Again, look at the half-full glass. The Jews were expelled from Christian Spain and found refuge in Islamic lands. That's why today there exists a Turkish-Moroccan synagogue in my city, attended by Jews with surnames like Sevilla or Toledano.
It's true that Jewish-Muslim coexistence was not perfect, as claimed by some, but it's also true that it can't be summarized by making a list of the occasional massacres.
Thanks for the Dhimmitude
Want to have a taste of Dhimmitude? Be an Arab in Israel.
The Jews were expelled from Christian Spain and found refuge in Islamic lands.
They found refuge from the Muslim Almohades in the Xian parts of Spain.
It's true that Jewish-Muslim coexistence was not perfect, as claimed by some, but it's also true that it can't be summarized by making a list of the occasional massacres.
Only one verse of my song parody was about massacres. Jews were generally second-class citizens in Muslim lands, and that's an understatement. They avoided some of the extreme catastrophes of their existence in Xian Europe, but the high points in Europe were often better than anything they were achieving in Muslim countries at the same time.
Want to have a taste of Dhimmitude? Be an Arab in Israel.
Arabs face discrimination and other problems in Israel while also enjoying benefits of a free society denied to many other Arabs. But the specifically Muslim institution of Dhimmitude is more relevant to the situation of Jews in Iran, Xians in Egypt, etc.
They found refuge from the Muslim Almohades in the Xian parts of Spain.
Some Jews fleeing the Almohads in fact settled in Christian Spain, which they would later regret. Most, however, went to live under more tolerant Muslim regimes. A prominent example was Maimonides.
In any event this doesn't contradict my statement that Jews escaping Spain's Catholic Monarchs found refuge, for the most part, in Muslim lands.
Arabs face discrimination and other problems in Israel while also enjoying benefits of a free society denied to many other Arabs. But the specifically Muslim institution of Dhimmitude is more relevant to the situation of Jews in Iran, Xians in Egypt, etc.
The "specifically Muslim institution of Dhimmitude" doesn't exist in either Iran or Egypt. What you mean is the modern interpretation of the concept as a status of second-class, despised citizens experienced by minorities in certain countries with a hegemonic ethnic group.
In that regard, I would say that Arabs in Israel are much more Dhimmi-like than Jews in Iran. They don't enjoy the most basic benefit of a free society: the right to live wherever they want in their own country.
"In that regard, I would say that Arabs in Israel are much more Dhimmi-like than Jews in Iran. They don't enjoy the most basic benefit of a free society: the right to live wherever they want in their own country."
Blatant lie. Israeli Arabs may buy prooperty wherever they want, and often do. There is not one Islamic state in history that had as many Jewish representative in their congress, as much as Israel has Muslim Arabs in congress. Some of the Muslims in congress even support Palestinian terrorism (Muslims supporting terrorism? What a shocker).
Lets cry for the Arabs in Israel who have more rights than they have in Arabic countries.
What you mean is the modern interpretation of the concept as a status of second-class, despised citizens experienced by minorities in certain countries with a hegemonic ethnic group.
I don't know about that. I mean, for instance, that a Jew cannot be the principal of a Jewish school in Iran; the principal must be a Muslim. I think there is a theological idea there that non-Muslims must be in a subordinate or inferior position. Another example: a Jew converts to Islam and inherits all his familiy's property.
Ibn Yusuf, your vile comments imply that Jews should have to choose between these two evils.
In case you have forgotten, there is also the choice of Zionism, and you yourself make an excellent case for it.
Blatant lie. Israeli Arabs may buy prooperty wherever they want, and often do.
Wrong on several counts: 1) land can't be bought in Israel, only leased; 2) land belonging to the Jewish National Fund may not be leased to non-Jews, according to the JNF's racist statutes; 3) Israeli Arabs who were displaced by the Israeli army (such as the inhabitants of Iqrit, Birim, Ein Hod) are not allowed to return to live in their villages; 4) kibbutzim do not accept non-Jewish members; 5) Arabs who have tried to move into Jewish towns (such as nurse Adel Kaadan) have been blocked from doing so by legal and other means.
There is not one Islamic state in history that had as many Jewish representative in their congress, as much as Israel has Muslim Arabs in congress.
By law, Arab members of the Knesset are forbidden from advocating the idea that Israel should become a state of all its citizens. I.e. they may sit in the Knesset, provided they don't seek full equality for Arabs.
I think there is a theological idea there that non-Muslims must be in a subordinate or inferior position.
In Israel, there is an idea that non-Jewish citizens are not as worth as Jewish ones. Referring to terrorist attacks (in which, as you know, Israeli Arabs have also been killed), Mr. Ehud Barak has claimed that "no one who has Jewish blood on their hands will be safe." One would have expected "Israeli blood."
In any event this doesn't contradict my statement that Jews escaping Spain's Catholic Monarchs found refuge, for the most part, in Muslim lands.
I didn't present it as a contradiction. I was just adding perspective. Muslim Spain became toxic to Jews eventually. The Jewish intellectual flowering continued in Xian Spain. Then that soured. The moderately dismal but consistent conditions the Jews encountered thereafter in the Muslim world were not conducive to anything like the Spanish intellectual flowering. European Jewry, despite Europe's frequent disastrous eruptions of anti-Semitic violence, still went on to produce more great scholars than Jewry in the Muslim world in the early modern centuries. There were exceptions to this generalization, of course. One of them was Eretz Yisrael.
By law, Arab members of the Knesset are forbidden from advocating the idea that Israel should become a state of all its citizens.
Do you have a source for the wording of that law?
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