Viva Espania!
Makes for grim reading. I wonder what the warmongers' response to this will be.
Well, "JG", this war monger couldn't care less.
Actually, calling us war mongers is an ignorant misnomer. We don't wage war on cockroaches or fire ants. We simply exterminate the vermin.
Just kill them all and take the oil. It is ours by right of conquest.
Then move on to Saudi Arabia and Iran. It is not necessary to fight any "wars". One Trident submarine carries 24 missles, each of which has 3 to 5 warheads.
Kill them.
Kill them all.
Kill them now.
To do list in Iraq:
1. cause a food shortage
2. perform a high-level assassination
3. conduct an attack that unleashes ethnic hatreds
busy busy busy!
Zeyad look at how frantic the American propagandists are on this blog. They really hate when anyone points out that the American endeavor in Iraq has been pure Garbage. Their only "success" was the "democratic process" which resulted in an "elected government" which the U.S. does not even trust enough to coordinate raids with (this weekends attack on Maliki's hometown). The current leaders are as corrupt as the former leader except these are actually more inept than he was. But no one should mention that, because these guys have to get a chance to fuck the people over too. For fairness sake.
Zeyad isn't it illegal to actively call for killing people?
Kill them.
Kill them all.
Kill them now.
Willy Pete
Turn the bastard in.
Fernando Torres ate my hamster!
"Zeyad look at how frantic the American propagandists are on this blog."
AJ, look how desperate the ineptly-named "antiwar" movement is--with their continued use of the fictitious psychopath we all know as "Willy Pete".
I suppose it is possible that the likes of John Hagee and Rod Parlsey have dispatched an online troll to Zeyad's blog to call for the destruction of Islam, but more likely than not, this is a meager attempt by a disgruntled "antiwar" activist to group those of who defend the liberation of Iraq as "warmongers", even though the only people people who share "Willy Pete's" calls for the destruction of Islam and Iraq are the people who possess so much hatred for George W. Bush that they jump up and down every time a bomb goes off, and serve as unnofficial propaganda ministers for the "resistance" by promoting every negative thing that has happened in Iraq.
Zeyad, I have been reading some of your previous work from a couple years back, and I don't understand what has happened to you.
How are you helping to heal Iraq by looking for every bad thing there is?
Are there any suggestions on how to make the situation better?
Zeyad habibi this piece of kherra C.H. wants to know what happened to you.
C.H. you kherra one of the things that happened was that your soldiers pushed his cousin into a body of water and drowned him and then those pieces of shit were exonerated.
C.H
OK, so...
If there is a demented anti-war troll raving about america being the greatest of evils then he's precisely a demented anti-war troll.
If there's a demented pro-war troll raving about the evils of Islam and/or arabs then he's really a demented anti-war troll sneakily posing as a demented pro-war troll.
Is that about it?
, Marcus.
News:
Empty woofing:
"Iraqi government officials on Sunday criticized the American military for two recent attacks in which soldiers killed people who the government said were civilians.[...] These two shootings “are a violation of the law and an encroachment on Iraqi sovereignty,” said a statement from the General Command of the Iraqi armed forces. “We demand the coalition force to arrest their employees and refer them to the judiciary because their crimes were committed in cold blood.”"
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/3...rld&
oref=slogin
US kill Maliki's relative; questions raised about sovereignty:
"Two aspects of the covert operation infuriated Iraqi officials, from the Karbala council building all the way to the Baghdad government headquarters. One is that the raid occurred within Karbala province, one of nine provinces ostensibly under full Iraqi control. The U.S. military handed over Karbala security in October 2007; Iraqi authorities say the raid was conducted without their knowledge or coordination. The second is that the man described by the military as "a local security guard" was actually a cousin of Maliki's and served as the personal bodyguard of Maliki's sister, relatives and Iraqi officials said"
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homep...tory/
42641.html
Looks like my assertions of US involvement in the Iraqi oil sector on the Oil Thread were right:
"A group of American advisers led by a small State Department team played an integral part in drawing up contracts between the Iraqi government and five major Western oil companies to develop some of the largest fields in Iraq, U.S. officials say. The disclosure, coming on the eve of the contracts' announcement, is the first confirmation of such direct Bush administration involvement and is sure to stoke criticism of the deals. In their role as advisers to the Oil Ministry, U.S. government lawyers and private-sector consultants provided template contracts and detailed suggestions on drafting the contracts, advisers and a senior State Department official" said.
http://www.twincities.com/nation...?
nclick_check=1
more here:
http://www.startribune.com/world...hlightModules:
3
"A leading Iraqi judge has been ambushed and shot dead by gunmen in Baghdad."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...ast/
7477800.stm
"The source told KUNA that gunmen assassinated Brigadier Jaber Musaed, head of the intelligence service in the southern city of Basra."
http://www.kuna.net.kw/NewsAgenc...575&
Language=en
"Top Bush administration officials drafted a secret plan late last year to make it easier for US Special Operations forces to operate inside Pakistan's tribal areas, but Washington turf battles and the diversion of resources to Iraq have held up the effort, the New York Times reported on Monday."
http://www.ynetnews.com/
articles...3561927,00.html
This is slightly off-topic, since it deals primarily with the US effort against Iran, but it does address American hypocrisy, and its willingness to demonize one day and cooperate the next:
"The use of Baluchi elements, for example, is problematic, Robert Baer, a former C.I.A. clandestine officer who worked for nearly two decades in South Asia and the Middle East, told me. “The Baluchis are Sunni fundamentalists who hate the regime in Tehran, but you can also describe them as Al Qaeda,” Baer told me. “These are guys who cut off the heads of nonbelievers—in this case, it’s Shiite Iranians. The irony is that we’re once again working with Sunni fundamentalists, just as we did in Afghanistan in the nineteen-eighties.” Ramzi Yousef, who was convicted for his role in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who is considered one of the leading planners of the September 11th attacks, are Baluchi Sunni fundamentalists.
One of the most active and violent anti-regime groups in Iran today is the Jundallah, also known as the Iranian People’s Resistance Movement, which describes itself as a resistance force fighting for the rights of Sunnis in Iran. “This is a vicious Salafi organization whose followers attended the same madrassas as the Taliban and Pakistani extremists,” Nasr told me. “They are suspected of having links to Al Qaeda and they are also thought to be tied to the drug culture.” The Jundallah took responsibility for the bombing of a busload of Revolutionary Guard soldiers in February, 2007. At least eleven Guard members were killed. According to Baer and to press reports, the Jundallah is among the groups in Iran that are benefitting from U.S. support. "
http://www.newyorker.com/
reporti...currentPage=all
Even Al Qaeda can be acceptable ... IF it does the bidding of the USA. Once upon a time, I might have been shocked by this. Now, it's just more crap to be added to the steaming mountain of shit that is US foreign policy and hypocrisy.
Ladybird publishes a partial translation of the leaked Arabic version of the Bush-Maliki SOFA:
http://www.roadstoiraq.com/2008/...sofa-agreement/
A detailed article on how the Taliban and remaining AQ fighters fled Afghanistan for Pakistan in 2002 and since then has built up their networks and bases again:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/3....html?
ref=world
They are now able to launch cross-border attacks into Afghanistan, they are moving with impunity in the tribal areas and they are even threatening Peshawar where the Pakistani military is currently trying to fight them off.
This is where the radical madrassas are, where future jihadists are indoctrinated. This is where Bin Ladin hides out with his top luitenants. These are the people that attacked the US on 9/11. This is where the London bombers where "educated". Oh, and Pakistan has nukes and a rather unstable government and a security service, the ISI, with a history of playing ball with radical jihadists.
Tell me again how it helps the "war on terror" to divert the vast majority of personel and resources to oust a dictator in Iraq with NO ties to international terrorism and NO weapons of mass destruction.
Tell me again how killing hunderds of thousands of Iraqis helps combat terrorism. Because myself, silly me, I would have rather suspected that there are more potenital Iraqi terrorists now after 5 years of carnage and exposure to jihadists, death squads, militias and trigger happy occupiers than there were before.
And myself, silly me, I would have thought it would have been better to capture or kill Bin&TheGang than to hang 'ol Saddam.
Myself, I would have questioned my government if it pissed away a trillion of mine and my fellow taxpayers money to start a new front where there wasn't one before. I would have had a hard time with that.
Perhaps if I was an Exxon CEO I would feel that it has been worth it. After all $135 per barrel may hurt my countrymen, but it sure as hell doesn't hurt me. And once I get some of those Iraqi reserves onto my company books then my stock options will go through the roof and my new trophy wife has her eye on that new Gulfstream so that would be welcome indeed.
But, alas, I am no Exxon CEO so I do need dome help to understand how this was worth it.
How has the war against Iraq made the world safer from terrorism?
Anyone? Bridget? RhusLancia? Pete?
How America developed its torture program and quashed internal dissent to it:
http://www.salon.com/news/featur.../richard_myers/
Marcus, it's pointless asking the warmongers these questions. They are too busy dialling their brokers to purchase Exxon shares after the implications of your post sunk in. Well, there may be some Iraqi blood mixed in that oil, but who cares, so long as it flows, right?
Besides, did you check out that New Yorker article I linked to? It is pretty obvious that fighting Al Qaeda isn't serious if the Al Qaedists in question can be used against another foe, namely Iran, in this case. After that, it's time for them to become terrorists again.
Damn, the puppets the US plays with are not so reliable, after all:
"The INC's Chalabi retorted that granting immunity to US military personnel from prosecution under Iraqi law is baldly unacceptable. “The vast majority of Iraqi people and authorities oppose the security treaty and regard it as contradictory to Iraq's sovereignty and security.”
http://www.juancole.com/2008/06/...ticizes-
us.html
But then, between US foreign policy and Chalabi, it is hard to tell who is more oily and underhanded ... it seems like these types attract each other.
Bruno, the New Yorker article was interesting. Sneaky "enemy of my enemy" tactics can certainly play a role in some circumstances but it can just as well backfire. In this caase it will amount to no good and there's the risk of a backlash. This guy describes it rather well:
"He [Pentagon consultant] added, “There is huge opposition inside the intelligence community to the idea of waging a covert war inside Iran, and using Baluchis and Ahwazis as surrogates. [...] Iran is not Waziristan.”"
To use AQ linked groups to run your errands after 9/11 reeks of irresponsible and shortsighted opportunism. And the idea of using any of the rather minor armed opposition groups in Iran to create more than a bit of nuisance for the Iranian regime is just plain foolish. Unless what you're trying to accomplish is some sort of reaction that can be used as causus belli for an escalation leading to war.
It looks like at least Cheney and his following are doing what they can to trigger a war against Iran.
Either that or they are playing a very high stakes game trying to bluff the Iranians into obedience.
What I wonder is if they have really thought about where it would lead them if they succeeded in provoking open conflict. Do they suffer from similar delusional hopes they had for Iraq? Do they thing they can bomb Iran and not only will Iran not respond but the oppressed masses will rise against the evil regime, oust it and fly the star spangled banner high?
Interesting article, Zeyad. Hopefully next year Iraq will move up another five. Maybe Iraq will be more stable than Lebanon!
"Last year, ExxonMobil’s revenues—$404 billion—exceeded the GDPs of more than 160 countries. It was, quite simply, a banner year for oil companies, with a string of record-breaking profits as the price of oil nearly doubled. But if it was a phenomenal time to be an oil executive, it was hardly the best moment to be the citizen of an oil-producing country. The incredible fortunes of the oil market rarely translate into social fortunes on the ground.
Several major oil producers stumbled in the past year. Despite boasting the second-largest oil reserves in the world, Iran’s economy grew only moderately, with much of the oil windfall devoted to financing the country’s steep gasoline subsidies. When the government cut the subsidies last summer and rationed gas, violent riots erupted in Tehran. In Chad, which only began pumping crude in 2003, rebels mounted a near successful coup, citing their anger at the government’s distribution of oil profits. And in Nigeria, the world’s eighth-largest oil producer, violence continues to plague the country’s restive oil delta, with attacks on pipelines contributing to a 25 percent decrease in oil output since 2006.
Even at more than $100 a barrel, it’s little surprise that oil continues to be more burden than boon to the world’s most vulnerable states. Profits are still pocketed by a select few, or diverted to buy loyalties. The only difference today is that the wallets in question are getting fatter. It’s clear that a crude strategy to stability and prosperity is no strategy at all."
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/sto..._id=4350&
page=5
Marcus, if I were a Neocon angling for war with Iran, this would be precisely what I would be doing. Clearly, the US public is in no mood for another series of lies that led to the invasion of Iraq. They will need Iran itself to provide a clear-cut incident that can be used as casus belli. Hence the chaos-mongering.
As for the REASON for such as strike, I could only imagine that the Neocons would be planning on a double-or-nothing game whereby the draft would be re-instituted and a large scale war against Middle eastern countries begun in earnest. One can't imagine that they think they could strike Iran and not face a wide backlash. If they do, then they should be committed to a mental hospital for observation.
Marcus:
But, alas, I am no Exxon CEO so I do need dome help to understand how this was worth it.
How has the war against Iraq made the world safer from terrorism?
Anyone? Bridget? RhusLancia? Pete?
Check my last response to Canadian John about the "worth it" question.
Oops. That was me, of course. 
Car bomb kills seven policemen in Iraq
A handout picture released by the US military on June 27, 2008 shows US soldiers sharpening their weapons skills at a firing range at Camp Echo in Diwaniyah, 181 kms south of Baghdad.
http://www.timesofoman.com/inner...t=&
detail=17320
Five Iraqi judges escape Baghdad bombs
Reuters - Five Iraqi appeals court judges escaped assassination attempts on Monday when bombs exploded outside their homes in eastern Baghdad, an apparent attempt to intimidate the court, police and a judicial official said.
http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews.../
iraq_judges_dc
Iraqi police find up to 30 decomposed bodies northwest of Baghdad
Shakir estimates police discovered 25 to 30 bodies, but their advanced stage of decomposition made it difficult to determine an exact number. The police officer says spent bullet cartridges were discovered next to the bodies, many of which were handcuffed.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Sat...icle%
2FShowFull
Crisis grows in Iraq over U.S. raid that killed Maliki relative
Senior Iraqi government officials said Saturday that a U.S. Special Forces counterterrorism unit conducted the raid that reportedly killed a relative of Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki, touching off a high-stakes diplomatic crisis between the United States and Iraq.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world...tory/
42580.html
Iraq Criticizes Attacks by American Troops
BAGHDAD — Iraqi government officials on Sunday criticized the American military for two recent attacks in which soldiers killed people who the government said were civilians. One death occurred during a raid by American soldiers on Friday near Karbala; two days earlier, three people described by the Interior Ministry as bank employees on their way to work were shot and killed near the Baghdad airport when they tried to pass an American convoy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/
3...agewanted=print
Iraqi MPs stall deals on Bush benchmarks
The pact will allow US bases in the country, even though they may fly the Iraqi flag. Many Iraqis fear that the US wants a long-term presence. "We very much see these arrangements as transitional," Satterfield said.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/
...usforeignpolicy
U.S. Advisers Helped Iraq Draw Up Oil Contracts
The New York Times reports a group of American advisers led by a small State Department team played an integral part in drawing up contracts between the Iraqi government and five major Western oil companies to develop some of the largest oil fields in Iraq. The disclosure marks the first confirmation of direct involvement by the Bush administration in deals to open Iraq's oil to commercial development. The Times recently reported the original partners in the Iraq Petroleum Company—Exxon Mobil, Shell, Total and BP— as well as Chevron, are on the verge of getting no-bid contracts to service Iraq's largest oil fields. In their role as advisers to the Iraqi Oil Ministry, American government lawyers and private-sector consultants provided template contracts and detailed suggestions on drafting the contracts.
http://www.democracynow.org/2008.../6/30/
headlines
Army study: Iraq occupation was understaffed
A nearly 700-page study released Sunday by the Army found that "in the euphoria of early 2003," U.S.-based commanders prematurely believed their goals in Iraq had been reached and did not send enough troops to handle the occupation.
http://ap.google.com/article/
ALe...yg0gBwD91K222O0
"Interesting article, Zeyad. Hopefully next year Iraq will move up another five. Maybe Iraq will be more stable than Lebanon!"
Or Syria, Iran, or Israel, all 3 of which are on the list. (the latter being indicative of some political motivations behind the ratings, perhaps).
The conclusion I'd draw from the rankings is that Islamic fundamentalists and tyrants are not the leaders of choice in today's world...but then I sort of already knew that. 
Four US occupation force soldiers killed in Afghanistan
Four US soldiers have died from wounds sustained in insurgent attacks in Afghanistan last week, the US military said on Sunday.
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/dart...bcontinent&
col=
Afghanistan deadlier than Iraq in June for coalition troops
More U.S. and NATO troops have been killed in Afghanistan than in Iraq for the second straight month.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/War_...6027216-
ap.html
Iraqi notice on oil fields does not include contracts
The potential participation of big Western companies like BP, Chevron, Exxon Mobil, Shell and Total SA in Iraq’s oil industry has been criticized in recent weeks following published reports that several were close to signing no-bid contracts with the Iraqi government.
http://www.bostonherald.com/
news...ticleid=1104159
Iraqi oil contracts
the spoils of war?: If Iraq's oil belongs to the Iraqis, why are western companies being awarded contracts? http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news...8/06/
oil_2.html
U.S. Helped Western Companies Divvy Up Iraqi Oil
A group of American advisers led by a small State Department team played an integral part in drawing up contracts between the Iraqi government and five major Western oil companies to develop some of the largest fields in Iraq, American officials say.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
20...i_n_109969.html
Former Iraqi detainees sue U.S. military contractors
Four Iraqi men are suing U.S. military contractors who they say tortured them while they were detained in Abu Ghraib prison, according to lawsuits being filed at U.S. federal courts on Monday.
http://www.reuters.com/article/
t...043530820080630
Bush's top general quashed torture dissent
New evidence shows that despite warnings from across the military, former Gen. Richard Myers shut down legal scrutiny of brutal interrogation tactics.
http://www.salon.com/news/featur.../richard_myers/
Queen of Hawaii demands independence from 'US occupiers'
The United States is an illegal occupying force that should hand the 132 islands of Hawaii back to the monarchy overthrown more than a century ago, according to members of a Native Hawaiian sovereignty movement
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...occupiers'
.html
Re: Freddie Starr, 06.30.08 - 11:21 am.
So, Freddie Starr was, after all, only PeteS, the immoral Apemonger ?
*SIGH* !!!
Heartbroken !
What ancient region in southern Mesopotamia (now southeastern Iraq) is considered the birthplace of the world's first civilization?
a- Assyria
b-Macedonia
c-Sumer
What city became the capital of the Arab Empire in the 700's?
a-Al Basrah
b-Baghdad
c-Mosul
3. Who invaded Mesopotamia and destroyed the Arab empire in the 1200's?
a-Mongols
b-Romans
c-Ottomans
4. What year was Mesopotamia renamed Iraq?
1258
1782
1921
5. What year did Iraq become an independent nation?
1921
1932
1945
6. What did Iraqi military officers do in 1958?
Overthrew the government
Took over foreign oil companies
Granted Kurdish autonomy
1. In what year was the delicacy Miracle Whip invented?
1900?
1209?
1985?
In what year did Bridgette's grandfather first hang a negro on his front lawn?
1889?
1934?
1976?
One ballistic missile submarine carries 24 Trident missiles. Each missile carries 3 to 5 thermonuclear warheads. How many warheads will be available for destroying Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and Pakistan after exterminating all the Muslim vermin in Iraq? Will it be necessary to employ 2 SSBNs?
In what year did Willy Pete place his first burning cross on Anand's lawn?
1800?
1950?
2008?
Willy Pete never burned a cross on my lawn. I think we all need to love Willy Pete.
Go Willy Pete!!!! GO Christianity!!!!! The KKK is killer cool.
Willy Pete are you a friend of the MF-13th 9th Brigade of Iraq? I think we can all agree on that right?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/3...rld&
oref=slogin
just to fully comprehend what they're up against...
Consultants said the advice was necessary because the Oil Ministry, like other sectors of the Iraqi government, has experienced an exodus of qualified employees and lacks lawyers schooled in drawing up contracts.
cough. y'know, those iraqis are challenged when it comes to drawing up contracts. we were just offering a helping hand.
The American government lawyers provided specific advice, the State Department official said, like: “These are the clauses you may want. You will need a clause on arbitration. You will need this clause to make this work.”
arbitration is so groovy, prevents punitive damages down the road. wouldn't want those oil companies ending up in an iraqi court.
Zeyad, interesting video. I think we can all agree that shooting at universities is never cool. Can you offer some suggestions of what the Iraqi government (You love them right?) can do when they want to shoot at Sunni college students? I'm sure we can all agree on something. BTW, I love Sunnis too but the Shi'a are killer cool.
I was strongly against the war in Iraq and I am still against it.
I do not know what position Iraq was holding as the world's most failed state when Saddam was in charge, but I bet it wasn't in the top 3.
I think we all need to love Willy Pete.
you guys sure make excellent use of him. what would you do without him??? why.. if he wasn't around to compare yourselves with you would almost appear to be the most extreme rightwing ideologues.. as it is compared w/willy, you guys seem.. moderate? ah right, that is the point of willy isn't it?
and now you drag him out to claim he's an anti war troll?
really who the f cares? quit drawing blood from this turnip. oh right, you find him useful.
I don't get annie.
5. What year did Iraq become an independent nation?
2004?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
OH BEAUTIFUL FOR SPACIOUS SKIES FOR AMBER WAVES OF GRAIN. FOR PUPLE MOUNTAINS MAJESTY ABOUT THE FRUITED PLAINS
IRAQ
IRAQ
AMERICA SHED HER GRACE ON THEEE
AND TETHERED YOU
TO SERVITUDE
FOREVER
:X
Theatrics aside, annie did not give a correct answer to question 5.
Weak American mental prowess.
Servitude?
Don't be ridiculous.
Arabs are too genetically damaged from centuries of inbreeding to make good slaves. They are useless and better off dead.
All we want is the oil.
Who has the biggest, most beautiful balls on the planet?
a) Saad
b) Iraqis
c) Elephants
Who has the biggest, most beautiful balls on the planet?
a) Saad
b) Iraqis
c) Elephants
Jarab Trivia | 06.30.08 - 7:29 pm | #
D) ZEYAD
Oytalian: So, Freddie Starr was, after all, only PeteS, the immoral Apemonger ?
*SIGH* !!!
Heartbroken !
Didn't you say that the last time you realised it?
You have to admit that video was very funny.
(I want to know where that accent is from ... I suspect Bruno can help).
In what year did Bride's grandfather first hang a negro on his front lawn?
1889?
1934?
1976?
American Trivia | 06.30.08 - 6:38 pm
_________________________________
I'd say it would have to have been in 1889, if he was capapable of hanging anyone in 1934 or 1976, he would surely have been even more of a freak of nature than his grand daughter?
Somebody flush the John.
No, please God, don't tell me Shameous is really Freddie Starr?
Damn that news all to hell, I had really liked Freddie Starr?
Can't you just like someone for who they might appear to be, without having to find out they're a cross dressing fradulent Irishman who's an embarressment to the proud men and women who sacrificed their lives freeing his country from a murderous occupier!
Jeez guys, sorry for bursting yer bubble. I thought everyone knew.
Anyway, I still want to know if the girl in the video has a Saahff Ifrican iccent ... she sounds like a girl from Durban I met a while back.
While researching the accent, I came across this video of Bruno doing the math on the oil contracts --
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0...h?v=0tMfV-
aT8us
This Institute of Afrikaans accent was also good --
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j...NJVMJH5OhI&
NR=1
And finally, Southpark in Afrikaans ... it sounds a lot more more crude than the original --
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=b...feature=related
Nothing beats this one.
♪♫ ♪ cos' we're a bunch of arrogant bastards
who hate black people ♪♪♫
News:
"Iraq said on Monday it has failed to sign technical support agreements with global oil majors which were aimed at helping boost the war-torn country's oil production. Iraq is negotiating with Shell, BP, ExxonMobil, Chevron and Total, and a consortium of other smaller oil companies, Oil Minister Hussein al-Shahristani said at press briefing. "We did not finalise any agreement with them because they refused to offer consultancy based on fees as they wanted a share of the oil," he said."
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/080630/...630/8/
6ghq.html
More on Maliki's cousin killed by the Americans:
"(The troops) raided this room, the guard room, and detained the guards, including Ali, who'd memorized a few English words and tried to tell them, 'I'm police. I'm a Maliki guard,'" Abdulhussein said. "They tied the hands of the three guards and took Ali to the room. Ten minutes later, they heard gunfire. The American forces killed Ali."
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/iraq/...tory/
42641.html
"In the early days after the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Kanan Makiya, a scholar and Iraqi exile based in the United States, stumbled upon a potent trove of documents in Baghdad: Baath Party records reflecting the degrees of loyalty of some two million ordinary Iraqis to Saddam Hussein’s regime during its final years in power. [...] To some Iraqi officials and American archivists, however, all this has been less a courageous rescue operation than a blatant case of plunder. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/0...rld&
oref=slogin
"Three Iraqis and a Jordanian filed federal lawsuits Monday alleging they were tortured by U.S. defense contractors while detained at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq in 2003 and 2004."
http://www.twincities.com/nation...onal/
ci_9748347
Scraping the barrel: "Vietnam vet, now 58, gears up for more combat in Iraq"
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/in...7450.xml&
coll=1
Iraqi soldiers abandoned after their usefulness expires:
"Some of the half-dozen badly wounded Iraqis interviewed for this article said they had been effectively drummed out of the Iraqi security forces without pensions, or were receiving partial pay and in danger of losing that. Coping with severe injuries, and often amputations, they have been forced to pay for private doctors or turn to Iraq's failing public hospitals."
http://www.chron.com/disp/story....ld/
5864972.html
Meanwhile elsewhere:
"Senior Pentagon officials are concerned that Israel could carry out an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities before the end of the year"
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/U...=5281043&
page=1
Attacking Iran and the oil price:
http://www.antiwar.com/lobe/?
art...articleid=13074
Afghanistan hots up:
"Militants killed more U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan in June than in Iraq for the second straight month, a grim milestone capping a run of headline-grabbing insurgent attacks that analysts say underscore the Taliban's growing strength."
http://www.chron.com/disp/story....ld/
5864976.html
In an April 8, 2008 article titled "Apology to the Valiant American Soldier," Iraqi liberal Khudayr Taher bemoaned the ill treatment the U.S. Army received from those it liberated:
"We forsook you and betrayed you - we, whose history is an expression of massacres, conflagrations, and ruin. We killed you, and we killed our dream and aspiration of reaching the sun, the moon, and the stars - [we killed our dream] of availing ourselves of the opportunity to live as true humans, thanks to your presence.
"My dear, brave American soldier, you noble individual who traversed land and sea in order to write the story of Iraqi freedom for the first time in its modern history - you believed, in accordance with logic, self-evident truths, and rational thought, that a people who had been subjected to repression, starvation, and killing would dance for joy, and would thank Allah who sent you to them as a liberating angel. [You believed that] they would strew flowers and break out in songs of joy that would smash the chains of slavery, ignominy, and humiliation.
"Not even a writer of surrealistic [literature] or [theater of] the absurd would have imagined that the Iraqi people would revolt against their liberator and would rush ardently back to a new bondage of a different kind - that of the religious cleric, the tribal sheikh, and the gang leader. It was unthinkable that the people would go against logic, rational thought, and self-evident truths, in a mad rush towards the abyss and total ruin.
"My beloved, brave American soldier, we apologize to you, and we are saddened at our wretched and miserable selves. Since we are a people that slaughters itself, and kills one another, cutting off heads, what can you expect from us other than ingratitude, perfidy, and stabbing you in the back for the benefit of Iranian and Syrian intelligence and Al-Qaeda?"
Trolls aplenty, I see.
What's the sudden obsession with South Africans, PeteS?
Khudayr Taher is being too hard on the Iraqi people. The religious clerics, the tribal sheikhs, and the gang leaders were all too willing to step in and step on the Iraqis to become the new mustache on the block. And the PNUNSMSR stepped in to make the Iraqis' lives as miserable as possible by any means possible to make Iraqis miss the old mustache.
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Maybe I should write a paean from an American soldier, rhus. He could bemoan how Iraqis, after being demonised and starved and bombed by Americans for over ten years, were ungrateful for being invaded and murdered and raped by your hordes. That about sums up the typical warmonger.
PeteS ate me!
I nearly barfed when I read that "Apology".
And to think some people wanted us to simply "contain" Big Mustache indefinitely.
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Let the Eagle fly!
Let his arrows, tipped with plutonium and lithium deuteride, rain down upon those portions of the Earth which are infested by the Muslim vermin.
Kill them.
Kill them all.
Kill them now.
And to think that some people *coughAmericanscough* perverted the weapons control sanctions as a means to clamp down on any and all imports they thought were useful to a modern society, in an effort to break the spirit of Iraqis.
To think that some people *coughAmericanscough* made an even bigger mess of Iraq with billions of dollars and the free market at their beck and call than a corrupt old dictator under the most restrictive sanctions regimen in history.
I see that Rhuslancia's friends have showed up to help him out.
Herr Bruno, do you think it was up to the Iraqis to overthrow Big Mustache?
Have you ever answered Mojo's question as to why, even after every brutal thing your heroic "Resistance" has done to Iraqis, a majority of them still think the US toppling Saddam was the right thing to do?
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Herr Bruno, have you read MG's excerpt from 24STL over at IBC yet?
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Have you ever wondered, Rhus, that while a majority of Iraqis wanted Hussein gone, an even greater majority oppose the Occupation and want you gone?
It's like getting rescued from a rapist by a sodomite. Is that anything to cheer about?
"Herr Bruno, do you think it was up to the Iraqis to overthrow Big Mustache?"
Herr Rhus, do you think it was up to the Americans to install the Baath and overthrow Qassem in the first place?
Must go. Work calls. But I'll be back.
Josef 'The Bruno' Goebbels: "while a majority of Iraqis wanted Hussein gone, an even greater majority oppose the Occupation and want you gone?"
Occupation? They got their wish in June, 2004. You mean the presence of our troops? Yes, of course they want us to leave. Yet, they also want us to wait a while... and train the ISF, help the gov't get stronger, and smash your heroes by very strong majorities. An incredible majority oppose attacks on the ISF. Why are you against so many Iraqis?
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Herr Bruno, how many people did the Iraqi "Resistance" kill today according to today's antiwar.com roundup? Was it a good 'cull' for you?
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Herr Bruno, you've said in the past (paraphrasing) that you don't mind if the US and AQ kill each other. But Herr Bruno, as you know AQ is not primarily killing US troops even though they consider themselves the 'Resistance'. In fact, they appear to have been particularly brutal to Iraqis in areas where the US troops were nowhere near until recently, like the mass grave found at Lake Tharthar in yesterday's antiwar.com roundup. Do you support the ISF's efforts to smash AQ, even though sometimes AQ does in fact fight Amreekans? Do you think the US should help the Iraqis smash AQ either directly or through training and equipping the ISF, when Iraqis ask for it and especially since a strong majority of Iraqis support such efforts?
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Herr Bruno, are you glad that US and ISAF casualties have risen in Afghanistan? Do you consider this an enjoyable "cull" as well? Jarab Ballgazer, do you?
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"Hussein al-Shahristani said at press briefing. "We did not finalise any agreement with them because they refused to offer consultancy based on fees as they wanted a share of the oil," he said.""
Apparently not even those no-bid contracts are good enough.
"What? You plan on paying us in lousy money? No way man, we want oil! Something with value. Something with a value that will increase when your neighbor is liberated. What, did you think we were gonna accept Iraqi dinars? Please. American dollars??? HAAAA HA HA HA!!!"
My advice to al-Shahristani would be to open up those contracts to others as well. If they faced some competition the majors would be more likely to accept mere "fees".
Long time no see, wish it had been longer.
Just dropping in to congratulate PeteS on carelessly unmasking himself - he was Freddy Starr all along?
Why? What possible neurons in his scrambled Irish brain could have been stimulated by this pathetic posturing? What was he achieving by it?
I'm not a betting man, but I'd be prepared to lay money on him being Willie Pete or Realist as well. Probably both.
Hell, he's probably Bruno too.
Oh what a tangled web we weave
When first we practise to deceive.
Was it a secret that PeteS was Freddy Starr? I thought it was common knowledge.
I'm not common.
@johninnz: Just dropping in to congratulate PeteS on carelessly unmasking himself - he was Freddy Starr all along?
Sweet lamb o'divine! I didn't realise I'd ever enmasked myself! It all went back to me joking about the Pope's dietary habits and being taken seriously by Oytalian (because apparently John XXIII did have some weird culinary fetish) ... I explained the Freddie Starr thing back then. Who did you THINK Freddie was going to be???
@Bruno: I've always loved the Sahff Ifrican iccent. Also interested in the relationship between Afrikaans and Dutch -- spent so much time in Holland and Flanders that I started being able to distinguish different accents of Dutch, even though I can't speak a word. Seems to me that Afrikaans sounds more like provincial Flemish ... there's a particular habit of dropping 'n's off the ends of words, and saying "eh" instead. (e.g. the Afrikaans word for "seven").
I know the Dutch look down on Belgian accents, and I notice these "civilised Dutch" speakers also seem to have a bit of a snide giggle at Afrikaaner words like amperbroekie, a G-string ("civilised Dutch" being the funny-but-arrogant Dutch name for their own standard dialect, Algemeen Beschaafd Nederlands (ABN) ).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2...h?
v=2bLrSJx5Kv0
Here's the easier version for Americans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H...-17W6tUfDU&
NR=1
... and an even easier one for the Brits:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2...rGAMEmrbmU&
NR=1
So can we kiss goodbye to Willy Pete and Realist along with Freddy Starr?
@Zeyad, 11:14pm -- hilarious ... what a blast from the past. I remember watching it when it aired (well over twenty years ago ).
One has heard, of course, of yer Oirish bog-trotter.
But an Oirish blog-hogger ...?
So can we kiss goodbye to Willy Pete and Realist along with Freddy Starr?
I doubt it, unfortunately.
[petes] "Seems to me that Afrikaans sounds more like provincial Flemish"
Correct, PeteS! Afrikaans does in fact derive from Dutch (and a smidgen of German) and more specifically the Flemish dialect. And of course the English speakers here are influenced by the said Afrikaans accent. Some say Australian sounds like SA English, but I disagree, Australian has far more of a twang to it. The SA accent sounds kinda dopey, really.
BTW, thanks for the Youtube refresher course in Afrikaans profanities. Not.
Correct, PeteS! Afrikaans does in fact derive from Dutch (and a smidgen of German) and more specifically the Flemish dialect.
Cool! I'm impressed with myself.
Some say Australian sounds like SA English, but I disagree, Australian has far more of a twang to it.
Yeah, I can see some minor similarities but I'd never confuse them. Here's a guy who seems to speak both like a native:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1...h?
v=14RKW5aqikA
And just for gid muzhah, let's not forgut to distunguish the Nyu Zulun exint from Strahynn:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c...h?
v=cr1TUE1doJ8
[rhus] "Occupation? They got their wish in June, 2004."
... and in other news, Vichy France was a free democracy, too.
[rhus] "You mean the presence of our troops? Yes, of course they want us to leave."
... which is why the US is at all costs trying to establish a permanent presence in Iraq, and screw the wishes of the Iraqis. Right?
[rhus] "Do you support the ISF's efforts to smash AQ, even though sometimes AQ does in fact fight Amreekans?"
I've support any Iraqis that try and get Al Qaeda out, the same as I support any Iraqis that try and eject the US, too. Both are foreign entities that have no business in Iraq.
Do YOU support ISF that try and smash the Americans? Why not?
[rhus] "Do you think the US should help the Iraqis smash AQ"
I think the Americans should get the fuck out, especially since overwhelming majorities of Iraqis are both opposed to the US Occupation and even more so to permanent US bases. I think AQ should go and fight America IN America.
PeteS has some strange hobbies ...
Yes. Like collecting these genuine "fex abaht Nyu Zulun".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D...h?
v=Dc6cpEZJKag
I rather like the NZ accent. It's Aussie, but softer. The Aussie twang gets me. The US accents that are twang heavy also are rather annoying.
Yeah, I like NZ too... that's why I've been studying this "all-you'll ever-need-to-know" tourist guide to NZ:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W...T3dk7HOi1A&
NR=1
Ok, very last one, I promise ... 21 regional English accents by an actress from Philadelphia. They're averagely good, although I think a native of each place would probably laugh at them. (The Dublin and Belfast ones are truly crap, for instance ). Let's see what johninnz, Canadian John, Bridget, et al. think of them...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3...UgpfSp2t6k&
NR=1
Di Caprio did a passable SA accent on his film "Blood Diamond", although he leaned very heavily into the slang. Few people lay it on so thick.
Latest list of American foreign enemies (lol) ... yes, it is rather long.
http://cryptome.org/fac070108.htm
Di Caprio did a passable SA accent on his film "Blood Diamond", although he leaned very heavily into the slang. Few people lay it on so thick.
What did you think of Patsy Kensit in Lethal Weapon II ?
Brad Pitt did the most amazing Irish "traveller" accent in "Snatch". "Travellers" are dispossessed people since famine times who have still never settled, and have a very unique accent that even most Irish people find impossible to emulate well. Allegedly Brad Pitt went and lived with some for a while before doing the movie. I don't know how this movie made any money, what with the almost unintelligible London Cockney accents and the utterly unintelligible "Pikey" ("traveller") accents... here's a flavour:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x...h?
v=xKm7cu_huZc
Btw, I wanted to slag off Arabic accents too, but unfortunately they mean very little to me so I'll have to rely on the resident experts to tell me if these are supposed to be funny, e.g.:
Tom and Jerry in (allegedly) Syrian villager accent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a...h?
v=aTFjXoRSVmU
Nyama shega ya habibi ... see strange lyrics on right
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h...h?v=h6sh3yI-
kA4
Saudi Arabic lessons (...can't imagine this will be considered funny):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q...h?
v=qeV7C_COqkc
"Oh, and Pakistan has nukes and a rather unstable government and a security service, the ISI, with a history of playing ball with radical jihadists."
So does Iran, which fact doesn't seem to bother you in the least.
Or, rather, Iran will soon have nukes. All the rest, they already have.
Brad Pitt / Snatch ... translation for Americans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W...h?
v=WLfVd1pwz5E
bridget "Or, rather, Iran will soon have nukes."
Any hard evidence for that? Besides your usual baseless fearmongering, that is?
"hi there howr ya doing" sounds like an actress trying to fake a Texas accent. The last half is a pretty good West Texas mimicry. Doesn't sound like a central Texan at all.
Except for the "Walker" part. She's got the first vowel all wrong.
Most of them sounded subtly wrong to me. Not bad though for so many accents done in one take.
What usual baseless fearmongering Bruno?
Yes, she's quite talented.
Why, Bridget, the usual assertion that Iran is a spitball away from unleashing nuclear destruction on the world when in reality all information we have points to the absence of an Iranian nuclear program. Unless, of course, could it be that the Syrians sent Saddam's weapons to Iran ....
Marcus, Shahristani must have been reading your comments today!
Iraq Opens Oil Fields To Global Bidding
BAGHDAD, June 30 -- Iraq's government invited foreign firms Monday to help boost the production of the country's major oil fields, beginning a global competition for access to the world's third-largest reserves.
Iraqi Oil Minister Hussain al-Shahristani said the government would seek to tap Western technology and capital to increase Iraqi oil production by about 60 percent, or approximately 1.5 million barrels a day, swelling Iraqi oil revenue and potentially easing tight petroleum markets where prices have doubled in the past year.
Shahristani said 35 companies -- including firms from the United States, Britain, France, Russia, China and India -- had been selected to bid on long-term contracts to provide services, equipment, training and advice on the country's biggest oil fields, which have suffered from age, technological neglect and mismanagement during years of war and economic sanctions.
Josef 'The Bruno' Goebbels: "Do YOU support ISF that try and smash the Americans? Why not?"
No, because they are acting against their elected government's wishes, the UNSC mandate authorizing our presence (does AQ have one? Why not?), and strong majorities of Iraqi people who want our help to smash AQ, train ISF, help the GoI to get stronger, and oppose such attacks on our troops.
Josef 'The Bruno' Goebbels: "I think the Americans should get the fuck out,..."
Herr Bruno, the Americans left Lake Tharthar a long time ago but AQ did not. Don't you think our troops ought to help the ISF flush AQ out of places like Lake Tharthar? A strong majority of Iraqis think so. Why do you disagree? If people fight the MNF & ISf as they are being swept from Lake Tharthar, is it "Resistance" that you support, Herr Bruno?
Herr Bruno, according to antiwar.com, how many people did the "Resistance" kill yesterday? Was it an enjoyable "cull"? Can you please go through yesterday's violence roundup and tell me which acts were "Resistance" and which were not?
Marcus, you can answer any of this too.
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Apparently, Freddie Starr's true identity is the worst kept secret on Zeyad's comments section. I guess the chaos-mongers are in too much of a hurry to post their own propaganda links to notice anything else (like: "has my link already been posted two times?").
Except for Ballgazer, who always has time to enjoy a good testicle photograph!
MY usual assertion or THE usual assertion, Bruno? As far as I'm concerned, Iran is imploding quite nicely on it's own, what with half of it's annual oil revenue spirited out of the country and all. I'd much rather they not develop nuclear weapons technology because it'll be a huge pain in the ass if they do, but they're ultimately flushing their resources down the toilet and hastening their own demise, so I'm not hyperventilating over it.
Wolfowitz and Bush, we agree with Bruno on Mugabe!
340 academics and 2,334 women killed in 3 years, Human Rights Ministry says
The Ministry of Human Rights says the country's unruly militias and gunmen have killed 340 academics as well as 2,334 women in the years from 2005 to 2007. It is the first time the ministry reveals its records of the campaign of killings and assassinations against the country's intelligentsia and women.
http://www.azzaman.com/english/i...8-07-
01kurd.htm
U.S. Helped Western Companies Divvy Up Iraqi Oil
A group of American advisers led by a small State Department team played an integral part in drawing up contracts between the Iraqi government and five major Western oil companies to develop some of the largest fields in Iraq, American officials say.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
20...i_n_109969.html
Wounded Iraqi forces say they've been abandoned
Dawoud Ameen, a former Iraqi soldier, lay in bed, his shattered legs splayed before him, worrying about the rent for his family of five.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008...rica/
01vets.php
Bush's top general quashed torture dissent
New evidence shows that despite warnings from across the military, former Gen. Richard Myers shut down legal scrutiny of brutal interrogation tactics.
http://www.salon.com/news/featur.../richard_myers/
I don't think this whole travel ban thing is having quite the desired result.
Mugabe spokesman to the West: "They can go hang. They can go and hang a thousand times."
"The defiant comments raised doubts over efforts to persuade Mugabe to share power."
Duh, ya think?
"The way out is the way defined by the Zimbabwe people free from outside interference, and that is exactly what will resolve the matter," he said."
I think we all know exactly how "the way out" is going to be "defined", but, hey, as long as there's no "outside interference" who gives a shit?
"But Jendayi Frazer, the assistant U.S. secretary of state for African affairs, said she believed that in private, the leaders were going to "have very, very strong words for him."
I'll be that's got ol' Robert pissing his pants.
From Mojo's article: why did Bad Big Privat Oil get the cruddy little service contracts instead of Good Big State Oil?
"Iraqi Oil Ministry officials said Monday that the firms were selected because most had extensive experience in Iraq's oil industry before nationalization. The precursors of Exxon Mobil, Royal Dutch Shell, BP and Total were part of the Iraq Petroleum Co., which ran Iraq's oil industry for half a century. BP has information dating to the 1920s on Iraq's oil reservoirs."
"They have geographical studies and other analyses," said Asim Jehad, an Oil Ministry spokesman. "They can advise us, supply us with what we need and bring new technology."
"Ismael al-Hadidi, who works in an oil refinery in the city of Baiji, north of Baghdad, welcomed the foreign oil firms. "Iraq right now needs a lot of technical expertise to help it to move forward in oil," he said.
Abdul Kareem, 48, an engineer in oil-rich Maysan province, said foreign involvement would create new jobs and allow engineers like him to learn the latest technology and skills. "
But why listen to the opinion of a man who works in an oil refinery or an engineer, when a high school teacher is convinced otherwise?
"But Ali Khalid, a 39-year-old high school teacher in Fallujah, was convinced that the United States had pushed the Iraqi government's hand. "Americans have given a lot of sacrifices. They will not let it go," he said. "They came to Iraq not to get rid of Saddam, but for oil."
Yes, Ali, we went to Iraq to make it safe for BP, Total, and Royal Dutch Shell and don't let anybody tell you otherwise.
Look out Bruno, Um Ayad, and Edeomaniac, I just may challenge your undisputed championships in spamming Zeyad's comment section.
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Hah! Very cheeky!
That most certainly wasn't me.
A certain New Sneerlander, perhaps?
@Bridget: "Mugabe spokesman to the West: "They can go hang. They can go and hang a thousand times."
Just before that statement, the same spokesman punched a BBC reporter for daring to ask Mugabe a question:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/afric...ica/
7484239.stm
I am not surprised to see that the "anti-war" crowd are very shy about commenting on the Mugabe situation. Here we have a despot who has ravaged his own country, oppressed his own people, and has given two fingers to world opinion.
Remind anyone of anyone?
Anyone have any ideas what to do next?
"Anyone have any ideas what to do next?"
I think the UN (or a coalition of the willing) should go in and overthrow the piece of shit.
70% of Arabs prefer dictatorship to foreign intervention.
http://palestinianpundit.blogspo...nline-
poll.html
"I think the UN (or a coalition of the willing) should go in and overthrow the piece of shit."
And then the MDC and the Zanu-PF will go at each other, which they are bound to do sooner or later anyway, but at least there would be a coalition for Bruno to blame for all of the ills of Zimbabwe, and we could all look forward to an African Um Ayad waxing nostalgic about the good old days of Papa Robert.
"I think the UN (or a coalition of the willing) should go in and overthrow the piece of shit."
Sounds good to me...don't forget that the people of Zimbabwe voted that they were finished with this guy.
"we could all look forward to an African Um Ayad waxing nostalgic about the good old days of Papa Robert."
Pete, the "antiwar" crowd doesn't give a damn about the suffering of innocent people under the brutal reign of terror of people like Saddam and Mugabe. Unless they can somehow tie George Bush into it, the subject is of no interest to them.
What more, many on the so-called "antiwar" movement embrace the racist notion that Saddam Hussein was a necessary evil, and that he somehow kept Iraqis "in their place" and prevented civil war from breaking out.
If Mugabe gets what's coming to him, its hard to argue that he was keeping the country together, because no one could fail the people of Zimbabwe more than he has.
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i've dug up another memri screed (is that why you didn't link to his 'apology'!)from khudayr taher.
Iraqi Liberal Khudayr Taher: Cooperating with the CIA Is a Moral and Religious Obligation
From Arab liberal e-journal Elaph, translated by Memri:
"I Have the Pleasure of Being the First Arab to Write About the Bright Side of the CIA"
"When we in the Arab world look at others we are accustomed to projecting our own faults onto them. We pull out rash and gratuitous ready-made judgments that are without basis in reality. In so doing, we do wrong to ourselves and to others.
"When the subject of the CIA comes up, [we] fling out a handful of descriptions and accusations that have nothing to do with reality. The CIA is a national [security] apparatus whose mission is different than that of the intelligence apparatuses in Arab states. It is an apparatus that defends the national interest, and not the ruling regime.
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"annie"?
That's a Muslim name, isn't it?
come to think of it, wasn't anne Boylen muslim? annie oakley was probably muslim.
not so sure about little ophan annie, but daddy warbucks wasn't for sure.
Barack Hussein Al-Bama is definitely a Muslim. He is practicing taqiyya to deceive the infidels.
So we keep having this comical imbecile vermin, 'C.H.', playing the 'humanitarian' criminal and mass-murderer, LOL !
BTW, I imagine that those two rats who summoned this cretin abomination here, i.e. Jeffrey & RhusRat, are a bit ashamed about this beast: 'C.H.', the ejit, just LOVES George W. Bush !!!
Now, even the worse Ahmehwican beast cannot highly regard the Ape-in-Chief, right ?
@ All.
Please, do have a look at the latest post at that ridiculous 'Iraqi' blog, 'Iraq The Minion', run by those two human excreta, Mohammed and Omar Fadhil, the 'Buy-An-Ayrab-For-Two-Pence' traitorous example.
It is truly, comically, sadly INCREDIBLE: the truly servile, revolting COLONISED, yapping up to his/their masters (or 'Massas'...) !
And you believe, warmongering beasties, that such a psy-op as the 'Iraq The Minion' blog was helping your criminal 'cause' ?
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"How has the war against Iraq made the world safer from terrorism?
Anyone? Bridget? RhusLancia? Pete?"
Marcus, when I first saw that question I prepared a response about Zarqawi, the defeat of AQ in Iraq, etc. etc., but didn't post it because I lacked the words to to convey all of the ideas I wished to convey.
I'm delighted to say that someone else has the words that failed me.
The Islamic State of Iraq was to be the shield and spear of Islam, facing down infidel foes from within and without. It was to be the harbinger of glory and redemption, the “ummah’s hope” for an avenger to its many humiliations. And should the jihadists meet some slight setbacks here and there, then that too shall pass, for as al-Baghdadi says when giving his reasons as to why he is confident that the Islamic State of Iraq shall persist: “we are certain that Allah will not break the hearts of the embattled monotheists and turn us into the object of ridicule by the oppressors.” Yet, it does not seem as if the Islamic State in Iraq is about to make a comeback, especially since the Iraqi Sunnis that it claimed to be fighting on behalf of, and to whom its laurels shall accrue in victory, seem to have irreversibly turned against it. So could it be, after all the blood, treasure and prayers that went into the Islamic State of Iraq, that Allah too had turned His back on the jihadists?
Somalia, Sudan, Zimbabwe and Chad not in good company.
But Bridget, had there been no war in Iraq there would have been no Islamic State of Iraq to begin with.
The war was what gave foreign Jihadists a chance to enter Iraq (apart from some pre-existing small bases in the kurdish controlled region) and feed on the local repulsion against your invasion and recruit followers.
I wasn't denying it's a good thing that Sunnis in Iraq have finally cut the ties to AQI or stopped looking the other way with regards to them, I was saying it would've been better had AQI not been established in the first place.
My question wasn't about this. It was about the wisdom in attacking Iraq which did not pose a threat when you were already involved in a fight in Afghanistan that was going rather well but wasn't finished as we clearly see now. I'm even setting aside the illegalality of the Iraq war for a moment and focusing on the smartness of it.
NO! Say it ain't so:
"Two years before the start of the Iraq war, the Bush administration was advised by oil industry executives and policy advisers that military action against Iraq may be a worthwhile solution to meet the United States’ increasing demand for Mideast oil. A study prepared by the James A. Baker Institute for Public Policy and the U.S. Council on Foreign Relations, at the request of Vice President Dick Cheney, concluded that as long as Saddam Hussein remained in power the United States would remain “a prisoner of its energy dilemma.”"
http://www.afterdowningstreet.or....org/node/
34479
NO! Say it ain't so:
"As the Iraqi regime formally opened the bidding for foreign oil companies to resume exploitation of the country’s oil wealth, it was revealed that US “advisers” played the leading role in drafting the contracting procedures and steering preferential deals to the big US energy conglomerates. “A group of American advisers led by a small State Department team played an integral part in drawing up contracts between the Iraqi government and five Western oil companies to develop some of the largest fields in Iraq,” the New York Times reported Monday."
http://rinf.com/alt-news/contrib...ern-firms/4017/
Well, I guess that puts to rest the War-for-oil argument.
"Caught off guard by recent Iraqi military operations, the United States is using spy satellites that ordinarily are trained on adversaries to monitor the movements of the US-backed Iraqi Army, according to current and former US officials. [But why on earth would the US spy on the LOYAL ISF?] The stepped up surveillance reflects breakdowns in trust and coordination between the two forces."
http://www.boston.com/news/world...tch_iraqi_army/
(Iraqis are only "good" for as long as they obey the US. Otherwise, they are "bad people" and terrorists. It would be good for the health of the puppets to remember this.)
"Iraq's foreign minister [Hoshyar Zebari] says the country has little choice but to sign a new security agreement with the U.S. that would let American troops stay in the country after a U.N. mandate expires."
http://wiredispatch.com/news/?id=234452
Saddam and the People Shredder: More warmonger lies:
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/
pu...cle_27395.shtml
Iranian chest-beating:
http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_...t/
JG02Ak03.html
[bruno] "Do YOU support ISF that try and smash the Americans? Why not?"
[rhus]"No, because they are acting against their elected government's wishes"
1: Elections under occupation are illegitimate. Ask GW Bush.
2: The man the Iraqis in any case "elected" was vetoed by the USA.
3: The "elected government" is acting against the wishes of the Iraqi population, which we all know through poll after poll. Those wishes are to get rid of the occupation and to eject the American invader.
[rhus] "the UNSC mandate authorizing our presence"
... (1) the same UN and UNSC that the US wiped its arse on BEFORE the war! I think that the Iraqi resistance can be excused for wiping its arse today on the very same people that turned a blind eye to American war crimes. And in any case, (2) the US has been flouting virtually every provision within the said UNSC mandate. Isn't one of the key warmonger arguments about invading Iraq that Saddam was supposedly flouting UN resolutions and that that made them null and void? Enjoy your own 'sides' twisted logic back at ya.
[rhus] (does AQ have one? Why not?)
Because AQ isn't a world superpower able to bully people into accepting its will.
[rhus] "and strong majorities of Iraqi people who want our help to smash AQ, train ISF, help the GoI to get stronger, and
... and 80% of which oppose the Occupation and 99% of which oppose permanent bases. yes, we heard these arguments before. Maybe they want the ISF stronger so as to be able to EJECT the US? Ever think of that? Well, the US HAS, since it is now tracking ISF movements via spy satellite, and since it still maintains its own seperate Iraqi spy agency accountable to the CIA.
[rhus] "oppose such attacks on our troops."
... not because they love you or any other such retarded nonsense, but because fighting the invader causes havoc with their towns and country. Besides, if you take the Kurds out of the equation, who hardly consider themselves "Iraqi" anyway, I think you'll see that a majority of the ARABS di indeed support attacks on the US occupier.
[bruno] "I think the Americans should get the fuck out,..."
[rhus] "Don't you think our troops ought to help the ISF flush AQ out of places like Lake Tharthar?"
No, I don't I think the US troops should go BACK to the US and act as a magnet to draw all the cross-eyed radicals TO THE US. Then you can be your OWN flypaper.
[rhus] "A strong majority of Iraqis think so. Why do you disagree?"
1: Iraqis themselves chased out AQ in the first place
2: A strong majority of Iraqis want you the fuck out
3: A strong majority of Iraqis think that the US does not help the security situation.
4: America's ridiculous 'flypaper theory' should be applied to America.
To finish this off, I have to make a small note on Rhus' "debating" tactics, which are essentially to ignore any sticky questions directed at himself and to focus on his own tack, wherein he tries to unfold his own twisted reality on us. At the moment I have no problem with that, since his argument is based on unsound ground, but things may well change.
Maybe we should revisit the question of whether the ISF should protect Iraqis against US aggression.
Maybe we should revisit the question of whether Iraqis in general have the right to defend themselves against US aggression.
Maybe we should reconsider the actual state of Iraqi sovereignty in the light of no Iraqi being safe from US aggression, and the implications of, say, Maliki's own cousin being killed (murdered) by Americans in a zone supposedly under "Iraqi control".
That would be fun.
What questions am I avoiding, Herr Bruno?
How many people did your beloved "Resistance" kill today?
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Josef 'The Bruno' Goebbels: "1: Elections under occupation are illegitimate. Ask GW Bush."
Iraq was not occupied when it held its elections. Are there any countries who do not recognize the elected GoI as the government of Iraq? Do any governments claim the GoI are illegitimate? Seriously, I'd like to know.
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Josef 'The Bruno' Goebbels: "Because AQ isn't a world superpower able to bully people into accepting its will."
So why did we not get a UN resolution before the war authorizing the use of force?
Why no Oil Law yet with irredeemably eeeeeeevil PSAs? Why is the SOFA being negotiated and not dictated to them? Why wait four years under UNSC mandates before getting a SOFA to begin with, if we coulda just bullied them into accepting our terms earlier?
So many questions, Herr Bruno. Which ones will you dodge?
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Josef 'The Bruno' Goebbels: "(1) the same UN and UNSC that the US wiped its arse on BEFORE the war! I think that the Iraqi resistance can be excused for wiping its arse today on the very same people that turned a blind eye to American war crimes."
False. But even if true, does US non-compliance with any laws of war excuse the "Resistance" from compliance with the laws of war?
Josef 'The Bruno' Goebbels: "(2) the US has been flouting virtually every provision within the said UNSC mandate."
Which provisions, specifically?
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Herr Bruno, please: How many people did your beloved "Resistance" kill today? Can you just go count them and tell me which were "Resistance"?
Like, obviously the Sahwa Iraqi who was bombed was a traitor & stool pigeon, so put him in the "Yay" cull column. But what about the followup bombing of his funeral? That's surely a "Yay" cull, too, right? I mean, those pesky Sahwa keep getting in the way of the true patriots' work in places like Lake Tharthar.
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[rhus] "Iraq was not occupied when it held its elections."
Yes, it was. It still is.
"Because AQ isn't a world superpower able to bully people into accepting its will."
[rhus] So why did we not get a UN resolution before the war authorizing the use of
force?"
Because quite simply, despite the immense US pressure, lies and propaganda, the UNSC was not convinced that Iraq was either sufficient a threat or unable to be controlled via civilised means. And rightly so, as it turns out.
[rhus] "Why no Oil Law yet with irredeemably eeeeeeevil PSAs?"
Because of Iraqi resistance to US designs.
[rhus] "Why is the SOFA being negotiated and not dictated to them?"
Some negotiations! 99% of Iraqis oppose permanent bases, yet the US insists on them. Negotiations with a puppet government which is wholly dependent on US force to remain in power, which is under a uS-maintained arms embargo, which is under economic threat of funds freezing, whose PM had his cousin murdered inside a supposedly Iraqi controlled area as some sort of macabre mafia-like 'message' does NOT constitute what anybody would term "negotiations".
[rhus] "Why wait four years under UNSC mandates before getting a SOFA to begin with,
if we coulda just bullied them into accepting our terms earlier?"
1: What US terms have the Iraqis NOT accepted till now?
2: What Iraqi demands which clash with US interests has the US NOT ignored? MEK?
Remember?
3: The veneer of legitimacy is important for the US. Hence the SOFA
[bruno] "the same UN and UNSC that the US wiped its arse on BEFORE the war! I think
that the Iraqi resistance can be excused for wiping its arse today on the very same
people that turned a blind eye to American war crimes."
[rhus] False.
Are you asserting that an aggressive unauthorised war is NOT a war crime? Seriously?
[rhus] "But even if true, does US non-compliance with any laws of war excuse the
"Resistance" from compliance with the laws of war?"
It establishes the principle of what is good for the goose is good for the gander. If
the US doesn't want to "play fair" why should anybody else? Especially since YOU
started it and YOU continue to occupy Iraq.
[bruno] "the US has been flouting virtually every provision within the said UNSC
mandate."
[rhus] "Which provisions, specifically?"
This could take a long time. Are you SURE you want to go there?
[rhus] "How many people did your beloved "Resistance" kill today?"
Gee, I dunno, Rhus. All I see is a bunch of bombs, some of which could be resistance, some of which could be AQ (American-paid or otherwise), some of which are by Americans and some of which could be miscellaneous criminal violence. I know, it's hardly enough to sate the bloodlust of one such as yourself, but you'll have to make do.
[rhus] "What questions am I avoiding, Herr Bruno?"
Take for example the question of whether Iraqis have the right to defend themselves against US aggression.
You danced and danced and danced the night away on that, yet somehow could never come down to brass tacks and say "if an Iraqi is the target of American violence in Iraq, he has the right to defend himself with violence of his own". Somehow, you could only "condemn" Innocent Iraqis being "tragically" killed by US forces. But according to you, if Iraqis fight back, they are "terrorists or rogue militias".
Right, Rhus?
If Zeydun had defended himself against his American murderers, the night he was murdered, would he have been a "terrorist" or "rogue militia"?
You never did get around to answering that, did you?
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More of RhuslanCIA's allies, to the rescue, I see.
American veterans talk about their team spirit:
"As terrible as this might sound, whenever someone asks me about enlisting, I'm tempted to encourage them. I figure that the more people who enlist, the slimmer the chances that I'll get called back up. But of course this is ridiculous: No one in their right mind would enlist now, whereas I've already signed the papers. I'm now going back to Iraq for a second time because people like me - existing service members - are the only people at the Army's disposal."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/ar.../
ED3J10IGLO.DTL
Bruno, that last article was written by Colby Buzzell who wrote "My War" and who blogs at cbftw.blogspot.com.
I actually read his book, My War, and it was quite informative and had an honest feel to it.
So he will be sent back then. Perhaps someone at the Pentagon really liked his book and wanted to help inspire a sequel.
Thanks for the info, Marcus. What he says in that article doesn't exactly sound like scripted DoD - speak. I'd imagine the ideal CENTCOM soldier would sound something like Anand.
Here is something of interest. It appears the Mahdi Army is being reorganised:
The leader of the Sadr movement, Muqtada al Sadr, announced more than two weeks ago that a specialised armed group would be set up to carry out guerrilla attacks on American troops. The rest of the movement’s Mahdi Army militia – thought to number about 100,000 – were to put down their weapons and concentrate on political and spiritual resistance to the US presence in Iraq, he said. Little is known about the force and it will remain highly secretive so that its fighters can evade capture by either the American military or Iraqi government forces.
http://www.thenational.ae/articl...3703575/-1/
NEWS
B"ut Bridget, had there been no war in Iraq there would have been no Islamic State of Iraq to begin with.
The war was what gave foreign Jihadists a chance to enter Iraq (apart from some pre-existing small bases in the kurdish controlled region) and feed on the local repulsion against your invasion and recruit followers."
One word Marcus....Pakistan.
AQ wants it's caliphate and it's not going to stop trying. It seeks targets of opportunity and at the moment that target is Pakistan, which has no oil but does have nukes, which are just as good for AQ purposes.
I have always maintained that it was just a matter of time before they had a go at Iraq, most likely in the chaos following Saddam's death. I have read of Shia groups backed by Iran also having been formed to foment resistance in Iraq at the first opportunity.
Of course, Saudi is the big prize. They'll go after it one day as well. Count on it.
So anyway, Marcus, you asked me if I think Iraq has made the world safer from terrorism. The answer is that I think Iraq has turned out to be the beginning of a long, multifaceted, global effort against expansionist Islamic fundamentalism. We won't any of us, including Europe, India, China and Russia, be safe from terrorism until we unite to defeat it. And I think that may begin to happen in Pakistan in the not too distant future.
"I have always maintained that it was just a matter of time before they had a go at Iraq"
No doubt, Bridget. But up till the invasion they were being kept out.
"I have read of Shia groups backed by Iran also having been formed to foment resistance in Iraq at the first opportunity."
Dawa and SCIRI. Yep, we know about those, too. Their terror campaign was none too successful before the war.
Yes, yes, yes! That was precisely my point Bridget.
The big danger is in Pakistan. Nuclear weapons, a shady security service, a rather unstable government, no-go areas under de facto militant islamic control, a Taliban staging area for cross border attacks into Afghanistan and an Al Qaeda sanctuary.
Confronting this threat is extremely important. Here are the people that attacked you on 9/11 and they are re-organising and probably plotting or preparing to attack you and other western targets again.
So why do you condone diverting a clear majority of your strength to fight in Iraq, making a complete mess of the country, losing tens of thousands of your troops to death and injury, killing loads of Iraqis and creating a living hell for many of those left alive, when Iraq was not a threat at all to you.
What should we do about Pakistan, Marcus?
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[bridget] "The answer is that I think Iraq has turned out to be the beginning of a long, multifaceted, global effort against expansionist Islamic fundamentalism."
Really, what else is there to say?
One could, I suppose, point out how the American invasion of Iraq has fulfilled the "radical Islamic" predictions of US aggression against Islam and how the likely expression of Muslims to new or continued US aggression would be new violence over a broader front.
One could argue, I suppose, that the strategy espoused by Bridget is likely to make Al Qaedist views mainstream Muslim opinion instead of fringe opinion.
One could, I suppose, point out that our very own host Zeyad who is hardly anybody's depiction of an anti-American jihadi, (and in fact was an example of the very secular, pro-West Iraqi that everybody was hoping would take the reins in Iraq) has become a critic of America since the disaster that was visited upon his country.
I suppose that one could even point out the futility of picking a "multifaceted war" with over a billion people, a war which indeed threatens to spill over into Iran and Pakistan ... while the US can not even handle the conflict which it IS faced with.
On the other hand.
On the other hand, is there a POINT in presenting lucid arguments to somebody who does not seem to have progressed beyond the 2003 "watch out for the Islamofascists" mentality?
I leave you therefore with an appropriate article, which plumbs the depths of the ignorance of the average American (on American issues):
http://www.alternet.org/democrac...y/90161/?
page=1
There is no hope.
[Marcus] "So why do you condone diverting a clear majority of your strength to fight in Iraq"
Excellent point. The same one that has been made since 2003.
See, they want to draw all the terrorists to Iraq, Marcus, where they can recruit them into local militias, which they will later double cross and fight again.
It's a very strategic, cunning plan, Marcus.
It may sound like nonsense to us, but in La-La land aka CENTCOM and the Neocons, it makes sense.
Me: "Iraq was not occupied when it held its elections."
Josef 'The Bruno' Goebbels: "Yes, it was. It still is."
Your decree doesn't count. Legally, they were/aren't occupied. Have you come up with any other countries who do not recognize the GoI as the legitimate government of Iraq?
Josef 'The Bruno' Goebbels: "Because of Iraqi resistance to US designs. "
I thought you said they were puppets?
Josef 'The Bruno' Goebbels: "Some negotiations! "
Uhhh... well.... yeah. They are negotiating. That was my point.
Josef 'The Bruno' Goebbels: "Are you asserting that an aggressive unauthorised war is NOT a war crime? Seriously?"
Where's the UNSC resolution declaring that's what Iraq was/is? Has any other legal action been brought against the US declaring the war an aggressive war crime? Is the US under any official sanctions? Your decree doesn't count.
Josef 'The Bruno' Goebbels: "It establishes the principle of what is good for the goose is good for the gander. If the US doesn't want to "play fair" why should anybody else? Especially since YOU started it and YOU continue to occupy Iraq."
Your decree doesn't count. I would like to know if, legally, either sides' noncompliance with the laws of war excuses the other side from complying. This is a simple question, and you know the answer. Dance, Herr Bruno, daaaance!
Josef 'The Bruno' Goebbels: "This could take a long time. Are you SURE you want to go there?"
Yes please.
Josef 'The Bruno' Goebbels: "Gee, I dunno, Rhus."
So there were no clear acts of "Resistance" in Iraq yesterday? Just bombings that may be terrorist or criminal? Don't you think the ISF should work to end those? And if they'd like US help to do so... ??
Josef 'The Bruno' Goebbels: "If Zeydun had defended himself against his American murderers, the night he was murdered, would he have been a "terrorist" or "rogue militia"?
I don't know when he would have had the chance to defend himself, Herr Bruno.
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Did you catch this one Herr Bruno? Ballgazer? Um Ayad?
Sunni Bloc to Rejoin Government
BAGHDAD, July 1 -- Iraq's main Sunni Muslim political bloc is on the verge of rejoining the Shiite-led government after a nearly year-long boycott, a step widely seen as vital to reconciliation after years of sectarian conflict.
Sunni leaders said Tuesday they had submitted the names of candidates to fill at least five cabinet posts as well as the position of deputy prime minister to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. Iraqi government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said Maliki plans to put the six names to a parliamentary vote as early as next week.
Welcome back, illegitimate puppets*!
* according to Herr Bruno
What should we do about Pakistan, Marcus?
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RhusLancia | Homepage | 07.02.08 - 9:45 am | #
... I'd like to hear the answer to that one too.
[rhus]"Iraq was not occupied when it held its elections."
[bruno]"Yes, it was. It still is."
[rhus] "Your decree doesn't count."
Sure it does. I mean, if GWB can rule by decree on which elections are or are not legitimate by
decree and by virtue of a country being occupied by foreign troops - Lebanon being occupied by
Syria, in this case - then so can I. Let's revisit this scenario:
This, according to the US, is occupation and elections under such conditions unacceptable:
"'Syria has been an occupying force in Lebanon for nearly three decades, and Syria's support for
terrorism remains a key obstacle to peace in the broader Middle East,'' Mr. Bush said, escalating
a weeklong campaign to pressure the Assad government. ''Today, America and Europe are standing
together with the Lebanese people,'' he said, citing the Security Council resolution, which he
said requires that ''all foreign forces be withdrawn, and that free and fair elections be
conducted without foreign influence.'' [...] ''How fair an election can Lebanon hold if the
troops are there to intimidate voters, people running for election, or people now in office?''"
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/
ful...750C0A9639C8B63
"President Bush told Lebanese majority leader Hariri that he expects Syria to stay out of the
Lebanese parliament's search for a new president. "I am deeply concerned about foreign
interference in your elections," he said. "The message has been sent to nations such as Syria
that they should not interfere in the election of the president."
http://www.voanews.com/english/
a...FTOKEN=36986034
This, on the other hand, is perfectly OK:
"Zalmay Khalilzad said President George W Bush "doesn't want, doesn't support, doesn't accept"
the retention of Mr Jaafari [as PM], Rida Jawad al-Takki said."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/
4855210.stm
[bruno] "Some negotiations! "
[rhus] "Uhhh... well.... yeah. They are negotiating."
... the same way as an armed robber 'negotiates' with his victim.
[bruno] ""Are you asserting that an aggressive unauthorised war is NOT a war crime? Seriously?""
[rhus] "Where's the UNSC resolution declaring that's what Iraq was/is?"
Translation of what RhuslanCIA is saying: I know damn well the war was illegal and a war crime, and am resorting to deceptive reasoning and sophistry in order to make my case.
According to Rhus, see, a lawbreaker is not a lawbreaker unless he is apprehended and specifically charged with the crime. In Rhus' world, so long as one can GET AWAY with the crime, then it is not, and never was a crime. In fact it was legal all along. In Rhus' world, somebody who (for the sake of argument) has raped and killed a hundred women is NOT a rapist or murderer ... UNTIL he is caught and charged and convicted with the crime. Until then, what he does is legal.
Crazy?
That's precisely the reasoning behind US foreign policy: might makes right.
For those that are actually interested in what constitutes a war crime (by America's own standards) and what actually is legal or illegal (by America's own standards), I refer to the following:
"The International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, which followed World War II, called the waging of aggressive war "essentially an evil thing...to initiate a war of aggression...is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime, differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole."
http://www.smso.net/Crime_of_aggression
"All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations."
http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/
[rhus] "I would like to know if, legally, either sides' noncompliance with the laws of war excuses the other side from complying. This is a simple question, and you know the answer."
Of course I know the answer. No it does not.
On the other hand, poking somebody in the eye and then acting outraged when they return the favour is hardly being intelligent, or fair-minded.
But isn't that the US argument? Dismissing the UN as useless and irrelevant and that because of Saddam's "breaches" of UN agreements that it was therefore entitled to break the law in the first place? As the INVADER the onus is on America to leave Iraq, and to halt the crime which IT started.
[bruno] "If Zeydun had defended himself against his American murderers, the night he was murdered, would he have been a "terrorist" or "rogue militia"?
[rhus] "I don't know when he would have had the chance to defend himself, Herr Bruno."
That's not the point.
The point is: did he, according to you, have the right to defend his life against US violence with violence of his own?
This is about right and wrong.
Not about ability or lack thereof.
"suppose that one could even point out the futility of picking a "multifaceted war" with over a billion people"
I said Islamic fundamentalists, Bruno, not muslims. And they are the ones picking the fight.
"The big danger is in Pakistan. Nuclear weapons, a shady security service, a rather unstable government, no-go areas under de facto militant islamic control, a Taliban staging area for cross border attacks into Afghanistan and an Al Qaeda sanctuary.
Confronting this threat is extremely important."
So, hop on it, Europe. You too, India. We've got our hands full at the moment.
"So why do you condone diverting a clear majority of your strength to fight in Iraq,"
Global, multifaceted, long lasting. They've been defeated in Iraq. It's time to finish building up the ISF, support the popularly elected government of Iraq, and withdraw and prepare for whatever comes next.
"On the other hand, is there a POINT in presenting lucid arguments to somebody who does not seem to have progressed beyond the 2003 "watch out for the Islamofascists" mentality?'
Are you referring to me, Bruno, or to Marcus, who seems to agree with me about Pakistan?
What should we do about Pakistan, Marcus?
RhusLancia | Homepage | 07.02.08 - 9:45 am | #
... I'd like to hear the answer to that one too.
PeteS | 07.02.08 - 11:00 am | #
Pakistanis are Muslims. They are therefore enemies of the civilized world, including America.
What must we do?
The answer is obvious:
Kill them.
Kill them all.
Kill them now.
I mean I'd like to hear an answer from Marcus ... not some crazed drongo.
Bruno said: "[bridget] "The answer is that I think Iraq has turned out to be the beginning of a long, multifaceted, global effort against expansionist Islamic fundamentalism."
Really, what else is there to say?"
Plenty. But don't take my word for it. These are some of the ideas developed by al Qaeda's chief theoretician, Sheik Abu-Bakar Naji, in his new book "Governance in the Wilderness" (Edarat al-Wahsh).
I know how irritating it is for you when somebody has the temerity to translate what these guys write and then publish it for the edification of the rest of us, but here is Amir Teheri’s take on the book:
"Instead, he (Naji) says, the Islamic movement must be global - fighting everywhere, all the time, and on all fronts."
"Now Naji takes that analysis a step further - suggesting that low-intensity war be extended to anywhere in the world with a significant Muslim presence.
"Islamists in the "wilderness" must create parallel societies alongside existing ones, Naji says - but not set up formal governments, which would be subject to economic pressure or military attack."
Take note Rowan Williams:
"But they could also take shape in Western countries with large Muslim minorities: The jihadis are to begin by giving areas where Muslims live a distinctly Islamic appearance, by imposing special styles of dress for women and beards for men. Then they start imposing the shariah. In the final phase, they create a parallel system of taxation and law enforcement, effectively taking the areas out of government control."
"He identifies several Muslim countries as promising for establishing "the governance of the wilderness": Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Yemen, Turkey, Jordan, Libya, Tunisia and Morocco.”
Bruno, you scoffed at the Zarqawi letter even as his strategy unfolded and almost succeeded before your very eyes, so I guess you won’t take this one at his word either. But I do. And I start connecting the dots when I see the strategy unfolding on the international news.
Take note Rowan Williams
Williams is, unfortunately, going to reap the rewards of his softly-softly approach on a host of theological and social issues.
On the particular subject of the integration of Muslims, his mistake is perhaps to ignore how the European state has usurped the role of religion in general.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2008...ion/
edpabst.php
Is Um Ayad Dead?
I am sure that most people have noticed that the vile pervert Um Ayad has not slimed these comment threads for several days. Such silence is quite uncharacteristic of that hater of Jews and Americans.
Is it possible that Satan has called her home and that she now resides for all eternity in a pit full of boiling excrement in the deepest reaches of Hell?
Although I have been praying and fasting fervently, our Lord and Savior has not yet granted me a vision of Um Ayad in Hell.
I shall continue to pray and fast, but I ask all true Christians to pray with me that, if she still lives, Um Ayad be cast forthwith into the Pit.
God's will be done.
Praise Jesus!
I'm cheering for you guys! Things are looking up and hopefully the world will be a better place in the next couple of years.
Very unfortunate, Fascinating hearing it so real.
Yep, its ridiculous isn't it? I agree with most of what your saying in this post. I was there for the surge, and the only thing it did was drive people from their homes, create more casualties on both sides, and put Iraq as a whole in a very fragile situation.
Thank you for all
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