Careful Warren, ya might get some death threats.
I never understood pro-lifers that threaten death. It's an oxymoron no?
That is extremist rhetoric at it's undebatable worst. There's no intelligent response to that, other than the fact that those who seem to dislike Muslim extremists so much sure have a lot in common with them: they both want to restrict civil liberties.
You say it's from Free Mark Steyn, but you lie. The image clearly shows it's from "unaborted.wordpress.com"
Nice to see you're not compromising the principles you established during your tenure running Liberal election campaigns, Warren.
The image isn't from Free Mark Steyn.
To be fair, he has always kept an arm's length distance between himself and that site and it is probably for the best. I am not sure if it is because of a lack of material or not, but the site has been picking up on a lot more issues than free speech lately (i.e. abortion, intelligent design, etc.). These issues all have their place in the public debate, but it makes for an awkward situation when they are lumped in with free speech.
I'm not much of a religious person but I do believe that aborting viable children on a mother's whim destroys a persons soul.
It takes two to tango but you never hear about those fathers who did the deed.
Why are they never held to account for their responsability as sperm donors?
There's always a cause and effect to everything we do, planned or otherwise.
If you never want to be an alchoholic never take that first drink, just like if you don't want an unwanted pregnancy don't have pre-marital sex.
As Canada's abortion laws have been struck down a baby can be aborted right up to the point of delivery, and in some jurisdictions they are aborted when partially birthed.
To give the Order of Canada to this man is an abomination.
Thats sickening to the max, abortion laws non-withstanding.
After having a partial birth abortion described to me by a nurse (Jill Stanek) my mind was made up.
http://www.jillstanek.com/bio.html
Seems to me that the Supreme Court of Canada has just added legitimacy to these sorts of comparisons--unanimously.
Mr. Whittle. How many partial birth abortions are done a year and for what reason?
"You say it's from Free Mark Steyn, but you lie. The image clearly shows it's from "unaborted.wordpress.com""
and if you'd got to Mark Steyn's site (which I did - shower time) you'd find that it is currently THE FIRST LINK ON THE WHOLE PAGE.
God I hate lazy right wing people.
So Morgantaler thinks that that the killimg of 6 million Jews was the result of a man who was mistreated by a Jewish family and then took it out on the Jewish population. So Henry must in his mind kill all so called unwanted babies thus to avoid another Hitler?
For once in my life I pity the man and his inner angst.
How horrible of a life to live-the fact is I think that is a cop-out and not his real reason.
The real reason is $$$$ thats right $$$, millions in fact, in his for profit clinics.
Furthermore there are no unwanted children as God has a plan for ever child and sorry Henry you are not God, but you can tell him that yourself when you meet him.
extremely shameful
While the Morgantaler argument is not likely to be solved in my lifetime - and I'm 26 - the rhetoric used by many to describe the man tends to border on the insane. In this case, it goes well beyond that, obviously.
For all those claiming that Morgentaler is driven purely for profit, please have a look into his consistent effort promoting the use of public funds for such services. While I don't necessarily agree with that approach, it shows that profit is far from the only motivation of Dr. Morgentaler.
OMG Mr. Whittle you are so wrong. At this point in many Canadian provinces (especially in the maritimes) it is quite difficult for women to get access abortion services even if their lives are in medical danger. This partial birth argument is just crap. Like Cameron I demand that you present credible evidence of examples of this procedure being done in a case where either the mother was not in mortal danger or the fetus was in fact viable. I doubt you could provide one example.
Merle - Dr. Morgentaler has indeed noted that his personal Holocaust experience has informed his beliefs that every child born must be a wanted child. Yes he does believe that children that are wanted, loved and cared for are less likely to grow into adults capable of hate and committing atrocities like those of the Holocaust. I don't believe that he ever said that access to reproductive choice would eliminate all atrocities committed by humans. This said, his basic premise is not without merit.
To be fair, he has always kept an arm's length distance between himself and that site and it is probably for the best.
No he hasn't. Steynonline links to the site.
Get your facts straight.
If you believe that unborn children are human beings, it's a legitimate comparison.
I read yesterday of Morgentalers great courage...Did the babies put up that much of a fight?
I think the real issue, which no one wants to address, is all the sperm that die needlessly from immoral monkey spanker's. It is astounding when you look at the numbers. Millions upon millions of sperm die needlessly in a wad of Kleenex®. Come on people, Kleenex® cannot support the life of a sperm. Hello. Sperm is for the vagina, to create more followers. We must unite against the monkey spanker's. Humiliate them into submission! We must be vigilant. Report all monkey spanker's! Point your wagging finger at them! Tell them about hairy palms! It is in the Bible… Somewhere… I just have not gotten to that part yet. It would be easier if it had an index.
I find humour is the best medicine.
Absolutely shameful. As someone above noted, these right-winger nutters are so devoted to the sanctity of life that they don't care whose they ruin in their march to salvation.
As the product of an "oops" my views on abortion, though complex, tend to the pro-life side.
That said, pro-lifers do themselves no favors with stuff like this. It will create sympathy for a man, who like his more ardent supporters, I find repulsive and egocentric.
As for OC, as long as a convicted felon who renounced his Canadian citizenship retains his OC, does it really mean much?
Furthermore there are no unwanted children as God has a plan for ever child and sorry Henry you are not God, but you can tell him that yourself when you meet him.
You got your god in my reproductive rights.
I was just wondering how many of the pro-lifers actually back up their rhetoric, by fostering or adopting unwanted children? Or by volunteering in foster homes or orphanages, or by belonging to big brothers and sisters organizations? If they haven't, then who are they to say anything if they won't do something?
I'm always confused by the logic of those who say "well, it doesn't happen" or "it doesn't happen often" as an argument in favour of not disallowing a specific practice.
I've never had my land forcibly seized by a tyranical government, but I'm an advocate for individual property rights.
In the same way, whether or not I know of any examples of partial-birth abortions, I'm an advocate for at least some consideration of rights for the unborn.
To me, it seems wrong that a fetus/baby at nine months, but before birth, can have no rights whatsoever. The radically pro-abortion crowd appear loathe to discuss that point.
Cameron: if the image is indeed, as Warren has it, "from the Mark Steyn-sanctioned website, Free Mark Steyn", then can you give us the URL then?
The URL that Warren screen captured is not from either Steyn's site, or Free Mark Steyn.
Henry doesn't care for woman or babies. There are many many women out there who are not able to have children. They would love to adopt and care for these babies who would then NOT become "unwanted babies". To say that Henry cares about women is a stretch, because he doesn't care for so many couples who would love to adopt but CAN'T find babies to adopt thanks to the SSC and Henry. It is all about $$$ and nothing else!
So Henry M. survived genocide only to make living exterminating innocent people in their womb?
I am confused while my guitar gently weeps.
It's hideous and there's no excuse for it, and that's all there is to it.
You don't see anti-abortionists picketing drugstores or killing pharmacists because they make available the "morning-after" pill.
What's qualitatively different about that? Nothing.
It's been to the Supreme Court and back. Women have, and should continue to have the right to choose.
Other than that it's up to each person's conscience. End of story.
Morgentaler sullies the Order of Canada. I can be convinced that some abortions are necessary, and I can be convinced that abortion before a certain time is less than a crime, but the lack of any law in Canada, thanks to Morgentaler, is a disgrace.
Further, the fact that Morgentaler is a survivor of the Holocaust should, you would think, make him value life all the more. One can only think the experience damaged his soul so badly he lost the ability to see right from wrong. He is someone to pity not to give the highest civilian award to.
"You say it's from Free Mark Steyn, but you lie. The image clearly shows it's from "unaborted.wordpress.com""
and if you'd got to Mark Steyn's site (which I did - shower time) you'd find that it is currently THE FIRST LINK ON THE WHOLE PAGE.
Just looked at Steyn's website. The first link on it, assuming you ignore the assorted navigation/sales bars, is to Ezra Levant's blog. The rest of the links are to assorted other blogs not beloved of our proprietor, and to assorted things written by Steyn himself. But none point to unaborted.wordpress.com, or anything even close to it. Unless the site's been changed in the last 10 hours - and I doubt it has, given that it's on hiatus due to international travel - you'd do well to make less easily falsifiable claims in future.
I never understood why, with the exception of rape/incest, we do not hold women accountable to their "choice" being when they decide to spread their legs and have sex with a partner. Surely that's where conscience "choice" should be made, not with a viable fetus. I don't think we should be making Morgentaler out to be a Nazi, but by gosh he's got the blood of millions of Canadian humans on his hands. If there is an afterlife and a day of reckoning, I imagine Hitler and Morgantaler will be sharing whatever reward is coming to both of them.
Killing babies should be hard and inconvenient. Good to see you leftists caring so much about human lives. So let me get this straight. Killing 6 million in coke ovens and chemical showers is bad (duh) but killing three million in the womb is something to be commended? What is wrong with you people?
Can someone help me out on this one? Portraying Mortengaler as a Nazi is in Warren's opinion bad. I agree with him on that. Then a few lines later he calls Kathy Shaidle a white supremacist,which is weasel words for nazi,and that is OK? A bit of a double standard there,wouldn't you think?
Ew.
Well Steyn may run with doucebags, but he's STILL CORRECT on the "Human Rights" people. 
According to the scale of consciousness discovered by Dr D. Hawkins and without any opinions.
Bacteria......1
Rodents......105
Nazi/Fascism.....35/125
Free Speech (1955)..255....(2007)...180
Abortion pill...208
To paraphrase the late George Carlin:
Why is that conservatives care more about you before your born then after?
Because, once your born; They believe you should survive on your own without any help. No public health care, no public education, no public day care, etc.
To this day, no one has explained this duplicity to me? Warren, can you help?
James Goneaux, it's the top link on his site.
Go look for yourself.
He's linked to it, he's put the link on his site, he's endorsing it.
Pussy proxy war right wing babies should no longer get a free ride.
From the moment that I found out that Dr. Morgantaler was going to receive the Order of Canada, I’ve never been prouder to be a Canadian.
Quimby! Seriously, you need help with that question?
Conservatives like to help people who can't help themselves. They don't like to help people who can, but won't, help themselves.
Because Morgentaler is a camp survivor and has never, to my knowledge, expressed the urge to kill people based on their ethnicity or class?
Seriously, Meany
WTF does that mean?
Conservatives like to help themselves.
The part I like is where abortion becomes the safe & easy method of gender selection. And guess which gender is not being selected for survival. Be carefull what you wish for.
If you say so, Cameron. You have a different meaning of "on" than I do, I guess. If a link is an endorsement, you do realize you are opening up a VERY large can of worms...
Why is it that MSM will run cute seal pups getting their brains bashed in on the news to suit the anti sealing crowd's agenda but when there is a anti abortion story they don't show aborted babies? Oh I know why,its because if they did people who are pro abortion now would probably change their minds.
The pictures aren't on FreeMarkSteyn, nor by the author of that site (try http://marginalizedactiondinosaur.net). The UnAborted site is also by me, however. Seemed logical to move the Morgentaler links offsite.
If people dislike the image, just let me know, and the composer thereof. Since people can't get the sites right, nor click the links to find out where the images came from, nor engage in any sort of discussion except trying to slag Steyn and score cheap rhetorical points... well, asking for reasonable discussion or objections is a bit beyond the current level of debate.
Binks
FreeMarkSteyn Scumbag
WebElf Report Scumbag
Unaborted Site Scumbag
I'm pro-choice. As a lawyer, I found Morgantaler's position easier to support than that of his antithesis, Joe Borowski. I am strongly opposed to anyone seeking to impose, by violence or tyranny of the state, their version of "correct society" - but I am always amazed by how the left seems to be happily ignorant of their own fascism while throwing the term out like confetti to criticize the right.
One might check into their history books, to recall that the Nazi's originated from the German National Socialist Party, and Musollini, before he became a fascist, was an avowed socialist as well..
As for the Order of Canada - I believe that giving the award to someone as clearly politicized as Morgentaler is at least disrepectful of the millions of Canadians who remain so strongly committed to their point of view, and, may yet haunt our historical conscience if prevailing wisdom somewhere down the road decides us pro-choice people were wrong... imagine an order of Canada to the originator of the Residential School program..
James, if Warren ran a link to something comparable I'd be very surprised if you applied the same set of standards.
I would.
Lines crossed by people who you agree with are still lines that have been crossed.
McGuinty supports Morgentaler's appointment: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/
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Why does Macleans have this unlettered disc jockey publishing in every issue? Aside from being a conservative shill and Conrad Black apologist, (I wonder if he believes Alan Eagleson got a bad rap too?) Steyn is dangerous. His borderline (and narrow-minded) culture-bound rhetoric on Islam is dangerous in a country that is ostensibly geared toward inclusion.
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