vision system. Of course you can't put a highly complex binocular vision system into a roundworm and expect its ganglia to process all the information. When you say we can't process all the visual information, I assume you are referring to the brain really only processing info from the fovea and treating the rest of the info as peripheral vision.
Having a third eye in the back of your head that could detect movement would certainly be an advantage. The brain would have to evolve along with that third eye, but it would have had to evolve to accomodate binoclar vision in the first place. So thanks for agreeing with me that human vision is far too complex to evolve from a simpler organism.
General,
As far as why God would not create superheroes since we are created "in his own image":
It is possible that God was not talking about our physical prowess. We are the only species on this planet that is capable of such a high level of thought. Perhaps there are others, but I have not met them. Either way, it is a fairly shallow assumption that God was referring to our physical bodies.
If you said your sister was just like you. I would not assume that means you have female genitals (or vice-versa). I would assume you were talking about her personality or way of thinking. It would not be a physical comparison.
Good question though.
General,
In response to your post about macro-evolution taking millions of years:
That is EXACTLY my point. You have faith in something that has relatively weak evidence. I'm not even saying that I think macro-evolution is completely false. What I AM saying is that you are placing your faith in something that you have not observed.
Another case in point:
Many Athiests have a serious problem with Jesus because he walked the earth all of 2000 years ago. But they have no problem accepting theories about things that took place over the last several million years. This double-standard does not make sense.
You have dodged the simple question of why a perfect designer would design himself an imperfect body.How does a perfect being have imperfect thoughts to enable him to design an imperfect body/form?I have not supported your argument with any comment I made earlier(as I was referring to the brain as it is now).If 3 eyes is advantageous to humans why did'nt the perfect designer give us 3 eyes.Or 30.Or 100.
Mewtwo_X,
I response to your posts:
Thank you for an intelligent response. "The General" could learn a lot from you. For the sake of time, I scanned your references. I will continue to read them. That having been said. You obviously know enough about biology to agree that defining a species is a sticky subject. Also, most examples I saw involved human interference or new "species" being formed by cross-breeding two other species. I have also read several accounts of new species forming, but they are all very controversial, even among researchers.
As I said above, I am not trying to disprove macro-evolution in its entirety. My point is that it is certainly not a completely proved theory as many would claim.
General,
Why wouldn't God give us perfect bodies? Why would he? Why wouldn't he just create a robot that does everything he wants it to do? If he is perfect, why would he want us in the first place? I don't know.
I also don't know why atoms are attracted to each other to form what we know as gravity. And neither does anyone else for that matter.
I believe that God did not make us in his physical image. I believe that He was referring to a level of intellect. Distinguishing between good and evil is something that is unique to humans and God.
Thats why I wrote body/FORM(I was not only referring to a physical body).Did you witness a creator creating everything?And where did I state I was an atheist?I may be hindu.Just because I support the war on easter does not mean I am an atheist.And where did I state that I believed in evolution?I am simply arguing points of contention not taking sides as it appears you are.You don't even comprehend written english enough to argue your case.Thanks for the fun time, I'll be at the bar....
Whoaaa,
Settle down there General! Don't take everything so personally. Form usually means physical manifestation. I'm sorry if I didn't associate "form" with an intellectual quality. Anywho, I can see people are getting whipped up into a frenzy over this stuff, so I'll let you all have your fun. As far as I'm concerned, I think it's great that you guys are telling people what you think. Just don't start beating people up or anything. I can almost guarantee that if this thing goes on too much longer something bad is going to happen. People are people whether they are Hindu, Christian, Athiest... whatever.
For example, "FaceHammer" has been posting on some of these threads. He has a link to his website. I checked it out. It gave me a chuckle. But that guy is asking to get the crap kicked out of him by pretty much everybody. I don't know that I have seen such crazy cynicism too many places.
He is a programmer and in my experience, not too many programmers can fight their way out of paper bag.
Just remember, there are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those that know binary, and those that don't.
Enjoy your beer and your war. At ease.
Happy Easter
It is time for us to reconsider our religion. We know that every society that has ever existed has had their beliefs. Isn’t it obvious that we were created to believe in something? Jesus was sent to save us, at a time and place, when the people were ready to accept a savior. Thus was born Christianity. When people were ready it happened again in other forms and in other places. And other forms of religion were born. Why are we being taught that the way we believe is the only time that a savior was sent? Can you believe that our creator tried only once and gave up? What is important? What we believe or how we live? It is time for us to accept all religions, and denounce the leaders that tell us that their way is the only way. Has our creator really tried only once to show us the way? Are we going to continue to kill each other to support those that think so? It is time for us to reconsider our religion. There isn’t just one way!
That's an interesting idea. It sure would help things out in Israel/Palestine. That's an ugly place right now. A little tolerance from all people would be the best thing. Atheists would do better to set an example than to jump in and become what they hate.
Ultimately, we teach our children by example. We can talk all we want, but they will do what we do. If we want the world to be a better place, start setting an example of tolerance. Throwing your propaganda in other people's faces is just perpetuating the problem everyone on this site is complaining about.
I guess I'm a little cynical about people. Very few are actually capable of being consistently good and kind.
Whether you believe in Jesus or not, it might not be a bad idea to emulate His behaviour.
This is amazing. Either there is a fundamental misunderstanding of the work of Luther, or you are intentionally misleading. Luther was not interested in making "trouble". His interest was to call the church to Biblical sanity. Have you even read the 95 thesis?
Your credibility would be helped by actually making accurate historical comparisons. There is nothing similar between this joke called a "War on Easter" and the Reformation.
At first I was troubled by this blog. But now, after reading this post, i am far less troubled. If you are not capable of accurately representing such a simple thing as Luther's work and intentions, well... what do you get right? So far, it doesn't look like much.
But keep this up. Some of us need a good laugh some times. It helps us to remember not to take ourselves too seriously.
Paul C. Quillman
Fecisti nos ad te et inquietum est cor nostrum, donec requiescat in te...
-- Augustine, Confessions 1:1
Personally, I do think religion is a real problem. It spawns such distastefull things as discrimination and anti-feminism. Cristioans haveone of the longest histories of attacking people for not beleiving their book. Take for example the crusades. How many people died? And then thereis slavery, one of the excuses for that bad mark in history was that the "good cristians" just wanted to "save the heathens." This also seemed to work for imperialism.
now on to anti-feminism. God made man in his image, and then took mans sparerib to make woman... for the purpose of serving man alone. The bible says women cant stand or speak in church, because they are not equal.
And now for my last point. Global warming. this is a real problem,but 44% percent of americans have conviced themselves that jesus is coming back to wisk them away to paradise before the ice caps melt. that means their comtent to sit on their hineys and destroy the world around them... not believing in future generations, they don't care about them.
Pink Flamingo,
God did not make woman from the bone of mans heel. If that were the case, your rant would be correct, but it is not. God took a bone from Adams side to make a woman to be a helper, not a foot stool. Biblically, ,man and woman walk side by side, and God treats them as equals while respecting their differences. Maybe you should re-read the whole Bible again, and not just the parts that you can take out of context to fit your own personal rant.
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